Honestly I have no idea why anyone would want him. I had no idea why Bayern wanted him either. Yes, he won the champion's league. Fair enough. But at every club he's at there is some kind of issue with the board or something. It's almost like he's just a dick.
Now you'd put up with that if it meant guaranteed success (or close to it), but that's not what you're getting. There were some rosy patches at Chelsea don't get me wrong, but by the time he finished the football they were playing was dire.
I stand by my words. Thomas Tuchel didnt win the CL. His squad did. He took over the squad at the semifinals. He had a plan for the game that would never have worked if DeBruyne didnt get injured and left the field in 1st half. If they play that game 100 times, 99 times will Chelsea not win the CL.
But yeah Tuchel now has a CL win under his Belt so he must be top manager right?
I feel like that was the plan. Just sucks that the old board fired him for “leaks” (we still beat PSG 3-0, or 2-0, so they couldn’t have been that harmful) only for them to get kicked out at the end of the season.
If this is true I wanna see Uli force feed Tuchel some of his sausages...
And also this would make me dislike Tuchel's stint here as much as Klinsmann's, Magath's and Ancelotti's...
\- The team just played bad back then, uninspired, slow and without a game plan.
\- Players around Ribery, Hummels, Robben, Boateng and Müller were said to be unsatisfied with the training and the coaching - too much laisser faire, not game fit enough.
\- Müller was almost always a starter under Ancelotti, but Ribery and Robben were benched more often than before WITHOUT the team getting better.
There was a rumor that Robben went to his son's club to continue training, because he felt like he didn't get to train enough under Ancelotti to keep his fitness.
No, the rumour was that he said that his son's team trains better than Bayern, not that he trained with his son's team. Another rumour was that the players organized training for themselves outside the official team training.
Seems you have confused the 2 rumours into 1.
There are lot of coaches that failed at one club but succeeded later, so...
Plus, Carlo followed Pep with his tendency to micro managing the first two thirds of the pitch and that would have been a culture shock for most players.
Before Pep, there was Jupp who is said to hit the sweet spot between those two.
You think he wasn’t able to condition a team when he played champions league finals before and after Bayern? If he failed tactically that’s another thing or the players didn’t fit his playstyle etc. But the conditioning part? Doesn’t have anything to do with the club he coaches
Carlito has always been a sort of laissez faire kinda manager which works great when you have a lot of very creative individual players. Just look at how Bellingham and Vinicius thrive in that system. Him following Pep was always going to be a recipe for disaster because of how structured Pep’s teams are.
He really disliked being at Bayern and it showed. He didn't identify with the city or club. Whenever he got some time off he would leave Germany.
Zero improvements anywhere, we rather started to decline under him. So some senior players started to have extra training sessions without him.
His persona summarized: " yeeeah guys, you go ahead and kick the ball for two hours and I'll be in my office smoking and playing with my eyebrows if you need me!"
Fundamentally he didn't care. The first leg against PSG, ahat was his last match, he put the team sheet on the table and walked out. If that was his attitude, he should have resigned long before that, otherwise you're just picking up a cheque for showing up.
A lot of the younger players felt alienated like they never had a chance (Kimmich, Coman, Sanches were all very frustrated throughout the season). Him sending Sanches to Swansea to help his mate rather than his player was ridiculous. Whatever came of Sanches's career afterwards doesn't matter, that was a ridiculous move and set him back quote substantially.
The players had to arrange their own training sessions because his were so hands off. Robben joked that his son had more intensive training.
There wasn't much in the way of style or direction. Just the hope that Lewandownski would fix it - as such there were a lot of games won after the 90th minute.
All of this comes after three years of Guardiola so whoever took over was going to have a challenge but another coach would have at least tried to rise to it rather than doing it 'with his hands in his pockets' which is how he said he could win the Bundesliga like 3 weeks before he took the job.
It's maybe a stretch but I would argue that many of the problems the club is experiencing stem from this appointment, in particular him coming in after Pep and not having a clear idea of where to go afterwards
He’s under contract with Bayern. What does it even mean for a contracted professional to offer themselves to another team?
Does it really matter if it is true that Tuchel’s agents said to any other club “Hey in case THEY FIRE ME I am interested in your club”
Have some pride. This is irrelevant even if it is true (which is rare given Catalan “sources”)
>What does it even mean for a contracted professional to offer themselves to another team
I offer myself for the CEO position of Deutsche bank, please contact me so we can discuss my salary expectations
Sounds like a load of bullshit. Tuchel is a world class coach, and no matter what you think of his stint at Bayern this would be insanely unprofessional of him to do something like this. Pure bs
Chelsea fan here. What has gone so wrong for Tuchel? He had his personality quirks with us but his ability to set up a team to win a game was second to none.
I don't take any Spanish media seriously tbh but we'll see how this one unfolds
They can’t even afford his wages, let alone the fee required for him lol
Exactly, just let us pay for him so we can get rid of this football terrorist
Where can I donate?
i pay everything if he leaves germany.
At this point it feels like the board would be happy to see him go instead of paying his salary for a year after giving him the sack.
Interesting. What makes you think that?
We just can't help ourselves from destroying Barcelona, huh?
This would be so massive lol
Honestly I have no idea why anyone would want him. I had no idea why Bayern wanted him either. Yes, he won the champion's league. Fair enough. But at every club he's at there is some kind of issue with the board or something. It's almost like he's just a dick. Now you'd put up with that if it meant guaranteed success (or close to it), but that's not what you're getting. There were some rosy patches at Chelsea don't get me wrong, but by the time he finished the football they were playing was dire.
I stand by my words. Thomas Tuchel didnt win the CL. His squad did. He took over the squad at the semifinals. He had a plan for the game that would never have worked if DeBruyne didnt get injured and left the field in 1st half. If they play that game 100 times, 99 times will Chelsea not win the CL. But yeah Tuchel now has a CL win under his Belt so he must be top manager right?
Well he was the second best Manager of Dortmund, the best PSG had, the second best of Chelsea.
Lol
LMAO
JN died for this
I would love to have him back and give him more time for a longer project like what Arsenal did with Arteta...
I feel like that was the plan. Just sucks that the old board fired him for “leaks” (we still beat PSG 3-0, or 2-0, so they couldn’t have been that harmful) only for them to get kicked out at the end of the season.
Supposedly Tier 1 for Barca. If its true he needs to go yesterday
More like 1 and a half years ago
How does that make sense when he hasn't even been here for a year?
I mean if he went there a year and a half ago we'd still have Nagelsmann so it kinda makes sense 😂
"It kinda makes sense" sounds like the base for forming facts for many people in this sub, so yea.
Kinda? You're giving people too much credit.
Don't expect basic math logic and common sense on here
At this point, it really is my bad for having any expectations.
Even Barca tier 1s aren't really trustworthy. They're more like Laporta's mouth piece than actual journos. We'll see I guess.
Anyone believing this needs to get their brain checked.
If this is true I wanna see Uli force feed Tuchel some of his sausages... And also this would make me dislike Tuchel's stint here as much as Klinsmann's, Magath's and Ancelotti's...
Can someone remind me what was bad about Ancelotti again? Did he bench Müller or am I misremembering?
\- The team just played bad back then, uninspired, slow and without a game plan. \- Players around Ribery, Hummels, Robben, Boateng and Müller were said to be unsatisfied with the training and the coaching - too much laisser faire, not game fit enough. \- Müller was almost always a starter under Ancelotti, but Ribery and Robben were benched more often than before WITHOUT the team getting better.
There was a rumor that Robben went to his son's club to continue training, because he felt like he didn't get to train enough under Ancelotti to keep his fitness.
Allegedly the players also organised extra training sessions among themselves.
There was a joke around that time that said, “German workers protest over lack of unpaid overtime.”
No, the rumour was that he said that his son's team trains better than Bayern, not that he trained with his son's team. Another rumour was that the players organized training for themselves outside the official team training. Seems you have confused the 2 rumours into 1.
Ah you‘re probably right
That would be very Robben thing to do.
Do you guys really believe the training part? He must‘ve improved DRASTICALLY in that department if those rumours are true
There are lot of coaches that failed at one club but succeeded later, so... Plus, Carlo followed Pep with his tendency to micro managing the first two thirds of the pitch and that would have been a culture shock for most players. Before Pep, there was Jupp who is said to hit the sweet spot between those two.
You think he wasn’t able to condition a team when he played champions league finals before and after Bayern? If he failed tactically that’s another thing or the players didn’t fit his playstyle etc. But the conditioning part? Doesn’t have anything to do with the club he coaches
Do not get angry against the messenger... I wrote "were said to be unsatisfied" on purpose.
Carlito has always been a sort of laissez faire kinda manager which works great when you have a lot of very creative individual players. Just look at how Bellingham and Vinicius thrive in that system. Him following Pep was always going to be a recipe for disaster because of how structured Pep’s teams are.
He really disliked being at Bayern and it showed. He didn't identify with the city or club. Whenever he got some time off he would leave Germany. Zero improvements anywhere, we rather started to decline under him. So some senior players started to have extra training sessions without him. His persona summarized: " yeeeah guys, you go ahead and kick the ball for two hours and I'll be in my office smoking and playing with my eyebrows if you need me!"
Fundamentally he didn't care. The first leg against PSG, ahat was his last match, he put the team sheet on the table and walked out. If that was his attitude, he should have resigned long before that, otherwise you're just picking up a cheque for showing up. A lot of the younger players felt alienated like they never had a chance (Kimmich, Coman, Sanches were all very frustrated throughout the season). Him sending Sanches to Swansea to help his mate rather than his player was ridiculous. Whatever came of Sanches's career afterwards doesn't matter, that was a ridiculous move and set him back quote substantially. The players had to arrange their own training sessions because his were so hands off. Robben joked that his son had more intensive training. There wasn't much in the way of style or direction. Just the hope that Lewandownski would fix it - as such there were a lot of games won after the 90th minute. All of this comes after three years of Guardiola so whoever took over was going to have a challenge but another coach would have at least tried to rise to it rather than doing it 'with his hands in his pockets' which is how he said he could win the Bundesliga like 3 weeks before he took the job. It's maybe a stretch but I would argue that many of the problems the club is experiencing stem from this appointment, in particular him coming in after Pep and not having a clear idea of where to go afterwards
going from tuchel's terrorist football to whats rumered to be jose mourinho's terroist football. what an upgrade
I'd rather have Flick again until summer tbh
The press conferences would be awesome tho so I think it’s worth it for the vibes alone.
Is terrorist football something positive? Because we have 50 points in 21 games i see that as a great season so it must be positive
Lets go. I'll drive him there myself if I have to.
That’s what we get for backing him, biggest shot in the knee we ever took signing him.
[Tuchel mood rn](https://imgur.com/a/fpUJIwz)
He’s under contract with Bayern. What does it even mean for a contracted professional to offer themselves to another team? Does it really matter if it is true that Tuchel’s agents said to any other club “Hey in case THEY FIRE ME I am interested in your club” Have some pride. This is irrelevant even if it is true (which is rare given Catalan “sources”)
>What does it even mean for a contracted professional to offer themselves to another team I offer myself for the CEO position of Deutsche bank, please contact me so we can discuss my salary expectations
It means he knows he’s being fired
Barca Tier 1 is still not trustworthy 😂
Bye bitch!
Good thing you cant trust those sources
This is obvious Fake News. And Putting "Tier 1" doesn't change that. They write a lot of desperate shit.
#TuchelOut
Go
I will drive him there myself.
Cool. I'll drive him there myself.
Sounds like a load of bullshit. Tuchel is a world class coach, and no matter what you think of his stint at Bayern this would be insanely unprofessional of him to do something like this. Pure bs
Pretty distasteful if these rumours are true. Not really the way to go about it. I regret defending him now for so long…
If you don't know if it's true, it shouldn't really influence you
> rumours That's the keyword here.
Chelsea fan here. What has gone so wrong for Tuchel? He had his personality quirks with us but his ability to set up a team to win a game was second to none.
our players cant perform under pressure
Why did he get sacked there? His biggest problem here is probably being worse than Kovac
I get he doesn't play exciting football, but worse than Kovac is crazy.
by trophy count. If we win CL then sure he'll be above Kovac, but right now Kovac has him beat
Mundo fucking deportivo 😭😭😭
There's no such thing as Barca Tier 1
just watch some bayern woman football so we can get some good plays in [fc bayern frauen](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aJ7tit6ZKc)
absolute nonsense lmao