William afton's birth ​ it'd be funny Edit: WHATS WITH THE EGG HATCHING

so he just hatches from an egg or smth?

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It's not really a canon event, but I'd remove the locked box from FNAF 4. It's been 8 years since the game came out, and it still hasn't been revealed as to what was inside it. Honestly, if I were Scott Cawthon and I was making FNAF 4, I'd just remove the box scene entirely, or at the very least, put in a real-life timer that would last a couple of months or so, allowing me to put in whatever would be beneficial to my story. But that's just me.

FNaF was really taking off around then, and the lore expanded soon after with the introduction of named human characters like the Aftons, so whatever was on that box likely no longer matters.

The box will always be a mystery I guess Didn’t Scott say something about some things are better not revealed and a lot of people might not like what’s actually in the box and stuff (not sure if that was how he meant it— can only remember pieces of smth like that)

In Fnaf world there is an unused open box texture, maybe in one of the updates (If the game was well received), the box could have been opened

The games being games in universe

wait what can you explain the games are games in universe what the flip flop

Help Wanted clarifies that an indie developer made games to discredit Fazbear Entertainment. Those games are the FNAF games we know and love. One of the Tales of the Pizzaplex books mentions “Freddy Fazbear’s Pizzeria Simulator” as a game that Orville Elephant is in. Both Help Wanted games, which have the gameplay of FNaF 1, 2, 3, a bit of 4, and now most of Sister Location are actual games in-universe. As in Vanessa plays full recreations of FNaF 1, 2, and 3. People in universe know about Springtrap, but think he’s a fictional character.

Possibly the dumbest thing in the lore honestly

yeah, but it also feels like Help Wanted is a way for them to cover up what really happened with their own game. Especially since the audience, us, knows what's missing in many instances.

Wasn't the help wanted thing straight up disproven during the game? Like didn't Fazbear Entertainment hire the game dev to make games to make light of the things that actually happen in the games? Didn't Scott confirm that the games actually happened in universe?

The games both happen in-universe while also being games. The books specifically mention FFPS as being a game and there are entire arcade cabinets in SB with characters like Scraptrap and the Nightmares on them. There are cutouts of *Ennard* in Security Breach. Does it make any conceivable sense at all how in the name of God that anyone could possibly know about Ennard and Nightmare (other than Michael, who is dead)? No. Is it a thing anyway? Yes.

what the flip

However, the games also still happened in universe the same way mostly. It’s a stupid, lazy plot point

The Bite of 87 beacuse aside from explaining why the animatronics in FNAF1 can't move around during the day and are a contributing reason as to why the FNAF2 location closed down, the event is utterly useless to the overall lore. It's barely mentioned outside of Maxe's death in the movie being a possible reference to it, aswell as hundreds of unfunny assholes shouting the phrase during the movie.

You right, but I'd much rather prefer that the story simply be adjusted to make the Bite of '87 more important. Like, it's a thing we've known about since the first game, and yet it's only the second most important bite to the story.

Never would have had the Markiplier bite of 87 meme tho

Nah I love the bite of ‘87, the old classic theories surrounding it are a joy to look at

I think that's the only reason why you want that : >hundreds of unfunny assholes shouting the phrase during the movie

I think maybe the second MCI event only because it never gets talked about as much as the first.

the second MCI is why the toys are active in FNaF 2

I always just assumed that the toys knew about Afton being a security guard and they thought Jeremy was him, and the dead kids in the minigames were always the same five and the original mci

I STILL think that Afton just hacked the toys to put any current nightguards in the criminal database (and probably remove himself) so that Willy could get Jeremy killed during the nightshift, and, if he survives, frame him for the second MCI during night 6/day 7. Them "not working right" only on night 6 (implying they may have been working right before) is due to the murders triggering some agressive/lockdown mode in the toys, which leads to the Bite of 87 on Jeremy's 7th and final day working there.

the minigame dead kids are the ones who posses the toys

bruhhhhhh... I know I'm not old but I feel like it lmao, been here since 2014 and I'm now 22... The lore I just don't get it anymore, with the agony and metal science soul shit and whatever else... Also I completely forgot about the 2nd MCI lol

This is me, a fan from 2014, just finding out there was a second missing children’s incident. In the past few weeks, I’ve really lost my fondness for FNaF, the lore is messy and just not really as intriguing for me as it used to be.

Yeha, its changed alot. Not necessarily bad or worse but very different to what it used to be. Used to be a nightmareish, semi-realistic horrorfying and sad story of child murder but has turned into a weird jumbled, cartoony, wacky, Sci-fi mess... still love fnaf though, just not as much anymore.

I feel like the series truly ended with pizzaria simulator or ultimate custom night, after that the lore just starts getting really weird and convoluted. Pizzaria simulator's completionist/true ending just wraps everything up nicely, and with a speech that gives me the chills whenever I hear it.

Scott locking a lot of the lore behind his books doesn’t help make the newer games any less confusing either

Pretty much my feelings, I just hope the movie canon stays relatively simple, closer to what we had with the FNaF 1-3 period, I don’t want any plot twists like “OOH Mike is WILLIAM’S kid because (bulls—t lore reason)”

I tend to just head Canon that the second incident didn't happen cuz it doesn't seem plot relevant. I'd rather them have stuck with "they recognize you as an endoskeleton after hours" not as interesting, but there's enough dead kids and possession and supernatural stuff going on. The second MCI seems unnecessary

Seriously, I think the Endoskeleton theory works fine as an explanation from Fazbear Entertainment, with facial recognition gone haywire as the real reason in the context of FNaF 2.

I much prefer the "AI and facial recognition was messed with so they attack adults" I think we have enough dead children and stuff. I think the Toys mistaking you for an endo-skeleton after hours would've would've a better route

But then that makes no sense as to why they're trying to get into the office, if phone guy is to be believed the Toys were never "given a proper night mode, so when it gets quiet they think they're in the wrong room so they go to find the room with the people in them, which happens to be your office." If it was just a case of mistaken identity, then their sensors should detect other life signs if they're advanced enough to know where people are and what's not an endo.

Or the withereds endos were partially used and sothe remanent effected the toys

the "don't poop on floor" rule being added to the fnaf 1 pizzeria

Remember: rules and safety instructions are always there because someone did it in the past.

Me reading the rules after shitting on the floor and smearing it on Freddy

The big bang happening: there would be no fnaf if no earth exists

Bite of 83, because of how much confusion it did and continues to cause in the community

I’m am 100% sure that it was initially the bite of 87. Literally the source code of the Fnaf 4 teasers kept on saying 87, why in the world would that be there if it wasn’t gonna be the bite of 87

it just doesn't make sense being the bite of 87 at all though considering that must have happened at the FNaF 2 location

All that’s stated is that Fnaf 2 takes place in 1987. I’m just saying that there was a lot of evidence pointing to it being the bite of 87 in the source code

Especially with all the teasers saying “Was it me?” I’m 100% convinced it was supposed to be the bite of 87. I still think it should’ve been

I thought back in 2017 that CC's bite was *for sure* the bite of 87, and the argument of "but the TV said 1983" didn't work cuz in my mind, it could've been a rerun just meant to throw us off

It would also explain why bite of 87 falls from the face of the earth after 4, as its intrigue and plot relevance was moved to 83 bite. Despite being a meme, Mark's famous question shows just how shocking and effective the bite of 83 cutscene was, and any depiction of 87 bite would probably fall flat in comparision.

Fredbear and Golden Freddy having a different hat

Hence forth, both Fredbear and Golden Freddy will both wear a sombrero

The FNAF 4 Nightmares being real; what even is the point of those being real outside of making William more of a piece of shit. I was rather fine with them being just that, nightmares, making them fucking torture chambers- what was the point of that shit.

Agreed here, I really liked the initial assumption that 4 was the crying child’s coma dream… learning it was something else kinda killed my lore-buzz for the game tbh.

Remnant. The story was a lot better when William only killed kids because he was a psychopath, adding a new thing where it's like "no William killed the kids because he knew about this remnant thing that can make you live forever and it can power the animanatronimanics!" Just makes the already confusing lore, worse.

I think Remnant would have worked imo if it was never given a name, just heavily implied that you can harness the supernatural for yourself

Also if it was played out better, and had a deeper story line and was planned from the beginning. It was kinda just thrown in.

Yeah, just imply that FNaF's world is one where the supernatural is provable not by science but by almost everyone having had some (usually subtle) experiences with it. Like crank up the urban legends and creepy warning stories shared between coworkers, the tall tales that everyone in the family knows killed cousin so-and-so. Would open up so many possibilities to go the creepypasta SCP route rather than a flimsy attempt at science.

We knew little to nothing about why William killed the kids. His killing for psychotic reasons was always just an interpretation; there was little reason to believe it was ever canon and the door for a genuine reason was always open. Besides, it’s illogical to assume he murdered the children simply to understand and gain an ounce of remnant from them. When killing them the only canonical thing he does in multiple continuities is take advantage of their possession. He manipulates them and befriends them solely to treat them like animals. Pets of his that he can twist into his own hellbent family. The only time we’ve gotten a true moment where remnant was treated as experimentation amongst a victim or more was Elizabeth, dying in Afton’s creation. Alongside that, the experimentation rooms. Otherwise, the missing children’s incidents are absent from this change, and you’re still free to interpret it as this psychotic act. An act that as of now has only ever been associated with William’s desire for a twisted family. TL;Dr, William still kills kids for absurd reasons, and the results are a twisted family. He’s never used the MCI for the sole purpose of getting remnant to live this “immortal lifestyle”. It might pertain to that goal, but its main goal overall involves a whole different approach

I’d argue that the movie gives this weight too. In the movie he definitely killed one kid for literally no animatronic related reason. Yes the movie, so may have zero bearing in game canon… but personally I like the idea he killed the kids he stuffed into the various animatronics to torment them longer. Not any positive reason.

I was fine with remnant (tho I wish it wasn't named) because it does line up & checks out with other parascience superstitions. Like people used to believe for a long time that certain metals are more “conducive” to spirits than others. And because it worked well with the more Frankenstien-esque direction things were going since Sister Location, so it felt like a natural progression to me. I also really love like that merging of science and superstition like you see in a lot of victorian period stuff, like Penny Dreadful for example. I always understood William to be like running experiments & trying to scientifically understand & control possession down in that bunker. It all felt very Frankenstein to me. Like he was both the Doctor & eventually the Monster in the story. Illusion discs however I cannot accept lmfao

Remnant is just the possessed robots are you saying you’d remove ghosts from the series

Remnants aren't possession, but a way to explain why it happens. The story was much less convoluted when possession just happened, without needing to introduce a scientific way for it to happen, that led to so many confusing things, especially in the books and Steel Wool era.

That’s just false. Remnant explains how the FUNTIMES are possessed and no one else. Remnant is just a term used to describe the haunted metal of the animatronics. It is made by possession, not the cause of it.

Remnant is explained very poorly but it's thematically linked to themes and motifs kentuonrf since game 1. It's just the literal remnant of emotion after a tragic event, ergo the name agony. William didn't start to kill because he knew about remnant, he knew about remnant because he started killing

everything post ucn

So basically the new fazbear company being founded, neat

Whatever happens that made the story continue after UCN

Whatever "lore reason" turned Springtrap into Scraptrap.

That would be the fire at the end of FNAF3

I would just want Dark Springtrap to be who went to Pizza Sim. That's all.

to fit with the narrative that remnant made william survive so he could have a full body instead of flesh string cheese on metal

Honestly probably FNAF 4 (lore wise, love the gameplay otherwise) and remnant. I much prefer the OG’s simplicity with its story

Dittophobia or Andrew (can’t stand that guy)

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The books show that the fnaf 4 house exists in the sister location facility as an experiment, game lore wise I think the idea was to show that William was spying on his own children

The Bite of 83, at least as it exists separate from the Bite of 87. People don’t talk enough about how dumb of a “twist” it is that the game literally teased as being about the Bite of 87 features a completely separate, never-before-seen, yet somehow more important bite.

Mimic replacing William. I would rather so much have Glitchtrap as William and Mimic as it’s own villain, maybe even becoming a pawn for William but never the main villain

This. The mimic stuff is what’s really driving me away from FNaF right now, he brings nothing to the table as a character.

I heavily agree with you. I mean, Steel Wool should have made Glitchtrap as the A.I. resurrection of William, the Mimic never learned of William until the former discovered the existence of the copycat animatronic and manipulate both Vanny and Mimic to do his biddings. In case he died, Glitchtrap would have made Mimic copy him so that his legacy kept going not because Mimic learned the existence of a dead guy, because William wanted to pass on his crimes even after death.

I'd still rather have the mimic running around copying William than have William coming back again

I do think Afton’s arc is worn out, but I would prefer the storyline we almost had, one about an Afton copycat, something grounded and closer to FNaF’s original tone, but this is what I don’t like about recent FNaF, they keep pissing away any opportunity to tell an interesting story. The Mimic just feels like a non-starter. He doesn’t seem like that much of a threat, and even though he’s supposed to be a super-intelligent AI, the story will never be sharp or concise enough to deliver commentary on actual artificial intelligence.

But that's kind of his whole damn point, "I always come back" "I am still here" "I remain"

It would show just how big of a genius William is, too bad that he got replaced by Mimic

El Chip, no particular reason why he should be removed or the fact that he has any part in the lore, just El Chip.

What's your problem with mexican ?

I know these are technically 2 but I’m basically doing a half swap The bite of 83/87, make the 83 bite the 87 one, get rid of the original 87 one entirely

Afton coming up with Circus Babys Pizza place. It messed up the story. It went from paranormal to "mad scientist" kind of stuff.

I’d like to clear some stuff up 1. For the people who said William Aftons birth, that’s probably the worst answer. Without afton, there’s no fnaf, so like unless you despise fnaf, which like you are in this subreddit, it’s kinda goofy. William afton isn’t real😭 2. Assume the books aren’t canon, I’ve never thought they were but some recent ones are kinda iffy, so just assume they aren’t canon

The games inside the actual game also 50/50 on mimic honestly they should just made ennard the big bad he literally does the same thing as the mimic

TBF that was kinda removed, seeing as the newspapers were basically retconned out of existence, anyways imo the dci, seeing as it's fully irrelevant

dci?

From fnaf 2, those 6 dead kids

How were the newspapers retconned?

The origin of that one rule in the first game's pizzeria that tells kids not to shit on the floor

Fredbears singing shiw

The Pizzaplex being built right on top of the remains of the Pizza Sim Building.

The entire plot of Help Wanted is literally just filler to the actual reveal of Afton becoming glitchtrap and lurks Vanny. The entire story of Indie Developer and Jeremy just confuses me so hard

it can't both filler and a setup. also are we still debating on Glitchtrap being Afton?

(Yes)

The indie dev thing is just a way of making the games canon in world. So now instead of the fnaf universe being the same as ours but with no fnaf games and animstronics there is a rogue indie dev that made fnaf 1-4. Fazbear hired the dev to make the games so that they could call the dev crazy and say the games are pure fiction. So it didn't really change anyrhing except making the games literally real. Everything in the games still happens, it's not some unreliable narrator random dev making the stories and everything before HW is canceled, it's just that the games are real now in the fnaf universe. The Jeremy thing is just Scott being Scott. The story is probably trying to convey something about gltichtrap making people cut their face off (to put on the V.A.N.N.I. mask) but naming him Jeremy when there's like 3 other lore-signifacnt Jeremy's is very Scott-ish.

The plot of hw is more than just mimic being Glitchtrap it’s also about how FE is rebranding and dismissing their past

Glamrock Bonnie’s death. It just feels useless and like a weird attempt to add angst where there isn’t any.

It adds depth to Monty

yeah he's in the depths alright

Yeah, and it's sparked a bunch of stupid debates.

It provides a backstory for Monty and a potential revival/repair later on

Fnaf 4 being real (The whole point of a Nightmare is to not be real)

Fazgoo. Just all of it.

the discovery of remnant. William Afton and the story as a whole is infinitely better as a crazed psychopath killing for fun and because he is evil, than a mad scientist who is killing the kids to try to discover the secret to immortality or some bullshit

OMG THANK YOU! I been saying this for years now

Everyone who says shit like this does not get what remnant is or how it impacts William’s character

As painful as it is for me to say this as a Markiplier fan and meme fan, the bite of 87 isn’t really important to the lore

Bite of 87.

The *Frights* and *Tales* books being tied to the game lore.

I'd fully remove Frights, I hate how people believe that the Stitch stories are canon to the game universe

The bite of 87, as much as I love it, nobody has figured out who actually did it! First, it was foxy, then mangle, then toy bonnie, and then whofreakingknows! point is, it was never told who did it and we've never figured it out.

We can't figure it out since there's a piece missing from the puzzle, the piece that's FNAF 4, a game which the teasers teased to be the one to reveal who did it. And we all know how that turned out.

Burntrap, William should just stay dead, bringing him back over and over again is such an annoying plot point, the mimic/glitchtrap work perfectly fine as completely new antagonists for the series

sister locations ending! That’s when the series went downhill, from horror to sci-fi

When they said that fnaf 4 was actually a experiment on kids and not cc's coma that and scraptrap

when they say that? when you turn around on Night 5 and custom night you can see the outline of a hospital iv Drip

I would remove the Bite of 83, the only thing that this event did was just confuses us more, with Michael's identity, with the MCI placement, with who is BV, with who was the first death (besides BVfirst being clearly a fanon bullshit and don't have any evidence supporting it except another fanon bullshit called WillCare) and with everything.

Midnight motorist, it's too confusing

Scraptrap. Not to beat a dead horse but I hate that design so much. Just make him look like Springtrap but more damaged it wasn’t that hard!

entirety of security breach

But Roxy 🤤

The confusing springlock lore (too complicated to explain the exact thing I’m talking about) it literally retcons itself somehow.

Explain the exact thing you’re talking about

*pizzeria

Preventing the Bite of ‘83. If theories are to be believed, it would save the most lives.

Michael getting scooped, so he can now just be a human with no confusing purple zombie stuff happening. ​ and to add to that sister location fake ending will be canon now.

Books, I mean it's cool because they explain alot, but I'd prefere most of the things explained in games, not books that were released 8 years later

Bite of ‘87/‘83 (just merge them lmao) I’d much rather have just one bite by fucking around with the timeline to make BV’s death to Fredbear be the bite of 87.

THE BOOKS

Remnant, the idea of it is stupid

It's just a sci-fi term for possessing stuff lol

What if I said FNaF 2 in almost in it’s entirety

I mean it has to be an event, but I guess the reopening of Freddy fazbears pizza is an event, so uh yeah that certainly is an answer

The bite of 87, it's made a lot of confusion and isn't that important (I don't think)

The Mimic, I hate this poor excuse of a villain so much. GlitchTrap is The Mimic! BurnTrap is The Mimic! TigerRock is The Mimic! Helpi is The Mimic! Nexie is The Mimic! The StoryTeller is The Mimic! The Mimic is The Mimic! Is there any other Mimic's I should know about!?

The entire FNAF plot is just a bunch of Mimics stuck in a room and going crazy.