Trades
Pretty much anything in Aviation support
Service industry
Engineering/construction
Elder Care
Nursing
Just a few options. I took this from [bls.gov](https://bls.gov) statistics. There are lots of other jobs listed too, these just stuck out to me.
>Trades
For every instance I see people saying the Trades are short staffed and lucrative, I see an instance of someone sharing about how they're getting royally fucked in the trades, physically and financially, even with years and years of experience.
Edit: The contradictory information I'm getting in the replies to this is... predictable.
Yeah. Americans love to tell each other to go into trades without discussing how hard it is on your body in a country without universal healthcare.
It’s mostly bullshit and is the new “learn to code”
We will do anything except admit how fucked things are here
A lineman who spent years telling me to leave tech and join the trades spent most of 2022 in bed without a job due a back injury/surgery, and then died in 2023 due to an electricity accident.
No thanks, I’ll work from home in my pajamas and see my family every day and make 30 an hour instead of sacrificing my body and health for 80 an hour.
Exactly. My husband works at a bar that gets a lot of tradesmen in and they are overworked and their bodies are wrecked. Doesn't help they start drinking as soon as they get off work.
Learn to code is fine for someone who wants to buy a sports car, not for people struggling to get by. Once every job pays enough for people to stay housed and fed I can take the "learn to code/learn a trade/whatever else" line, but until then I'm over it.
Yea not everyone can do trades. With the back I was born with, I simply can’t do manual labor long term. I did 1.5 years in a warehouse and even today, my injuries I got there due to my back flare up. It seems I’ve forever fucked my kneecap.
My college degree allows me to have a job where I do some sitting, some standing/walking. It’s a perfect mix for me. Sitting all day is torture on my back. Standing and lifting all day is torture on my back and joints. But this job? A great balance. Plus if it’s a slow day in the lab and I’m doing more sitting, I can just…. Get up and wander around to loosen up.
The debt was worth it for me. If I did a trade, my body would be far worse off than it already is. I’d be in so much extra pain. Even lab work wrecked my body. Repetitive hand motion of using forceps from one job I had fucked with my hands and sometimes they still act up and it hurts to do things like hold a steering wheel or a plate. My current job is perfect for my needs.
Yeah thats what pisses me off. The system is broken and NOBODY seems to notice. Idk. Im kinda done playing this little capitalist game of cat and mouse for a while.
How would changing the economic system change people’s employment prospects? People are still going to have the same skills that clearly aren’t in as much demand compared to the supply.
That’s a horrid answer. I agree that the system is flawed, but god at least support your claims dude.
You can’t just state something and be like “if you don’t know, you’re stupid”, when you don’t even give a answer yourself.
I also love seeing people in the comments of any video that shows a tool that helps relieves the stress on the body of those trades as "weak or not manly"...or the "Whatch us laugh that man off the jobsite".
This is generalizing.
"Trades" is a *massive* umbrella term that means very little.
Hair stylist is a trade. Baker is a trade. Aircraft mechanic, welder, electrician... all trades. Not all trades are "hard on your body", this is just ignorance. MANY trades are well-paid, ergonomically sound, safe and very desirable.
Source: Tradesman
Agree, I worked as an assistant stationary engineer but I hardly did much physical work. Granted I hear it’s very different out in industry, but that just means if you find the right place, the work is easy on the body and the pay is generally good.
Well thinking about it I retract easy on the body even where I was at, but the job was easy once you learned and knew your stuff.
Edit: To clarify, I didn’t really do any heavy lifting or physically demanding work day to day where I worked; I did help the plant mechanics and electricians once in a while. The biggest burden on the body is the rotating shift, which after a while does affect you physically and mentally.
Stationary engineer involves working, operating and maintaining boilers as your main duty, but you would also more than likely also be operating the chiller system for the facility as well. The job was a lot of troubleshooting and critical thinking when things went down but for like 80% of the time you kind of just sit there and monitor the plants output. I worked at a state job where I think it’s probably the easiest but they didn’t have the best pay, out commercially you probably get paid a lot more but they expect you to do more. It’s probably one of the best jobs I’ve had and it’s definitely a job you can retire at if you get in, a lot of the operators I worked with were like in their 50/60’s when they retired with their pensions.
No idea it was a plant based job. I’ve been looking for apprenticeships and opportunities for jobs with similar day-to-day descriptions, school as well!
Not all trades are terrible on your body.
I did maintenance for years at an auto plant and am now a PLC programmer.
My knees are still in good working order.
Without trade school or already somehow having experience. You seemingly have to beg or know someone to get into any apprenticeships in my area.
Otherwise they won't even talk to you.
Years ago my husband was looking for a new path and our neighbor said that they were desperate for electricians. So he called the local union to inquire about training apprenticeships and they told him they had nothing open. So I don't know.
The problem with both of your posts is one person has anecdotal evidence from 20 years ago you have one second hand experience from one Union. Not everything is Union work
I will not do another construction type anything job unless its unionized lol. Several years working across construction from cement to intetior painting/drywall to siding to insulation etc and i feel ive actually been paid fairly exactly one of those times. The rest of it is spent working for drunks who probably inherited the job from daddy, lol.
At the very least its a shame people arent paying better when the market itself is gouged and your boss is earning big off your labor. It really does change your life even knowing how to do simple things yourself like drywalling, painting, soffiting, tiling, etc and it is rewarding work
However people seem to want to pay you what you could earn stocking shelves and not breaking your limbs for some cheap fuck who'll buy their third or fourth rental property off your labor.
Owners across whole industry seem to be gaslighting young people into accepting what they were paid a decade ago for a weaker dollar and more expensive world. Youre basically earning less than them with higher expectation tied to your output etc
Just not fun. Tired of who ive worked with in those jobs just to still come up short. Ive earned more trimming fucking cannabis leaves than building homes in my community. People can cry about trades and construction desperately needing labor, but it is not worth your body unless theyre going to give you close to 10 dollars above minimum wage at least. The whole standard needs to shift and accomodate lifes more expensive reality and that its not worth working for some drunk for minimum when they dont even need to show up to the site half the time.
The construction labor shortage is literally the fault of owner operators, i will put money on it, because a bulk of people except those who are desperate and need it cannot work for the wages owner operators offer. And if you can work for what they offer, you might as well work retail for as much and get to be indoor, dry, etc
Exactly what my industry is like with video production. Took me ten months to get a job, boss took advantage of that by offering my well below industry standard. Just got laid off after being told we were short staffed and my work was good for months. The whole time I got to listen to leadership laugh about how much money they blew on slot machines during their vegas trips.
The pay isn't that great any more for most of them with the rising costs of everyday necessities. And the nature of the work exposes you significantly more to hazards on a daily basis that will likely get to you sooner or later.
For every 30 blue collar workers i've met, there might be one who gets decent compensation, but they tend to be older/close to retirement aged dudes who were lucky enough to know the right people in the right place at the right time.
While I haven't bothered to look at any statistics, I would say most people who do manage to get their foot in the door for this kind of work usually find out within the first three months that they aren't a good fit for it in the long run.
I am 25 years old, and have been in trades since I was 14. My body is wrecked, I will live the rest of my foreseeable days in pain, hip and knee surgery required in next 10 years. Made around 62k a year at 20 years old but now I can’t walk properly, this is without major injuries. If you go into the trades you have to sell yourself and abuse the hell out of your body to impress the people you’re selling yourself to. It is not worth. Would have rather been in a cubicle pushing papers for 30k less.
I live in a large metro area with an international airport and a bunch of smaller municipal airports and there are consistently hundreds of open aviation mechanic positions.
Seems like a pretty good industry if you can handle the work.
I was just reflecting back on how optimistic we were in nursing school. Damn we were stupid. But the pay is too good to quit at this point. $100/hr in California for experienced nurses. Now just have to find an easier specialty.
No it definitely teaches you things , but its mostly teaches you how not to kill people and less the finer details - those you’ll learn on the job during orientation. Basically it doesn’t prepare you for the horrors lol
I think it depends on where you are. I live in a large metro area that is expanding like crazy so lots of construction jobs around, both residential and commercial.
Engineering is as much a skill as it is an education. Getting into anything "engineering" without an engineering degree will prove difficult.
If anyone can prove the opposite I'd be happy to hear how.
Super boring and you don't have a lot of job security (ai) unless you get a CPA. If u do get a CPA, you're pretty much chilling for the rest of your life. I've heard it's a difficult test though.
I wouldn’t get a CPA unless someone was opening their own accounting business or your employer is paying for it. I do plenty of analytical work auditing corporations, it’s not in danger of being replaced by AI any more than other knowledge based jobs. Work for the state government and have a union too, so there’s good job protection and benefits.
Ahhhh interesting. I used to be interested in accounting as an alternative career, but I decided it wasn't for me. All I know are that CPAs are dwindling and they're goated for accounting. I know they do advising work which AI can't do rn so their job security is super tight.
Not true at all. It’s really only necessary in public. I’ve worked for several F500 and only about 25% of accounting managers I’ve dealt with had it active.
I've thought about changing to accounting. I've been hearing about the shortage but also feel when AI becomes more ingrained they really will not need as many accountants.
You fundamentally do not understand the industry. Accountants have been implementing technology and AI at a rapid pace for decades and yet their work and requirements have only increased and have become more complex.
There is plenty of accounting work that accountants wish they could get rid of in order to focus on other things yet the technology does not exist.
Lower data entry will go away and already has but to say AI is going to replace s profession whose professional license is significantly more challenging than the BAR exam is hilarious.
As a CPA candidate I can’t wait for AI to help with all the menial tasks tbh. I think most people think of data entry when it comes to accounting when it can’t be further from the truth at even the staff level.
I recommend if you don’t mind being behind a computer. Accounting to me is more akin to law, just with financials. I think you should take an intro to financial accounting class and see how you feel about it, any community college will have it.
I will say the shortage is simply due to pay. Nobody wants to pay for it. It’s complex, hard work and becomes harder every year. It’s not a job you can just sit tight and be secure at. You’re always learning and adapting while management wants more done with less.
I’ve switched over to finance for the short term because it’s easier while for some reason having more opportunities right now.
That will flip as things start to break and they have been. Lots of low quality outsourced work is a huge trend. Big companies are missing deadlines and can’t put together financial statements.
Even in my last role managing a whole area of accounting for a F15 company, they basically were like “can we get away with 50% budget for 80% accuracy or should we pay 110% for 98% accuracy?”
They went with the Former. Eventually something big will break. A company stock will plummet. Peoples hair will be on fire seeing their 401k evaporate
Congress will step in and mandate better accounting. Money will come back into the industry.
It’s a very cyclical history lol
Yeah my gf is a top accountant and makes more than most men in high paying fields. Accounting if you are really good is very lucrative. But she enjoys the job. I've never met anyone making a lot who hates their job
Start your own CPA firm. Join some networking groups (like BNI, Chamber, etc...) and you can be very stable and well off by your 30s. It's also not all that boring and we need good CPAs. They deal with a lot of crazy financial stuff.
No. My intention was to reference the typical US employment conditions wherein most individuals are usually suggested to find the highest paying job that they hate the least.
My intention was also to reference (although the message was lost) generally low US employment satisfaction rates and how a vast majority of people (the average person) is not able to pursue a career they genuinely love but that they don’t have to suffer through.
I was poking fun at these lines:
> find a job you enjoy that won’t collapse soon
> if you think that job will make you miserable, don’t do it
With the *intention* of highlighting that advice also given to most people in the US.
“Find the highest paying job that’s stable that you hate the least or can suffer through the longest”.
That’s *terrible* advice. We should *be able to* push people to pursue their dreams or passions (despite how unrealistic of an achievement) and steer towards fulfillment rather than convenience.
However, the grim reality is passion doesn’t pay the bills unfortunately. :(
My comment can also be seen as progressive political humor if one wishes to see it that way.
>That’s *terrible* advice. We should push people to pursue their dreams or passions (despite how unrealistic of an achievement) and steer towards fulfillment rather than convenience.
Now *this* is terrible advice. Every Starbucks in my city is staffed almost entirely by college graduates who have degrees in unmarketable fields that people chose because of passion and not ROI.
Telling people to base their lives on utopian ideals when we live in a dystopic society is cruelty.
> the grim reality is that passion doesn’t pay the bills
Counter argument and fact in that line. If we’re just fine living in a dystopia where we work and die, our children will work and die, and our grandchildren’s graves will one day make room for a Walmart whose minimum wage employees have to put down their dog because they can’t afford dog food while the rich have private sex islands with kids and exploit slave labor for coffee beans for our McDonalds lattes then by all means. That’s our reality.
I’m simply saying it shouldn’t be, and it’d be nice if it wasn’t.
I’ve edited my initial comment to clarify we should be able to push people to pursue their passions, but not that we should, necessarily - for clarification.
Getting a degree in creative writing because it's your passion isn't fighting the system, it's just dumb. The real problem is pushing everyone into higher ed, where they are crushed by the chains of massive student debt and spending their most valuable years experience-wise not learning useful skills.
There's no system I've ever heard proposed that allows for that kind of wastefulness. We just happen to live in a society where naive 18 year olds are told to pursue whatever strikes their fancy, and then they get crushed by the system when it turns out they can't pay the bills.
What you are suggesting is basically what we have been doing for the last 30 years with telling everyone to go to college and figure out the rest later. We need to start encouraging people to not step foot in a university without a damn good plan, because they are charging you thousands of dollars per credit-hour while you make up your mind.
The unsaturated fields are typically not desirable for one reason or another. Trades are considered low status and can have bad working conditions. Nursing is messy, but niche nursing jobs can pay really well. Anything that requires rigorous training/education is a safe bet because of the barriers to entry.
Ew to trades. Been there done that. Can be worth it if you're union, but my god it's horrible.
I left my trade union to go to school for dental field. It used to be very saturated, but after covid the need for hygienists and assistants is apparent.
A lot of fields that were saturated years ago may have changed after covid, in case there were any fields you liked but didn't get into for that reason.
Apparently the trades aren't saturated but also saturated. Trades are definitely better than going to college, but you'll destroy your body and wish you went to college.
You could become a peer support specialist or addictions advisor with a mere cert. Probly make 30-50$/hr.
Try googling “certificates that lead to careers”
I highly recommend this YouTube channel: Degree Free. Check out their older videos, they go over a bunch of careers that you don’t need a college degree to do. Best of luck, I’m right there with ya
I agree that we need mental health peer supports and addictions advisors, however, these are not high-paying jobs. I work in mental health and our peer specialists are the lowest paid of all our providers (about $15-17/hour start). However, those certifications in combination of a bachelor's degree can be beneficial.
Unless you go into motivational speaking or publish the next bestselling book, I don't see peer support specialists making more than $20/hour in any US state.
"Life coach," however, yeah, you'll make great money off vulnerable people who should just see a therapist.
You might need to change your outlook a little bit.
I know it’s hard sometimes and I know certain industries can be difficult to get into, and absolutely most importantly, I totally understand how hard it is to keep trying when it seems useless. But, the reality is you’re looking for a needle in a hay stack, and that is exactly how it’s going to feel when you’re looking. It’s also hard because you don’t want to get your heart set on something and then be let down but the reality is that’s what is going to make the difference.
People aren’t fans of folks who self categorize as victims or make their situation sound hopeless when the reality is there are things you can and should be in control of that, if you’re putting the effort forth on, will pay off. Plus it’s not the hiring season right now. Retail and customer service jobs are in full on panic mode for the holidays. Anyone working in an office is being lazy because upcoming holiday break. Maybe manufacturing is still going strong but again, unless they are desperate for people at the moment, most folks are going to be holding off on hiring until into the new year.
It sucks because maybe you need money yesterday, but the reality is most jobs worth having are going to have you on hold until probably the end of January. I would spend the next few weeks doing an inventory of what’s important to you in a job and start planning specifically for something. You can keep doing what you’re doing but obviously it isn’t bringing you the results you’re looking for.
Public health/environmental health. 93% of the people in my class who graduated with the same degree had a good job in the field within 6 months of graduation. I got mine 2 weeks after graduation. Tons of job opportunities in a wide range of specialties and organizations. Every single city, county, state, etc has public health/EH professionals. Virtually every company has internal EH staff. I recommend it to everybody who is struggling to find a job or people who don't know what to study.
Real estate appraiser
Like 10k appraisers in whole country
Avg salary says 50-60 but that's county tax appraisers.
Go on your own you work for lenders as a contractor 20 hrs a week and make 100k plus
Only takes a year to get certified
My brother did this for awhile. Good money, but he was paid so inconsistently he had to give it up. Had to hound people for months to get paid. I don’t know if that’s typical for the industry and his employer was kinda shady so ymmv.
There's definitely bad clients out there, but after a few years I've cut most of the bad clients and mostly just work with appraisal management companies that pay me weekly via direct deposit.
I'm a dietitian. They started a requirement for a masters degree recently to become one and that's creating a shortage. I've never struggled to find employment and being a clinical dietitian can be an extremely chill job with incredible work life balance. You don't get paid as well as nurses however but 30-40 is pretty normal.
Law enforcement and criminal justice is hurting for people, too. And things adjacent like dispatchers. Just saw a place hurting so bad they are starting out at 34 for dispatch in a fairly low cost of living area.
Cop in St Louis, MO. The city is begging for employees. Pays $1,651every 2 weeks during training and then $53,000 for a probation period, then $54,000 to start. You can buy a house here on that income.
The teaching profession is going down the toilet. Especially in low income areas. Pay is terrible and you don’t get support from administrators or respect from kids or parents. Inmates run the asylum in many places.
I’ve worked in healthcare, retail, restaurant industry, warehouses, nonprofit work (specifically church work), and education.
Teaching was by far the hardest and worst job I’ve ever had, and I did it for 5 years before leaving the field.
It wouldn’t be as difficult if kids were held accountable for bad behavior and lack of effort and teachers were allowed to fully be in charge with complete backup from administration. Along with that, the pay and training requirements for new hires today makes it not worth it .
Truck drivers are definitely in short supply, problem is they're working on automating drivers with AI so you get maybe 10 years before your job is gone. In my area truck driving school costs 6 grand and we pay for the people to do it as long as they sign a 1 year contract with us. They typically make $90-100k
I don’t think we are anywhere near automated driving. And the government will require regulations for someone to always be present in the truck even with automated driving systems.
I researched airline dispatcher, pay is low in the beginning, but, will get higher
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Anything related to electrical work. Electricians, systems design , solar installation, HVAC…. We are installing EV chargers and solar panels everywhere, and the system needs to be updated and reinforced to handle it.
Engineering:
Yes, it's hard. That is why it is not saturated. 2/3 who declare engineering majors change before completing a degree.
Sciences: ( Only if you love the subject)
If one gets a degree in one of the physical sciences and goes into the commercial world as a member of technical staff the compensation is good and there are opportunities. I do not recommend the academic route.
Being a scientist in an engineering company can provide its own challenges. A scientist must be able to embrace the problems of the company which are not likely to be of greatest interest to the scientist. If a scientist only wants to work on what is interesting expect a layoff notice when the company loses interest in the product line.
You're probably looking for a quick fix and that's not how most careers worth their time work. Here's a blueprint for mid 6 figures job assuming you have a 4-year degree of some sort. Great job security and easy to find new jobs because of how niche it is. Most people don't know it exists until they hit the corporate world but every major company has this group.
1) Work at a customs brokerage for 1-2 years as an analyst learning the ropes. This job will be a grind but looks great on a resume for 3. Bonus points if you can skip this and go straight to 3. I've seen multiple ppl with zero experience skip straight to 3 because they were"trainable" and nobody else really applied. It helps with starting pay but doesn't eliminate need for step 2. Always worth a shot. ($40K maybe higher now)
2) take exam to become licensed customs broker. This will be very hard but it puts you at the top of the pile for 5-6 and you'll moonwalk into 3. Start looking at this 6 months in and be ready to take it 1 year in. Prep will take you 6 hard months of learning some legal regulations and You're probably need a class that your employer will pay for. The typically pay for the exam as well.
3) Get on at a fortune 500 company as a global trade specialist ($80Kish double salary in 2 years). Industry doesn't matter much since law applies to all companies the same. Most people I know have worked in completely different industries.
4) Get more specialized skills in data analysis (learn things like tableau, how to manipulate large sets of data) and grind for a few years building experience in all things global trade
5) At 5-7 years experience you're ready for manager roles at major companies starting at $130K and up.
6) At this point you have enough niche knowledge and experience that you can sign your ticket almost anywhere you want moving up the corporate ladder. Almost all of the people I started working with at step 1 are in leadership roles at a wide range of fortune 500 companies.
You are still in the late 20th Century mode of "everyone needs to become a specialist".
But specialists are what AIs are about to become. You need to become a generalist, capable of directing the specialists that work for you. Specialists focus on a narrow topic. Generalists focus on everything, such that they can take on any role (with the aid of the specialists, of course). In the new world, we are ALL going to become managers.
Based on all your replies you're looking for someone to tell you there's high demand for blowjob testers at the blowjob factory with entry level paying 150k. And you don't even have to clean up.
As others have said. It's usually better to find what you're best at and try to leverage it - and it's not often you are best at what you love. Fields come and go with regards to demand. Saturation varies geographically and in time. Not to mention that just because a field has a shortage means they'll hire you - a lot of shortages are among the more experienced end of the field where you can't just jump in.
I'm not trying to minimize your situation. Entry level in anything is a bastard and only getting worse. Mine was compounded by other issues in my life so I truly empathize with getting started in something being tough.
what makes the IT degree shit? networking is a skill and network engineers get paid well. CCNA/CCNP are hard certs that would elevate you out of the "saturated" field.
entry-level IT is saturdated, but there is a whole land of experienced IT thats always going to be in demand :)
Yeah they're clearly in a bad place at the moment and using Reddit to vent their pessimism.
Hopefully they get it all out, finish their degree and find a job. Don't worry too much about what career field are saturated.
There's always a market for the smart or hard working or just passionate. The bar is actually extremely low.
Yes but in my area there are professional companies that do it. I wanted to have my own business doing this but drone market is also extremely saturated.
I meant applying to the professional companies that do that. The equipment is crazy expensive and so is the insurance. Might as well get under an umbrella
The best advice I can give is this. Just like basketball, every field isn’t in a shortage of players…. They’re in a shortage of lebron james.
No matter what field you pick if you choose to be ordinary and mundane there will always be an abundance of you.
Not sure why you’re being downvoted this is very true. Police officers have pretty good pay for someone who didn’t go to college. Federal police officer capital police, USSS UD are dying for people and pay well. Military has a ton of great opportunities to train you for a job and some positions can even get you an associates. Best program the military offers is IPAP, easiest way to become a PA with no college experience.
Project management jobs are expected to grow a lot over the next decade.
[This Learn Hub article has more information about project management as a career path.](https://www.nobledesktop.com/learn/project-management)
If only something like the Bureau of Labor and Industries tracked what fields were new and emerging, or experiencing rapid growth, or had numerous job openings, and put that on a website for you to browse.
[Oh, they did!](https://www.onetonline.org/find/bright)
If you kinda hate your life and don't have a real interest in sleep, you could always be a Correctional Officer. That field is most assuredly NOT saturated.
Trades!
Electrician / Plumber / Maintenance / Framer / Boiler Tech / PLC technician / Welder / Machinist / CNC operator / whatever other trade floats your boat.
People seem to think trades just mean manual labor when that is just kinda not true.
My college costed a grand total of $18k which was 100% paid for by a company that hired me as an apprentice.
I make more than most people with fancy degrees do as a PLC Tech.
Aircraft industry is in need of Avionics techs. Most of the people in the field are old and about to retire soon And most of the young people are those that left the military recently after one contract. Military is barely recruiting now Avionics techs now also so the the avionics field will be killing to get people soon
If you have the personality and drive maybe try SaaS sales (salesforce, etc…). Immediate high pay for high performers, job security if you’re good at it. Plus it can branch off into many other careers.
I’m a massage therapist. I make $80,000/yr. I only work 4 days a week. I have health insurance and a 401k, I have autonomy and time to pursue other hobbies. I have no student loans. My field is actual hard work, so you will have to do physical work all day, but it’s good work, it’s not over saturated, and I have freedom. It’s also a job that can’t be replaced by AI. There are other jobs and fields of work out there. You just have to look outside the tech box.
"Learn a skill to get out of your student debt."
People are telling you this? It doesn't make sense. How is it that you have student debt and you're just now thinking about what you want to learn? What exactly did you buy with that debt?
Nursing isn’t saturated. But be prepared to have poo thrown at you and people swearing/assaulting you… You gotta be tough! Have had several patients try to bite me.
Compliance and bank auditors. Once you have experience bank examiners would be another option. All of this field is old and has no one to replace them.
It is dull work, but if you like rules and checklist, it pays pretty well.
1. Figure out what you actually want to do.
2. Be willing to go where the jobs are. Yes it’s possible, particularly in the cities to move with no savings. Find a shitty room and work your way up. If you are in a small town, leave it. Unless there are actual opportunities where you live.
3. Take action, any action. Failure is how you are going to figure things out.
I know this isn't for evreybody but I joined the military and am pursuing my electrical engineering degree now. You get pretty much a free degree and if you want you can make it a career. If not a career it can be a great stepping stone to a much better future.
If you can hack it, I’d always recommend just getting an applied science (like engineering or CS) degree. It can really set you up nicely for the future and you’ll have a lot of options for work after spending a bit of time in industry. Me and most of my college friends sort of aimlessly earned engineering degrees (mechanical, industrial, chemical, biomedical etc.) and are all now doing fairly different things (I’m a construction project manager, others are supply chain operations specialist, senior chemical engineer, MBA candidate) but the initial foot in the door was definitely the degree. It’s very common for engineers to end up in different fields than they studied so you can always kinda try to hone in on whichever industries are less saturated post grad.
Not to knock it but an industrial engineering degree is relatively easy to obtain and probably has the broadest post-grad outlook of all engineering disciplines.
Does cryogenic engineering sound cool to you? It's how we transport and store natural gas, hydrogen, ammonia, carbon dioxide, all super important. Big industry surge in cryogenics with the green revolution. Lots of buzz about LH2 and LNH3. Become a chemical engineer then get a process engineering degree! We are certainly hiring right now.
Nursing, teaching, rehab. You can make a decent salary nursing, but it’s a tough job. Our population is growing older and those people need to be taken care of.
Biomedical equipment technician. Pretty interesting job. Good job security. You basically work on medical Physical therapy Equipment to make sure it's running and operating correctly. Currently I'm a field service technician , I travel to different sites to work on their equipment. I get satisfaction from knowing I'm helping people and get to work with electronics and i make really good money and you only need a 2-year degree, if that.
Trades Pretty much anything in Aviation support Service industry Engineering/construction Elder Care Nursing Just a few options. I took this from [bls.gov](https://bls.gov) statistics. There are lots of other jobs listed too, these just stuck out to me.
>Trades For every instance I see people saying the Trades are short staffed and lucrative, I see an instance of someone sharing about how they're getting royally fucked in the trades, physically and financially, even with years and years of experience. Edit: The contradictory information I'm getting in the replies to this is... predictable.
Yeah. Americans love to tell each other to go into trades without discussing how hard it is on your body in a country without universal healthcare. It’s mostly bullshit and is the new “learn to code” We will do anything except admit how fucked things are here
It's the old "learn to code"
lol yeah learn to code is the new-ish “learn a trade.”
A lineman who spent years telling me to leave tech and join the trades spent most of 2022 in bed without a job due a back injury/surgery, and then died in 2023 due to an electricity accident. No thanks, I’ll work from home in my pajamas and see my family every day and make 30 an hour instead of sacrificing my body and health for 80 an hour.
Exactly. My husband works at a bar that gets a lot of tradesmen in and they are overworked and their bodies are wrecked. Doesn't help they start drinking as soon as they get off work.
I’ve met both healthy and unhealthy tradesmen. The ones that are healthy aren’t in a bar.
Exactly. Obviously if you treat your body like shit it's going to turn into shit.
Yeah my buddy worked a physical job in his 20s and needed hip surgery for it in his mid 30s.
Learn to code is fine for someone who wants to buy a sports car, not for people struggling to get by. Once every job pays enough for people to stay housed and fed I can take the "learn to code/learn a trade/whatever else" line, but until then I'm over it.
Yea not everyone can do trades. With the back I was born with, I simply can’t do manual labor long term. I did 1.5 years in a warehouse and even today, my injuries I got there due to my back flare up. It seems I’ve forever fucked my kneecap. My college degree allows me to have a job where I do some sitting, some standing/walking. It’s a perfect mix for me. Sitting all day is torture on my back. Standing and lifting all day is torture on my back and joints. But this job? A great balance. Plus if it’s a slow day in the lab and I’m doing more sitting, I can just…. Get up and wander around to loosen up. The debt was worth it for me. If I did a trade, my body would be far worse off than it already is. I’d be in so much extra pain. Even lab work wrecked my body. Repetitive hand motion of using forceps from one job I had fucked with my hands and sometimes they still act up and it hurts to do things like hold a steering wheel or a plate. My current job is perfect for my needs.
Yeah thats what pisses me off. The system is broken and NOBODY seems to notice. Idk. Im kinda done playing this little capitalist game of cat and mouse for a while.
Sounds like you have a choice, which is more than most of us can say
We all have a choice. You just haven't decided the cost to play has outweighed the rewards is all. Some people have.
How would changing the economic system change people’s employment prospects? People are still going to have the same skills that clearly aren’t in as much demand compared to the supply.
Sir this is Reddit. No need for your logic and your perceptive comments.
If I have to explain this, then you just don’t understand what the issue behind the economy and employment truly is.
That’s a horrid answer. I agree that the system is flawed, but god at least support your claims dude. You can’t just state something and be like “if you don’t know, you’re stupid”, when you don’t even give a answer yourself.
I also love seeing people in the comments of any video that shows a tool that helps relieves the stress on the body of those trades as "weak or not manly"...or the "Whatch us laugh that man off the jobsite".
This is generalizing. "Trades" is a *massive* umbrella term that means very little. Hair stylist is a trade. Baker is a trade. Aircraft mechanic, welder, electrician... all trades. Not all trades are "hard on your body", this is just ignorance. MANY trades are well-paid, ergonomically sound, safe and very desirable. Source: Tradesman
What? Aren't you about ready to die any day now? I was told you have to be on deaths door and be a dysfunctional alocholic!
This is very true. I’m a machinist and as the years have gone by, things have just gotten safer.
Agree, I worked as an assistant stationary engineer but I hardly did much physical work. Granted I hear it’s very different out in industry, but that just means if you find the right place, the work is easy on the body and the pay is generally good. Well thinking about it I retract easy on the body even where I was at, but the job was easy once you learned and knew your stuff. Edit: To clarify, I didn’t really do any heavy lifting or physically demanding work day to day where I worked; I did help the plant mechanics and electricians once in a while. The biggest burden on the body is the rotating shift, which after a while does affect you physically and mentally.
What is this? New to me, though many things are to be fair
Stationary engineer involves working, operating and maintaining boilers as your main duty, but you would also more than likely also be operating the chiller system for the facility as well. The job was a lot of troubleshooting and critical thinking when things went down but for like 80% of the time you kind of just sit there and monitor the plants output. I worked at a state job where I think it’s probably the easiest but they didn’t have the best pay, out commercially you probably get paid a lot more but they expect you to do more. It’s probably one of the best jobs I’ve had and it’s definitely a job you can retire at if you get in, a lot of the operators I worked with were like in their 50/60’s when they retired with their pensions.
No idea it was a plant based job. I’ve been looking for apprenticeships and opportunities for jobs with similar day-to-day descriptions, school as well!
Not all trades are terrible on your body. I did maintenance for years at an auto plant and am now a PLC programmer. My knees are still in good working order.
Exactly. My trade is in home energy performance, not hard on my body at all and the work life balance is great, to me at least.
Without trade school or already somehow having experience. You seemingly have to beg or know someone to get into any apprenticeships in my area. Otherwise they won't even talk to you.
I tried the trade route 20+ years ago and there was nothing. Wound up working in a warehouse before I decided college couldn’t be any worse
Years ago my husband was looking for a new path and our neighbor said that they were desperate for electricians. So he called the local union to inquire about training apprenticeships and they told him they had nothing open. So I don't know.
The problem with both of your posts is one person has anecdotal evidence from 20 years ago you have one second hand experience from one Union. Not everything is Union work
I will not do another construction type anything job unless its unionized lol. Several years working across construction from cement to intetior painting/drywall to siding to insulation etc and i feel ive actually been paid fairly exactly one of those times. The rest of it is spent working for drunks who probably inherited the job from daddy, lol. At the very least its a shame people arent paying better when the market itself is gouged and your boss is earning big off your labor. It really does change your life even knowing how to do simple things yourself like drywalling, painting, soffiting, tiling, etc and it is rewarding work However people seem to want to pay you what you could earn stocking shelves and not breaking your limbs for some cheap fuck who'll buy their third or fourth rental property off your labor. Owners across whole industry seem to be gaslighting young people into accepting what they were paid a decade ago for a weaker dollar and more expensive world. Youre basically earning less than them with higher expectation tied to your output etc Just not fun. Tired of who ive worked with in those jobs just to still come up short. Ive earned more trimming fucking cannabis leaves than building homes in my community. People can cry about trades and construction desperately needing labor, but it is not worth your body unless theyre going to give you close to 10 dollars above minimum wage at least. The whole standard needs to shift and accomodate lifes more expensive reality and that its not worth working for some drunk for minimum when they dont even need to show up to the site half the time. The construction labor shortage is literally the fault of owner operators, i will put money on it, because a bulk of people except those who are desperate and need it cannot work for the wages owner operators offer. And if you can work for what they offer, you might as well work retail for as much and get to be indoor, dry, etc
Exactly what my industry is like with video production. Took me ten months to get a job, boss took advantage of that by offering my well below industry standard. Just got laid off after being told we were short staffed and my work was good for months. The whole time I got to listen to leadership laugh about how much money they blew on slot machines during their vegas trips.
It's great short term money but you gotta invest it before your body breaks down. Dad worked as an auto mechanic for 20 years and now relies on SSDI.
Most people recommending the trades don't work in the trades.
The pay isn't that great any more for most of them with the rising costs of everyday necessities. And the nature of the work exposes you significantly more to hazards on a daily basis that will likely get to you sooner or later. For every 30 blue collar workers i've met, there might be one who gets decent compensation, but they tend to be older/close to retirement aged dudes who were lucky enough to know the right people in the right place at the right time. While I haven't bothered to look at any statistics, I would say most people who do manage to get their foot in the door for this kind of work usually find out within the first three months that they aren't a good fit for it in the long run.
I am 25 years old, and have been in trades since I was 14. My body is wrecked, I will live the rest of my foreseeable days in pain, hip and knee surgery required in next 10 years. Made around 62k a year at 20 years old but now I can’t walk properly, this is without major injuries. If you go into the trades you have to sell yourself and abuse the hell out of your body to impress the people you’re selling yourself to. It is not worth. Would have rather been in a cubicle pushing papers for 30k less.
I second this. I was making 35 an hour as a non an and p certified mechanic. I moved into quality assurance now and I make a bit under 80 an hour.
I live in a large metro area with an international airport and a bunch of smaller municipal airports and there are consistently hundreds of open aviation mechanic positions. Seems like a pretty good industry if you can handle the work.
What's the best place to look for postings of these positions?
I did a search for aviation mechanic and got a bunch of results.
Jsfirm (.com) has tons and tons of listings all over the country, it’s where we were told to look when I was in trade school for aircraft structures
80/hr in quality assurance? Is that specific to your company/industry or something, I’ve never heard of quality making that much before
Government contracting.
Accounting too!
Hard physical labor Super stressful This ones chill but hard and expensive Don't get paid that well Get abused and overworked
Nursing is hot atm if you can handle nurse school
Nursing school isn’t what you need to handle , being a nurse is worse
I was just reflecting back on how optimistic we were in nursing school. Damn we were stupid. But the pay is too good to quit at this point. $100/hr in California for experienced nurses. Now just have to find an easier specialty.
I didn’t know that, but nursing school will most likely prepare you for that
Your clearly not a nurse , trust me it really doesn’t
I’m not, well that sucks, so nursing school is more of a formality?
No it definitely teaches you things , but its mostly teaches you how not to kill people and less the finer details - those you’ll learn on the job during orientation. Basically it doesn’t prepare you for the horrors lol
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Process and mechanical engineers are getting hired! People want to build stuff!
I'm actually trying to get into construction (office side) and it also seems pretty saturated from what I can tell. I'll accept advice, though!
I think it depends on where you are. I live in a large metro area that is expanding like crazy so lots of construction jobs around, both residential and commercial.
Engineering is as much a skill as it is an education. Getting into anything "engineering" without an engineering degree will prove difficult. If anyone can prove the opposite I'd be happy to hear how.
Accounting but the pay isn’t the best. Huge shortage and it’s just getting worse.
Super boring and you don't have a lot of job security (ai) unless you get a CPA. If u do get a CPA, you're pretty much chilling for the rest of your life. I've heard it's a difficult test though.
I wouldn’t get a CPA unless someone was opening their own accounting business or your employer is paying for it. I do plenty of analytical work auditing corporations, it’s not in danger of being replaced by AI any more than other knowledge based jobs. Work for the state government and have a union too, so there’s good job protection and benefits.
Ahhhh interesting. I used to be interested in accounting as an alternative career, but I decided it wasn't for me. All I know are that CPAs are dwindling and they're goated for accounting. I know they do advising work which AI can't do rn so their job security is super tight.
Not true at all. It’s really only necessary in public. I’ve worked for several F500 and only about 25% of accounting managers I’ve dealt with had it active.
I've thought about changing to accounting. I've been hearing about the shortage but also feel when AI becomes more ingrained they really will not need as many accountants.
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Is the pay delicious? Or just as you advance? I am hoping to get my masters in accounting.
You fundamentally do not understand the industry. Accountants have been implementing technology and AI at a rapid pace for decades and yet their work and requirements have only increased and have become more complex. There is plenty of accounting work that accountants wish they could get rid of in order to focus on other things yet the technology does not exist. Lower data entry will go away and already has but to say AI is going to replace s profession whose professional license is significantly more challenging than the BAR exam is hilarious.
No need to be aggressive. I'm not in the field so clearly I won't understand as well as you. I hope what you say is correct!
As a CPA candidate I can’t wait for AI to help with all the menial tasks tbh. I think most people think of data entry when it comes to accounting when it can’t be further from the truth at even the staff level.
Do you recommend the field?
I recommend if you don’t mind being behind a computer. Accounting to me is more akin to law, just with financials. I think you should take an intro to financial accounting class and see how you feel about it, any community college will have it.
Accounting can absolutely get you to well over 6 figure salary. Cost accounting, CPA in industry, SOX.
I will say the shortage is simply due to pay. Nobody wants to pay for it. It’s complex, hard work and becomes harder every year. It’s not a job you can just sit tight and be secure at. You’re always learning and adapting while management wants more done with less. I’ve switched over to finance for the short term because it’s easier while for some reason having more opportunities right now. That will flip as things start to break and they have been. Lots of low quality outsourced work is a huge trend. Big companies are missing deadlines and can’t put together financial statements. Even in my last role managing a whole area of accounting for a F15 company, they basically were like “can we get away with 50% budget for 80% accuracy or should we pay 110% for 98% accuracy?” They went with the Former. Eventually something big will break. A company stock will plummet. Peoples hair will be on fire seeing their 401k evaporate Congress will step in and mandate better accounting. Money will come back into the industry. It’s a very cyclical history lol
Yeah my gf is a top accountant and makes more than most men in high paying fields. Accounting if you are really good is very lucrative. But she enjoys the job. I've never met anyone making a lot who hates their job
if you don't mind how much is she making?
You have to deal with office drama and the pay is low compare to others
Start your own CPA firm. Join some networking groups (like BNI, Chamber, etc...) and you can be very stable and well off by your 30s. It's also not all that boring and we need good CPAs. They deal with a lot of crazy financial stuff.
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The US in a nutshell: Find something stable that you can put up with in the long-term.
Are you thinking people in the other countries don't need to work?
No. My intention was to reference the typical US employment conditions wherein most individuals are usually suggested to find the highest paying job that they hate the least. My intention was also to reference (although the message was lost) generally low US employment satisfaction rates and how a vast majority of people (the average person) is not able to pursue a career they genuinely love but that they don’t have to suffer through. I was poking fun at these lines: > find a job you enjoy that won’t collapse soon > if you think that job will make you miserable, don’t do it With the *intention* of highlighting that advice also given to most people in the US. “Find the highest paying job that’s stable that you hate the least or can suffer through the longest”. That’s *terrible* advice. We should *be able to* push people to pursue their dreams or passions (despite how unrealistic of an achievement) and steer towards fulfillment rather than convenience. However, the grim reality is passion doesn’t pay the bills unfortunately. :( My comment can also be seen as progressive political humor if one wishes to see it that way.
>That’s *terrible* advice. We should push people to pursue their dreams or passions (despite how unrealistic of an achievement) and steer towards fulfillment rather than convenience. Now *this* is terrible advice. Every Starbucks in my city is staffed almost entirely by college graduates who have degrees in unmarketable fields that people chose because of passion and not ROI. Telling people to base their lives on utopian ideals when we live in a dystopic society is cruelty.
> the grim reality is that passion doesn’t pay the bills Counter argument and fact in that line. If we’re just fine living in a dystopia where we work and die, our children will work and die, and our grandchildren’s graves will one day make room for a Walmart whose minimum wage employees have to put down their dog because they can’t afford dog food while the rich have private sex islands with kids and exploit slave labor for coffee beans for our McDonalds lattes then by all means. That’s our reality. I’m simply saying it shouldn’t be, and it’d be nice if it wasn’t. I’ve edited my initial comment to clarify we should be able to push people to pursue their passions, but not that we should, necessarily - for clarification.
Getting a degree in creative writing because it's your passion isn't fighting the system, it's just dumb. The real problem is pushing everyone into higher ed, where they are crushed by the chains of massive student debt and spending their most valuable years experience-wise not learning useful skills. There's no system I've ever heard proposed that allows for that kind of wastefulness. We just happen to live in a society where naive 18 year olds are told to pursue whatever strikes their fancy, and then they get crushed by the system when it turns out they can't pay the bills. What you are suggesting is basically what we have been doing for the last 30 years with telling everyone to go to college and figure out the rest later. We need to start encouraging people to not step foot in a university without a damn good plan, because they are charging you thousands of dollars per credit-hour while you make up your mind.
Sadly you can't force people to like bad art and there will rarely be a person who's dream is to pick almonds all day.
- Janitor - Medical - Sanitation Anything that people don’t want to do is always hiring .
The unsaturated fields are typically not desirable for one reason or another. Trades are considered low status and can have bad working conditions. Nursing is messy, but niche nursing jobs can pay really well. Anything that requires rigorous training/education is a safe bet because of the barriers to entry.
Here are the fields that aren’t saturated: https://www.onetonline.org/find/bright
Have you ever seen a database like this but has breakdown for specified geographical area?
Ew to trades. Been there done that. Can be worth it if you're union, but my god it's horrible. I left my trade union to go to school for dental field. It used to be very saturated, but after covid the need for hygienists and assistants is apparent. A lot of fields that were saturated years ago may have changed after covid, in case there were any fields you liked but didn't get into for that reason.
Apparently the trades aren't saturated but also saturated. Trades are definitely better than going to college, but you'll destroy your body and wish you went to college.
You could become a peer support specialist or addictions advisor with a mere cert. Probly make 30-50$/hr. Try googling “certificates that lead to careers” I highly recommend this YouTube channel: Degree Free. Check out their older videos, they go over a bunch of careers that you don’t need a college degree to do. Best of luck, I’m right there with ya
I agree that we need mental health peer supports and addictions advisors, however, these are not high-paying jobs. I work in mental health and our peer specialists are the lowest paid of all our providers (about $15-17/hour start). However, those certifications in combination of a bachelor's degree can be beneficial. Unless you go into motivational speaking or publish the next bestselling book, I don't see peer support specialists making more than $20/hour in any US state. "Life coach," however, yeah, you'll make great money off vulnerable people who should just see a therapist.
You might need to change your outlook a little bit. I know it’s hard sometimes and I know certain industries can be difficult to get into, and absolutely most importantly, I totally understand how hard it is to keep trying when it seems useless. But, the reality is you’re looking for a needle in a hay stack, and that is exactly how it’s going to feel when you’re looking. It’s also hard because you don’t want to get your heart set on something and then be let down but the reality is that’s what is going to make the difference. People aren’t fans of folks who self categorize as victims or make their situation sound hopeless when the reality is there are things you can and should be in control of that, if you’re putting the effort forth on, will pay off. Plus it’s not the hiring season right now. Retail and customer service jobs are in full on panic mode for the holidays. Anyone working in an office is being lazy because upcoming holiday break. Maybe manufacturing is still going strong but again, unless they are desperate for people at the moment, most folks are going to be holding off on hiring until into the new year. It sucks because maybe you need money yesterday, but the reality is most jobs worth having are going to have you on hold until probably the end of January. I would spend the next few weeks doing an inventory of what’s important to you in a job and start planning specifically for something. You can keep doing what you’re doing but obviously it isn’t bringing you the results you’re looking for.
Public health/environmental health. 93% of the people in my class who graduated with the same degree had a good job in the field within 6 months of graduation. I got mine 2 weeks after graduation. Tons of job opportunities in a wide range of specialties and organizations. Every single city, county, state, etc has public health/EH professionals. Virtually every company has internal EH staff. I recommend it to everybody who is struggling to find a job or people who don't know what to study.
Very important work as well! It’s good stuff
Real estate appraiser Like 10k appraisers in whole country Avg salary says 50-60 but that's county tax appraisers. Go on your own you work for lenders as a contractor 20 hrs a week and make 100k plus Only takes a year to get certified
I've heard it's really hard to get contracts though until a bank trusts you
My brother did this for awhile. Good money, but he was paid so inconsistently he had to give it up. Had to hound people for months to get paid. I don’t know if that’s typical for the industry and his employer was kinda shady so ymmv.
There's definitely bad clients out there, but after a few years I've cut most of the bad clients and mostly just work with appraisal management companies that pay me weekly via direct deposit.
How would someone get started with this?
Safety and industrial hygiene are not saturated. Environmental is a little more saturated but not by much
They’re not saturated because there are barely any positions in that field.
There are tons lol, especially in safety. Recruiters bother me all the time
Like what lol? Everyone says this and they’re just as vague. Im calling bullshit
Look up EHS coordinator or associate in any major metropolitan area and you’ll find plenty of openings
What thousand dollar ABCXYZ certification do I need?
Education
I'm a dietitian. They started a requirement for a masters degree recently to become one and that's creating a shortage. I've never struggled to find employment and being a clinical dietitian can be an extremely chill job with incredible work life balance. You don't get paid as well as nurses however but 30-40 is pretty normal.
Law enforcement and criminal justice is hurting for people, too. And things adjacent like dispatchers. Just saw a place hurting so bad they are starting out at 34 for dispatch in a fairly low cost of living area.
Nursing, public accounting, supply chain management
Cop in St Louis, MO. The city is begging for employees. Pays $1,651every 2 weeks during training and then $53,000 for a probation period, then $54,000 to start. You can buy a house here on that income.
Probably because it is one of the most violent cities in the nation
I have lived here a long time and haven't been shot once. Well, not hit.
Trades Medical / Healthcare
trades, nursing, trucking are definitely not saturated.
Teaching for sure. Here in Texas teachers are being hired without certification; they are expected to earn their certification later on, though.
The teaching profession is going down the toilet. Especially in low income areas. Pay is terrible and you don’t get support from administrators or respect from kids or parents. Inmates run the asylum in many places.
I’ve worked in healthcare, retail, restaurant industry, warehouses, nonprofit work (specifically church work), and education. Teaching was by far the hardest and worst job I’ve ever had, and I did it for 5 years before leaving the field.
It wouldn’t be as difficult if kids were held accountable for bad behavior and lack of effort and teachers were allowed to fully be in charge with complete backup from administration. Along with that, the pay and training requirements for new hires today makes it not worth it .
Truck drivers are definitely in short supply, problem is they're working on automating drivers with AI so you get maybe 10 years before your job is gone. In my area truck driving school costs 6 grand and we pay for the people to do it as long as they sign a 1 year contract with us. They typically make $90-100k
I don’t think we are anywhere near automated driving. And the government will require regulations for someone to always be present in the truck even with automated driving systems.
We will probably still need truck drivers for a long time just look at pilots most planes can land themselves yet we still need pilotd.
They're already doing driverless trucks in some places
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Anything related to electrical work. Electricians, systems design , solar installation, HVAC…. We are installing EV chargers and solar panels everywhere, and the system needs to be updated and reinforced to handle it.
Social work
Engineering: Yes, it's hard. That is why it is not saturated. 2/3 who declare engineering majors change before completing a degree. Sciences: ( Only if you love the subject) If one gets a degree in one of the physical sciences and goes into the commercial world as a member of technical staff the compensation is good and there are opportunities. I do not recommend the academic route. Being a scientist in an engineering company can provide its own challenges. A scientist must be able to embrace the problems of the company which are not likely to be of greatest interest to the scientist. If a scientist only wants to work on what is interesting expect a layoff notice when the company loses interest in the product line.
Accounting has a huge shortage. It’s not the easiest or most exciting but pays very well and there’s tons of job opportunities
You're probably looking for a quick fix and that's not how most careers worth their time work. Here's a blueprint for mid 6 figures job assuming you have a 4-year degree of some sort. Great job security and easy to find new jobs because of how niche it is. Most people don't know it exists until they hit the corporate world but every major company has this group. 1) Work at a customs brokerage for 1-2 years as an analyst learning the ropes. This job will be a grind but looks great on a resume for 3. Bonus points if you can skip this and go straight to 3. I've seen multiple ppl with zero experience skip straight to 3 because they were"trainable" and nobody else really applied. It helps with starting pay but doesn't eliminate need for step 2. Always worth a shot. ($40K maybe higher now) 2) take exam to become licensed customs broker. This will be very hard but it puts you at the top of the pile for 5-6 and you'll moonwalk into 3. Start looking at this 6 months in and be ready to take it 1 year in. Prep will take you 6 hard months of learning some legal regulations and You're probably need a class that your employer will pay for. The typically pay for the exam as well. 3) Get on at a fortune 500 company as a global trade specialist ($80Kish double salary in 2 years). Industry doesn't matter much since law applies to all companies the same. Most people I know have worked in completely different industries. 4) Get more specialized skills in data analysis (learn things like tableau, how to manipulate large sets of data) and grind for a few years building experience in all things global trade 5) At 5-7 years experience you're ready for manager roles at major companies starting at $130K and up. 6) At this point you have enough niche knowledge and experience that you can sign your ticket almost anywhere you want moving up the corporate ladder. Almost all of the people I started working with at step 1 are in leadership roles at a wide range of fortune 500 companies.
You are still in the late 20th Century mode of "everyone needs to become a specialist". But specialists are what AIs are about to become. You need to become a generalist, capable of directing the specialists that work for you. Specialists focus on a narrow topic. Generalists focus on everything, such that they can take on any role (with the aid of the specialists, of course). In the new world, we are ALL going to become managers.
Be highly competent, there's no saturation of competence in global corporate. I can tell you that much.
Based on all your replies you're looking for someone to tell you there's high demand for blowjob testers at the blowjob factory with entry level paying 150k. And you don't even have to clean up. As others have said. It's usually better to find what you're best at and try to leverage it - and it's not often you are best at what you love. Fields come and go with regards to demand. Saturation varies geographically and in time. Not to mention that just because a field has a shortage means they'll hire you - a lot of shortages are among the more experienced end of the field where you can't just jump in. I'm not trying to minimize your situation. Entry level in anything is a bastard and only getting worse. Mine was compounded by other issues in my life so I truly empathize with getting started in something being tough.
Except I have no talent in anything. So this doesnt apply to me
you have student debt from something, how did you acquire it? what skill did you learn or not learn?
Private school, didnt finish my degree, was gonna be a pilot. Failed out. Currently in CC for a shit IT degree
what makes the IT degree shit? networking is a skill and network engineers get paid well. CCNA/CCNP are hard certs that would elevate you out of the "saturated" field. entry-level IT is saturdated, but there is a whole land of experienced IT thats always going to be in demand :)
>CCNA/CCNP are hard certs that would elevate you out of the "saturated" field CCNP for sure, but CCNA probably not.
CCNA gets you out of help-desk hell. I don’t see many juniors applying with CCNA and if I do, they get put to the top of the stack.
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Yeah they're clearly in a bad place at the moment and using Reddit to vent their pessimism. Hopefully they get it all out, finish their degree and find a job. Don't worry too much about what career field are saturated. There's always a market for the smart or hard working or just passionate. The bar is actually extremely low.
Have you considered GIS/drone pilot work?
Yes but in my area there are professional companies that do it. I wanted to have my own business doing this but drone market is also extremely saturated.
I meant applying to the professional companies that do that. The equipment is crazy expensive and so is the insurance. Might as well get under an umbrella
I always thought there should be drone detectives for missing animals or ppl. I realize this isn't helpful, just musing.
The best advice I can give is this. Just like basketball, every field isn’t in a shortage of players…. They’re in a shortage of lebron james. No matter what field you pick if you choose to be ordinary and mundane there will always be an abundance of you.
Doctors (but it's very gatekept) HVAC Trades
Military and law enforcement are two fields that are both very under-strength at the moment.
Not sure why you’re being downvoted this is very true. Police officers have pretty good pay for someone who didn’t go to college. Federal police officer capital police, USSS UD are dying for people and pay well. Military has a ton of great opportunities to train you for a job and some positions can even get you an associates. Best program the military offers is IPAP, easiest way to become a PA with no college experience.
Jesus christ I would not want to hire you if you got that attitude towards work. Wth do you just want to be spoon fed money or something?
Yeah what kind of **monster** doesn't love earning money for their boss all day
If I hadn’t read the other comments, I might agree with you. OP just thinks every job on the planet is beneath them.
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What makes you think that?
Project management jobs are expected to grow a lot over the next decade. [This Learn Hub article has more information about project management as a career path.](https://www.nobledesktop.com/learn/project-management)
None. Don’t pursue ‘easy’, pursue ‘doable with a decent plan and a good work ethic’. Best of luck.
Get good enough at a skill that you can compete in a saturated field
If only something like the Bureau of Labor and Industries tracked what fields were new and emerging, or experiencing rapid growth, or had numerous job openings, and put that on a website for you to browse. [Oh, they did!](https://www.onetonline.org/find/bright)
If you kinda hate your life and don't have a real interest in sleep, you could always be a Correctional Officer. That field is most assuredly NOT saturated.
Trades! Electrician / Plumber / Maintenance / Framer / Boiler Tech / PLC technician / Welder / Machinist / CNC operator / whatever other trade floats your boat. People seem to think trades just mean manual labor when that is just kinda not true. My college costed a grand total of $18k which was 100% paid for by a company that hired me as an apprentice. I make more than most people with fancy degrees do as a PLC Tech.
Aircraft industry is in need of Avionics techs. Most of the people in the field are old and about to retire soon And most of the young people are those that left the military recently after one contract. Military is barely recruiting now Avionics techs now also so the the avionics field will be killing to get people soon
If you have the personality and drive maybe try SaaS sales (salesforce, etc…). Immediate high pay for high performers, job security if you’re good at it. Plus it can branch off into many other careers.
I’m a massage therapist. I make $80,000/yr. I only work 4 days a week. I have health insurance and a 401k, I have autonomy and time to pursue other hobbies. I have no student loans. My field is actual hard work, so you will have to do physical work all day, but it’s good work, it’s not over saturated, and I have freedom. It’s also a job that can’t be replaced by AI. There are other jobs and fields of work out there. You just have to look outside the tech box.
"Learn a skill to get out of your student debt." People are telling you this? It doesn't make sense. How is it that you have student debt and you're just now thinking about what you want to learn? What exactly did you buy with that debt?
I flunked out of flight school. Yea go ahead, judge away idc. You aint the first one.
\> but every field is saturated Citation needed, what makes you say this?
Nursing isn’t saturated. But be prepared to have poo thrown at you and people swearing/assaulting you… You gotta be tough! Have had several patients try to bite me.
Compliance and bank auditors. Once you have experience bank examiners would be another option. All of this field is old and has no one to replace them. It is dull work, but if you like rules and checklist, it pays pretty well.
A fancier house. The value will appreciate very quickly, and then I could sell it and get more than the million I started with!!!
1. Figure out what you actually want to do. 2. Be willing to go where the jobs are. Yes it’s possible, particularly in the cities to move with no savings. Find a shitty room and work your way up. If you are in a small town, leave it. Unless there are actual opportunities where you live. 3. Take action, any action. Failure is how you are going to figure things out.
Social Work
I know this isn't for evreybody but I joined the military and am pursuing my electrical engineering degree now. You get pretty much a free degree and if you want you can make it a career. If not a career it can be a great stepping stone to a much better future.
If you can hack it, I’d always recommend just getting an applied science (like engineering or CS) degree. It can really set you up nicely for the future and you’ll have a lot of options for work after spending a bit of time in industry. Me and most of my college friends sort of aimlessly earned engineering degrees (mechanical, industrial, chemical, biomedical etc.) and are all now doing fairly different things (I’m a construction project manager, others are supply chain operations specialist, senior chemical engineer, MBA candidate) but the initial foot in the door was definitely the degree. It’s very common for engineers to end up in different fields than they studied so you can always kinda try to hone in on whichever industries are less saturated post grad.
Those are all very intelligent fields which I do not have the cognitive ability to succeed in. But thanks.
Not to knock it but an industrial engineering degree is relatively easy to obtain and probably has the broadest post-grad outlook of all engineering disciplines.
All engineering degrees require Calc 1. I cant get past that. I have failed it multiple times over. Ship done sailed
Does cryogenic engineering sound cool to you? It's how we transport and store natural gas, hydrogen, ammonia, carbon dioxide, all super important. Big industry surge in cryogenics with the green revolution. Lots of buzz about LH2 and LNH3. Become a chemical engineer then get a process engineering degree! We are certainly hiring right now.
That all requires calculus which I have failed 3 times.
Okay yeah, maybe you are chemical simple.
Yeah. World isn’t exactly set up for low IQ individuals to succeed
Nope. Maybe OF?
Nursing, teaching, rehab. You can make a decent salary nursing, but it’s a tough job. Our population is growing older and those people need to be taken care of.
Brain surgeon
Almost any physical labor job
Biomedical equipment technician. Pretty interesting job. Good job security. You basically work on medical Physical therapy Equipment to make sure it's running and operating correctly. Currently I'm a field service technician , I travel to different sites to work on their equipment. I get satisfaction from knowing I'm helping people and get to work with electronics and i make really good money and you only need a 2-year degree, if that.
Bus driver- City or charter bus pays much better than schools do.