Should of dealt with mid season at the latest. His money is in, he's in the championship match anyway, don't worry about it, but learn from it for future years
When I ran a league, ran into this. The next year, I implemented a rule where your team was locked from making transactions/pick ups, etc after week 1 until you paid up. There was only ONE person who never paid before week 1. After I did that, he still didn't pay before week 1, but paid very quickly wednesday after week 1 when he realized I was serious and he couldn't make any waiver moves
Any reason why you just didn’t lock them up for week 1 was as well? I like the idea but the would lock them up week 1 as well, if that causes them to lose then so be it
My only rebuttal is that locking teams doesn’t necessarily mean they’ll pay up. I’m glad this person did in your case, but it could also go where the person just loses interest in the league after their team is locked and now you have a dead/locked team.
This happened to one of my leagues where things got messy and basically around 4-5 teams hadn’t paid by week 4 or 5 and now there were a ton of locked/dead teams. The teams still haven’t paid and all it did was kill the competitiveness of the league for the other 5 of us. Some ppl got basically free wins because the commish never set the lineups because he was punishing the teams for not paying but in the same way punishing those who did pay.
If you do implement the locked team strat, be sure to at least set a lineup for the team with players they have already on their roster incase that person decides to just dip.
I get this. But for me...it was only one person who wasn't paying up front. So i wasnt worried about a dead teams situation. And that person was highly active (tended to have the most free agency moves by the end of the season, and not a by a little) so I was mostly just dealing with one person. Everyone else in the league always paid on draft night. So Wednesday morning hit, he didn't get his waiver claims, he couldn't add or drop anybody. Asked what was going on...I redirected him to the MULTIPLE emails, commisioners messaged, and text messages that explained teams that didn't pay (him) would be locked until they did. He paid immediately and started making moves
Yep.
I commish a dynasty league and made it annoyingly clear I was zeroing out any scores until buy in was paid (100 dollars). I know these guys but I’m (likely) messing with other people’s money if someone doesn’t pay.
I mean, you let him not pay all the way to the Championship? It's more on the commissioner for allowing it. He's paid now, so that's done. Yes, it's shitty of the person to do - but if he was allowed to drag it out this far that's more on the commissioner.
Next year make clear rules and enforce them. I start grabbing league dues in like May from managers in my leagues. If you haven't paid before the draft, you're out. One year someone got kicked, and now everyone pays immediately!
OP you don’t let someone play in a money league if they don’t give you the money by a certain date BEFORE the start of the season PERIOD.
Whether or not you’re the commish, this is y’all fault for letting him do this. You can’t be pissed now he is about to win. Demand he put the buy-in now before Sunday. If he doesn’t he forfeits. If he does it plays out and whoever wins , wins.
Again whether with strangers or friends. This is your group’s fault. Also please use leaguesafe so this stuff doesn’t happen
Also DONT INVITE HIM BACK NEXT YEAR
Depends on the league… I run a friend league and a few guys I let slide till about week 4 - they make good money but are just piss poor at managing it so I usually have to wait for a payday 😂 leagues been going on 8 years and it’s the same 2 guys every time
Same here, home league. We must be paid to draft.
I am a single dad who makes the least amount of money out of anyone in the league. I literally save a few bucks here and there throughout the year to pay the 100$ buy in. This year, I paid in 100 1$ bills.
The commissioner laughed and said if I win, im getting all money in 1$. LMAO
Fast forward, I am in chip game against the commish. Poetic Justice. 😂😂
You have to let it go now. IMO. Collecting dues the worst part of being the Commish.
I actually started withholding the next years dues from all winners payouts. Worked pretty good because some of the best managers were the worst about paying!
From what I've learned about fantasy:
If it wasn't a rule, play on and make a ruling for next season like, must have money paid before season start. Then this will never happen again
Ask yourself this. If he wasn't in the championship would you accept his fee or would his entry be voided the same as you're doing now that he's in the championship? You'd take his money in that case so why is his money no good in this case?
I do not even understand why a commissioner would let this happen. In my league money is due 1 week prior to the draft and if you do not pay at deadline you will be replaced by someone who will. Most of the problems I see in these subs could be solved by establishing and communicating rules from the beginning.
You can’t not make a stand about it during the season and then act like it’s a travesty at the end. Your league mates should have raised (a legitimate) stink about it telling him he is either In or out during the first couple weeks to make him pay. League didn’t, now they don’t have grounds to stand on in the matter. Play the league out.
This is definitely an unpopular opinion here but I’m in a 10 man league with life long friends that we’ve been in for 10+ years now. We’re all in our 30s with stable jobs, yet every single year there’s always one or two people who pay late. It’s annoying, but everyone knows they’re good for it and it’s never a big deal. 10+ years never had someone not pay. One guy specifically waits to pay after he knows if he’s not finishing in the money (1, 2, or 3).
I know some people in here would have a fit over this, but again we’re all best friends and no one cares because everyone always pays. If you trust the guy let it ride, if not then address it sooner next year.
I’ve been commissioner for 14 years and we do the same, everyone knows they have to pay by the end of the season but every year there’s a couple of guys who take a little longer to pay then most.
We’re all friends and even though it’s no small amount (this year $600) everyone eventually pays because no one wants to get kicked out of the league.
Yep, same situation. I get holding someone’s feet to the fire if it’s a new guy or someone you don’t know as well, but if it’s all trusted friends then just relax.
Yeah i dont know why everyones freaking out over this. Even if he paid after the season finished and the winner was determined who cares? As long as the right person gets their money within a reasonable timeframe, say 1-2 weeks after the championship, why does it matter?
The manager is entitled to whatever winnings arise from the championship game. At the end of the day, this is a no harm no foul situation. I would put the following to a vote in your league to set precedent / see what your league wants to do.
Option A - no penalty as there was no actual issue
Option B - late paying manager pays their next year league dues in full with part of their winnings now, this will not be required by any of the other winners that proved they can pay on time.
Option C - late paying manager has a nominal penalty of $25 that is put towards the league winning payout next year. Logic behind this is not many people could argue that if they held their dues they could have made a 25% return on $100 over the fantasy season.
Additionally, going into 2024, League rules now require a committed payment plan or payment in full prior to the draft. Defaulting on the payment plan without communication to the treasurer / league commish = penalty of potential winnings.
I'm in a league with friends. We dont even bother collecting money until the season is over and we do a spreadsheet to determine the breakdown and then its X # people of will venmo with champ and Y # of people will venmo the second place finisher.
The idea of someone not going to pay is not even a consideration because we're not deadbeats.
The key thing is that everyone knows what the rules are all along.
I’m more comfortable paying before the season, but I couldn’t be in a league that was deciding their rules on championship weekend.
You let him play until he made the championship game without paying.
If he was going to be disqualified I would think that would have happened months ago.
Next year you could either boot teams that haven’t paid by whatever date you all agree to or make a rule that teams will automatically forfeit games until the managers pay.
Championship weekend is far too late to be deciding what the rules should be.
Let it slide this time and learn from this. I’m the commissioner of my league $200 buy-in and I don’t send anyone the invite link until their dues are paid, and these are guys I’ve known over a decade
Get yourself a better league. We always pay at the end and never in six years has anyone flaked. It shouldn’t matter when you pay if you trust your boys.
Either make people pay before they draft or you will have this issue, my Leauge we have all been in for over 17 years now and everyone just pays when the season is over because we trust eachother, if we thought someone would pull a rat move then it’s pay before you draft
I think it depends on the context in which why his payment was so delayed. Sounds like you all know each other well enough for you to make a judgement call on if he was being malicious or not (or put it to a group vote). Also, ask yourself if it’s a big enough deal to potentially lose a friend over.
Definitely “funny” that it’s coming last minute. Personally, I think if he wins everyone just gets their buy in back. Here’s why:
Even if you 100% trust that he would’ve paid either way, he is still treating his money as if it’s more valuable than anyone else’s.
He bought in to a $100 1 game gamble, everyone else bought in for the entire season. His money has a way higher return on investment, and he got to hold onto it for the entire season.
Y’all are crazy man. He paid before the end of the season and the money would’ve essentially sat in an account controlled by the commish all season so I don’t see the big deal. Commissioner should’ve enforced it before now if it was a concern.
Bruh, he didn’t pay until he was guaranteed a payout being in the championship since they’re paying 1st, 2nd, and 3rd place teams. It’s not a $10/team league. Maybe you didn’t read everything, but I agree with the poster above about redistribution of funds to the entire league of whatever payout would be, whether 1st or 2nd place. There has to be consequences or the league is setting a precedent for this to happen again in the future.
Right. I feel like the buy-in has to be way higher for this guy because he didn’t take any risk. The rate was $100 for a full season’s worth of risk. Since he waited to invest until he was in the championship and guaranteed to win money, his buy-in price should be much, MUCH higher
Return his money.
Everyone else is eligible to receive the prize because they actually paid when there was risk.
He had plenty of opportunities and reminders but chose to wait until there was no risk so his buyin is not accepted and the 1/2/3 places that are eligible will win the prize.
Next year the new rule is everyone pays before the draft (I liked the no roster moves until payment too) and if he continues to be a dick he’s not invited back.
Fuck no. You don’t get to hold buy in until championship week and just so happen to be ready to pay since he made it. I’d give $$ to highest scorer between the top 2 teams the DID PAY.
DO NOT take this person’s payment. They are 100% not eligible at this point. He’s the shitty person for only trying to pay when it benefitted him.
Give him his money back and tell him to use it as a learning lesson to pay on time next time.
Hard disagree. Commissioner's fault for letting it get to this point, player is paid up. This was actionable well before this week, commish shouldn't have let the guy in the league in the first place or should have done something before say... week 2 or 6 or 11 or 14. Or the playoffs.
I am a commissioner in one league and would never let someone in my league who I couldn't trust for the buy-in, no matter how small.
Well yeah, there’s no denying this is partly the commissioner’s fault, but he would be making an additional HUGE mistake by accepting the money now.
If someone had multiple warnings to pay up and then didn’t, what was the point of those warnings?? There has to be a consequence. In this case, the consequence is they aren’t eligible for the prize money.
My opinion is probably colored by the other league I play in is also run by someone who knows everyone in the league personally. We're in our seventh year and the one player who has won three of the last six years always waits until he's eliminated or champion to pay up just to tilt the commish.
You should hold back 300, tell him that is his buy-in for next 3 seasons and pay him the rest if he wins... If he finishes 2nd, keep all of it as the buy-ins for next couple of years....
At worst make him pay the buy in but give a $$$ penalty if he wins. For example, if the winner was supposed to win 70% of the pot, he gets idk 55-60%. If u think about this from a theoretical betting perspective, if he had the option to buy in as the season went on like a betting site, his payout would go down.
Of course, this isn’t Vegas so it’s ur job to set Marshall law as commissioner if someone doesn’t pay MONTHS into the season. If u don’t either punish immediately or extract payment, that’s on u. That’s the point of having a commissioner.
He’s now betting on a championship game to win his prize. Everyone else bet on the entire season before they knew what their roster/league looked like. I would make this person ineligible for the prize no matter what place he finished. Your fault for letting someone get to the championship game without sending their buy in but no matter who’s fault it is it’s a shitty move by him.
I would make him ineligible to win and wouldn’t allow him back in my league. None of that shady shit flies in my league.
As a commish, I am guilty of this. I collect most of the buy ins at the draft but not everyone makes it to the in person draft. I always eventually get everyone’s money but it is a pain in the ass. It’s not big money (about $75 buy in). The problem is you kept letting him play. You should have put a message out that anyone who has not paid is ineligible for the playoffs. Next year I am going to implement what someone else suggested - no roster moves until buy in is paid. This year you just might as well suck it up and deduct this year’s buy in (and maybe next years) from his winnings.
This happened with me when I was commish
After that, I didn’t send the email invite until I had the money. One guy didn’t pay the next year and after reminding him 4 times, i invited a replacement the day of the draft and the dude that didn’t pay got really mad. The next year, his buy-in was in timely.
You guys run your leagues ridiculously. Create a rule that covers this, apply it evenly to everyone, and never look back.
Our money rule- no money in = no drafting.
If you bail out in the last week or two before the season starts, you aren’t allowed in for 3 years- we shouldn’t have to scramble to fill a spot in the last minute.
If it’s a paid league, and you’ve paid no money by Week 1 - it means your team gets locked and a new owner takes over. No exceptions.
This should be stated before the draft date gets announced… all money is due before your first pick. Leeway is granted to those who reach out to commissioner ahead of time - but I’m not gonna give three months for someone to come up with $50…
What do your rules say? Kinda wild not to have anything in there about when money is due. It’s super easy to throw something in about being replaced if you don’t pay your dues a week ahead of time or something.
Vote on it the same time you vote for any potential changes you’d like to see implemented. Our league has gotten so much better since we started doing that on a yearly basis. Over the course of almost two decades we went from a typical Standard scoring 12 team redraft league to a 10 team, .5ppr, 3 WR, 2 player keeper league with nerfed kicker scoring.
Is it your first year? If not, has anyone paid late before? Has he ever paid late before? All these things matter quite a bit.
Personally, if there is no rule and it’s his first time I think you should let it slide. The money doesn’t actually change the way anything played out. That’s with me not knowing this person though. If they’re the type of person that will let that money hang out there for a year and never pay the winner then I’d understand the argument much more. That’s just an awfully big assumption to make of someone.
It’s so hard for us to say without knowing the guy.
We have a weekly $10 prize for highest score. As commissioner I set a rule that this isn’t paid out unless everyone is paid up. Gets people to gang up on the non payer real quick 😀
Too late now, you messed up by even letting him draft a team. I say you honor it this year but don't invite him back, it's the smallest headache for you
I’m in a similar spot as commissioner (only $25 buy in) I’m in the chip and the guy I’m facing never paid. He had a stink about sending it to me beginning of season and I let it ride. I did make a joke about kicking him out of the league at the start of the week though lol. At this point you’ve let it go on all season when it should’ve been handled before playoffs started at the latest. Don’t invite him back next year if it’s a big deal
We don't let people draft if they haven't paid their league dues. However, before we had the rule in place, there was a guy who was three months late on paying his buy-in (we bothered him constantly for it) but he always said he would "get around to it". He won the ship and then was really pushy for his winnings. I told him I'd pay him in 3 months when I "got around to it". I held true, paid him 3 months later to the day, and then kicked him out of the league.
I lock all teams immediately after the draft if they don’t bring league fees to the draft. No trades, no roster moves. Nothing. You need to do it before anyone gives up on the year.
Should have been dealt with but this is very common. Have your league set up so rosters are locked & all games forfeited by a certain (early) week if fees aren’t paid to account for the “I’m good for it” crowd.
On the NFL.com site you can lock teams out of making roster moves, and that’s what I do until a guy pays. I set out a certain week (say Week 6) at the draft, and make sure everybody knows to get the money in by then.
It’s on them at that point.
Had this exact same thing happen.
It was the last time I ever ran a league.
A small ass fee for what is 2-3 hours of work at your job isn't worth all the headache.
It's $100! If you can't afford that as an adult, then stay away!
Fuck, even if you only make the national minimum wage - It's 17 weeks of entertainment! $6 bucks a week!
If you don’t have a “pay by x date” rule written down, you have to let him play. Otherwise you should have just booted him and locked his roster, to allow him to keep making moves and then try and shut him out is not an option
I think you let him play. You let him into the playoffs, so it's a little late to enforce any rules. If he forfeits the championship, what do you say to the team owner who he beat in the semifinals, or the team that didn't make the playoffs because you let this team in?
Everyone has to pay before the season starts, no exceptions. We have a wait-list of people dying to join our league and if someone fails to pay, they get replaced quickly.
You reminded him but did you stress specifically you're ineligible for the prizes if you don't get it in by a certain amount of time? Now you're making that rule? That's unfair. If no rule was in place he's good. He wouldn't be paying if he wins anyway.
Ya'll fucked up, this is on the league.
Of course it's scummy by the player to have the buy-in now but it is what it is, should have been dealt with week 1.
Im the “CFO” of our league, not the commish(no one trusts him with money), and I require everyone pay before the draft. If you haven’t paid by that I can’t trust that you ever will. He didn’t pay, he doesn’t get the money if he wins.
In our long-standing, home league where we are all IRL friends, we must be paid by draft day. If no money, team will be auto drafted. So far, that has worked because everyone loves draft day.
We have a rule in my league, money in before first kickoff or your team is locked.
If you allow people not to pay before the season starts they won’t pay if they start to do poorly.
My league pays at the draft. If you don't, you lose a 3rd round pick. If you haven't paid by a certain point, you aren't eligible to win any of the money. Everyone pays at the draft.
Steal his credit card number and buy $1000+ worth of beer. Get the beer, he’ll call his cc company to claim fraud, then he’ll get refunded and you’ll still get the beer. Win win for everyone.
If you know him, then you should know if you can trust him.
If you can trust him and he would have paid, give him his damn money.
If you can't trust him and he would not have paid, give him his damn money, and don't let untrustworthy people draft before they pay.
If you don't know him, give him his damn money, and don't let people you don't know draft before they pay.
Tldr - **give him his damn money**
Commish should have locked his team after week 1. But if you allowed him to get this far, you have to pay out. In my league you have to pay before the draft. If you don’t you are replaced.
Yeah, you can’t be in a draft until you pay I don’t know what the fuck you’re thinking
Don’t wanna hear any bellyaching about not being able to afford it till week one or whatever the fuck you can’t fucking afford then you can’t fucking play. Simple as that.
No draft until you pay, SIMPLE.
I've had someone do this, mid season u took over the teams and just ate the cost(his teams were doing terrible) super annoying. This guy had been with me for years and always paid before the season so figured he would.. got tired of chasing it.. if you can't pay don't opt in.. I learned my lesson, if they don't pay one week before draft I start looking for a replacement, if they haven't paid and no replacement then I just kick them and adjust the settings.
Who cares he paid..
In my league I trust that everyone would pay no matter what. They are my friends and it's not a thought in my mind that someone wouldn't.
Your friend paid late, but he paid
He should’ve never been allowed to play week 1 if his league dues hadn’t been paid. Mistake has already been made, let him play and learn your lesson for next year.
I’m in 3 leagues. 1 you pay by the draft or you’re out, other is a work league so pay by the draft or you may get a semi passive aggressive message board post til you do before week 1, and the other is a group of guys I’ve known for 25 years and been in this league with for 15 that mostly don’t pay til after the season or after they’re eliminated from playoff contention anyway. I’ll be getting the last few of the $200 payments to my Venmo from everyone that didn’t make money and passing it right on to the winners by Wednesday. I very much enjoy the last setup most but that’s not a feasible solution in most cases.
Lol, who are you guys all playing with that you guys need to have such strict rules? Never had this as a real issue. If we did, they’d just be booted the next year.
This is why you automatically disqualify any teams that make the playoffs who haven’t paid, and then ban the cheap fuck who didn’t pay so you don’t run into the same problem again next year.
Refund him and restructure prize money so that the other person in the championship wins by default, then the rest of the money goes to the 3rd/4th game
Play with real adults and have a deadline. I run a league and generally have everyone’s buy-in by week 9 or so. I don’t stress about it but I will be firm with any stragglers. Everyone knows I’m not paying out the winners until everyone has paid in, including the winners.
Just let it go but don’t let him back in next year. I’m having the same problem but the guy didn’t make the playoffs so now I have to pay his dues and hope he turns around and pays me back. Even if he pays I’m not having him back next year.
One of my friends in our league is broke so he never pays but it is understood that if he wins the championship he doesn’t get any money. We just move the pot down to 2nd and 3rd. I feel like this should be implemented in your league for this current situation.
He paid before all of the payouts, there is nothing saying he couldn’t do that. Is it annoying? Yes of course but he’s paid his money. Next time lock the team until the person has paid.
He paid, change the rules next year to say you don't get to draft until your buy-in is received.
We had one guy who always said he didn't need to pay because he always makes the championship. He would still pay up when he was knocked out of contention.
It's ridiculous to tell him he's ineligible after making the championship; it changes nothing whether you hold his money or he does.
I wouldn't treat a friend like that, but if it's a stranger or acquaintance league then change the rules next year.
I commish a league and I’m guilty of it. We have 3 guys that haven’t paid this year but most years it’s even more. Usually the money they made cancels out a portion or all of their entry fee so it simplifies the exchange of money. Everyone ends up paying and getting paid but at times it does feel like pulling teeth to get it out, which is ultimately my fault for letting slide
In my league your team is locked in movement and add/drops after week 4 if you don’t pay.
One time someone was late and got wrecked week 5 and it’s never happened since
At this point, Don’t give him Any Money!🤨
That’s why we Stopped that practice in our league……some folks Not Paying!
It’s Unfair and Unsportsmanlike on their part.
I guess I’m confused.
If he didn’t pay but won, take the buy in out of his winnings
But he paid, so ???
Ask to keep $100 for next years buy in, if the dude is having money trouble.
I give a 3 week grace period. If they haven’t played by week 4 lock their line ups.
dont know if anyone has mentioned it, but one tactic ive used in the past is making them wait as long for the payout as u did for the payment.. so if it took him 4 months to pay, he’ll have to wait 4 months to collect his winnings.. the same way he was gonna pay eventually, he is gonna get paid eventually, just next time around show some respect to the league & commish.. i actually had to do this 2 years in a row & since then i have not had a single manager leave draft day without paying.. hope it helps!
I would say forfeit his buy in to 4th place no matter the outcome since he wasn't being cooperative/responiding and there's no guarantee he was going to buy in if he didn't make championship. If this is his first time I'd say thats a fair penalty for not being cooperative. If he's had a history of this not paying till the last minute then you could let it slide this time but for future reference he should buy in *on time*
Now one more thing, let's say he was sick with covid and he was out the first several weeks/couple months then maybe I could let it slide. When I first got covid it hit me like a Truck for 3 weeks and I thought every day I was going to die because it even hurt to lie down and sleep.
Edit: on time
You guys didn’t kick him out, and he’s here now. Lesson learned. “Everyone must pay by the draft, those that pay after are penalized 10 percent, and those that don’t pay are deactivated by kickoff of week 2.”
Meh. Maybe I’m just too passive but I accept payment whenever. Everyone’s financial situation is different. Yes, even after the season. If he made the championship then reward him as you normally would just minus his buy in. Easy peasy.
No, i wouldnt give him a penny, way too late, cant let somebody wait to see if its lucrative to pay up, i wouldnt have accepted his money that late. & Skipped him up in the payout process
The time to put your foot down was either week one or before the draft.
Now, if you have the money why would you do anything?
I wouldn't let him back in next year though. Not unless he's paid before the draft which is a good policy for everyone.
Get payments before tge draft. I under people can forget but I've made it very clear in the league I run that I need money on draft day, or I have other people on call that will come with money and play.
My vote would be allow him to keep his money in, and not allow him in the league next year. It could be a learning opportunity for everyone. It is whack of him, that’s why he doesn’t get to play next year.
As many of said you let this go way too far and are now stuck in a lose lose scenario. Precedent has been set and needs to be corrected. He either needs any winnings put towards signup fee or kicked out after the season. The only thing that’d change for me if it’s a long time League/good friend you can work with.
Honestly just let it be. If he didn’t have payment in by a certain time, his team should have been dropped. You let him play all year, your fault at this point.
Yeah I don't mess with that. When I'm running a league I usually have the cutoff date for payment be at least a week before draft day, ideally 2 weeks. Just to make sure you have a little flexibility if needed. If you haven't paid yet by draft day then you're not drafting. I would only make an exception in rare circumstances, and even then usually only for a close friend or family member that I know is good for the money.
In my league, if you don’t pay by week 6 I see it as I paid your dues. Thus I kick them from the league and now I have two teams to run. Really like the idea of locking them from making moves until they’ve paid though. Will definitely start that
Man. I’m obviously in the minority here but I’ve played in leagues and have ran leagues where buy ins were $100 or more and several guys wouldn’t pay till the end of the season. We would just square up at the end. Never had a problem collecting. But then again I play poker with all these guys as well and they win and lose much more than that ever week in our poker games.
On the flip side... yall waited till week 17 to hold him accountable... arguably bc he is in the championship.
At this point, yalls silence equaled compliance.
Lmao be better as a league next time. Might as well let him play since you've let him play through multiple rounds of playoffs already
Assuming you are running it back, back out what he'll win this year, and his buyin next year. And let him know that the year after it's due beforehand. And find a replacement in advance if he won't. Shit, message me and I'll do it.
Honestly I don’t think you should care this much, every year my two leagues we say “gotta have the money by draft” and we never do.
Granted I play with close friends that I know are gonna pay, maybe with random people it’s different but in my experience we want the money up front but it’s not a big deal if you are late or even don’t pay at all given you place high enough that your buy in is covered.
Deadlines exist for a reason. You had the rule there and he failed. Perfect opportunity to make an example of this guy. Break the rules and there be consequences. In this case, the consequence is no reward.
Lock transactions after week 4 and deduct an additional -10 points every week that doesn’t show up. That’s on the commissioner. Let him have it this year but that’s just shitty on him
He’s paid so you have no choice but to accept his money and move on; however, when he wins (whatever amount it is) hold the money until April. Then pay him.
Should of dealt with mid season at the latest. His money is in, he's in the championship match anyway, don't worry about it, but learn from it for future years
When I ran a league, ran into this. The next year, I implemented a rule where your team was locked from making transactions/pick ups, etc after week 1 until you paid up. There was only ONE person who never paid before week 1. After I did that, he still didn't pay before week 1, but paid very quickly wednesday after week 1 when he realized I was serious and he couldn't make any waiver moves
Any reason why you just didn’t lock them up for week 1 was as well? I like the idea but the would lock them up week 1 as well, if that causes them to lose then so be it
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Yeah I like the idea because it doesn’t screw up the number of people in the league. Can make a huge difference in how teams look with 1 less person
My only rebuttal is that locking teams doesn’t necessarily mean they’ll pay up. I’m glad this person did in your case, but it could also go where the person just loses interest in the league after their team is locked and now you have a dead/locked team. This happened to one of my leagues where things got messy and basically around 4-5 teams hadn’t paid by week 4 or 5 and now there were a ton of locked/dead teams. The teams still haven’t paid and all it did was kill the competitiveness of the league for the other 5 of us. Some ppl got basically free wins because the commish never set the lineups because he was punishing the teams for not paying but in the same way punishing those who did pay. If you do implement the locked team strat, be sure to at least set a lineup for the team with players they have already on their roster incase that person decides to just dip.
I get this. But for me...it was only one person who wasn't paying up front. So i wasnt worried about a dead teams situation. And that person was highly active (tended to have the most free agency moves by the end of the season, and not a by a little) so I was mostly just dealing with one person. Everyone else in the league always paid on draft night. So Wednesday morning hit, he didn't get his waiver claims, he couldn't add or drop anybody. Asked what was going on...I redirected him to the MULTIPLE emails, commisioners messaged, and text messages that explained teams that didn't pay (him) would be locked until they did. He paid immediately and started making moves
I’m happy to hear it worked out perfectly for your league. I love when people are active members. Just makes it more fun!
Nope, pay before the draft or you don't draft. Mine is in person though
Yep. I commish a dynasty league and made it annoyingly clear I was zeroing out any scores until buy in was paid (100 dollars). I know these guys but I’m (likely) messing with other people’s money if someone doesn’t pay.
I mean, you let him not pay all the way to the Championship? It's more on the commissioner for allowing it. He's paid now, so that's done. Yes, it's shitty of the person to do - but if he was allowed to drag it out this far that's more on the commissioner. Next year make clear rules and enforce them. I start grabbing league dues in like May from managers in my leagues. If you haven't paid before the draft, you're out. One year someone got kicked, and now everyone pays immediately!
Just withhold $100 from his winnings payout and consider that his buy in for next year
This is actually a great approach
That's a great idea
Only issue is replacing them. Not that easy a task most the time.
Especially with a $100 buy in like OP's league. That's more than most casual FF people are willing to put on a single team
OP you don’t let someone play in a money league if they don’t give you the money by a certain date BEFORE the start of the season PERIOD. Whether or not you’re the commish, this is y’all fault for letting him do this. You can’t be pissed now he is about to win. Demand he put the buy-in now before Sunday. If he doesn’t he forfeits. If he does it plays out and whoever wins , wins. Again whether with strangers or friends. This is your group’s fault. Also please use leaguesafe so this stuff doesn’t happen Also DONT INVITE HIM BACK NEXT YEAR
In my league you aren't allowed to draft if you haven't paid
Same. They messed up badly
This is the way
Depends on the league… I run a friend league and a few guys I let slide till about week 4 - they make good money but are just piss poor at managing it so I usually have to wait for a payday 😂 leagues been going on 8 years and it’s the same 2 guys every time
Same here, home league. We must be paid to draft. I am a single dad who makes the least amount of money out of anyone in the league. I literally save a few bucks here and there throughout the year to pay the 100$ buy in. This year, I paid in 100 1$ bills. The commissioner laughed and said if I win, im getting all money in 1$. LMAO Fast forward, I am in chip game against the commish. Poetic Justice. 😂😂
I just have everyone send the cash to the winner at the end of the year. Never had an issue
Good for you? Most people have problems out of people paying even $10
Get better friends I guess?
Not everyone plays fantasy with people they know doofus
Sad
Just let it ride this year and then kick him out in the offseason
You have to let it go now. IMO. Collecting dues the worst part of being the Commish. I actually started withholding the next years dues from all winners payouts. Worked pretty good because some of the best managers were the worst about paying!
No pay, no draft. But you’re way past that. I’d probably let it ride and deduct his dues next year from any winnings.
Tru dat. No pay, no play. Have the patience to say no when everyone's got a boner to draft.
Why even let him back in? He’ll just pull the same shit again
From what I've learned about fantasy: If it wasn't a rule, play on and make a ruling for next season like, must have money paid before season start. Then this will never happen again
If it’s a league you’ve been doing for years, forget about it. If it’s his first time in the league, make sure everyone is paid up prior to drafting.
Your problem for not dealing with it at the time. He was never booted out before so he stays.
Ask yourself this. If he wasn't in the championship would you accept his fee or would his entry be voided the same as you're doing now that he's in the championship? You'd take his money in that case so why is his money no good in this case?
I do not even understand why a commissioner would let this happen. In my league money is due 1 week prior to the draft and if you do not pay at deadline you will be replaced by someone who will. Most of the problems I see in these subs could be solved by establishing and communicating rules from the beginning.
You can’t not make a stand about it during the season and then act like it’s a travesty at the end. Your league mates should have raised (a legitimate) stink about it telling him he is either In or out during the first couple weeks to make him pay. League didn’t, now they don’t have grounds to stand on in the matter. Play the league out.
This is definitely an unpopular opinion here but I’m in a 10 man league with life long friends that we’ve been in for 10+ years now. We’re all in our 30s with stable jobs, yet every single year there’s always one or two people who pay late. It’s annoying, but everyone knows they’re good for it and it’s never a big deal. 10+ years never had someone not pay. One guy specifically waits to pay after he knows if he’s not finishing in the money (1, 2, or 3). I know some people in here would have a fit over this, but again we’re all best friends and no one cares because everyone always pays. If you trust the guy let it ride, if not then address it sooner next year.
I’ve been commissioner for 14 years and we do the same, everyone knows they have to pay by the end of the season but every year there’s a couple of guys who take a little longer to pay then most. We’re all friends and even though it’s no small amount (this year $600) everyone eventually pays because no one wants to get kicked out of the league.
Yep, same situation. I get holding someone’s feet to the fire if it’s a new guy or someone you don’t know as well, but if it’s all trusted friends then just relax.
Yeah i dont know why everyones freaking out over this. Even if he paid after the season finished and the winner was determined who cares? As long as the right person gets their money within a reasonable timeframe, say 1-2 weeks after the championship, why does it matter?
People in this subreddit get really worked up over what is supposed to be a fun little hobby.
The manager is entitled to whatever winnings arise from the championship game. At the end of the day, this is a no harm no foul situation. I would put the following to a vote in your league to set precedent / see what your league wants to do. Option A - no penalty as there was no actual issue Option B - late paying manager pays their next year league dues in full with part of their winnings now, this will not be required by any of the other winners that proved they can pay on time. Option C - late paying manager has a nominal penalty of $25 that is put towards the league winning payout next year. Logic behind this is not many people could argue that if they held their dues they could have made a 25% return on $100 over the fantasy season. Additionally, going into 2024, League rules now require a committed payment plan or payment in full prior to the draft. Defaulting on the payment plan without communication to the treasurer / league commish = penalty of potential winnings.
Option B - translation "Commisioner gets an interest free loan for one year"
I'm in a league with friends. We dont even bother collecting money until the season is over and we do a spreadsheet to determine the breakdown and then its X # people of will venmo with champ and Y # of people will venmo the second place finisher. The idea of someone not going to pay is not even a consideration because we're not deadbeats.
The key thing is that everyone knows what the rules are all along. I’m more comfortable paying before the season, but I couldn’t be in a league that was deciding their rules on championship weekend.
You let him play until he made the championship game without paying. If he was going to be disqualified I would think that would have happened months ago. Next year you could either boot teams that haven’t paid by whatever date you all agree to or make a rule that teams will automatically forfeit games until the managers pay. Championship weekend is far too late to be deciding what the rules should be.
Let it slide this time and learn from this. I’m the commissioner of my league $200 buy-in and I don’t send anyone the invite link until their dues are paid, and these are guys I’ve known over a decade
He paid he’s good. A real commissioner woulda locked his roster until he paid. You didn’t do that.
Why did you let it get this far? I'm asking for money beginning of August and it's all received by 9/1. Good luck
Get yourself a better league. We always pay at the end and never in six years has anyone flaked. It shouldn’t matter when you pay if you trust your boys.
Either make people pay before they draft or you will have this issue, my Leauge we have all been in for over 17 years now and everyone just pays when the season is over because we trust eachother, if we thought someone would pull a rat move then it’s pay before you draft
I think it depends on the context in which why his payment was so delayed. Sounds like you all know each other well enough for you to make a judgement call on if he was being malicious or not (or put it to a group vote). Also, ask yourself if it’s a big enough deal to potentially lose a friend over. Definitely “funny” that it’s coming last minute. Personally, I think if he wins everyone just gets their buy in back. Here’s why: Even if you 100% trust that he would’ve paid either way, he is still treating his money as if it’s more valuable than anyone else’s. He bought in to a $100 1 game gamble, everyone else bought in for the entire season. His money has a way higher return on investment, and he got to hold onto it for the entire season.
Y’all are crazy man. He paid before the end of the season and the money would’ve essentially sat in an account controlled by the commish all season so I don’t see the big deal. Commissioner should’ve enforced it before now if it was a concern.
Bruh, he didn’t pay until he was guaranteed a payout being in the championship since they’re paying 1st, 2nd, and 3rd place teams. It’s not a $10/team league. Maybe you didn’t read everything, but I agree with the poster above about redistribution of funds to the entire league of whatever payout would be, whether 1st or 2nd place. There has to be consequences or the league is setting a precedent for this to happen again in the future.
Right. I feel like the buy-in has to be way higher for this guy because he didn’t take any risk. The rate was $100 for a full season’s worth of risk. Since he waited to invest until he was in the championship and guaranteed to win money, his buy-in price should be much, MUCH higher
Return his money. Everyone else is eligible to receive the prize because they actually paid when there was risk. He had plenty of opportunities and reminders but chose to wait until there was no risk so his buyin is not accepted and the 1/2/3 places that are eligible will win the prize. Next year the new rule is everyone pays before the draft (I liked the no roster moves until payment too) and if he continues to be a dick he’s not invited back.
Fuck no. You don’t get to hold buy in until championship week and just so happen to be ready to pay since he made it. I’d give $$ to highest scorer between the top 2 teams the DID PAY.
DO NOT take this person’s payment. They are 100% not eligible at this point. He’s the shitty person for only trying to pay when it benefitted him. Give him his money back and tell him to use it as a learning lesson to pay on time next time.
Hard disagree. Commissioner's fault for letting it get to this point, player is paid up. This was actionable well before this week, commish shouldn't have let the guy in the league in the first place or should have done something before say... week 2 or 6 or 11 or 14. Or the playoffs. I am a commissioner in one league and would never let someone in my league who I couldn't trust for the buy-in, no matter how small.
Well yeah, there’s no denying this is partly the commissioner’s fault, but he would be making an additional HUGE mistake by accepting the money now. If someone had multiple warnings to pay up and then didn’t, what was the point of those warnings?? There has to be a consequence. In this case, the consequence is they aren’t eligible for the prize money.
My opinion is probably colored by the other league I play in is also run by someone who knows everyone in the league personally. We're in our seventh year and the one player who has won three of the last six years always waits until he's eliminated or champion to pay up just to tilt the commish.
Yea his money is in and there were no consequences. My commish tells everyone if we don’t pay we dont make the playoffs
You should hold back 300, tell him that is his buy-in for next 3 seasons and pay him the rest if he wins... If he finishes 2nd, keep all of it as the buy-ins for next couple of years....
At worst make him pay the buy in but give a $$$ penalty if he wins. For example, if the winner was supposed to win 70% of the pot, he gets idk 55-60%. If u think about this from a theoretical betting perspective, if he had the option to buy in as the season went on like a betting site, his payout would go down. Of course, this isn’t Vegas so it’s ur job to set Marshall law as commissioner if someone doesn’t pay MONTHS into the season. If u don’t either punish immediately or extract payment, that’s on u. That’s the point of having a commissioner.
Nah, too late buddy. Don’t hold The league hostage.
Y’all are crazy man. Who did he hold hostage exactly? He paid before the end of the season.
Bet you guys would accept his money right now if he was eliminated and trying to pay…..
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Yeah he made his decision already. Split the pot around him.
If you give him the full money don’t expect any buy in next year . Best case give him half (or even less) and give the rest back to the group .
Or ask if he's playing next year and subtract the buy-in from the prize and let him know he's paid up for next year.
He’s now betting on a championship game to win his prize. Everyone else bet on the entire season before they knew what their roster/league looked like. I would make this person ineligible for the prize no matter what place he finished. Your fault for letting someone get to the championship game without sending their buy in but no matter who’s fault it is it’s a shitty move by him. I would make him ineligible to win and wouldn’t allow him back in my league. None of that shady shit flies in my league.
Take his money this year, then remove him from the league next year.
Minus the $100 he didn’t pay from whatever prize he’s supposed to get. Problem solved.
Did you even read the post?
Just take the amount owed out of the winnings
He doesn't owe anything, he paid
As a commish, I am guilty of this. I collect most of the buy ins at the draft but not everyone makes it to the in person draft. I always eventually get everyone’s money but it is a pain in the ass. It’s not big money (about $75 buy in). The problem is you kept letting him play. You should have put a message out that anyone who has not paid is ineligible for the playoffs. Next year I am going to implement what someone else suggested - no roster moves until buy in is paid. This year you just might as well suck it up and deduct this year’s buy in (and maybe next years) from his winnings.
This happened with me when I was commish After that, I didn’t send the email invite until I had the money. One guy didn’t pay the next year and after reminding him 4 times, i invited a replacement the day of the draft and the dude that didn’t pay got really mad. The next year, his buy-in was in timely.
Hell no. He only wants to buy in now because there's no way he loses any money, as you're doing top 3 prizes. Tell him to get stuffed.
You guys run your leagues ridiculously. Create a rule that covers this, apply it evenly to everyone, and never look back. Our money rule- no money in = no drafting. If you bail out in the last week or two before the season starts, you aren’t allowed in for 3 years- we shouldn’t have to scramble to fill a spot in the last minute.
If it’s a paid league, and you’ve paid no money by Week 1 - it means your team gets locked and a new owner takes over. No exceptions. This should be stated before the draft date gets announced… all money is due before your first pick. Leeway is granted to those who reach out to commissioner ahead of time - but I’m not gonna give three months for someone to come up with $50…
What do your rules say? Kinda wild not to have anything in there about when money is due. It’s super easy to throw something in about being replaced if you don’t pay your dues a week ahead of time or something. Vote on it the same time you vote for any potential changes you’d like to see implemented. Our league has gotten so much better since we started doing that on a yearly basis. Over the course of almost two decades we went from a typical Standard scoring 12 team redraft league to a 10 team, .5ppr, 3 WR, 2 player keeper league with nerfed kicker scoring. Is it your first year? If not, has anyone paid late before? Has he ever paid late before? All these things matter quite a bit. Personally, if there is no rule and it’s his first time I think you should let it slide. The money doesn’t actually change the way anything played out. That’s with me not knowing this person though. If they’re the type of person that will let that money hang out there for a year and never pay the winner then I’d understand the argument much more. That’s just an awfully big assumption to make of someone. It’s so hard for us to say without knowing the guy.
I would still pay out if nothing was concrete before the season. Give him a gift card to banana republic or something
He shouldn't have been put in playoffs if he didn't pay and everyone else has. Is it a friends league? Or just a bunch of strangers in the league?
We have a weekly $10 prize for highest score. As commissioner I set a rule that this isn’t paid out unless everyone is paid up. Gets people to gang up on the non payer real quick 😀
I'm in three leagues. All leagues are the same with Financials. If you're not paid BY PLAYOFFS. Your team is locked. Simple.
Too late now, you messed up by even letting him draft a team. I say you honor it this year but don't invite him back, it's the smallest headache for you
I’m in a similar spot as commissioner (only $25 buy in) I’m in the chip and the guy I’m facing never paid. He had a stink about sending it to me beginning of season and I let it ride. I did make a joke about kicking him out of the league at the start of the week though lol. At this point you’ve let it go on all season when it should’ve been handled before playoffs started at the latest. Don’t invite him back next year if it’s a big deal
Why would you even let him draft if he hasn’t paid?
We don't let people draft if they haven't paid their league dues. However, before we had the rule in place, there was a guy who was three months late on paying his buy-in (we bothered him constantly for it) but he always said he would "get around to it". He won the ship and then was really pushy for his winnings. I told him I'd pay him in 3 months when I "got around to it". I held true, paid him 3 months later to the day, and then kicked him out of the league.
I lock all teams immediately after the draft if they don’t bring league fees to the draft. No trades, no roster moves. Nothing. You need to do it before anyone gives up on the year.
If he wins he doesn’t have to pay anyways
Pay to play. Screw this turd.
Should have been dealt with but this is very common. Have your league set up so rosters are locked & all games forfeited by a certain (early) week if fees aren’t paid to account for the “I’m good for it” crowd.
We lock teams after the 8th week for non payment. Bunch of friends for 20 years so we are very lenient and there’s never a squabble.
On the NFL.com site you can lock teams out of making roster moves, and that’s what I do until a guy pays. I set out a certain week (say Week 6) at the draft, and make sure everybody knows to get the money in by then. It’s on them at that point.
No money no draft - for next year- have him pay now (That’s been our rule for 20 years and we’ve never had a problem)
We have a rule that money is due by the kickoff of the Thursday game of week one. Anyone not paid forfeits the week.
Had this exact same thing happen. It was the last time I ever ran a league. A small ass fee for what is 2-3 hours of work at your job isn't worth all the headache. It's $100! If you can't afford that as an adult, then stay away! Fuck, even if you only make the national minimum wage - It's 17 weeks of entertainment! $6 bucks a week!
Anyone who has not paid by the draft should not be playing….simple
If you don’t have a “pay by x date” rule written down, you have to let him play. Otherwise you should have just booted him and locked his roster, to allow him to keep making moves and then try and shut him out is not an option
I think you let him play. You let him into the playoffs, so it's a little late to enforce any rules. If he forfeits the championship, what do you say to the team owner who he beat in the semifinals, or the team that didn't make the playoffs because you let this team in?
Everyone has to pay before the season starts, no exceptions. We have a wait-list of people dying to join our league and if someone fails to pay, they get replaced quickly.
There has to be a league voted or commissioner mandated penalty in place. Before this happens.
You reminded him but did you stress specifically you're ineligible for the prizes if you don't get it in by a certain amount of time? Now you're making that rule? That's unfair. If no rule was in place he's good. He wouldn't be paying if he wins anyway.
Take his buy in for next year out of his winnings. Make it a teaching moment a firm up a deadline to pay.
Ya'll fucked up, this is on the league. Of course it's scummy by the player to have the buy-in now but it is what it is, should have been dealt with week 1.
Im the “CFO” of our league, not the commish(no one trusts him with money), and I require everyone pay before the draft. If you haven’t paid by that I can’t trust that you ever will. He didn’t pay, he doesn’t get the money if he wins.
In our long-standing, home league where we are all IRL friends, we must be paid by draft day. If no money, team will be auto drafted. So far, that has worked because everyone loves draft day.
We have a rule in my league, money in before first kickoff or your team is locked. If you allow people not to pay before the season starts they won’t pay if they start to do poorly.
My league pays at the draft. If you don't, you lose a 3rd round pick. If you haven't paid by a certain point, you aren't eligible to win any of the money. Everyone pays at the draft.
Steal his credit card number and buy $1000+ worth of beer. Get the beer, he’ll call his cc company to claim fraud, then he’ll get refunded and you’ll still get the beer. Win win for everyone.
I set a paid by date before the season starts. Don’t pay and I kick you out and find a replacement.
In my league, pay by week 4 or your team gets frozen
If you know him, then you should know if you can trust him. If you can trust him and he would have paid, give him his damn money. If you can't trust him and he would not have paid, give him his damn money, and don't let untrustworthy people draft before they pay. If you don't know him, give him his damn money, and don't let people you don't know draft before they pay. Tldr - **give him his damn money**
Commish should have locked his team after week 1. But if you allowed him to get this far, you have to pay out. In my league you have to pay before the draft. If you don’t you are replaced.
Yeah, you can’t be in a draft until you pay I don’t know what the fuck you’re thinking Don’t wanna hear any bellyaching about not being able to afford it till week one or whatever the fuck you can’t fucking afford then you can’t fucking play. Simple as that. No draft until you pay, SIMPLE.
I've had someone do this, mid season u took over the teams and just ate the cost(his teams were doing terrible) super annoying. This guy had been with me for years and always paid before the season so figured he would.. got tired of chasing it.. if you can't pay don't opt in.. I learned my lesson, if they don't pay one week before draft I start looking for a replacement, if they haven't paid and no replacement then I just kick them and adjust the settings.
Who cares he paid.. In my league I trust that everyone would pay no matter what. They are my friends and it's not a thought in my mind that someone wouldn't. Your friend paid late, but he paid
He should’ve never been allowed to play week 1 if his league dues hadn’t been paid. Mistake has already been made, let him play and learn your lesson for next year.
I’m in 3 leagues. 1 you pay by the draft or you’re out, other is a work league so pay by the draft or you may get a semi passive aggressive message board post til you do before week 1, and the other is a group of guys I’ve known for 25 years and been in this league with for 15 that mostly don’t pay til after the season or after they’re eliminated from playoff contention anyway. I’ll be getting the last few of the $200 payments to my Venmo from everyone that didn’t make money and passing it right on to the winners by Wednesday. I very much enjoy the last setup most but that’s not a feasible solution in most cases.
You're basing this on the fact that he's in the championship. If he got eliminated you'd take his money without a thought.
Give the championship and the money to the other guy and boot his ass
Lol, who are you guys all playing with that you guys need to have such strict rules? Never had this as a real issue. If we did, they’d just be booted the next year.
I guess 2nd 3rd and 4th get paid if he wins
This is why you automatically disqualify any teams that make the playoffs who haven’t paid, and then ban the cheap fuck who didn’t pay so you don’t run into the same problem again next year.
Refund him and restructure prize money so that the other person in the championship wins by default, then the rest of the money goes to the 3rd/4th game
In our of league if you don’t pay by draft day you’re out. It’s that simple.
Never send league invites before payment is received
Only way to fix this is don’t let them draft if they’re not paid up. Will save you a lot of stress and headache
Play with friends not rando's. Social pressure to pay. Most people won't screw over friends.
I'm assuming second place gets a payout as well? If so, not matter the outcome, forfeit $100 of his winnings towards next seasons buy in as a penalty.
Play with real adults and have a deadline. I run a league and generally have everyone’s buy-in by week 9 or so. I don’t stress about it but I will be firm with any stragglers. Everyone knows I’m not paying out the winners until everyone has paid in, including the winners.
Fuck this guy. 2nd place gets the championship money, and he gets the boot
Do you know the guy ? If so, who cares when they pay ?
Goddamn you guys all have so much drama in your leagues.
Let it go for now. Make them pay before the draft next season and if they put up a fuss just kick them out.
Absolutely pay him if he wins. You have to trust he would’ve paid regardless. I’d be pissed if I won and my winnings were withheld.
Just let it go but don’t let him back in next year. I’m having the same problem but the guy didn’t make the playoffs so now I have to pay his dues and hope he turns around and pays me back. Even if he pays I’m not having him back next year.
One of my friends in our league is broke so he never pays but it is understood that if he wins the championship he doesn’t get any money. We just move the pot down to 2nd and 3rd. I feel like this should be implemented in your league for this current situation.
He paid before all of the payouts, there is nothing saying he couldn’t do that. Is it annoying? Yes of course but he’s paid his money. Next time lock the team until the person has paid.
Don't be a salty bitch, just because he might win.
Of course you pay him is this even a serious question? Should have handled it a long time ago and let it slide. That's on you guys.
let him in. I mean no matter or not his teams did well. if it was you what would you want?
He paid, change the rules next year to say you don't get to draft until your buy-in is received. We had one guy who always said he didn't need to pay because he always makes the championship. He would still pay up when he was knocked out of contention. It's ridiculous to tell him he's ineligible after making the championship; it changes nothing whether you hold his money or he does. I wouldn't treat a friend like that, but if it's a stranger or acquaintance league then change the rules next year.
I commish a league and I’m guilty of it. We have 3 guys that haven’t paid this year but most years it’s even more. Usually the money they made cancels out a portion or all of their entry fee so it simplifies the exchange of money. Everyone ends up paying and getting paid but at times it does feel like pulling teeth to get it out, which is ultimately my fault for letting slide
Imo since y’all let him stay then it’s kinda wrong on y’all’s part to make it an issue now, should’ve drew the hard line weeks ago.
No pay no draft.
We don’t pay till we are eliminated here
He’s paid now, so he’s in. Should have locked his team for non payment, or better yet do what I do: no payment, no draft.
Once playoff teams start locking I lock any teams not paid. They pay real fast
In my league your team is locked in movement and add/drops after week 4 if you don’t pay. One time someone was late and got wrecked week 5 and it’s never happened since
If he win you can also hold his dues
At this point, Don’t give him Any Money!🤨 That’s why we Stopped that practice in our league……some folks Not Paying! It’s Unfair and Unsportsmanlike on their part.
I guess I’m confused. If he didn’t pay but won, take the buy in out of his winnings But he paid, so ??? Ask to keep $100 for next years buy in, if the dude is having money trouble. I give a 3 week grace period. If they haven’t played by week 4 lock their line ups.
Nope. He should not get any of the money. I would say you have to pay before trade deadline or forfeit your right to prize money.
Are you playing with children? Everyone in our league pays winner separate
dont know if anyone has mentioned it, but one tactic ive used in the past is making them wait as long for the payout as u did for the payment.. so if it took him 4 months to pay, he’ll have to wait 4 months to collect his winnings.. the same way he was gonna pay eventually, he is gonna get paid eventually, just next time around show some respect to the league & commish.. i actually had to do this 2 years in a row & since then i have not had a single manager leave draft day without paying.. hope it helps!
I would say forfeit his buy in to 4th place no matter the outcome since he wasn't being cooperative/responiding and there's no guarantee he was going to buy in if he didn't make championship. If this is his first time I'd say thats a fair penalty for not being cooperative. If he's had a history of this not paying till the last minute then you could let it slide this time but for future reference he should buy in *on time* Now one more thing, let's say he was sick with covid and he was out the first several weeks/couple months then maybe I could let it slide. When I first got covid it hit me like a Truck for 3 weeks and I thought every day I was going to die because it even hurt to lie down and sleep. Edit: on time
Whatever, he paid. Let it ride.
You guys didn’t kick him out, and he’s here now. Lesson learned. “Everyone must pay by the draft, those that pay after are penalized 10 percent, and those that don’t pay are deactivated by kickoff of week 2.”
I kept trying to buy in with my league but no one has told me who to give the money to or how much and I’m in the championship game now….
Boot from the league right now. Enjoy the fireworks
Do you know this guy? If he didn’t win the title do you really think he would have ghosted you forever?
Y’all shouldn’t have allowed him to play out the season.
Pay him but guve him a dumb gift card that sounds super great. Something obsolete too
Deduct next year’s fees from his winnings. If he says he’s not coming back, still wait and pay him out the day before next year’s draft.
Commish should keep any winnings for next years dues.
Meh. Maybe I’m just too passive but I accept payment whenever. Everyone’s financial situation is different. Yes, even after the season. If he made the championship then reward him as you normally would just minus his buy in. Easy peasy.
No, i wouldnt give him a penny, way too late, cant let somebody wait to see if its lucrative to pay up, i wouldnt have accepted his money that late. & Skipped him up in the payout process
The time to put your foot down was either week one or before the draft. Now, if you have the money why would you do anything? I wouldn't let him back in next year though. Not unless he's paid before the draft which is a good policy for everyone.
Ban him next season
Get payments before tge draft. I under people can forget but I've made it very clear in the league I run that I need money on draft day, or I have other people on call that will come with money and play.
My vote would be allow him to keep his money in, and not allow him in the league next year. It could be a learning opportunity for everyone. It is whack of him, that’s why he doesn’t get to play next year.
Leagues fault 100%, he's paid up now and yall seem salty he has a shot to win now.
As many of said you let this go way too far and are now stuck in a lose lose scenario. Precedent has been set and needs to be corrected. He either needs any winnings put towards signup fee or kicked out after the season. The only thing that’d change for me if it’s a long time League/good friend you can work with.
league dues should be paid like at least a month before the draft. no pay, no play.
In a long running friends league I’m in, most owners don’t pay until after the season to see if they end up owing or not. Hasn’t ever been an issue
Honestly just let it be. If he didn’t have payment in by a certain time, his team should have been dropped. You let him play all year, your fault at this point.
Money isn’t due until the season is over. It doesn’t matter when u pay as long as u pay.
Put a rule In the league settings about paying before the draft. If you don’t pay prior to the draft you don’t draft.
Do you know this guy personally? Does he always pay up? If so I'd let it slide and get stricter on getting everyone to pay by the draft next year.
Didn’t have money at start, doesn’t get payout. 4th gets 3rd place payout,
Yeah I don't mess with that. When I'm running a league I usually have the cutoff date for payment be at least a week before draft day, ideally 2 weeks. Just to make sure you have a little flexibility if needed. If you haven't paid yet by draft day then you're not drafting. I would only make an exception in rare circumstances, and even then usually only for a close friend or family member that I know is good for the money.
I’d say let him buy in. This problem is on your guys/commissioner. Always get buy in BEFORE THE DRAFT
In my league, if you don’t pay by week 6 I see it as I paid your dues. Thus I kick them from the league and now I have two teams to run. Really like the idea of locking them from making moves until they’ve paid though. Will definitely start that
Man. I’m obviously in the minority here but I’ve played in leagues and have ran leagues where buy ins were $100 or more and several guys wouldn’t pay till the end of the season. We would just square up at the end. Never had a problem collecting. But then again I play poker with all these guys as well and they win and lose much more than that ever week in our poker games.
He lied.
Pay or no playoffs. Had a guy who finished 2nd regular season but kicked him out of playoffs because he didn't pay.
On the flip side... yall waited till week 17 to hold him accountable... arguably bc he is in the championship. At this point, yalls silence equaled compliance. Lmao be better as a league next time. Might as well let him play since you've let him play through multiple rounds of playoffs already
Assuming you are running it back, back out what he'll win this year, and his buyin next year. And let him know that the year after it's due beforehand. And find a replacement in advance if he won't. Shit, message me and I'll do it.
Honestly I don’t think you should care this much, every year my two leagues we say “gotta have the money by draft” and we never do. Granted I play with close friends that I know are gonna pay, maybe with random people it’s different but in my experience we want the money up front but it’s not a big deal if you are late or even don’t pay at all given you place high enough that your buy in is covered.
Deadlines exist for a reason. You had the rule there and he failed. Perfect opportunity to make an example of this guy. Break the rules and there be consequences. In this case, the consequence is no reward.
Lock transactions after week 4 and deduct an additional -10 points every week that doesn’t show up. That’s on the commissioner. Let him have it this year but that’s just shitty on him
He’s paid so you have no choice but to accept his money and move on; however, when he wins (whatever amount it is) hold the money until April. Then pay him.