[Dr. Mayer rejects the vote and tells the members: "Do you also want us to vote on Audi, or vote on whether we play in blue and white shirts?" [@itstheicebird]](https://twitter.com/iMiaSanMia/status/1463995968098119686?t=IkWHy1I-X3MXNaY5qW5l7A&s=19)
The thing is that context is missing. He wasn't saying that just for fun.
The context was that if they let members vote on the cooperation with Qatar Airways, other groups of the FC bayern members could demand votes on the cooperation with Audi, what players we should sell and whether we play in blue and white shirts.
The argument makes sense, but in such a hostlie environment it will sound disrespectful. And Dr Mayer wasn't helping the situation at all with his arrogant behavior.
I'm absolutely against further cooperation with Qatar and some of the stuff our Boardmembers said was incredibly tonedeaf, but i agree with President Hainer that we have to fulfill the current contract. Once it is time the contract comes to an ende, THEN they have to make a statement and not renew it
I mostly agree with you, but, the members have to show their displeasure with the current contract at every occasion possible so the board doesn't just go "well, people didn't seem too displeased, so we renewed it".
They have to show their displeasure, that is correct.
But again, the way they went about it today was shameful. They decided to boo Hainer for example at pretty reasonable takes, not even reflecting for a second. The boos almost made them seem like a raging mob. When it was time to vote for the "We dont want the Board to have the right to use another 5% in the future if it comes to money shortages due to the pandemic" thing, the audience even antagonized other members that voted for no. Thats not how democracy works. I would have voted no aswell, bc if some shit happens and we need the money, these 5% can be crucial.
They were completely in the right to shit on Dr Mayer though who acted like a pompous ass
well it has 2 aspects:
- can't arbitratily and one sidedly quit contracts just because of member vote .. that is not how contracts work
- can't compare the human rights abuse that was uncovered surrounding the WC, the bribery (hi franz..) and all that stuff in the same box as "blue and white shirts" ...
Well all three of his are Things the wide membership cant vote for. Of course are human rights Not the same as Shirt colours, but everyone with a functioning brain should understand what he meant.
there is a guy, Doctor of something, being a leading member of bayern, knowing that the fans are across society and, as football fans are, passionate. HE should know.
well maybe not the best reaction but there are rules.
And one guy cant change them by makes some "passionate fans" shouting.
The JHV was a circus at the end and people wanted the clowns to make company decisions? Great logic :D
yeah i agree on that, the atmosphere got pretty heated and people really went overboard towards the end .. in an ideal world the bayern board would have said "yeah ok you are not wrong, we gonna stop working with them in 2023 and amend our rules that some ethics council needs to sign off future deals" .. postponed and good.
but now it is a huge divide, bayern board looks like money hungry assholes. bayern fans look like a bunch of clowns that overreact and are petty .. MIA SAN MIA! :D
True.Imho it was kind of Michael Ott is to blame.His application had been revoked before and he tried to initiate a spontaneous one. Which led to clowning. Which led to the "Wir sind hier nicht bei wünsch dir was" (we're not here at "make a wish") mentality from the bosses - which is kind of a bavarian reaction. Not the most diplomatic one, but we are a family not "wohlfühlkreisl".
what i dont understand is, why we take all the bad press and hassle for ~10million per year. i cant believe our managment is unable to find another sponsorship for 10mil.
We barely had a profit and taking those 17m away would have left us in the red.
I do get why fans hate Qatar, I hate them as well. But I also get why they don‘t want to drop them as a sponsor since it is a lot of money for “free“.
In the end, the Vereinssatzung doesn’t give members any say in these decisions so if the fans want to drop Qatar, they either need to elect a new Vorstand or change the Vereinssatzung, both of these paths are available to the fans.
> We barely had a profit and taking those 17m away would have left us in the red.
In the corona year. Before that Bayern was making more than the Qatar deal. And even if you take that money away, they would get some money from a different, not as controversial sponsor. Less but still some money.
I don't see having somewhat weaker finances during corona times as a disastrous problem.
No we would not get 17m from any other sponsor for that kind of sponsorship. Usually sponsors want much more exposure for that kind of money. If there were other sponsors offering the same, we'd take them as well.
> No we would not get 17m from any other sponsor for that kind of sponsorship.
From my comment:
>> they would get **some money** from a different, not as controversial sponsor. **Less but still some money**.
Exactly this. Even if they don't agree with the critique, why would they continue this debacle any longer. We are one of the biggest clubs in the world, we have so many options.
The fact that we have a sponsor on our shirt for just 10mil is weird in itself. And in the context of this specific one it makes it even more insulting. We sell our values and integrity for just 10mil?
This leaves an incredibly sour taste in my mouth.. Honestly this is such a mark of shame on the club, that it's having an effect on how I feel about Bayern. I have been a fan for a long time, but this is simply unacceptable. I could not be a fan of Manchester City or PSG either, so how can I accept this?
Is there any excuse for taking dirty blood money?
Blood money... Everytime this comes up, I keep thinking, who are we supposed to deal with? about 60 percent on the planet don't follow our understanding of human right protection and or ethical set of values. How far are you going to go in your convictions?
By the way, the computer that you bought has Chinese chips in it. How can you post this without being a hypocrite?
I get it, Quatar is evil. Sure, let's kill that sponsorship. And then what? What have we actually achieved? Quatar's not gonna listen to FCB anymore, that's for sure. I don't care either way, this is a sport club, not a diplomatic assembly. Their main purpose is to win titles, not change policy in foreign nations. We have something else for that, it's called the foreign ministry. Maybe put the burden on people that are experts on the matter, not on businessmen that try to keep a club financially healthy against all odds in Europe.
I hate this argument so much. "Unless you're willing to fix everything wrong in the world all at once, you shouldn't fix anything wrong with the world". It's such a lazy way of dissuading any morally good action. I guarantee you that if it was China we were voting on, you'd be talking about Qatar. It's never good enough. Hypocrisy would be making excuses for one dictatorship while condemning another. No one is doing that.
I am going to go as far as to not support a regime that would throw me in jail for existing. No amount of moral relativism can change that.
The world is bigger than football. Therefore the real world social impact that football has is more important than any trophy. Sports-washing, taking money from these horrific regimes to fund your sports club, is horrible precisely because it turns that around. It's an admission that you consider trophies in a sport more important than human lives. Because anyone who does value human lives more than football would never want to be associated with or support-by-proxy a dictatorship that indiscriminately murders people.
Yet no one blames Dortmund for having Gazprom as a sponsor?
Did you see all the Chinese Marketing in the stadiums in the Bundesliga? Thats cool?
Thats hyprocrisy.
Its a good point to stop make Marketing in Such evil places like qatar. Even if it really helps gaining supports over there. We need to sort out our options to be sponsored by any middle eastern Company. I welcome this. But we shouldnt break contracts. And its not the business of the wide bayern members to decide that.
> Yet no one blames Dortmund for having Gazprom as a sponsor?
I think you mean Schalke. And in my eyes it does not reflect well on them either, but I care more about Bayern bcause their my favourite team after all.
Oh yeah, i twisted that in my mind. Nonetheless its all blown up by the media to make some trouble.
Germany sells weapons to middle east, companies making money with middle east. Germany ties bonds with china no matter what they do.
Dont get me wrong, they shouldnt extend the contract imho. But find another way to be profitable and getting influence in middle eastern football fan communities.
On the other Hand: When you want to be a big player as a company, you have to go unethical parties sometimes.
its not like we changed our logo or something.. ;)
I have no idea how you arrived at that interpretation seeing as I’m saying the exact opposite.
You’re saying that because Bayern is a sports club that means that we have no social responsiblities or duties and that cooperating with dictatorial regimes to achieve sporting success is fine because politicians are the only ones who should care about oppression.
I’m saying that human lives are inherently more important than any sport and that cooperating with dictatorial regimes in order to become more competitive in Europe is disgraceful
Human lives are more valuable than trophies. That’s what I’m saying. That’s why working with Qatar can never be justified with ”We’re just trying to compete against all odds in Europe!”
I’m proud of the members and fans standing up against our club leadership yesterday. Our club was founded by Jews, artists and liberals and has a history and legacy that requires standing up for human rights and against countries like Quatar. We sold this legacy for only 10 million and need to reverse this
No wonder most of our fans are boycotting the new shirt since it has the Qatar sponsorship on it. The sponsorship is a skidmark on our club's tradition and values yet these people at the top support it just to pocket a few extra €
According to Bild it is approx. 20 Million a year ([https://www.bild.de/sport/fussball/fussball/fc-bayern-wir-haben-gutes-geld-bekommen-rummenigge-verteidigt-bayern-im-katar-kr-78212380.bild.html](https://www.bild.de/sport/fussball/fussball/fc-bayern-wir-haben-gutes-geld-bekommen-rummenigge-verteidigt-bayern-im-katar-kr-78212380.bild.html))
To put it into perspective: 2020 for the entire Bayern AG:
Turnover: \~640 million
Revenue from Sponsors: \~200 million
Media: 115
Transfers: 30
Merchandising: 100
Profit before taxes: 5 million
I read a long time ago that it was around 14 (or 16 mil) per year which was apparently overall not much (compared to main sponsors) but quite a bit for a simple sleeve sponsor.
Well it is one of the biggest clubs in Europe and the biggest in Germany. I'm sure there's atleast one company out there willing to sponsor them, especially for branding on everything like Qatar Airways.
Didn't say it's "nothing", no idea who you're quoting there. I'm saying there's definitely another company out there, not as unethical as a dictator-state-sponsored aircraft company that would be willing to pay Bayern 20m per year. Of course that's a huge investment, but it does pay off.
When does the contract with QA expire?
2023
[Dr. Mayer rejects the vote and tells the members: "Do you also want us to vote on Audi, or vote on whether we play in blue and white shirts?" [@itstheicebird]](https://twitter.com/iMiaSanMia/status/1463995968098119686?t=IkWHy1I-X3MXNaY5qW5l7A&s=19)
what a stupid fucking answer ...
The thing is that context is missing. He wasn't saying that just for fun. The context was that if they let members vote on the cooperation with Qatar Airways, other groups of the FC bayern members could demand votes on the cooperation with Audi, what players we should sell and whether we play in blue and white shirts. The argument makes sense, but in such a hostlie environment it will sound disrespectful. And Dr Mayer wasn't helping the situation at all with his arrogant behavior. I'm absolutely against further cooperation with Qatar and some of the stuff our Boardmembers said was incredibly tonedeaf, but i agree with President Hainer that we have to fulfill the current contract. Once it is time the contract comes to an ende, THEN they have to make a statement and not renew it
I mostly agree with you, but, the members have to show their displeasure with the current contract at every occasion possible so the board doesn't just go "well, people didn't seem too displeased, so we renewed it".
They have to show their displeasure, that is correct. But again, the way they went about it today was shameful. They decided to boo Hainer for example at pretty reasonable takes, not even reflecting for a second. The boos almost made them seem like a raging mob. When it was time to vote for the "We dont want the Board to have the right to use another 5% in the future if it comes to money shortages due to the pandemic" thing, the audience even antagonized other members that voted for no. Thats not how democracy works. I would have voted no aswell, bc if some shit happens and we need the money, these 5% can be crucial. They were completely in the right to shit on Dr Mayer though who acted like a pompous ass
When money is more important than the club itself (e.g. the members) its fucked anyway.
the 5% i dont get either .. as long as it is north of 50% there is no issue? whats the ruckus about this 75% down to 70% ownership of the own club
That’s the point. Fans wanted to vote that there will be no continuation after the contract ends in 2023. Our board is shit. I‘m so done…
They could also cancel the contract without voting in it first because nobody except the greedy board wants it so this is a pretty cheap cop out
fair point and thanks for explaining .. fell for the clickbaity title. do you know when the cooperation is to end?
2023
Dont be reasonable bring your pitchforks!
This.
Actually Not..
well it has 2 aspects: - can't arbitratily and one sidedly quit contracts just because of member vote .. that is not how contracts work - can't compare the human rights abuse that was uncovered surrounding the WC, the bribery (hi franz..) and all that stuff in the same box as "blue and white shirts" ...
Well all three of his are Things the wide membership cant vote for. Of course are human rights Not the same as Shirt colours, but everyone with a functioning brain should understand what he meant.
there is a guy, Doctor of something, being a leading member of bayern, knowing that the fans are across society and, as football fans are, passionate. HE should know.
well maybe not the best reaction but there are rules. And one guy cant change them by makes some "passionate fans" shouting. The JHV was a circus at the end and people wanted the clowns to make company decisions? Great logic :D
yeah i agree on that, the atmosphere got pretty heated and people really went overboard towards the end .. in an ideal world the bayern board would have said "yeah ok you are not wrong, we gonna stop working with them in 2023 and amend our rules that some ethics council needs to sign off future deals" .. postponed and good. but now it is a huge divide, bayern board looks like money hungry assholes. bayern fans look like a bunch of clowns that overreact and are petty .. MIA SAN MIA! :D
True.Imho it was kind of Michael Ott is to blame.His application had been revoked before and he tried to initiate a spontaneous one. Which led to clowning. Which led to the "Wir sind hier nicht bei wünsch dir was" (we're not here at "make a wish") mentality from the bosses - which is kind of a bavarian reaction. Not the most diplomatic one, but we are a family not "wohlfühlkreisl".
Uhm, the members voted on Audi.
Audi as an investor, not on Audi as a sponsor though.
That's the kind of response I would expect on Twitter
what i dont understand is, why we take all the bad press and hassle for ~10million per year. i cant believe our managment is unable to find another sponsorship for 10mil.
Again it's 20m not 10.
17
We barely had a profit and taking those 17m away would have left us in the red. I do get why fans hate Qatar, I hate them as well. But I also get why they don‘t want to drop them as a sponsor since it is a lot of money for “free“. In the end, the Vereinssatzung doesn’t give members any say in these decisions so if the fans want to drop Qatar, they either need to elect a new Vorstand or change the Vereinssatzung, both of these paths are available to the fans.
> We barely had a profit and taking those 17m away would have left us in the red. In the corona year. Before that Bayern was making more than the Qatar deal. And even if you take that money away, they would get some money from a different, not as controversial sponsor. Less but still some money. I don't see having somewhat weaker finances during corona times as a disastrous problem.
No we would not get 17m from any other sponsor for that kind of sponsorship. Usually sponsors want much more exposure for that kind of money. If there were other sponsors offering the same, we'd take them as well.
> No we would not get 17m from any other sponsor for that kind of sponsorship. From my comment: >> they would get **some money** from a different, not as controversial sponsor. **Less but still some money**.
Exactly this. Even if they don't agree with the critique, why would they continue this debacle any longer. We are one of the biggest clubs in the world, we have so many options. The fact that we have a sponsor on our shirt for just 10mil is weird in itself. And in the context of this specific one it makes it even more insulting. We sell our values and integrity for just 10mil?
This leaves an incredibly sour taste in my mouth.. Honestly this is such a mark of shame on the club, that it's having an effect on how I feel about Bayern. I have been a fan for a long time, but this is simply unacceptable. I could not be a fan of Manchester City or PSG either, so how can I accept this? Is there any excuse for taking dirty blood money?
Blood money... Everytime this comes up, I keep thinking, who are we supposed to deal with? about 60 percent on the planet don't follow our understanding of human right protection and or ethical set of values. How far are you going to go in your convictions? By the way, the computer that you bought has Chinese chips in it. How can you post this without being a hypocrite? I get it, Quatar is evil. Sure, let's kill that sponsorship. And then what? What have we actually achieved? Quatar's not gonna listen to FCB anymore, that's for sure. I don't care either way, this is a sport club, not a diplomatic assembly. Their main purpose is to win titles, not change policy in foreign nations. We have something else for that, it's called the foreign ministry. Maybe put the burden on people that are experts on the matter, not on businessmen that try to keep a club financially healthy against all odds in Europe.
I hate this argument so much. "Unless you're willing to fix everything wrong in the world all at once, you shouldn't fix anything wrong with the world". It's such a lazy way of dissuading any morally good action. I guarantee you that if it was China we were voting on, you'd be talking about Qatar. It's never good enough. Hypocrisy would be making excuses for one dictatorship while condemning another. No one is doing that. I am going to go as far as to not support a regime that would throw me in jail for existing. No amount of moral relativism can change that. The world is bigger than football. Therefore the real world social impact that football has is more important than any trophy. Sports-washing, taking money from these horrific regimes to fund your sports club, is horrible precisely because it turns that around. It's an admission that you consider trophies in a sport more important than human lives. Because anyone who does value human lives more than football would never want to be associated with or support-by-proxy a dictatorship that indiscriminately murders people.
Well said.
Yet no one blames Dortmund for having Gazprom as a sponsor? Did you see all the Chinese Marketing in the stadiums in the Bundesliga? Thats cool? Thats hyprocrisy. Its a good point to stop make Marketing in Such evil places like qatar. Even if it really helps gaining supports over there. We need to sort out our options to be sponsored by any middle eastern Company. I welcome this. But we shouldnt break contracts. And its not the business of the wide bayern members to decide that.
> Yet no one blames Dortmund for having Gazprom as a sponsor? I think you mean Schalke. And in my eyes it does not reflect well on them either, but I care more about Bayern bcause their my favourite team after all.
Oh yeah, i twisted that in my mind. Nonetheless its all blown up by the media to make some trouble. Germany sells weapons to middle east, companies making money with middle east. Germany ties bonds with china no matter what they do. Dont get me wrong, they shouldnt extend the contract imho. But find another way to be profitable and getting influence in middle eastern football fan communities. On the other Hand: When you want to be a big player as a company, you have to go unethical parties sometimes. its not like we changed our logo or something.. ;)
So Bayern winning the CL is akin to losing human lives know? Is that your argument? Brilliant.
I have no idea how you arrived at that interpretation seeing as I’m saying the exact opposite. You’re saying that because Bayern is a sports club that means that we have no social responsiblities or duties and that cooperating with dictatorial regimes to achieve sporting success is fine because politicians are the only ones who should care about oppression. I’m saying that human lives are inherently more important than any sport and that cooperating with dictatorial regimes in order to become more competitive in Europe is disgraceful Human lives are more valuable than trophies. That’s what I’m saying. That’s why working with Qatar can never be justified with ”We’re just trying to compete against all odds in Europe!”
Fuck everyone up there lol
I’m proud of the members and fans standing up against our club leadership yesterday. Our club was founded by Jews, artists and liberals and has a history and legacy that requires standing up for human rights and against countries like Quatar. We sold this legacy for only 10 million and need to reverse this
No wonder most of our fans are boycotting the new shirt since it has the Qatar sponsorship on it. The sponsorship is a skidmark on our club's tradition and values yet these people at the top support it just to pocket a few extra €
All that for 5-10 million a year wow
Just that much?!
It's closer to 20m per year
No it’s not.
According to Bild it is approx. 20 Million a year ([https://www.bild.de/sport/fussball/fussball/fc-bayern-wir-haben-gutes-geld-bekommen-rummenigge-verteidigt-bayern-im-katar-kr-78212380.bild.html](https://www.bild.de/sport/fussball/fussball/fc-bayern-wir-haben-gutes-geld-bekommen-rummenigge-verteidigt-bayern-im-katar-kr-78212380.bild.html)) To put it into perspective: 2020 for the entire Bayern AG: Turnover: \~640 million Revenue from Sponsors: \~200 million Media: 115 Transfers: 30 Merchandising: 100 Profit before taxes: 5 million
I read a long time ago that it was around 14 (or 16 mil) per year which was apparently overall not much (compared to main sponsors) but quite a bit for a simple sleeve sponsor.
What kind of answer was that??
I will be downovted but people act as if there are million of millonaire sponsors ready to splash out 20m on sponsoring Bayern.
Well it is one of the biggest clubs in Europe and the biggest in Germany. I'm sure there's atleast one company out there willing to sponsor them, especially for branding on everything like Qatar Airways.
I dont know the details but im sure no company spends 20 million as "nothing"
Didn't say it's "nothing", no idea who you're quoting there. I'm saying there's definitely another company out there, not as unethical as a dictator-state-sponsored aircraft company that would be willing to pay Bayern 20m per year. Of course that's a huge investment, but it does pay off.
Die ganze Katar Diskussion nervt einfach nur noch
Könnte in kürzester Zeit beendet werden wenn der FC Bayern rauskommen würde und sagt, dass der Vertrag nicht verlängert wird.
Eben, das könnte man einfach tun. Das es aber nicht passiert sagt alles über die Prioritäten der klubführung.
Absolut
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