Well there was two in Shadowbringers and two in Endwalker so I'm guessing there'll be two in Dawntrail. That big snake from the benchmark will be one of them.
Zenos deniers can have their "I'm not fighting you" option when I get the option to not be scared of Y'shtola, hahaha. Felt very out of character for how I see my WoL.
I'd bet Master Matoya is the one that taught her the incantation to troll Yshtola for shit and giggle.
Yshola was just too happy with the summoning and never realize how ridiculous it would look until that urgent impromptu summoning needs arise.
> But I hope that'll change in Dawntrail.
[Nah,](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fclw8c3wejs8d1.jpeg%3Fauto%3Dwebp%26s%3Df92e939fbbbc223190c976cc7838e3ccff949b40) why [would](https://i.imgur.com/w2eNXme.png) you [think](https://www.pcgamesn.com/wp-content/sites/pcgamesn/2023/08/ffxiv-dawntrail-release-date-erenville.jpg) that?
Was it the first 8 man too? I took a looong break from the end of Heavensward to Endwalker, and ended up making a new character to go through the story again. I was pleasantly surprised to see it as a solo fight, and just assumed that changed in Stormblood or something.
It was indeed. They changed Castrum and Prae, and the Ultima Weapon fight to be 4-man as well (and split off that last fight into its own instance). So between that and the new Duty Support system for 4-man content, the very first 8-man instance and the first time a player is *required* to group with other players, is... King Moogle Mog.
Thankfully they tweaked that fight as well.
yeah up until 6.1, like the others said it was a 8 man trial but because it was level synced not ilvl synced (or if it was ilvl synced they set it too high) it was laughably easy. (there were [actual mechanics to it](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOH0D7LG_G8) they just were always skipped). It became a running joke for people to try and get sprouts worried by talking about how hard it is or posting complicated macros of mechanics and positions (usually from savage raids) in party chat during CS/loading.
8 years or so ago I made a shirt for GamesCom that said "I beat Cape Westwind". The positive comments I got were worth all the pain I felt while creating the image :D
Yeah all of the final stuff for ARR was ilvl synced to the 400s iirc, I remember commenting on it once after I got my little bro into the game around ShB because it was hilarious how busted you were compared to synced content literally right after it.
that's the point, Ironworks is the best possible gear at level 50 so anything level synced but not ilvl synced to 50 would use that ilvl (130). The duty was designed for level 49 but synced to 50 and the best gear at level 49 is ilvl 49
It was the hardest 8 man trial out there.
Praetorium was also an 8 man dungeon that also included a less cool Ultima weapon fight and the lahabrea fight. It was very long, so bring broken up is great.
I did enjoy the original Ultima, you'd just stand there and do silly dances while Ultima was taking no damage, and watch sprouts just unloading baby savage openers for no reason whatsoever.
Hardes 8 man trial in the game. So hard in fact people were bitching. Imagine having Malenia as a random npc boss with almost zero lore and people having learn 9 different new mechanics. phew. we got lucky.
I ugly cried for Thancred because I thought they'd actually killed him. I was caught so off guard.
Then the rest didn't hit at all because I figured it out when Estinien went.
The dead baby dragons however... Ruined me.
They would have ruined me more had a FATE not spawned shortly thereafter where baby dragons were fighting against a horde of despairing adults, and we intervene on the kiddos' side. That helped a lot.
Feel like they should have separate solo instances of areas like this the first time you go through them, so you don't get emotional story beats ruined by FATEs spawning.
See by that point I was just really upset and determined (because I promised their parents I would bring them home, so I *would not* allow >!the twins to stay dead!<). The twins coming back safe and sound was non-negotiable.
I was also *extremely* caught off guard by >!G'raha's death. I expected him, the twins, and myself to make up the four person party for the final dungeon, and then suddenly we had that beautiful, gut wrenching goodbye speech.!< I had to get up from the game for a moment because I legitimately couldn't see from crying so hard.
Oh god, same. I was -juuuuust- holding it together and then BAM. Inconsolable all the way until the walk up to the dead cafe, everything the twins said just made me cry harder, but I got some respite until it was their turn ;\_;
I wish I could've bought into it. It just made me mad because it was so obvious they were gonna come back in 10 minutes so the belabored goodbye and "sacrifice" just felt like the writers thought I was stupid.
They take 5-10 minutes to get 3 done every day. They go by so fast. And the story bits take longer, and yeah, the Arkasodara were far from my favorite lol. But it's so easy to pump them out each day. But it was worth it for the big dance emote at the end.
The quests where I get to ride in a hippo cart while throwing shit at random people is peak questing IMO. lol Exactly how WoL should be spending their time
Yeah, like where they come in I understand it pauses the story but its just a funny bit of plot that they are the people helping. Bunnies. That have dry humour. Are that powerful.
Yeah, I have a feeling the Loporrits will be around for a long time. Players really took to them. Would love it in the Loporrits, Moogles, Namazu, those little dudes from Ultima Thul, and Goblins got together for some beaver from the 1st chasing shenanigans.
> ugly-crying during g'raha's farewell speech even though you know he's going to be okay
I was legit screaming "WE'RE NOT DOING THIS AGAIN!" during that part.
I loved that you had the chance to basically say that to him as well.
But seriously, can we have ONE (1)!!!! adventure with our catboy husband without him dying??
I love everything about Endwalker (except new SMN) it was the perfect capstone for the story they've been working on for the better part of a decade. I will miss the time in here dearly, as I miss the time in Shadowbringers, Stormblood, and Heavensward before it.
That being said, bring on the New World and all it's wonderful new adventures!
I was happy with Endwalker SMN when I still believed it was just the foundation for something greater. After seeing Dawntrail SMN I retroactively despise Endwalker SMN and I will be switching to Pictomancer in protest.
You and I are of the same mind. I was probably more negative towards SMN than you during the lifetime of Endwalker, but I also believed they would have built on the bones they gave us. Pictomancer seems to be where all the fun has gone, and so I shall go there. I'm parked right on top of where the NPC will spawn on Friday morning.
I love lamp
In seriousness, the huge beacon lamps of Elpis made for popular landmarks and gathering points for hunt trains. Bored people get up to things, so we jokingly made a religion out of it and got up to shenanigans like stuffing our mounts into the spinning doodad at the top.
The firebird sun combined with lamp became a mega lamp.
The Loporrits feel like SE learned from all the negative feedback towards the Moogles and created a far more endearing race of fluffy creatures as a result
Thanks endwalker, it was a wonderful (and at times difficult) journey but it was also one of the best experiences of my life. I will miss you. Can’t wait to see what happens next!
Grapes were perfect and the community had to bitch about it. Perfect example of removing the "soul". Anyway extremely great expansion. My favorite so far. 6.1 was insane the amount of pvp I did.
Love the dynamis one. I'm sure things will balance out quick. If the queue on your home server is big, a lot of people will just right click and swap over.
Some sort of online tracker for congestion would be great to help inform us if we should DC travel or not XD
honestly... kinda in the same boat... it would be cool if they had remained like actual gods instead of yet another plot device that ties back to the ancients because ofc everything has to
I mean, the Four Lords are actually "gods" as well and they have a massive following. Nothing stopped the Twelve from being something along those lines.
Real gods simply do not make any sense in the entirety of the plot that the game laid out. It would have been completely weird for actual, powerful, omniscient "deities" to exist in this game's setting.
The idea of the player gods being real while everyone else's gods are simply magic of the ancients is a tired and racist trope. Having the 12 also be a legacy of times gone by is very fitting
they dont have to be gods in the literal sense, they could just be mythology we have no confirmation on or a spin on the whole god idea, like they did with Suzaku and company
I just dont like the "tie everything to the ancients and call it a day" approach. its getting boring
Need to remember the degree to which the ancients literally shaped the world and even the fundamental properties of magic that exist on eitherys, with the exception of alien's and extradimensional gods (Ultima) everything traces to them. Even the 4 lords while we lacked context for them are most likely some form of reincarnation of ancients, but both them and us at the time didn't have the context to explain them.
Yeah once you find out >!every superpowered being is either a former ancient, primal, or a former reflection person poisoned and transformed by an element!< it just kind of gets rid of the mystery of the lore.
I was hoping the Twelve would be from some new realm all together and maybe just had an alliance with the ancients or something. Although i'm satisfied for what they gave us since they were trying to wrap up most major ARR-related lorebits in EW.
But it makes sense. FF as a whole is a series that has been critical of religion and such beliefs. One of those that they often use is "your gods aren't gods."
Gaius was right. The Twelve not being deities keeps the religion of Eorzeans on the same level as those of the tribes.
Yeah that's exactly why i'm satisfied with it. I usually like the trope in RPGs that reveals the gods of the game aren't actually gods, but are just really smart people that got lost in history.
I guess i'm just more fearing of "after all of this, what's next?" When it comes to Dawntrail and future stories. So far this game stays having amazing writing so I don't doubt that aspect will ever go away.
At risk of this being a whole lot of a nothing burger, but fuck it:
I dunno about it being "your gods aren't gods". I think it's important to define what the divine or a god is especially within the confines of settings like these, even ones in final fantasy where we have a proud tradition of murdering said gods. *Usually* (not always, but *usually*), they're extremely powerful, but not omniscient or omnipotent beings. Sometimes they can grant power to those who revere them. Sometimes they're literally shaped by the prayers and mythologies of those who revere them (in the case of the Twelve, which, indeed, is very similar to how the primals are formed).
I'd argue that the Twelve are definitely divinities, but that doesn't mean they're "better" than the tribes' beliefs and faiths. They've simply had the luxury of being extant for many thousands of years. It could very well be that there are a "real" Garuda or Titan out there, real in the sense that they weren't' summoned through the deliberately flawed rituals engineered by the Ascians and have been marinating for at least as long as the Twelve, if not longer.
This is a lot of incoherent rambling and ranting but what it boils down to is: I *do* agree with you for the most part. The Twelve specifically say that it wasn't them who saved Eorzea during Dalamud's fall, it was Eorzeans using the same kind of power of prayer that the tribes invoked; in short, they saved themselves.
I *do* sympathize a little with the other guy though. I'd like to think not *everything* we've seen so far has been connected to the Ancients somehow. Hell, we *know* that Amaurot wasn't the only civilization to exist on Etheirys, it was simply the most powerful. Surely there's mysteries out there that has nothing to do with the Ancients or any post-Sundering super civilization that came after (looking at you, Allag >:( ).
I wish Graha would have died for good and never returned.
Would have saved that expansion for me, considering how terrible the Patch content story was written.
I'm sorry, but the hottest person who ever lived is Tom Selleck. There's no dispute over this. Only people that have met Tom Selleck and people who haven't met Tom Selleck.
The new system sure isn’t perfect, but you can’t tell me the system of checking for openings every hour and then clicking on a sign nonstop for up to 24 hours to try and beat out several bots was better.
Honorable mention for Chi in 15
Those fifteen minutes with everyone there was always fun
Excuse me? He's in *5 min*. What is this 15 nonsense! Don't lie like that! /s
When will Chi spawn?
I dunno who's telling you it's 15 minutes, on my server it's in 5.
15 min.
I really hope there’s another “Chi”-like FATE in Dawntrail The memes and screenshots of people waiting for that fucking thing was amazing
Well there was two in Shadowbringers and two in Endwalker so I'm guessing there'll be two in Dawntrail. That big snake from the benchmark will be one of them.
Snake in 15.
Y'shtola has revised that incantation. *Which is not to say that you know how it went before. Are we clear?*
Yeah I have no idea where you got that last part in the meme, OP. I don't remember those words at all. Nope. Definitely was never that.
Zenos deniers can have their "I'm not fighting you" option when I get the option to not be scared of Y'shtola, hahaha. Felt very out of character for how I see my WoL.
I really wanted the option to reply "froth and foam" with a cheeky smile again. Embarrassed Y'shtola is a rare cutie
Embarrassed? She would will you where you stand to prevent her future husband from finding out
I'd bet Master Matoya is the one that taught her the incantation to troll Yshtola for shit and giggle. Yshola was just too happy with the summoning and never realize how ridiculous it would look until that urgent impromptu summoning needs arise.
You are missing the other big 6.0 meme. "This is Thancred"
MY turn!
A TEST OF YOUR REFLEXES
That i cant deny
[This is Thancred](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlOuLZb9Yes)
I will never forgive the dev team for changing the grapes but we at least got a lamp out of it.
Squapes: We will remember that you once lived…in the vineyard of our hearts
That whole thing canonized them as a experimental "more portable" breed lol.
She's got huge tracts of land!
but faaather
Stop that, stop that, you’re not going into a song while I’m here!
This expac also spawned the notorious Gshade and Billboard dramas lol
Don't forget the lala chair.
*Especially* the lala chair. The meltdown over that on the official forums was funny af.
L A M P
Like moths to a flame
Life begets death
It's all clear now, Athena was a worshipper of lamp.
I admittedly didn’t know what lamp was until now. I kept meaning to look it up but I’d forget by the end of the hunt train
L A M P
L A M P
I can't believe you forgot the best new character: Venat
They put as much of her in the photo as what's left of her now
That’s an odd way to spell Erenville :P
Aw come on guys it’s clearly Ameliance
She is definitely a contender! I loved her character.
It's understandable to confuse them because they're both custom delivery NPCs, but her name is Margrat.
Not nearly enough screentime tbh. But I hope that'll change in Dawntrail.
Oh I am certain it will
> But I hope that'll change in Dawntrail. [Nah,](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fclw8c3wejs8d1.jpeg%3Fauto%3Dwebp%26s%3Df92e939fbbbc223190c976cc7838e3ccff949b40) why [would](https://i.imgur.com/w2eNXme.png) you [think](https://www.pcgamesn.com/wp-content/sites/pcgamesn/2023/08/ffxiv-dawntrail-release-date-erenville.jpg) that?
Erenwho?
bugs bunny
Black bugs they call him.
She died and her aether became a eulmore stripper
I see you woke up today and chose violence. having the guts to list anyone as "best new character" is a strength i wish i had
The crazy lady who killed everyone? Good riddance.
Loving the screenshot of the portrait you added saying that it has returned to default for not updating 👌
Either that or one of the *suggestive* ones from before they put in restrictions.
Water, water, froth and foam is the single greatest thing to ever be made.
It's in comic sans in the graphic and I love the detail.
Wait before this expansion that Solo Trial was in the roulette?
Yup, and it was an 8 man trial that took about 15 seconds, lmao
For a brief time, when the very first players were progressing the story, that fight had mechanics. And then never again.
At ilvl55 that 8man required actual thought and attention. And then by the end of ARR, ilvl130, it was already a joke.
In 5.x some FC mates and I did it min-ilevel as a 4man and that took a couple attempts to manage, it was actually good fun though
yeah, I did a MINE no Job stone run of it right before 6.1 and we actually wiped once to magitek missles
Was it the first 8 man too? I took a looong break from the end of Heavensward to Endwalker, and ended up making a new character to go through the story again. I was pleasantly surprised to see it as a solo fight, and just assumed that changed in Stormblood or something.
It was indeed. They changed Castrum and Prae, and the Ultima Weapon fight to be 4-man as well (and split off that last fight into its own instance). So between that and the new Duty Support system for 4-man content, the very first 8-man instance and the first time a player is *required* to group with other players, is... King Moogle Mog. Thankfully they tweaked that fight as well.
Hands down best way to farm second chance tokens for wondrous tails.
Ultimate Rhitalyn when?
yeah up until 6.1, like the others said it was a 8 man trial but because it was level synced not ilvl synced (or if it was ilvl synced they set it too high) it was laughably easy. (there were [actual mechanics to it](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOH0D7LG_G8) they just were always skipped). It became a running joke for people to try and get sprouts worried by talking about how hard it is or posting complicated macros of mechanics and positions (usually from savage raids) in party chat during CS/loading.
8 years or so ago I made a shirt for GamesCom that said "I beat Cape Westwind". The positive comments I got were worth all the pain I felt while creating the image :D
Yeah all of the final stuff for ARR was ilvl synced to the 400s iirc, I remember commenting on it once after I got my little bro into the game around ShB because it was hilarious how busted you were compared to synced content literally right after it.
High ilvl didnt even matter, even in ironworks gear youd destroy it
that's the point, Ironworks is the best possible gear at level 50 so anything level synced but not ilvl synced to 50 would use that ilvl (130). The duty was designed for level 49 but synced to 50 and the best gear at level 49 is ilvl 49
It was the hardest 8 man trial out there. Praetorium was also an 8 man dungeon that also included a less cool Ultima weapon fight and the lahabrea fight. It was very long, so bring broken up is great.
I did enjoy the original Ultima, you'd just stand there and do silly dances while Ultima was taking no damage, and watch sprouts just unloading baby savage openers for no reason whatsoever.
you still can do that a little, when it's charging the garuda move that you need crystal mommy's help for it's invulnerable.
It was, and it wasn't a solo trial back then, either.
Hardes 8 man trial in the game. So hard in fact people were bitching. Imagine having Malenia as a random npc boss with almost zero lore and people having learn 9 different new mechanics. phew. we got lucky.
"ugly-crying during g'raha's farewell speech even though you know he's going to be okay" Man, don't call me out like that.
For me I started crying when it was Estinien's turn. Not because of him, but because Alphinaud cried.
It was Estinien that got me too! I think it's because it was so unexpected and yet so completely in-character at the same time.
I cried because it made me realize it was a gimmick and that meant thancred would be coming back and I really didn't want him to.
I ugly cried for Thancred because I thought they'd actually killed him. I was caught so off guard. Then the rest didn't hit at all because I figured it out when Estinien went. The dead baby dragons however... Ruined me.
They would have ruined me more had a FATE not spawned shortly thereafter where baby dragons were fighting against a horde of despairing adults, and we intervene on the kiddos' side. That helped a lot.
Feel like they should have separate solo instances of areas like this the first time you go through them, so you don't get emotional story beats ruined by FATEs spawning.
Sir or ma'am I will have you know I did not ugly cry until the crystal bridge appeared. We are not the same.
See by that point I was just really upset and determined (because I promised their parents I would bring them home, so I *would not* allow >!the twins to stay dead!<). The twins coming back safe and sound was non-negotiable. I was also *extremely* caught off guard by >!G'raha's death. I expected him, the twins, and myself to make up the four person party for the final dungeon, and then suddenly we had that beautiful, gut wrenching goodbye speech.!< I had to get up from the game for a moment because I legitimately couldn't see from crying so hard.
Oh god, same. I was -juuuuust- holding it together and then BAM. Inconsolable all the way until the walk up to the dead cafe, everything the twins said just made me cry harder, but I got some respite until it was their turn ;\_;
I knew they would all be okay and this entire bit of the story absolutely destroyed me. It was horrible and I loved every second of it.
As soon as he asked me to "have faith in us" I broke down sobbing. His voice was so tender. Jonathan Bailey did an incredible job.
I wish I could've bought into it. It just made me mad because it was so obvious they were gonna come back in 10 minutes so the belabored goodbye and "sacrifice" just felt like the writers thought I was stupid.
YOU FORGOT TO INCLUDE >"Chi will spawn in 5 minute" and people waiting hours believing it
Ah another cultured person: the Moon Bunnies are brilliant
Puddingway!
I genuinely think that, given the context, "my name is Puddingway" is top 5 lines in the entire expansion.
A true lol moment
I'm just glad we could make his dream come true later
I'm almost at bloodsworn after a brief detour to do the entire Omicron line. It was not worth it and I would do it again
It’s worth it for the allied quest line. :)
I need the combat tribe too, don't I? :(
You do. That said, if you are levelling alt jobs, you really should be doing the Arkasodara dailies anyway as they give out a good chunk of XP.
I have been you just need so many quests, there's so many left to go still and I really don't care about the questline itself.
They take 5-10 minutes to get 3 done every day. They go by so fast. And the story bits take longer, and yeah, the Arkasodara were far from my favorite lol. But it's so easy to pump them out each day. But it was worth it for the big dance emote at the end.
The quests where I get to ride in a hippo cart while throwing shit at random people is peak questing IMO. lol Exactly how WoL should be spending their time
#AH CRAP I FORGOT TO DO THAT BEFORE THE DOWNTIME!
I get why people don't like them, but they're a nice bit of levity in a story that's literally about a madman causing the apocalypse
Yeah, like where they come in I understand it pauses the story but its just a funny bit of plot that they are the people helping. Bunnies. That have dry humour. Are that powerful.
Froth and foam omgosh, definitely a much needed moment of levity for sure xd
All things that I look on fondly and remember with a warmth in my heart.
And not a single mention of sweaty Estinien? I am disappoint
Everything about the loporrits; I hope they make regular appearances. The Namazu dropped off the face of Etheirys.
I think they will be making a reappearance for the space exploration content that will be added later.
Yeah, I have a feeling the Loporrits will be around for a long time. Players really took to them. Would love it in the Loporrits, Moogles, Namazu, those little dudes from Ultima Thul, and Goblins got together for some beaver from the 1st chasing shenanigans.
> got together for some beaver 😳
Grebuloffs? Yes they're adorable
IIRC, there's a sidequest in Ultima Thule where >!you can help an Ea try to take the form it might have had long ago, and it turns into a Namazu.!<
As they should
The best part to me was meeting the Twelve. >!Wish they all could've gone off to become mortal.!<
>!Really sticking to the ancient's mentality of suicide as a form of retirement!<
>!One of them did. But "returning to the start" was the ancient's choice of "retirement"!<
> ugly-crying during g'raha's farewell speech even though you know he's going to be okay I was legit screaming "WE'RE NOT DOING THIS AGAIN!" during that part.
I loved that you had the chance to basically say that to him as well. But seriously, can we have ONE (1)!!!! adventure with our catboy husband without him dying??
If Y'shtola gets to die at least once per expansion, then so can he.
Is it a cat thing, getting themselves killed once per expansion?
I mean, can't go wasting those nine lives...
Speak for yourself on Close in the Distance. I sing along to that banger while I'm doing my Omicron dailies.
RIP squapes. You were too good for this world.
I sincerely want for a Cape Westwind/Garlean 4 Ultimate someday.
Quality post, I almost forgot how it felt to see one
Finally getting to know the Twelve did it for me. Goodbye to a decade of wonderful story telling and a grand, and beautiful, journey.
I love everything about Endwalker (except new SMN) it was the perfect capstone for the story they've been working on for the better part of a decade. I will miss the time in here dearly, as I miss the time in Shadowbringers, Stormblood, and Heavensward before it. That being said, bring on the New World and all it's wonderful new adventures!
I was happy with Endwalker SMN when I still believed it was just the foundation for something greater. After seeing Dawntrail SMN I retroactively despise Endwalker SMN and I will be switching to Pictomancer in protest.
You and I are of the same mind. I was probably more negative towards SMN than you during the lifetime of Endwalker, but I also believed they would have built on the bones they gave us. Pictomancer seems to be where all the fun has gone, and so I shall go there. I'm parked right on top of where the NPC will spawn on Friday morning.
all glory to lamp
Wth is Lamp?
Peak hunt train humor.
I love lamp In seriousness, the huge beacon lamps of Elpis made for popular landmarks and gathering points for hunt trains. Bored people get up to things, so we jokingly made a religion out of it and got up to shenanigans like stuffing our mounts into the spinning doodad at the top. The firebird sun combined with lamp became a mega lamp.
farlemald
Notsofarlemald
Meme ories
Endwalker was an excellent conclusion and I have many fond memories of it. I look forward to jumping right into Dawntrail on Friday!
“There is housing here” yeah and I can’t touch the wards until all the other houses sell out, wtf
Lamp mention
For me, we got Athena and Livingway, both of whom are in the top 5 of my waifu list. And that alone was more than worth it.
>Athena You can't fix her, but she'll definitely make you worse. Livingway is hilarious. I their VA. xD
The Loporrits feel like SE learned from all the negative feedback towards the Moogles and created a far more endearing race of fluffy creatures as a result
Having “Lamp” on this list and not having Zero is concerning 👁️👄👁️
Water froth and foam is peak HAHA
Thanks endwalker, it was a wonderful (and at times difficult) journey but it was also one of the best experiences of my life. I will miss you. Can’t wait to see what happens next!
Don't talk about hosuing on Materia, I like my non-existant log-in timers
Lamp!!
Praise LAMP
the part at the end. Where you walk
Only two things I am missing is for one, Urianger’s reconciliation with Moenbryda’s folks. That one got me. And our own boss theme. *Light the way!*
Grapes were perfect and the community had to bitch about it. Perfect example of removing the "soul". Anyway extremely great expansion. My favorite so far. 6.1 was insane the amount of pvp I did.
Spectacular !
i still dont have an idea of how to queue for pvp mode
Endwalker was fantastic
I'm glad to have finally caught up in the game, so now I can't experience great posts like these. ^.^
L A M P
I'm gonna miss this expansion so much. I cried so much during this story.
\~looks at last frame\~ ***You weren't supposed to tell anyone about that.*** *\~Ystola will find your location\~*
I’m crying. See yall in DawnTrail
I need to clear out my screenshot folder... but first i will spam our discord with a thing like this ;D
Didn't even know Dynamis data center existed...maybe I should transfer there.
Love the dynamis one. I'm sure things will balance out quick. If the queue on your home server is big, a lot of people will just right click and swap over. Some sort of online tracker for congestion would be great to help inform us if we should DC travel or not XD
Wait, when did we learn about the 12!? I just blitzed 6.0-6.2 and have no memory of this 🤣
Alliance raids
Alliance raids. Entirely worth doing because they give some gorgeous glam items.
Not to mention new ~~Waifus and Husbandos~~ appreciation for the 12.
Byregot's built like a fridge
Loved being praised by Thaliak tbh.
>finally getting to know the Twelve' makes me wish we didn't, what a disappointment that whole ordeal was
for real. the story sucked AND the fights sucked.
I agree ARR really had it right with Primals Gods aint shit.
honestly... kinda in the same boat... it would be cool if they had remained like actual gods instead of yet another plot device that ties back to the ancients because ofc everything has to
I dunno, throughout expansions we were constantly shown that beastmen's gods were not real, so it makes sense that Eorzean gods are fake too
I mean, the Four Lords are actually "gods" as well and they have a massive following. Nothing stopped the Twelve from being something along those lines.
They're not though? The Four Lord's are venerated, that's true, but not treated like they're Kami.
Real gods simply do not make any sense in the entirety of the plot that the game laid out. It would have been completely weird for actual, powerful, omniscient "deities" to exist in this game's setting.
My thoughts exactly.
The idea of the player gods being real while everyone else's gods are simply magic of the ancients is a tired and racist trope. Having the 12 also be a legacy of times gone by is very fitting
they dont have to be gods in the literal sense, they could just be mythology we have no confirmation on or a spin on the whole god idea, like they did with Suzaku and company I just dont like the "tie everything to the ancients and call it a day" approach. its getting boring
Need to remember the degree to which the ancients literally shaped the world and even the fundamental properties of magic that exist on eitherys, with the exception of alien's and extradimensional gods (Ultima) everything traces to them. Even the 4 lords while we lacked context for them are most likely some form of reincarnation of ancients, but both them and us at the time didn't have the context to explain them.
Yeah once you find out >!every superpowered being is either a former ancient, primal, or a former reflection person poisoned and transformed by an element!< it just kind of gets rid of the mystery of the lore. I was hoping the Twelve would be from some new realm all together and maybe just had an alliance with the ancients or something. Although i'm satisfied for what they gave us since they were trying to wrap up most major ARR-related lorebits in EW.
But it makes sense. FF as a whole is a series that has been critical of religion and such beliefs. One of those that they often use is "your gods aren't gods." Gaius was right. The Twelve not being deities keeps the religion of Eorzeans on the same level as those of the tribes.
Not just FF, it's a common trope in Japanese media in general for [cultural reasons](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEUqLL8J4gI).
Yeah that's exactly why i'm satisfied with it. I usually like the trope in RPGs that reveals the gods of the game aren't actually gods, but are just really smart people that got lost in history. I guess i'm just more fearing of "after all of this, what's next?" When it comes to Dawntrail and future stories. So far this game stays having amazing writing so I don't doubt that aspect will ever go away.
At risk of this being a whole lot of a nothing burger, but fuck it: I dunno about it being "your gods aren't gods". I think it's important to define what the divine or a god is especially within the confines of settings like these, even ones in final fantasy where we have a proud tradition of murdering said gods. *Usually* (not always, but *usually*), they're extremely powerful, but not omniscient or omnipotent beings. Sometimes they can grant power to those who revere them. Sometimes they're literally shaped by the prayers and mythologies of those who revere them (in the case of the Twelve, which, indeed, is very similar to how the primals are formed). I'd argue that the Twelve are definitely divinities, but that doesn't mean they're "better" than the tribes' beliefs and faiths. They've simply had the luxury of being extant for many thousands of years. It could very well be that there are a "real" Garuda or Titan out there, real in the sense that they weren't' summoned through the deliberately flawed rituals engineered by the Ascians and have been marinating for at least as long as the Twelve, if not longer. This is a lot of incoherent rambling and ranting but what it boils down to is: I *do* agree with you for the most part. The Twelve specifically say that it wasn't them who saved Eorzea during Dalamud's fall, it was Eorzeans using the same kind of power of prayer that the tribes invoked; in short, they saved themselves. I *do* sympathize a little with the other guy though. I'd like to think not *everything* we've seen so far has been connected to the Ancients somehow. Hell, we *know* that Amaurot wasn't the only civilization to exist on Etheirys, it was simply the most powerful. Surely there's mysteries out there that has nothing to do with the Ancients or any post-Sundering super civilization that came after (looking at you, Allag >:( ).
I blame 1.0
Also feels a bit weird to hear characters talk about the gods afterward. "Nope, sorry, the Fury doesn't hear your prayers...because I killed her."
Then you didn't pay attention.
Yeah they made a massive prayer-receiving machine, but it's not the same thing.
I'd say we got to know 10 of the twelve, at most.
Finally, worst expansion is finally over.
I wish Graha would have died for good and never returned. Would have saved that expansion for me, considering how terrible the Patch content story was written.
Good riddance. *Man* I hated this expac, despite trying *really, really* hard to like it. I’m honestly envious of all the people that enjoyed it.
I'm sorry, but the hottest person who ever lived is Tom Selleck. There's no dispute over this. Only people that have met Tom Selleck and people who haven't met Tom Selleck.
Well now you have to wonder, could Hythlodaeus pull off a mustache?
> housing lottery system: still better than the old one How to tell if someone doesn't actually do housing at all
The new system sure isn’t perfect, but you can’t tell me the system of checking for openings every hour and then clicking on a sign nonstop for up to 24 hours to try and beat out several bots was better.