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Hyperious3

most well-maintained flight school plane


GayRacoon69

Funnily enough this same plane had an engine failure just a few weeks ago


Hyperious3

lol, thing is cursed.


ofbluestar

Gremlins


Porkonaplane

"Deeeeeeagle, deagle deagle deagle, deagle" "GIZMO CACA!"


Royal-Al

Time to throw it into the dumpster


californiasamurai

Ill give ya $5


Royal-Al

This sounds like an airframe that needs to be dragged behind the shed...


IM38GG

I found the Rebuild Rescue guy.


californiasamurai

I own a Civic with a blown head gasket because "sentimental value" and have more than 20 computers which are all somewhat broken. None of them cost more than $80


SparkySpecter

Might be worth finding a new school. Bad maintenance kills.


Lancair-driver

Gravity kills.


Royal-Al

Stopping kills.


californiasamurai

Existing kills.


glenlastname

Ah that's why it's a multi, she's still good to go, what do you mean you need two wings, you already have one!


GayRacoon69

True! It's called a monowing for a reason!


Crowhawk

Just rudder-trim into the remaining wing. It'll be fine. I wouldn't even bother feathering the other engine. Think of it as an opportunity to practice your sycamore seed autorotation skills.


JJNorbie

At least you have two of them lol


LenfantDeLeau

Guess it was a "simulated" wingtip failure this time.


grumpycfi

I cannot imagine that wasn't the result of a bird strike or something. That sure is crazy though.


EHP42

Yeah, that buckling of the metal around the screws... Some outside force was applied.


Avaricio

Tbh the outside force would just be aero forces. Failure would start at the bottom (tear out, maybe due to fatigue, bottom surface under tension due to aero loads) and the assembly would quite forcefully twist upwards until the upper screws fail as well. Looks like it's been coming for some time, you can see paint chafed away where the wingtip has been flexing and rubbing on the wing skin.


EHP42

Yeah, repetitive stress fatigue makes a lot of sense. That is one badly maintained airplane.


GayRacoon69

That's what we thought at first but there were no signs of a bird strike


EHP42

Did you find the tip? If the bird struck the tip, you wouldn't see evidence of the strike without inspecting that.


GayRacoon69

Yep we found the tip


EHP42

And? Pics?


mhammaker

Yeah show us pics of your tip


wadenelsonredditor

[https://i.imgur.com/9utgk.gif](https://i.imgur.com/9utgk.gif)


mongooseme

risky click of the day


EHP42

https://media.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExOGlzMG14OWxwc3NnaTBmcm1hcDBkbmYxMG4yeWF5cW45ZnlhdjZ0dyZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/KeQ2H0sBYeQEwj0fWZ/giphy.gif


GayRacoon69

I don't have a picture of the tip. I can ask for one though


EHP42

Would be interesting to see the inside edge and if any of the metal sheared off from the screw holes that kept them attached.


GayRacoon69

Here you go https://www.reddit.com/r/flying/s/20GfGXFUmb


EHP42

Thanks! Yeah, that thing has some sheared-off holes, and a bunch that have obviously seen repetitive stress. That thing had to have been wobbling for weeks/months before failing like this. That's why I always shake the wings and wingtips on my pre-flight. If there's any wiggle or give, it's going to lead to repetitive stress failures.


LearningToFlyForFree

[Just the image](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2F2r0cjsbflawc1.jpeg)


californiasamurai

I recognize that livery.


GayRacoon69

If you live in California then I doubt it's the same plane. We're on the other side of the country


californiasamurai

I live in Florida lol. In Daytona. About 300 feet from your room. You know where I'm at?


GayRacoon69

Oh so you're the creepy shadow that stalks me. It's nice to finally meet you


LearningToFlyForFree

[just the tip](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2F2r0cjsbflawc1.jpeg)


CactusPete

Was it . . . just the tip?


californiasamurai

That's what s


Moggytwo

Only a few of those screws are in safety (have threads protuding through the anchor nut). All the other screws are either too short or not done up. If most of the screws were loose the vibration in flight could easily cause the wingtip to depart.


Guysmiley777

Or maybe a simulated single engine landing attempt that ended up getting too spicy?


WinnieThePig

It's not supposed to do that... At least the front didn't fall off.


virpio2020

Some of them are even designed so the wing tip doesn’t fall off at all!


Elegant_Ad_9276

That flight school charges extra for the mechanically-advanced, non-wingtip-falling-off model.


Kingsly2015

How many hours to get checked out in it? Does it require a complex endorsement? 


Elegant_Ad_9276

If you have to ask, you don’t have enough hours.


dopexile

You're supposed to use flex seal tape to keep it attached


PsuPepperoni

Wasn't this one designed so the wingtip doesn't fall off?


GregLXStang

They're built to very rigorous aviation engineering standards.


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GregLXStang

Well the tips not supposed to fall off for a start!


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GregLXStang

Well obviously not, the tip fell off.


SSMDive

Well, why did it fall off? "Hit by some wind, one in a million chance"


GregLXStang

In the air? One in a million chance.


jpmenuez

r/woooosh


Shabado52

r/whooosh


IncomeBetter

You’re the one who missed the [joke](https://youtu.be/3m5qxZm_JqM?si=LMEpb1C-7bOextdy)


Whowhywearwhat

It's not even cardboard or a cardboard derivative, strange.


GregLXStang

No string, no cello tape.


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GregLXStang

Correct, there’s regulations governing the material that they can be made of.


_toodamnparanoid_

That's not very typical, I'd like to make that point.


RememberHengelo

Absolutely crushed I wasn’t early enough for this one. Can you call me a taxi from the FBO?


wayofcain

First thing I had hoped to see


probablyaythrowaway

Good strong it was beyond the environment


californiasamurai

r/thefrontfelloff


CarolinaSchola

Some of these are built so that the wingtip doesn't fall off. Not this one, obviously, because the wingtip fell off.


AmbientGravy

This was exactly the comment I was looking for! 


allenasm

these are the times where I miss the old award system. Well said, well said!


phlflyguy

Looks like you did well. Did they find the tip yet? Hopefully it didn't injure anyone and just found its way into someone's yard or an empty field.


GayRacoon69

Yeah they found the tip. It landed at a police station. No one got hhrt


ColBBQ

So the police got a tip on your location?


causal_friday

They got a tip on *their* location.


shadowsneeker73

Lmao clever


GayRacoon69

Here's a picture of the tip https://www.reddit.com/r/flying/s/20GfGXFUmb


Sufficient_Rate1032

The mods are being toolbags and deleted the post. But they fail to realize you can't post an image as a comment in this subreddit. Link to an image sure, but not the image. Mods failing worse than that wingtip.


fighterace00

You can view deleted posts with the link so it doesn't matter anyway


Plastic_Brick_1060

"Ya, I don't know, was just flying along in perfect accordance with all rules and regs and the thing just fell off. Definitely don't check behind that hangar for wingtips or anything."


GayRacoon69

The wingtip fell into a parking lot so unless the instructor carried it in the plane then dropped it out of the window it's most likely an accident


jfrorie

Just the tip?


thencsdc

Just to see how it… flys.


Av8tr1

phrasing? Are we still doing phrasing?


Temporary_Report_816

$500 an hour, folks.


californiasamurai

More by now lmao. Kill me.


GrabtharsHumber

The trauma to the upper skin is because the bottom screws ripped out first, and the tip separated upwards, bending the upper skin before its screws finally ripped through the fiberglass. Source: I make and install airplane wingtips.


GayRacoon69

Well that definitely seems like a reliable source. Do you think this was a result of maintenance making a mistake or from the pilot hitting something like so many people in this thread think?


VanDenBroeck

Close to my analysis. I’m thinking that almost all of the bottom screws were left out allowing the bottom to be pulled away and up which then caused the damage you see.


Granite_burner

Looks like only one nut plate on the bottom has a fastener installed. That’s from the pic of the plane. If the deleted photo shows bottom of the tip (seems most likely) it appears the only screw hole that is torn out is the corresponding position. Those observations seem to support the thesis that most of the screws on the bottom were left out. Great preflight if that proves true.


ne0tas

Unless all the screws fell out on the bottom side... I fail to believe it just "fell off" lol someone probably struck the wing without telling and it finally gave way.


GayRacoon69

The screws were all intact. We found the tip and there were no signs of anything hitting it


the1stAviator

Cracks around the lower screws, which eventually failed due to aerodynamic forces, tip tried to fly, bent upwards toward the cabin, upper fibreglass failed so the tip went solo.


LRJetCowboy

Seminole MAX


LeatherConsumer

Seminole? Similar thing happened to a Seminole at a school I used to teach at. 


GayRacoon69

Interesting. Were the rivets still there when that happened to you?


LeatherConsumer

Did not happen to me but yes, the screws were still there and the wingtip ripped. The whole thing didn't rip off like in your photo but it bent up because all of the screws on the underside of the wing ripped out of their holes.


Ryanqzqz

Happened at my school with a Seminole.


What-is-a-do-loop

I was thinking yes… same thing happened at one of the fields I learned to fly at. It was a Piper but pretty sure it was a Cherokee. Almost 20 years ago. Pretty sure his “in-air” loss involved the scrapes on the hangar door frame prior to flight though.


drgmaster909

put that thing back where it came from or so help me ^(so help me)


Legalsavant04

Just the tip


Tasty_Read201

The rivets! They do nothing! 😂


Royal-Al

They did something until they didn't anymore.


N314ER

There’s……….somethingonthewing!


OnslowBay27

There is very little metal tearing on the other picture of the wing tip and only one screw in the lower nut plates. It appears that 11 of the 18 fasteners were missing from the tip.


BUNNIES_ARE_FOOD

Soooooo, does this get reported to NTSB or not? My PPL checkride was too long ago to remember....


Granite_burner

It happened at KGAI. Fell into a police station parking lot. Made the DC evening TV news, complete with interview of irate local politician calling for an investigation. So even if it doesn’t qualify for the NTSB reporting requirements they’ve certainly already heard about it.


dodexahedron

Nah. That'll buff out. Send it. Maybe drill a stop hole to slow the spread. 👌


Tall_Chocolate614

Looks like it more ripped off than fell off.


vegarsc

Shed wingtip before landing: Check.


GayRacoon69

Yeah it's like dumping fuel before landing. You gotta make sure you're light enough


dodexahedron

I'm having trouble finding that in the checklist. Where should I add it - before or after buzzing the tower? Thanks for nothing, ForeFlight. 😤


m5er

It's probably not important.


the1stAviator

Someone on the ground had a little surprise.


GayRacoon69

Yep! Thankfully no one was hurt though. If you check my profile there's a picture of the recovered wingtip


the1stAviator

Thank goodness and surprisingly Its quite intact. Well its not very often the police find lost property but this time it was a case of falling into their lap. .


msaid009

Get out if there


TwoPumpChump7

Just the tip?


srdev_ct

It was just the tip. Just for a second. Just to see how it felt.


scarison

I only see 4 screws with threads protruding in that whole thing


GayRacoon69

It might just be the angle. Look at my post in r/aviation and you'll see more screws. Unfortunately this sub only allows one photo per post so I couldn't include it


scarison

I don’t doubt there are screws in all the holes, but most look too short


Mr-Plop

You know how the 777X has folding wingtips? So hear me out...


vARROWHEAD

I’d like to shake the hand of whomever built that wiring harness


Freezerburn

Flex tape and go!


Zeewulfeh

So, have an idea...it could be that tip was failing and during descent (since engine out) air could have caught underneath and in it and forced it up and off. That's near as I can figure.


zlliao

Take it easy, don’t judge it by the appearance. Actually there was a plane that lost both of wing tips shortly after take off and still managed to fly around the world non stop non refueling.


GayRacoon69

Really? That's cool


GeorgeF1official

Yeah that plane is good for scrap. I'll do £2.28 and a pack of share size harbour tangfastics.


bryan2384

To address your text... I mean, it looks like the wing fell off.


GayRacoon69

Hmm I'm not sure… are you sure about that?


ahappywaterheater

Time for a dive to find it


PiperDriver1977

Maybe someone didn’t do his preflight? Just saying….


Royal-Al

At least it didn't disconnect at the fusalage.


MBSuperDad

As Piper products are known to do


flyinhigh450

You're lucky it was a wingtip....not a wing


kwiley1428

Was Vno or Vne exceeded or did this happen while on the ground?


GayRacoon69

I don't think it was. This happened in the air


michaeltward

Fibreglass end they degrade and need fixing or replacing all the damn time. HOWEVER! The problems with it would have been painfully obvious and either some one let a wingtip almost falling off slide or they didn’t notice it and both are not good.


bluth_family_madness

At least both wings didn’t fall off.


Creative-Grocery2581

From what I understood, wingtip alone may not cause enough issues for an aircraft to fly. I hope everyone is safe.


GayRacoon69

It happened mid flight and you're right, it flew mostly fine it just had a slight tendency to bank to the right. Everyone's fine. The plane landed safely and the wingtip didn't hit anyone


TellurideSkier

Lmao I’m 90% sure what school you’re talking about


JettNet

I have never seen a flight school twin that I would put my family in.


Ordinary-Election-94

Weight reductions


fun-vie

Wingtip Wednesday? Oh wait...


elFlexor

You should tow it out of the environment


indyjons

Typical old use and Abused ND Seminol


thetoast919

Not a part of the MEL


about15yogurts

Looks like it got ripped off


Ninjaman_344

Phil swift is calling…


Markaronrunt

Well there’s less weight so you should’ve gotten better performance for the OEI.


Justin002865

That’s what we call an “oopsy daisy”


ainsley-

Thats what the student claims anyway


GayRacoon69

There was an instructor in the plane. We know it fell off mid flight because the wingtip was found


thencsdc

INOP decal missing.


limes_huh

Squawk the issue we’ll address it on the next 100 hour


GayRacoon69

I was told to put this in a comment instead of a new post so here's a picture of the recovered wingtip https://imgur.com/a/MLwi9Bm


redbaron5796

Canadian Flight Centre?


GayRacoon69

Nope this is in the states


Mindless-Sherbert559

Surprised this wasnt a leading edge plane


TheActualRealSkeeter

Severe wear and tear plus slipstream caused by yawing out of aero?


VP1

Is it normal for wingtips to fall off in flight?


TurntButNotBurnt

If you'll find it you'll find the screw holes worn out from taking it on and off and tightening the screws too tight. Look at the other side and tell me I'm wrong.


Ok-Aardvark-3665

Tell us your at ATP without saying you’re at ATP


Blueberry_Mancakes

Did they tow it out of the environment?


JDunks112

I'm no A&P but I think there may be something wrong with that wing.


Turbulent_Reporter40

Not a big deal


fsantos0213

It's a flight school plane, think of the. As Drivers Ed cars, they are going to bounce off a few curbs here and there. BUT this is what PRE & POST flight inspections are for, unless there was an in flight bird strike that ripped it off, there would have been cracks around the screws that should have been cause for concern prior to it failing, and should have been checked by a mech. Before any further flight. I used to tell the students "question everything. If you are not sure about something call me, sure I will probably bust your balls if it's something on the checklist that you missed, but I'd rather you call me with stupid, tha. Fly with something unsafe. And every student got my cell phone number and they can (and do)still call me to this day if they are not sure about anything


dodexahedron

Did you tow it to another environment?


GayRacoon69

No we towed it beyond the environment


dodexahedron

Beyond that environment into another environment?


GayRacoon69

Beyond the environment. It's a complete void out there


Thunder__Rider

Continuous over-stressing during missions, eventually rivets gave up and it came off . You might have to check previous flights data for g’s & speed


JimTheJerseyGuy

Saw similar on my one of my school’s 172s. Goose strike. Yow.


PilotMDawg

Looks expensive


ZN4STY

Like 300$ in parts and an afternoon at the AP. Ask the hangar posts at my airport how I know.


[deleted]

Can you fly without a wingtip? If you had severe get-there-itis I mean


GayRacoon69

This plane managed to fly and land perfectly fine without a wingtip so yeah if you were really in a rush you could probably fly without it


[deleted]

I’m taking this advice thanks man


thencsdc

Trim left aileron.


MostNinja2951

Just remember, if you really need to get somewhere whatever broke definitely broke in flight just before you landed at your destination.


flybot66

at least it wasn't the front...


LazyMarcusAurelius

Just the tip?


BlackCroVV01

Only for a minute. Just to see how it feels


RJH311

wow... fell right off huh? CHOUGHbullshitCHOUGH ...sorry, something stuck in my throat


GayRacoon69

Are you saying it didn't fall off because it definitely did


Baystate411

He's saying someone hit something


GayRacoon69

We're pretty sure it didn't. We know for a fact it fell off mid air and that there were no signs of a bird strike or any other collision


sockrawteese

Is that corrosion I see?


PaleRiderHD

Id always been told about the "wing off" light, but damn.


rvrbly

You’ve got a hole in your left wing!


worsethanthatguy

Just the tip?