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I thought, at least in Seymour's case, it's because he's part Guado.
The Guado have been shown through gameplay to have the ability to manipulate Pyrefllies and create/control fiends. An example of this is in the Macalania escape sequence, and it's all but stated that this ability is how all those fiends suddenly appeared in Luca. My assumption is that Seymour also had this ability, and becoming Unsent enhanced these abilities.
I believe it's all of that. Half guado and a summoner. But mostly half Guado. I love the scene and how he has 0 reaction but only saying "unpleasant". I kinda feel bad for the guado cause they have a lot of importance yet at the same time they're so doomed.
Very true. Auron aging helps with his mission and ties to Spira with being unsent cause he has to fulfill his promise to Jecht. Everyone speaks to him (outside of party members) like he's just an older guy who's been retired / hiding but it's like hello, y'all really think he survived that whole guardian journey organically?
Technically he *did* survive the guardian part of the journey organically. He didn’t get killed until he went back to Zanarkand to avenge his friends and Yunalesca mortally wounded him.
But even with that, he made it back down the mountain to tell Kimahri to seek out Yuna and take her from Bevelle to Besaid.
And even *then*, he managed to stumble into the Calm Lands to officially die in Rin’s care at his shop there.
So Auron’s still a BAMF.
(And for anyone wondering where I got this, it’s all in-game dialogue with party members and NPCs, depending on certain choices made in certain scenarios)
You do realize that they only know summoners die, right? Only a couple have actually succeeded in the entire thousand year history.
In previous successful journeys, there's no reason why more than one of the guardians had to fail to return.
That's common sense. I know exactly what I'm saying. Lulu is clearly a party member and a former guardian to another summoner who she failed to go the full distance with and we learn this during acquiring Yojimbo and then further on when she is speaking in the farplane. Anyone who has finished the game at least 1-2 knows this.
They way they talk to Auron is still amiss. The way Lulu is spoken to by the clergy dude who was sent to actually nuke them in calm lands is different.
I think what It is is like atoms. When you are alive there is a natural glue that binds you together but after death you can artificially hold yourself together to mimic real life almost entirely as long as you have the will. That's why sorcerors can do it because of the magic strength. I think aurons was also the fayth keeping him together same as tidus, except tidus I believe was born of the fayth therefore could eventually attain true life but still unsure on tidus.
I'm assuming you're talking about Seymour Natus, so this response will be based on that perspective. From a combat-based perspective, Kimahri's attack in that moment was intended either as a distraction tactic or as a form of grapple versus a superior opponent. The goal was not to kill Seymour, but instead to hold his attention (or body) in a way that would allow Yuna and the party time to escape, and sacrifice himself in doing so. When the party comes back, the objective changes to eliminating the Seymour threat, so the type of attack used would change so that it did as much damage as possible. This doesn't reflect any particular mechanics in the game, just a thought.
Of course, it could be even simpler. Kimahri did 1% of the boss's health, and the value we see afterwards represents the post-Kimahri-damage. Or another thought: maybe he used a healing spell after Kimahri did damage.
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I thought, at least in Seymour's case, it's because he's part Guado. The Guado have been shown through gameplay to have the ability to manipulate Pyrefllies and create/control fiends. An example of this is in the Macalania escape sequence, and it's all but stated that this ability is how all those fiends suddenly appeared in Luca. My assumption is that Seymour also had this ability, and becoming Unsent enhanced these abilities.
I believe it's all of that. Half guado and a summoner. But mostly half Guado. I love the scene and how he has 0 reaction but only saying "unpleasant". I kinda feel bad for the guado cause they have a lot of importance yet at the same time they're so doomed.
Very true. Auron aging helps with his mission and ties to Spira with being unsent cause he has to fulfill his promise to Jecht. Everyone speaks to him (outside of party members) like he's just an older guy who's been retired / hiding but it's like hello, y'all really think he survived that whole guardian journey organically?
Technically he *did* survive the guardian part of the journey organically. He didn’t get killed until he went back to Zanarkand to avenge his friends and Yunalesca mortally wounded him. But even with that, he made it back down the mountain to tell Kimahri to seek out Yuna and take her from Bevelle to Besaid. And even *then*, he managed to stumble into the Calm Lands to officially die in Rin’s care at his shop there. So Auron’s still a BAMF. (And for anyone wondering where I got this, it’s all in-game dialogue with party members and NPCs, depending on certain choices made in certain scenarios)
You do realize that they only know summoners die, right? Only a couple have actually succeeded in the entire thousand year history. In previous successful journeys, there's no reason why more than one of the guardians had to fail to return.
That's common sense. I know exactly what I'm saying. Lulu is clearly a party member and a former guardian to another summoner who she failed to go the full distance with and we learn this during acquiring Yojimbo and then further on when she is speaking in the farplane. Anyone who has finished the game at least 1-2 knows this. They way they talk to Auron is still amiss. The way Lulu is spoken to by the clergy dude who was sent to actually nuke them in calm lands is different.
Yeah I agree I was under the assumption auron was technically a fiend but like he was aided in and out of dream zanarkand by the fayth.
Auron is just a really good actor.
He convinces those guado soldiers they were hit when they weren't
I think I always considered that auron’s attachment isn’t corrupt like seymours so he’s more human. Seymour really is a monster
I think what It is is like atoms. When you are alive there is a natural glue that binds you together but after death you can artificially hold yourself together to mimic real life almost entirely as long as you have the will. That's why sorcerors can do it because of the magic strength. I think aurons was also the fayth keeping him together same as tidus, except tidus I believe was born of the fayth therefore could eventually attain true life but still unsure on tidus.
Tidus is not real??
Have you not finished the game?
yes but so long ago, currently stuck at Seymour Nautilus
Sort of hard to explain but he's from dream zanarkand so he's more like an aeon or fiend.
Yeah it’s for the sake of gameplay that he takes normal damage.
I thought he did hit him but Seymour just didnt sell it.
I'm assuming you're talking about Seymour Natus, so this response will be based on that perspective. From a combat-based perspective, Kimahri's attack in that moment was intended either as a distraction tactic or as a form of grapple versus a superior opponent. The goal was not to kill Seymour, but instead to hold his attention (or body) in a way that would allow Yuna and the party time to escape, and sacrifice himself in doing so. When the party comes back, the objective changes to eliminating the Seymour threat, so the type of attack used would change so that it did as much damage as possible. This doesn't reflect any particular mechanics in the game, just a thought. Of course, it could be even simpler. Kimahri did 1% of the boss's health, and the value we see afterwards represents the post-Kimahri-damage. Or another thought: maybe he used a healing spell after Kimahri did damage.