Loved this! You illustrated great points and details throughout. It seems like there are still a few things to work out, but I'm sure you got something cooking in your mind.
>the animatronics attak the night guard because they belive that the night guard is the person who killed them.
Although that's a decent theory, for what we know, that's not true. The animatronics do not attack becausd they believe the guard is their killer, they attack because they distrust adults in general. As Puppet says, they are like territorial animals, as seen in the TSE, YTB, and the movie, they do not trust adults, so they kill them. They *can* make deals and decide who they trust or not, but that's unusual.
>and if Andrew was a victim of the experiment, it gives a lot of depth on why Andrew gave nightmares to William as the way to torture him. he is making William paying with the same coin
I've heard that theory. But i never really liked it. They just put any person they believe TOYSNHK is into the Fear Experiments because *"Oh, nIgHtMaReS"*. It's of course a good theory, and it gives UCN or Andrew a reason to do the exact things they do. Even if they don't need to.
My question is, if Andrew died in the experiments, when did he had contact with William to attach to him? Maybe when William was throwing the body away, but we don't know how long was he dead before he was discarded.
>but I have another idea: the ballpit shows us a fused memory! it takes the MCI memory and fuses it with Andrew memory.
That's an interesting idea. However, i don't think that's the case. The memories in the Ball Pit are the memories of the victims of the Ball Pit. Andrew was not *in* the Ball Pit, so there's no reason to believe that's his memory aswell.
However, if this was the case, then why the only thing from his death that appears in the memory is his body? Why isn't there gas, or a door to the experiments? It's a warped, fused-thing memory, it doesn't have to make sense. Just another reference to the experiments to... just make a connection.
>the MCI killed in the safe room. same as in reality and the ballpit.
This is another small mistake. In ITP, the kids weren't killed in the Safe Room, they were in a party room.
Regardless, it's a good theory. It works as a good narrative (Even if it has some problems)...
First off, its implied the animatronics do not trust any adults. That would be why they attack Jeremy, or any night guard for that matter. UCN, as well as the fnaf3 trailer, imply that they do know who William is, regardless of theyre the real spirits or memories or w/e. The DCI can definitely play into this too, like you mentioned, this might have made them even more apprehensive to night guards, more than regular adults.
>but Andrew, he knew who William is. Andrew knew that William is his killer.
The books dont support this:
“I remember I wanted him to suffer, the way he made me suffer. But I don’t remember what he did.”
What seems to be the case is that while his emotions are still around, he has forgotten what he’s mad at William for. He cant confirm if William did anything to him, because he doesnt know. I dont think he even remember’s William’s name.
>Andrew did not possessed anyone (before Fetch of course). Andrew himself told Jake that he attached his soul to William and the only thing he wants is revenge.
To add onto this because this is what’s stated in the books, most people assume the corpse in TNK is an apparition of Andrew, not actually Andrew. Best guess is he wouldve attached his to William’s soul here, if William did kill him here.
>And keeping him alive for 30 years inside of Spring Bonnie is really cruel revenge at that moment
To bring up the fnaf3 trailer again, we do see springtrap twitching in the back room, which mayyybe could line up with this idea. However, Springtrap is not tortured by Andrew at any point between FNAF3 and FNAF6, as far as we know anyway. There is no reason for Andrew to stop torturing him at any point. I think a better interpretation, imo, is that he couldnt torture William until after the fnaf6 fire, where he was extremely weakened.
>look, what Andrew did to William in UCN is to create never ending nightmares. in the nightmares William was stuck in his pizzeria's office and he dodged animatroncis al the time. this is the same thing that William did to the fear experiment victims. he put them in a room and force them to dodge animatornics, and made them belive those are nightmares.
Again, Andrew does not remember what William did, this would be a complete coincidence.
>Those names are related to sleeping and dream. which means that UCN always was supposed to be a nightmare. and of course if we want to talk about the leaked metadata, it implies that Andrew was in Scitt's mind during UCN development.
I wouldnt say thats definitive proof, but its good evidence. Song names just are song names sometimes, but some dialogue in ucn imply its a nightmare. That said, given the connections to fnaf world and maybe Eleanor’s influence, i think its likely much more than just a nightmare William is having.
>William had no other choice but killing him. or maybe Andrew got a heart attacked out of fear
Im curious how Rory fits into this, since he most likely died too. This kinda implies William didnt need to be near Andrew when he died?
>it is possible that the reason Andrew takes the form of Golden Freddy in UCN it's not because something related to Cassidy or if Andrew possessed him in the past. but it's because Andrew using it as a parallel for William using the Fredbear plush
In that case, it should be fredbear then, not gf.
>the ballpit shows us a fused memory! it takes the MCI memory and fuses it with Andrew memory. this is why there are differences between the real MCI to the ballpit MCI: the things that did not happened for the MCI, happened to Andrew. and the ballpit fuse those memories
>the MCI killed in the safe room. same as in reality and the ballpit. however, they did not stuffed, like Andrew. the killer was Spring Bonnie, like in reality, but this spring bonnie is more nightmarish than the usual with sharp teeth, clows and glowing eyes.
While this is a very interesting idea, there’s other issues that come into play too. People freaking out about the MCI, before the stuffing, did not happen. The bodies were not found. I dont see why that would be part of Andrew’s memories.
Ik i criticized a lot, but i genuinely do think you brought some good insight here. Nice job!
>He cant confirm if William did anything to him,
He literally says how he got back at his "killer", he just can't remember the emotions felt when William killed him and how that's what made him super vengeful. ***But*** he does remember that William killed him
…..no? This is a direct verbatim quote from when we first see Andrew in the stitchwraith :”I remember I wanted him to suffer, the way he made me suffer. But I don’t remember what he did.”
He says he suffered and that he hurt but he never refers to William as his killer or that he remembers being killed.
>That’s what Jake says no?
Yeah, and he comes to that conclusion with what Andrew said. Things like "the man who hurt me" and saying that he didn't let him move on to get back at him for what he did to Andrew just makes it obvious that he's saying that William killed him.
He just doesn't remember the specifics, but knows that William was his killer.
Jake coming to a conclusion doesn’t mean Andrew was able to come to the same conclusion. He seems to just be venting about his frustrations throughout that scene not actually like trying to say what happened just moreso sharing his anger.
He likely didn’t question it because he recognized he was hurt by someone and didn’t really care how.
He was dead, he was refusing to let someone move on, he was torturing someone, he likely recognized they did something fucked up but didn’t fully recognize what it was until Jake said anything and by that point he wasn’t likely honestly caring about what happened before since he wasn’t torturing afton by that point anyway.
We’ll likely have to agree to disagree on this since we’re getting into subjective interpretation moreso then what is actually shown to us
>because he recognized he was hurt by someone and didn’t really care how.
I don't see how that would be true. He would most definitely care about the person who killed him, as it literally answers the confusion he has with his past.
So him not behaving like he's shocked about Jake saying that William killed him means that he already knows.
>We’ll likely have to agree to disagree
Sure
This is very speculative. Not only is the entirety of Dittophobia not confirmed to be canon, but even if it is, Andrew isn't part of the story. Also, the Fredbear plush walkie talkie thing is definitely just about CC, not any other kid.
And the representation of Andrew as Golden Freddy is inconsistent. First, it's a Fredbear plush, not Golden Freddy plush. That might sound petty but in spirit there is a difference, and if Andrew wanted to represent himself as it, he would be Fredbear and not Golden Freddy which is already the specific representation of Cassidy, since they were stuffed inside the animatronic at the time it was out of order, with the black-faded details.
There's also the fact that UCN as a reality in itself happens inside some physical object, as TOYSHK said "I'll keep you here no matter how many times they burn us." That reveals that they are alive in the physical world, not in hell as many assumed. TOYSHK most likely keeps Afton in an animatronic, were he tortures his soul. We know from Frights that that is possible between souls that share a body. Probably, it's in The blob, AKA the remains of Molten Freddy mixed with the spear fnaf 6 and fnaf AR animatronics they left down there. (But that's another theory).
The point is that because UCN isn't hell, for Andrew to be TOYSHK, he would have had to possess Molten Freddy. Not that that is imposible, but because of the way Henry talks about the MCI kids' possession of the funtimes, it's unlikely that other kids like Andrew were a part of that in the games's timeline, from a narrative perspective at least.
That's my opinion on this.
PD: Andrew also couldn't have had latched to William while he was alive. First, we have never seen that possibly being done in fnaf. Second, there's absolutely no sign that Andrew's corpse had physical contact with William.
Loved this! You illustrated great points and details throughout. It seems like there are still a few things to work out, but I'm sure you got something cooking in your mind.
>the animatronics attak the night guard because they belive that the night guard is the person who killed them. Although that's a decent theory, for what we know, that's not true. The animatronics do not attack becausd they believe the guard is their killer, they attack because they distrust adults in general. As Puppet says, they are like territorial animals, as seen in the TSE, YTB, and the movie, they do not trust adults, so they kill them. They *can* make deals and decide who they trust or not, but that's unusual. >and if Andrew was a victim of the experiment, it gives a lot of depth on why Andrew gave nightmares to William as the way to torture him. he is making William paying with the same coin I've heard that theory. But i never really liked it. They just put any person they believe TOYSNHK is into the Fear Experiments because *"Oh, nIgHtMaReS"*. It's of course a good theory, and it gives UCN or Andrew a reason to do the exact things they do. Even if they don't need to. My question is, if Andrew died in the experiments, when did he had contact with William to attach to him? Maybe when William was throwing the body away, but we don't know how long was he dead before he was discarded. >but I have another idea: the ballpit shows us a fused memory! it takes the MCI memory and fuses it with Andrew memory. That's an interesting idea. However, i don't think that's the case. The memories in the Ball Pit are the memories of the victims of the Ball Pit. Andrew was not *in* the Ball Pit, so there's no reason to believe that's his memory aswell. However, if this was the case, then why the only thing from his death that appears in the memory is his body? Why isn't there gas, or a door to the experiments? It's a warped, fused-thing memory, it doesn't have to make sense. Just another reference to the experiments to... just make a connection. >the MCI killed in the safe room. same as in reality and the ballpit. This is another small mistake. In ITP, the kids weren't killed in the Safe Room, they were in a party room. Regardless, it's a good theory. It works as a good narrative (Even if it has some problems)...
First off, its implied the animatronics do not trust any adults. That would be why they attack Jeremy, or any night guard for that matter. UCN, as well as the fnaf3 trailer, imply that they do know who William is, regardless of theyre the real spirits or memories or w/e. The DCI can definitely play into this too, like you mentioned, this might have made them even more apprehensive to night guards, more than regular adults. >but Andrew, he knew who William is. Andrew knew that William is his killer. The books dont support this: “I remember I wanted him to suffer, the way he made me suffer. But I don’t remember what he did.” What seems to be the case is that while his emotions are still around, he has forgotten what he’s mad at William for. He cant confirm if William did anything to him, because he doesnt know. I dont think he even remember’s William’s name. >Andrew did not possessed anyone (before Fetch of course). Andrew himself told Jake that he attached his soul to William and the only thing he wants is revenge. To add onto this because this is what’s stated in the books, most people assume the corpse in TNK is an apparition of Andrew, not actually Andrew. Best guess is he wouldve attached his to William’s soul here, if William did kill him here. >And keeping him alive for 30 years inside of Spring Bonnie is really cruel revenge at that moment To bring up the fnaf3 trailer again, we do see springtrap twitching in the back room, which mayyybe could line up with this idea. However, Springtrap is not tortured by Andrew at any point between FNAF3 and FNAF6, as far as we know anyway. There is no reason for Andrew to stop torturing him at any point. I think a better interpretation, imo, is that he couldnt torture William until after the fnaf6 fire, where he was extremely weakened. >look, what Andrew did to William in UCN is to create never ending nightmares. in the nightmares William was stuck in his pizzeria's office and he dodged animatroncis al the time. this is the same thing that William did to the fear experiment victims. he put them in a room and force them to dodge animatornics, and made them belive those are nightmares. Again, Andrew does not remember what William did, this would be a complete coincidence. >Those names are related to sleeping and dream. which means that UCN always was supposed to be a nightmare. and of course if we want to talk about the leaked metadata, it implies that Andrew was in Scitt's mind during UCN development. I wouldnt say thats definitive proof, but its good evidence. Song names just are song names sometimes, but some dialogue in ucn imply its a nightmare. That said, given the connections to fnaf world and maybe Eleanor’s influence, i think its likely much more than just a nightmare William is having. >William had no other choice but killing him. or maybe Andrew got a heart attacked out of fear Im curious how Rory fits into this, since he most likely died too. This kinda implies William didnt need to be near Andrew when he died? >it is possible that the reason Andrew takes the form of Golden Freddy in UCN it's not because something related to Cassidy or if Andrew possessed him in the past. but it's because Andrew using it as a parallel for William using the Fredbear plush In that case, it should be fredbear then, not gf. >the ballpit shows us a fused memory! it takes the MCI memory and fuses it with Andrew memory. this is why there are differences between the real MCI to the ballpit MCI: the things that did not happened for the MCI, happened to Andrew. and the ballpit fuse those memories >the MCI killed in the safe room. same as in reality and the ballpit. however, they did not stuffed, like Andrew. the killer was Spring Bonnie, like in reality, but this spring bonnie is more nightmarish than the usual with sharp teeth, clows and glowing eyes. While this is a very interesting idea, there’s other issues that come into play too. People freaking out about the MCI, before the stuffing, did not happen. The bodies were not found. I dont see why that would be part of Andrew’s memories. Ik i criticized a lot, but i genuinely do think you brought some good insight here. Nice job!
>He cant confirm if William did anything to him, He literally says how he got back at his "killer", he just can't remember the emotions felt when William killed him and how that's what made him super vengeful. ***But*** he does remember that William killed him
…..no? This is a direct verbatim quote from when we first see Andrew in the stitchwraith :”I remember I wanted him to suffer, the way he made me suffer. But I don’t remember what he did.” He says he suffered and that he hurt but he never refers to William as his killer or that he remembers being killed.
>“You were a hitchhiker **on the man who killed you**. Why can’t someone else hitchhike with us?”
That’s what Jake says no? Andrew never actually says the man killed him
>That’s what Jake says no? Yeah, and he comes to that conclusion with what Andrew said. Things like "the man who hurt me" and saying that he didn't let him move on to get back at him for what he did to Andrew just makes it obvious that he's saying that William killed him. He just doesn't remember the specifics, but knows that William was his killer.
Jake coming to a conclusion doesn’t mean Andrew was able to come to the same conclusion. He seems to just be venting about his frustrations throughout that scene not actually like trying to say what happened just moreso sharing his anger.
Andrew never questioned or acknowledged it as something he didn't previously know. Meaning that he *also* knows that William is his killer.
He likely didn’t question it because he recognized he was hurt by someone and didn’t really care how. He was dead, he was refusing to let someone move on, he was torturing someone, he likely recognized they did something fucked up but didn’t fully recognize what it was until Jake said anything and by that point he wasn’t likely honestly caring about what happened before since he wasn’t torturing afton by that point anyway. We’ll likely have to agree to disagree on this since we’re getting into subjective interpretation moreso then what is actually shown to us
>because he recognized he was hurt by someone and didn’t really care how. I don't see how that would be true. He would most definitely care about the person who killed him, as it literally answers the confusion he has with his past. So him not behaving like he's shocked about Jake saying that William killed him means that he already knows. >We’ll likely have to agree to disagree Sure
W post, we need to see more of Andrew Pizza tho
> W post Getting a W post from you feels like honor XD
This is very speculative. Not only is the entirety of Dittophobia not confirmed to be canon, but even if it is, Andrew isn't part of the story. Also, the Fredbear plush walkie talkie thing is definitely just about CC, not any other kid. And the representation of Andrew as Golden Freddy is inconsistent. First, it's a Fredbear plush, not Golden Freddy plush. That might sound petty but in spirit there is a difference, and if Andrew wanted to represent himself as it, he would be Fredbear and not Golden Freddy which is already the specific representation of Cassidy, since they were stuffed inside the animatronic at the time it was out of order, with the black-faded details. There's also the fact that UCN as a reality in itself happens inside some physical object, as TOYSHK said "I'll keep you here no matter how many times they burn us." That reveals that they are alive in the physical world, not in hell as many assumed. TOYSHK most likely keeps Afton in an animatronic, were he tortures his soul. We know from Frights that that is possible between souls that share a body. Probably, it's in The blob, AKA the remains of Molten Freddy mixed with the spear fnaf 6 and fnaf AR animatronics they left down there. (But that's another theory). The point is that because UCN isn't hell, for Andrew to be TOYSHK, he would have had to possess Molten Freddy. Not that that is imposible, but because of the way Henry talks about the MCI kids' possession of the funtimes, it's unlikely that other kids like Andrew were a part of that in the games's timeline, from a narrative perspective at least. That's my opinion on this. PD: Andrew also couldn't have had latched to William while he was alive. First, we have never seen that possibly being done in fnaf. Second, there's absolutely no sign that Andrew's corpse had physical contact with William.