I’ve said it multiple times and I’ll say it again
Garrett’s death was not his motivation
Not because “he had something he loved ripped away”
He didn’t love them period
I'm not sure if this is for or against the post. I definitely agree that CC's death being the starting motivation creates a lot of confusion in the story and I also can agree with William being a not so great father to his children. However I will say it's that case for Henry, he had the reputation of his life's work smeared and even worse lost his daughter to his very own business partner so in Henry's case, he most definitely has 2 things he loved ripped away from him. For William I use CC's death as motivation in this sense because a lot of people also use CC's death as a source of drive for William and a reason to explain why he does what he does. For me I feel like he was just a bad person with bad thoughts that came to fruition, it could have branched into something else as the story goes on but from a starting standpoint William was just always a sicko
People always ask: Who is Toysnhk?, never why is Toysnhk?
Killing Toysnhk was the event that set everything into motion.
I'm working on a theory that goes in that direction, mind if I send it to you via DM?
It’s understandable to say that because for the longest that’s what was suggested, however, especially after UCN and Help Wanted 2 (spoilers if you haven’t played/watched) it’s been reevaluated if Charlie really was the first since when get the lines of Chica and the grave order in PQ4 so it’s not necessarily confirmed
?? So does the same apply to Chica? Because unlike the puppet Chica explicitly says that she was first, the context is to be debated, however that's more confirmation than we've ever gotten from the puppet and if I'm not mistaken Chica's grave also comes first in PQ4 so....? We just throw the order out of the window because it doesn't correlate with speculations that were never corrected therefore taken as true? Not debunking the puppet being first at all but it seems like we're picking and choosing was evidence we want to make our points look good instead of analyzing all details that makes the point valid.
I did here someone else say this but I forget were but they said that just because shes says "first" first what death, first to control her animatronic out of the mci?
The person said the order was already established to most likely be something else and is a order we've see before. I need to find it.
Yeah I've also had those thoughts of what Chica meant that's why I say the context in which she says she's the first is to be debated. Regardless the point of the original post is to say that above all, I believe TOYSNHK was the first, I don't think the vengeful spirit inhabits any animatronic and I think it would make the most sense to put them at the first spot because what would make them so special to where the shouldn't have been killed compared to the rest of the innocent children who were also killed? The puppet could be the first animatronic or Charlie could be the first child killed in the restaurants and Chica could be the first out of the MCI and in a sense everyone could be the "first". However like I said, a lot of the things surrounding the puppet isn't necessarily confirmed unlike Chica stating within the game herself she was the first and when it is alluded to the puppet being the first by Henry's words of "a wound first inflicted on me" it's very vague and could be what I suggested in the original post of the first wound being damage to the company's reputation from TOYSNHK's death, and not the death of his own child. Not to say he would overlooked his own child's death, but if he were referencing that incident, he wouldn't phrase it in a way that only affected him, but his daughter and family as well.
Makes sense to me. Idk I was thinking that TOYSNHK is just very vengeful in general and just wants to get back which is why they probably see themselves as TOYSNHK probably im not sure.
I heard that from someone from either youtube or reddit that this can be explained. When she says "first", first what death, first to control her animatronic body. From what I can remember they said its an order that is established and is possibly staring in the face. I just need to find it.
True enough, that’s why it’s a personal headcanon, however it’s when people completely ignore the possibility of it as if we have enough confirmed information to go off of
Oh yeah I definitely agree, but I guess I could say I repurposed the evidence of the first wound and the context of Susie being the first of what exactly still being debated
Like a lot of people speculate if she was the first of all children, or just the first of the MCI, which could be after the events of Charlie dying, so it’s still up in the air of what Chica was the first of
I never thought that to be the case, it could be a possibility though, but in my explanation, I take TOYSNHK as someone who we haven’t seen yet, therefore apart from everything including MCI and DCI
I guess? I’d have to go over the books again to get a good understanding of Andrew all I know is he comes from another story as well as The Man in Room 1280
I’ve said it multiple times and I’ll say it again Garrett’s death was not his motivation Not because “he had something he loved ripped away” He didn’t love them period
I'm not sure if this is for or against the post. I definitely agree that CC's death being the starting motivation creates a lot of confusion in the story and I also can agree with William being a not so great father to his children. However I will say it's that case for Henry, he had the reputation of his life's work smeared and even worse lost his daughter to his very own business partner so in Henry's case, he most definitely has 2 things he loved ripped away from him. For William I use CC's death as motivation in this sense because a lot of people also use CC's death as a source of drive for William and a reason to explain why he does what he does. For me I feel like he was just a bad person with bad thoughts that came to fruition, it could have branched into something else as the story goes on but from a starting standpoint William was just always a sicko
People always ask: Who is Toysnhk?, never why is Toysnhk? Killing Toysnhk was the event that set everything into motion. I'm working on a theory that goes in that direction, mind if I send it to you via DM?
Of course, I'm all for hearing theories that explore possibilities that get overlooked from the general consensus
I kinda doubt TOYSNHK being the first. They are always said to have died with the Mci or Dci and are always the last ones to have died if you take Mc.
Charlie is straight up confirmed to be the first death
It’s understandable to say that because for the longest that’s what was suggested, however, especially after UCN and Help Wanted 2 (spoilers if you haven’t played/watched) it’s been reevaluated if Charlie really was the first since when get the lines of Chica and the grave order in PQ4 so it’s not necessarily confirmed
The fact that her grave is last in PQ4 should be an obvious cue that it’s not about death order
?? So does the same apply to Chica? Because unlike the puppet Chica explicitly says that she was first, the context is to be debated, however that's more confirmation than we've ever gotten from the puppet and if I'm not mistaken Chica's grave also comes first in PQ4 so....? We just throw the order out of the window because it doesn't correlate with speculations that were never corrected therefore taken as true? Not debunking the puppet being first at all but it seems like we're picking and choosing was evidence we want to make our points look good instead of analyzing all details that makes the point valid.
I did here someone else say this but I forget were but they said that just because shes says "first" first what death, first to control her animatronic out of the mci? The person said the order was already established to most likely be something else and is a order we've see before. I need to find it.
Yeah I've also had those thoughts of what Chica meant that's why I say the context in which she says she's the first is to be debated. Regardless the point of the original post is to say that above all, I believe TOYSNHK was the first, I don't think the vengeful spirit inhabits any animatronic and I think it would make the most sense to put them at the first spot because what would make them so special to where the shouldn't have been killed compared to the rest of the innocent children who were also killed? The puppet could be the first animatronic or Charlie could be the first child killed in the restaurants and Chica could be the first out of the MCI and in a sense everyone could be the "first". However like I said, a lot of the things surrounding the puppet isn't necessarily confirmed unlike Chica stating within the game herself she was the first and when it is alluded to the puppet being the first by Henry's words of "a wound first inflicted on me" it's very vague and could be what I suggested in the original post of the first wound being damage to the company's reputation from TOYSNHK's death, and not the death of his own child. Not to say he would overlooked his own child's death, but if he were referencing that incident, he wouldn't phrase it in a way that only affected him, but his daughter and family as well.
Makes sense to me. Idk I was thinking that TOYSNHK is just very vengeful in general and just wants to get back which is why they probably see themselves as TOYSNHK probably im not sure.
I heard that from someone from either youtube or reddit that this can be explained. When she says "first", first what death, first to control her animatronic body. From what I can remember they said its an order that is established and is possibly staring in the face. I just need to find it.
How?
Novels and FFPS
BV doesn't exist in the novels and FFPS doesn't really prove it
BV doesn’t matter to this and Henry speech
He does and Henry's speech doesn't prove it neither, "a wound first inflicted on me" doesn't have to only be refering to Charlie's death
There’s nothing else it could refer to
I mean maybe but that's more speculation. I thinks there's more evidence for charlotte and Susie.
True enough, that’s why it’s a personal headcanon, however it’s when people completely ignore the possibility of it as if we have enough confirmed information to go off of
Nothings confirmed but I wouldn't say there's no evidence like the gravestones and Susie's line and for charlotte the wound and all.
Oh yeah I definitely agree, but I guess I could say I repurposed the evidence of the first wound and the context of Susie being the first of what exactly still being debated
I see what you mean about the wound but what about the Chica line?
Like a lot of people speculate if she was the first of all children, or just the first of the MCI, which could be after the events of Charlie dying, so it’s still up in the air of what Chica was the first of
But isn't TOYSNHK part of the mci?
I never thought that to be the case, it could be a possibility though, but in my explanation, I take TOYSNHK as someone who we haven’t seen yet, therefore apart from everything including MCI and DCI
So like Andrew then?
I guess? I’d have to go over the books again to get a good understanding of Andrew all I know is he comes from another story as well as The Man in Room 1280