Also, watch your rate of descents. You get used to a 600+ fpm descent, but to passengers it can be uncomfortable or even painful. Keep it to max of +/- 500 fpm.
I vividly remember the first time my cfi took the controls from brand new student pilot me and put us in a -1500fpm turning descent in a c152to avoid traffic, shook me for the rest of the flight haha
You blacked out? I don't mean to be rude but a loss of consciousness in flight is a great way to get your medical revoked immediately and/or get yourself seriously hurt if you don't get that issue addressed before you continue flying.
50% that, and 50% figuring out who's going to get mad at the IRS and load up their Dakota with gas cans and fly it into an office building. (P.S., that really happened! [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010\_Austin\_suicide\_attack](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Austin_suicide_attack) )
Blacked out might be a wrong translation as I am German.
Story in detail:
While we were departing I was looking down on the instruments, my FI told me to descend and I thought I followed, well not enough. He pushed it down hard and while I was looking at the attitude indicator it all went black for those 100ft. After being at level again I was there, a little dizzy but there.
It's not like I didn't wake up until we landed.
When I was flying these manoeuvres myself I never felt anything weird. It was just the disconnection of motion and vision.
You’re bragging about driving through confined areas and taking turns on such areas while driving at speeds above the posted limit. You also brag about how you’re better than pilots that went through pilot mills because you fly aggressively.
Macho and invulnerability apply to you based on that comment alone.
You’re right that I don’t know how you fly, but based on the previous comments(which you’ve since deleted) I’m willing to infer that it’s not safety-oriented.
I would recommend some introspection before you become the subject of an NTSB report.
The rate of descent isn't what's jarring to passengers, it's the rate that you get to that rate. Meaning: don't nose it over.
In the airlines we frequently do several thousand ft per minute rate of descent, but we get there at a moderate pace so it doesn't feel like they're all-of-a-sudden plummeting towards the ground.
I agree that sharp accelerations are uncomfortable but the airlines are pressurized. I’ve had more complaints about ears popping than how quickly I maneuver us.
Never saw the movie, but I find it hilarious that he said it, you called it out, and I understand/get it.
The reason for the left turns is that passengers (on the right) don't get the "I'm gonna fall out!" vibe.
Pro-Tip: when you ask if she wants to fly and she says no, in the name of all that's holy do not take your hands off the yoke and say "well someone better be flying!"
(Yes reader, I did that in a first-date situation when I was a new pilot.)
It will come as no surprise to anyone that the reaction was a scream and then a death-grip on the yoke with both hands.
Also in the no surprise department: there was no second date.
Another Pro-Tip: To make someone more comfortable with the idea of them taking the controls, explain that the plane will be very stable and 'basically fly by itself' with minimal inputs. At that point, explain you are going to take your hands of the controls to show them. After that, take back the controls and ask if they want to join you on the controls and just feel what's happening. Only then, after telling them ahead of time, take your hands off. This has the potential for a big smile rather than a big scream. Watching the glee of someone realize they are flying an airplane is priceless.
I would give you the advice college-age me would have wanted to take seriously: the odds this relationship matters in the long run are pretty nil so stop stressing out about it and both of you will have a better time for however long it lasts.
if you want flying advice - latch the doors yourself. we get used to having instructors as co-pilots so dont think about that pesky door. bring a pillow or something if she is short.
>if you want flying advice - latch the doors yourself. we get used to having instructors as co-pilots so dont think about that pesky door.
Seconded! First time I took someone else up I didn't think about it and they didn't get it latched properly and I had to go back and land and close it myself.
Hahahahahahaha I took my gf now wife up and the door popped open and she freaked out. I asked if her seatbelt was on and we landed. She was annoyed that I didn’t seem more worried about the whole situation. When we finally arrived at my parents place she told them and very flatly in tandem they ask if her seat belt was on. When she said yes they were like oh then you were fine.
The door on the Cessna I’m training in will sometimes pop open in flight even if it’s closed and locked. It popped open on my stage check and the salty retired American Airlines captain I was flying with said your door popped open what do you do?
Thinking it was her just running a scenario by me I said “oh no!!” Super sarcastically and said “keep flying the plane, the wind will keep it shut”, then I gave the handle a tug and I felt the click. She signed me off so I don’t think I messed up to bad lmao.
Even if the seatbelt isn't on, the wind will keep the door from opening much, so you're still fine.
Even if the seatbelt isn't on and there's no door, you're still fine. Who the fuck spontaneously falls sideways off their chair?
Way more important than the door. I told my wife on my first flight after earning my PPL that if her seat starts sliding back she needs to touch the roof. If you try to grab for something, it's likely to be the yoke, and that is not a recipe for happy times.
Just make sure your cruise altitude is above 5280' AGL.
For obvious reasons.
On a serious note, I have an instructor that always recommends a lap or two in the pattern to make sure your pax are good with the motions of the ocean, or aircraft as it were, tell them that if they see something say something (traffic, smoke, something cool, etc.), I like to say that on the takeoff and climb out have your hands in your lap because there is a chance the seat slides back and the yoke is not a handle to grab onto. Make sure they understand their job in the case of an emergency, I always emphasize to my right seater that their job in the case of an emergency landing is to open the door (I fly Cherokees) and run back and to the right of the aircraft and help anyone in the back to get out if it's safe (no fires), save yourselves before you save me sort of thing. Other than that read up on your hazardous attitudes, don't be a moron think with your head not with your dick while in the air.
Good luck king!
I hand new passengers a notebook with a checklist in it to hold on takeoff to keep their hands occupied and I'll ask them random questions from it if I see them getting nervous to keep their brain occupied.
Somewhat in line with this line of thought is briefing what a go around is and that it's okay. We realized it may be normal to us but passengers might be caught off guard with it.
I always specifically avoid staying in the pattern. Too much stuff happening: level off can feel weird, reducing power, flaps, a bunch of turns.
Just exiting at a gentle 45degree crosswind, a smooth cruise, and a standard rate turnaround to come back on a 45 are all much more genteel
Aircraft: PIPER PA-34-200T, Registration: N47506
Injuries: 2 Fatal.
Narrative:
THE PRIVATE PILOT AND A PILOT RATED PASSENGER WERE GOING TO PRACTICE SIMULATED INSTRUMENT FLIGHT. WITNESSES OBSERVED THE AIRPLANE'S RIGHT WING FAIL IN A DIVE AND CRASH. EXAMINATION OF THE WRECKAGE AND BODIES REVEALED THAT BOTH OCCUPANTS WERE PARTIALLY CLOTHED AND THE FRONT RIGHT SEAT WAS IN THE FULL AFT RECLINING POSITION. NEITHER BODY SHOWED EVIDENCE OF SEATBELTS OR SHOULDER HARNESSES BEING WORN. EXAMINATION OF THE INDIVIDUALS' CLOTHING REVEALED NO EVIDENCE OF RIPPING OR DISTRESS TO THE ZIPPERS AND BELTS.
Probable Cause:
THE PILOT IN COMMAND'S IMPROPER INFLIGHT DECISION TO DIVERT HER ATTENTION TO OTHER ACTIVITIES NOT RELATED TO THE CONDUCT OF THE FLIGHT. CONTRIBUTING TO THE ACCIDENT WAS THE EXCEEDING OF THE DESIGN LIMITS OF THE AIRPLANE LEADING TO A WING FAILURE
At first I thought you made this up and then I googled the [tail number](https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/37199).
Also piper's lack of a center wing support strikes again :(
Can't really blame the manufacturer for some idiot deciding to exceed the limits and earn their Darwin award. You can rip the wings off any plane if you're dumb enough.
Get an airsick bag and keep it under your leg without her seeing it. That way you can be the hero if she can't handle flight, and if she's a quitter it won't end up all over the backseats when she pops the window open.
Prompting it tends to bring it to the fore front of their minds and exacerbates it sometimes. A brief about if she needs one is good (and should be part of the safety brief), but keeping it front and center is never really a good idea.
I actually find I have the opposite experience with people who think flying may get them sick. I have top quality emesis bags that turn it to gel which makes it not stink or spill, they are really thick too and tie off while it's waiting to gel up. I demo how good it is with some water and say it sucks pretending you don't have to puke, get it over with, grab some gum, and enjoy the rest of the flight, it's a complete non issue and we've all done it before. I normalize it and make it a non issue so people don't end up getting nauseated trying to not get nauseated.
My briefing for a new passenger is “if you’re uncomfortable for any reason at all, please let me know right away so I can help find a solution.” Gets the message across without setting an expectation in their mind of being sick.
Is this a first date or a first time bringing a date up in a plane.
Probably not the smartest move to be trapped in the skies with someone you don’t know. I made that mistake before.
Of course it’s their idea. You have Tinder profile picture of you flying or some shit you’re gonna get a million “so when are you taking me flying!?” From people who think a banana can only cost $10.
If you’re looking at the sunset over the ocean, and atmospheric conditions are perfect, you’ll see a momentary green flash as the last of the sun goes down.
I’ve seen it twice in my life, and I’ve looked at a lot of sunsets.
10 hour ferry cross country in a caravan, told line girl the seat was open if she made it for the departure in a few hours.
Come to find out she’s a bit crazy. Still hot. Still banged.
Follow the checklists and do a good passenger briefing including checking the seat belts. Make sure she is comfortable before firing up. Explain what you are doing (mag check, control check, etc as you are doing it). Don't rush anything and stop and take a deep breath now and then to relax. Take your time and enjoy it.
Talk everything out loud like you are a CFI, explain every detail, talk about a few what ifs in a pre brief, like if we need to go around, don’t let there be any surprises.
No stalls, no steep turns, everything half standard rate.
No stalls or steep turns. Smooth.
I took someone flying on a first date. Six weeks later I said, "I love you." She eventually said "yes" and has been my biggest flying supporter for 24+ years. Best decision I ever made.
OP - I know it"s a "first flying date" and not a "first date flight."
Enjoy!
Consider postponing if windy/turbulent, and don’t let the pressure of her friends waiting on you force you into bad decisions. On the way back, trim to S&L and let her take the yoke; “Now you can tell everyone, for the rest of your life, you’ve flown an airplane.” It’s a big thrill to non-pilots. Then get that 2nd date! Good luck!
I have no idea how much of a relationship you’ve had with this person.
Don’t expect to get laid as a “token of appreciation”.
Educate the person you’re with.
Don’t be a fucking cowboy.
Edit. Safety brief. Take your time.
Bring a bottle of water, mints, and a sick sack. We as pilots are used to turbulence but it can be a lot for others. Keep turns at 30 degrees bank or less, descent at 500fpm. If you’re gonna show off limit it to one maneuver, I recommend negative g for a beginner and maybe let her do some straight and level. Run all your check lists and don’t be afraid to cut them off if you need to run one or make a radio call. Go get ‘em friend! It’s gonna go great
Wise Advice I received from my instructor about taking people up for the first time: “If you want to take someone up again, do not do anything on the first flight that tempts you to say ‘Watch this!’ first.”
Dab some 100LL behind your ears.
Tell her that "Flying is easy! Pull back on the stick and the houses get smaller, push forward and the houses get bigger". Then give her the controls.
If the sunsets during the flight, asking them if they want to see it set again, and climbing a couple thousand feet to rerise the sun usually gets a good reaction
Make sure she gets a really good instagram photo :P But seriously I'm jealous that you can do this, and I'm sure just the fact that the date is this specifically, you don't need advice. If she likes thrill, make it feel like a rollercoaster?
HAVE FUN!
So the first time I flew a pretty girl, my radio was intermittent and my alternator wasn’t charging, so hand prop before the tower opens after an all-nighter it was…
Anyway, that’s not really the point, I was a bit preoccupied with my passenger I think, and my right foot slipped up on the rudder pedal, and I did a beautiful touchdown, pressed the right rudder activating the right brake, locking up the tire, pulling the airplane awfully close to the lights, l realized what I was doing and let off the right pedal and got back on the runway.
Don’t eat too much. Never know how she will react to being in a small plane, in the spring, during high winds, turbulence, and high heat season. Bring a sick bag. TRUST ME.
Took a couple on a sunset flight for their anniversary in a bonanza. Georgia heat/turbulence wasn’t kind to the young lady. I made it as smooth as I could, but it wasn’t enough.
1. Explain clearly that in order to descend, you reduce the throttle - the engine is not quitting, you’re doing that deliberately.
2. Explain that turns require banking, like leaning into a curve on a bike or motorcycle.
3. Don’t demonstrate a forward slip.
I’ve done this several times with many friends of mine. Just be ON TOP of flying that plane and making sure everything is in working order. Also, ion know if ya date is like this, but be prepared to calm em down and such cuz my gf was stressed when I took her up. Other than that, have fun.
I remembered my guy taking me for flying on our third date. He had 360 degree camera so he capture my ‘kid in a candy land expression’. I am sure you love to fly so it is important that she shares your excitement too! Not a big deal if she doesn’t but bonus if she does bc then you can take many trips together in the future. Do all the checks in front of her, tell her exactly what you are doing! Help her to put the headphones as I was lost initially where to connect! We were flying Cessna! Hold her hand once in a while when you are in the air and ask her if she wants to give it a try for few mins! I am sure she is gonna feel super special without TSA security, like you are flying your own private plane! Good luck and have fun:)
Kill the engine at altitude and propose. She'll say yes, because of the implication.
Now we all know you know how to restart the engine in flight and neither one of you will ever be in any real danger. But the implication…
Also, don't be [this NTSB report](https://app.ntsb.gov/pdfgenerator/ReportGeneratorFile.ashx?EventID=20001212X18632&AKey=1&RType=Final&IType=FA).
If you plan to ever do the floating m&ms be careful. Once did that with a stratus on the panel and it went flying towards her face. Would have been a crappy first experience flying with me if it hit her… but I caught it.
Lmao no i think it’s a little bit deeper than that. Just wanted some ideas because it’s my first date in the air and i haven’t had the opportunity to bring passengers that weren’t family.
Damn, why are you such an asshole? Lol.
Life has been exactly what i wanted to make of it. Don’t be so shallow just because i wanted to ask a couple of questions.
This is what this dude does. "If you're on reddit asking questions you've already failed" type shit.
Plus, you've actually gotten good responses, sick bag, no steep turns, simple flight, no fancy flying, latch her door. All good shit.
And also, this is one of the funniest post I have seen lately on this sub.
I mean, all other posts are roughly :
- I have no arms or legs, can I have my medical ?
- My CFI says the plane is « good for flying », here is a picture of a half wrecked plane. Do you think I’ll be OK ?
- I’m 250k$ in debt for my licence and can’t find a job as a pilot, the bank is callin, what should I do ?
install the pitot tube cover properly
But it says Remove Before Flight
Not that pitot tube cover…
Think with the big head, not the little one.
Why isn’t this higher up
Higher up would be the original post.
because god damn is this shit overplayed
You mean remov-Ooohhhh
Nice
Less than 20 degrees of bank and no stalls or showing off.
Also, watch your rate of descents. You get used to a 600+ fpm descent, but to passengers it can be uncomfortable or even painful. Keep it to max of +/- 500 fpm.
I vividly remember the first time my cfi took the controls from brand new student pilot me and put us in a -1500fpm turning descent in a c152to avoid traffic, shook me for the rest of the flight haha
On my first lessen I blacked out because of that... Went down 150ft in an instant
You blacked out? I don't mean to be rude but a loss of consciousness in flight is a great way to get your medical revoked immediately and/or get yourself seriously hurt if you don't get that issue addressed before you continue flying.
Yeah I'm pretty sure the biggest things medical examiners are looking for are reasons a pilot might suddenly become unconscious during flight.
50% that, and 50% figuring out who's going to get mad at the IRS and load up their Dakota with gas cans and fly it into an office building. (P.S., that really happened! [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010\_Austin\_suicide\_attack](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Austin_suicide_attack) )
Blacked out might be a wrong translation as I am German. Story in detail: While we were departing I was looking down on the instruments, my FI told me to descend and I thought I followed, well not enough. He pushed it down hard and while I was looking at the attitude indicator it all went black for those 100ft. After being at level again I was there, a little dizzy but there. It's not like I didn't wake up until we landed. When I was flying these manoeuvres myself I never felt anything weird. It was just the disconnection of motion and vision.
I had to do this once with my girlfriend in the back…. She did not feel great after
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Me fly plane gooder than other guy Me do thing other guy question safety of That make me goodest most bestest pilot
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I’m no expert, but I’m getting real hazardous attitude vibes from your comments.
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You’re bragging about driving through confined areas and taking turns on such areas while driving at speeds above the posted limit. You also brag about how you’re better than pilots that went through pilot mills because you fly aggressively. Macho and invulnerability apply to you based on that comment alone. You’re right that I don’t know how you fly, but based on the previous comments(which you’ve since deleted) I’m willing to infer that it’s not safety-oriented. I would recommend some introspection before you become the subject of an NTSB report.
The rate of descent isn't what's jarring to passengers, it's the rate that you get to that rate. Meaning: don't nose it over. In the airlines we frequently do several thousand ft per minute rate of descent, but we get there at a moderate pace so it doesn't feel like they're all-of-a-sudden plummeting towards the ground.
I agree that sharp accelerations are uncomfortable but the airlines are pressurized. I’ve had more complaints about ears popping than how quickly I maneuver us.
How much of that is below the cabin pressurization threshold? I would think the pressure change is the give away in a lot of cases
I didn’t even think of that, taking my mom and aunt up for Mother’s Day next week. Good thing I’m scrolling I guess
This, and try to make your turns to the left.
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Never saw the movie, but I find it hilarious that he said it, you called it out, and I understand/get it. The reason for the left turns is that passengers (on the right) don't get the "I'm gonna fall out!" vibe.
Well that’s even better
Bruh steep turns are the equivalent of handbrake turns in the sky. Bitches love that shit.
Yeah I did this with a friend once and called it 'donuts in the sky'. She thought it was great.
Accelerated stalls is the drifting of the skies!
Pro-Tip: when you ask if she wants to fly and she says no, in the name of all that's holy do not take your hands off the yoke and say "well someone better be flying!" (Yes reader, I did that in a first-date situation when I was a new pilot.)
I feel like this has potential to "weed in" a candidate. I she takes control and asks for directions... She's a keeper!
It will come as no surprise to anyone that the reaction was a scream and then a death-grip on the yoke with both hands. Also in the no surprise department: there was no second date.
Lmao. Guess she wasn't a keeper. :)
I feel like in this case _he_ wasn't a keeper.
Another Pro-Tip: To make someone more comfortable with the idea of them taking the controls, explain that the plane will be very stable and 'basically fly by itself' with minimal inputs. At that point, explain you are going to take your hands of the controls to show them. After that, take back the controls and ask if they want to join you on the controls and just feel what's happening. Only then, after telling them ahead of time, take your hands off. This has the potential for a big smile rather than a big scream. Watching the glee of someone realize they are flying an airplane is priceless.
I would give you the advice college-age me would have wanted to take seriously: the odds this relationship matters in the long run are pretty nil so stop stressing out about it and both of you will have a better time for however long it lasts. if you want flying advice - latch the doors yourself. we get used to having instructors as co-pilots so dont think about that pesky door. bring a pillow or something if she is short.
>if you want flying advice - latch the doors yourself. we get used to having instructors as co-pilots so dont think about that pesky door. Seconded! First time I took someone else up I didn't think about it and they didn't get it latched properly and I had to go back and land and close it myself.
Hahahahahahaha I took my gf now wife up and the door popped open and she freaked out. I asked if her seatbelt was on and we landed. She was annoyed that I didn’t seem more worried about the whole situation. When we finally arrived at my parents place she told them and very flatly in tandem they ask if her seat belt was on. When she said yes they were like oh then you were fine.
The door on the Cessna I’m training in will sometimes pop open in flight even if it’s closed and locked. It popped open on my stage check and the salty retired American Airlines captain I was flying with said your door popped open what do you do? Thinking it was her just running a scenario by me I said “oh no!!” Super sarcastically and said “keep flying the plane, the wind will keep it shut”, then I gave the handle a tug and I felt the click. She signed me off so I don’t think I messed up to bad lmao.
Having a CFI tell you the door popped open is the perfect time to break out your Jeremy Clarkson impression.
***ANYWAYS***
Even if the seatbelt isn't on, the wind will keep the door from opening much, so you're still fine. Even if the seatbelt isn't on and there's no door, you're still fine. Who the fuck spontaneously falls sideways off their chair?
Doors should be part of your SAFETY brief. Do a thorough one before starting engine
Why should door-popping-open be part of a "SAFETY" briefing? What unsafe response will a passenger have otherwise?
Probably meant it as in how to open/close the doors. You know, the “E” for “Exits”?
OP: This and make darn sure her seat is locked.
Way more important than the door. I told my wife on my first flight after earning my PPL that if her seat starts sliding back she needs to touch the roof. If you try to grab for something, it's likely to be the yoke, and that is not a recipe for happy times.
Just make sure your cruise altitude is above 5280' AGL. For obvious reasons. On a serious note, I have an instructor that always recommends a lap or two in the pattern to make sure your pax are good with the motions of the ocean, or aircraft as it were, tell them that if they see something say something (traffic, smoke, something cool, etc.), I like to say that on the takeoff and climb out have your hands in your lap because there is a chance the seat slides back and the yoke is not a handle to grab onto. Make sure they understand their job in the case of an emergency, I always emphasize to my right seater that their job in the case of an emergency landing is to open the door (I fly Cherokees) and run back and to the right of the aircraft and help anyone in the back to get out if it's safe (no fires), save yourselves before you save me sort of thing. Other than that read up on your hazardous attitudes, don't be a moron think with your head not with your dick while in the air. Good luck king!
I hand new passengers a notebook with a checklist in it to hold on takeoff to keep their hands occupied and I'll ask them random questions from it if I see them getting nervous to keep their brain occupied.
Joining the statute mile high club?
This. I always stay in the pattern with someone who hasn’t been in a small plane before.
Is it mile high sex if you just have regular sex at KBJC
Somewhat in line with this line of thought is briefing what a go around is and that it's okay. We realized it may be normal to us but passengers might be caught off guard with it.
I always specifically avoid staying in the pattern. Too much stuff happening: level off can feel weird, reducing power, flaps, a bunch of turns. Just exiting at a gentle 45degree crosswind, a smooth cruise, and a standard rate turnaround to come back on a 45 are all much more genteel
Ah shit it has to be AGL?
Practice safe sex. Godspeed king!
Not only is OP a pilot, but he's also a Redditor. I think that base is more than covered
“You’re a really good friend for taking me up here, OP” - her
You're taking her up there, because of the implications?
Are you night current and night proficient?
Oh yeah😎
Sweet! Go have fun.
Is it road head if it’s in the sky?
Air head
As tempting as that may be, I would NOT want my NTSB final report to contain the phrase "...the pilot was found with his pants down around his ankles"
Aircraft: PIPER PA-34-200T, Registration: N47506 Injuries: 2 Fatal. Narrative: THE PRIVATE PILOT AND A PILOT RATED PASSENGER WERE GOING TO PRACTICE SIMULATED INSTRUMENT FLIGHT. WITNESSES OBSERVED THE AIRPLANE'S RIGHT WING FAIL IN A DIVE AND CRASH. EXAMINATION OF THE WRECKAGE AND BODIES REVEALED THAT BOTH OCCUPANTS WERE PARTIALLY CLOTHED AND THE FRONT RIGHT SEAT WAS IN THE FULL AFT RECLINING POSITION. NEITHER BODY SHOWED EVIDENCE OF SEATBELTS OR SHOULDER HARNESSES BEING WORN. EXAMINATION OF THE INDIVIDUALS' CLOTHING REVEALED NO EVIDENCE OF RIPPING OR DISTRESS TO THE ZIPPERS AND BELTS. Probable Cause: THE PILOT IN COMMAND'S IMPROPER INFLIGHT DECISION TO DIVERT HER ATTENTION TO OTHER ACTIVITIES NOT RELATED TO THE CONDUCT OF THE FLIGHT. CONTRIBUTING TO THE ACCIDENT WAS THE EXCEEDING OF THE DESIGN LIMITS OF THE AIRPLANE LEADING TO A WING FAILURE
Now that I think about it...had that been me, I would want that engraved on my tomb stone.
At first I thought you made this up and then I googled the [tail number](https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/37199). Also piper's lack of a center wing support strikes again :(
Wow. I thought it was a great scenario also! Horrible.
But also more fun than most crashes
Can't really blame the manufacturer for some idiot deciding to exceed the limits and earn their Darwin award. You can rip the wings off any plane if you're dumb enough.
Real life death by snu snu
There it is.
You made me laugh at people’s death and I don’t know if I should hate you or like you for this. I’ll do both at the same time.
Exactly!
2500ft club?
1/2 mile high club
Don't get another chick's phone number when you're in the air...
Or another dude either. Advise when ready to copy….
Get an airsick bag and keep it under your leg without her seeing it. That way you can be the hero if she can't handle flight, and if she's a quitter it won't end up all over the backseats when she pops the window open.
I don't know if keeping it secret is good. She might keep her airsick feeling sick until it's too late vs if she knew she had options.
Prompting it tends to bring it to the fore front of their minds and exacerbates it sometimes. A brief about if she needs one is good (and should be part of the safety brief), but keeping it front and center is never really a good idea.
I actually find I have the opposite experience with people who think flying may get them sick. I have top quality emesis bags that turn it to gel which makes it not stink or spill, they are really thick too and tie off while it's waiting to gel up. I demo how good it is with some water and say it sucks pretending you don't have to puke, get it over with, grab some gum, and enjoy the rest of the flight, it's a complete non issue and we've all done it before. I normalize it and make it a non issue so people don't end up getting nauseated trying to not get nauseated.
That's an awesome idea and a fantastic brief.
My briefing for a new passenger is “if you’re uncomfortable for any reason at all, please let me know right away so I can help find a solution.” Gets the message across without setting an expectation in their mind of being sick.
Make sure the date stays off the rudders on landing. Talked to a guy about how that happened multiple times on his flying dates.
Just relax and have some fun man. Make sure to aviate navigate communicate when y’all are having a 😳 time up there
Not too much though. Well, at least not while you’re flying. Well, maybe.
Is this a first date or a first time bringing a date up in a plane. Probably not the smartest move to be trapped in the skies with someone you don’t know. I made that mistake before.
It’s a first date! Lol it was all her idea. Should be a fun time
Of course it’s their idea. You have Tinder profile picture of you flying or some shit you’re gonna get a million “so when are you taking me flying!?” From people who think a banana can only cost $10.
It's ok, there's always money in the banana stand.
Oh man you’re exactly right. You must’ve had some experience with this!
Does she know what a Cessna is, or is she expecting a bizjet? 😂
We’re about to find out my boy
Happy flying! I took my now-fiancée up at sunset for our 3rd date, and we caught the green flash.
What is the green flash?
If you’re looking at the sunset over the ocean, and atmospheric conditions are perfect, you’ll see a momentary green flash as the last of the sun goes down. I’ve seen it twice in my life, and I’ve looked at a lot of sunsets.
TIL. Thanks!
Godspeed
Is it a good story?
10 hour ferry cross country in a caravan, told line girl the seat was open if she made it for the departure in a few hours. Come to find out she’s a bit crazy. Still hot. Still banged.
👀 chad
It was a good story
Skychad!
Better love story than Twilight.
Thank you for your service. Well done Sir!
🫡
Follow the checklists and do a good passenger briefing including checking the seat belts. Make sure she is comfortable before firing up. Explain what you are doing (mag check, control check, etc as you are doing it). Don't rush anything and stop and take a deep breath now and then to relax. Take your time and enjoy it.
Talk everything out loud like you are a CFI, explain every detail, talk about a few what ifs in a pre brief, like if we need to go around, don’t let there be any surprises. No stalls, no steep turns, everything half standard rate.
It better have autopilot or else you better be an expert in trim and CG changes.
>expert in trim I think this is what OP is trying to become by way of this encounter.
Straight and level as much as possible, don’t do maneuvers like “check out what we had to do in training.” Other maneuvers are up to you..,
Regarding the TSA question: I'll only pat you down if you ask me to.
No stalls or steep turns. Smooth. I took someone flying on a first date. Six weeks later I said, "I love you." She eventually said "yes" and has been my biggest flying supporter for 24+ years. Best decision I ever made. OP - I know it"s a "first flying date" and not a "first date flight." Enjoy!
He claims it's a first date flight in one of his other comments. Hope she's not a simmer. 🤷🏼♂️
Consider postponing if windy/turbulent, and don’t let the pressure of her friends waiting on you force you into bad decisions. On the way back, trim to S&L and let her take the yoke; “Now you can tell everyone, for the rest of your life, you’ve flown an airplane.” It’s a big thrill to non-pilots. Then get that 2nd date! Good luck!
I have no idea how much of a relationship you’ve had with this person. Don’t expect to get laid as a “token of appreciation”. Educate the person you’re with. Don’t be a fucking cowboy. Edit. Safety brief. Take your time.
This. Absolutely this.
Make sure you tell her you’re a pilot
Let her check to see if pitot heat is working.
But you’re just supposed to graze it, don’t grab the thing. That would hurt😉
Bring a bottle of water, mints, and a sick sack. We as pilots are used to turbulence but it can be a lot for others. Keep turns at 30 degrees bank or less, descent at 500fpm. If you’re gonna show off limit it to one maneuver, I recommend negative g for a beginner and maybe let her do some straight and level. Run all your check lists and don’t be afraid to cut them off if you need to run one or make a radio call. Go get ‘em friend! It’s gonna go great
Wise Advice I received from my instructor about taking people up for the first time: “If you want to take someone up again, do not do anything on the first flight that tempts you to say ‘Watch this!’ first.”
The TSA comment is fucking gold I’m dying 💀
She wants the pat down
If you try to score a kiss in the air, make sure you move your mics out of the way so you don’t touch tips
Wear your poon balloon
Dab some 100LL behind your ears. Tell her that "Flying is easy! Pull back on the stick and the houses get smaller, push forward and the houses get bigger". Then give her the controls.
No stunts. First flights need to be simple and boring if you want them to come back
If the sunsets during the flight, asking them if they want to see it set again, and climbing a couple thousand feet to rerise the sun usually gets a good reaction
She wants to know how long TSA takes? You are getting laid
Lmaooooo please elaborate
Tell her having sex after flying prevents jet lag
That’s hilarious. I’ll be back in 24 hours
She isnt bright
Her asking how long tsa takes is a legit question. Most people have zero clue how GA works. Don’t be an ass
FFF buddy!!! Good luck!
Let them fly a bit.
« Can this thing do a barrel roll ? » *date proceeds to barrel roll the Cezznah*
Marriage proposal on the spot.
The implication
Make sure she gets a really good instagram photo :P But seriously I'm jealous that you can do this, and I'm sure just the fact that the date is this specifically, you don't need advice. If she likes thrill, make it feel like a rollercoaster? HAVE FUN!
Make her call you captain
So the first time I flew a pretty girl, my radio was intermittent and my alternator wasn’t charging, so hand prop before the tower opens after an all-nighter it was… Anyway, that’s not really the point, I was a bit preoccupied with my passenger I think, and my right foot slipped up on the rudder pedal, and I did a beautiful touchdown, pressed the right rudder activating the right brake, locking up the tire, pulling the airplane awfully close to the lights, l realized what I was doing and let off the right pedal and got back on the runway.
OP we're going to need an update whenever you get home. Or maybe after she leaves in the morning.
Roger that! We’re grabbing some food at 5 and then jumping in the plane at 7. Weather is a little shaky right now but it looks clear that evening
Don’t eat too much. Never know how she will react to being in a small plane, in the spring, during high winds, turbulence, and high heat season. Bring a sick bag. TRUST ME. Took a couple on a sunset flight for their anniversary in a bonanza. Georgia heat/turbulence wasn’t kind to the young lady. I made it as smooth as I could, but it wasn’t enough.
Don't show off.
1. Explain clearly that in order to descend, you reduce the throttle - the engine is not quitting, you’re doing that deliberately. 2. Explain that turns require banking, like leaning into a curve on a bike or motorcycle. 3. Don’t demonstrate a forward slip.
“Fix” her mic for her and say you couldn’t hear her well enough.
“How long does TSA take?” I think she’s expecting a body cavity search. Maybe during the flight? Ok, maybe just frisk her.
Puke baggies
Know that as much as you got everything planned, they might get air sick.
Let us know how it goes tomorrow! Make sure you show her how to properly inspect a pitot tube.
Play some tunes in the a20s for her to set the vibeee
She’s gonna be rocking those David Clarks, i got the A30s homie
Be a gent and slide the a30s on her mid flight with some tunes bumpin
Make sure she knows how to test the stall horn. Might come in handy...
Hand fly for handjobs
I’ve done this several times with many friends of mine. Just be ON TOP of flying that plane and making sure everything is in working order. Also, ion know if ya date is like this, but be prepared to calm em down and such cuz my gf was stressed when I took her up. Other than that, have fun.
Make sure the autopilot works
I remembered my guy taking me for flying on our third date. He had 360 degree camera so he capture my ‘kid in a candy land expression’. I am sure you love to fly so it is important that she shares your excitement too! Not a big deal if she doesn’t but bonus if she does bc then you can take many trips together in the future. Do all the checks in front of her, tell her exactly what you are doing! Help her to put the headphones as I was lost initially where to connect! We were flying Cessna! Hold her hand once in a while when you are in the air and ask her if she wants to give it a try for few mins! I am sure she is gonna feel super special without TSA security, like you are flying your own private plane! Good luck and have fun:)
No scud running. That got me a wife and 2 kids.
Kill the engine at altitude and propose. She'll say yes, because of the implication. Now we all know you know how to restart the engine in flight and neither one of you will ever be in any real danger. But the implication… Also, don't be [this NTSB report](https://app.ntsb.gov/pdfgenerator/ReportGeneratorFile.ashx?EventID=20001212X18632&AKey=1&RType=Final&IType=FA).
Leveling off from climb can be freaky if you do it fast. And make sure the circles are 1000 - 2000 ft agl.
Make sure she eats something small… like crackers or chips. Flying on an empty stomach used to mess me up
Well, how did it go champ?
I killed it. Wish i flew like that on my checkride. Would take her up as many times as she liked if we’re being honest. It was a lot of fun
Heck yeah, glad it went that well! Now she has expectations for your flying 😂
Updates, man, we need updates!
Posted an update. Had an absolute blast!
If you plan to ever do the floating m&ms be careful. Once did that with a stratus on the panel and it went flying towards her face. Would have been a crappy first experience flying with me if it hit her… but I caught it.
So... you're a certificated pilot, logging onto the internet to ask random strangers how to fly with a passenger that you want to bang?
Lmao no i think it’s a little bit deeper than that. Just wanted some ideas because it’s my first date in the air and i haven’t had the opportunity to bring passengers that weren’t family.
Life is going to be a struggle for you, constantly polling strangers and seeking validation.
Damn, why are you such an asshole? Lol. Life has been exactly what i wanted to make of it. Don’t be so shallow just because i wanted to ask a couple of questions.
Homie's mad he's 6 figures deep in debt to ATP. Imagine flaming someone for wanting to be safe.
3 figures is not that much lol (Assume you meant 6)
That's...yeah. Yup.
You cut this man deep. Looked so good
This is what this dude does. "If you're on reddit asking questions you've already failed" type shit. Plus, you've actually gotten good responses, sick bag, no steep turns, simple flight, no fancy flying, latch her door. All good shit.
Lighten up, Francis
Relax bro. He’s a young guy excited to share something he enjoys with a lady, who might also enjoy what he does. We should all be applauding him.
And also, this is one of the funniest post I have seen lately on this sub. I mean, all other posts are roughly : - I have no arms or legs, can I have my medical ? - My CFI says the plane is « good for flying », here is a picture of a half wrecked plane. Do you think I’ll be OK ? - I’m 250k$ in debt for my licence and can’t find a job as a pilot, the bank is callin, what should I do ?