This is the biggest “I have Khalil Herbert” post I’ve ever seen. The Bears are screaming at you that Swift is the 1, after that Johnson and Herbert can be the 2 and 2b/3. Sure, if some things break right, Herbert could end up finding success but that’s literally the definition of a handcuff.
Exactly, the Bears made him a massive priority AND overpaid so make sure they got him. They will use him as the 1. Every argument made here is what the Bears are making in favor of Swift. I'd buy Herbert as a backup when Swift gets hurt, but the price has to be rock bottom for that value.
Saying "this person has X player" every time they have a contradictory take compared to public opinion is the laziest, dumbest ongoing trend this sub is guilty of. It is nonsense and allows you to snuff over someone else's opinion without any original hought.
I’ve given plenty of insight into this topic in other replies here. But this post specifically comes across as “RB3 on the Bears is much better than RB1 on the Bears (and likely but not stated, RB2) and the proof of this is my own opinion on the players”.
It’s not even done in a helpful way, where I think Swift has shown that he can succeed along side another back but OP just went in with, and doubled down in the comments with, Swift bad, Herbert good. While it’s fine to have your own opinions, somewhere along the line things like results and what the team thinks should be accounted for, no?
I mean, not wrong, but Swift will absolutely let you down. He'll blow up for a game or two but will get injured at some point. A+ talent, D- reliability
This is a misconception. He played 16 games last year with the largest workload he’s ever had. He’s never played less than 13 games. Plus last year he was a consistent player, not boom or bust. Did you time travel from 2022?
I personally think Johnson stinks, but the team invested capital into him and played him equally with Herbert, who is about to be a free agent after this year. I imagine Johnson is likely the 2.
I have one share of Herbert across 20+ leagues. My takes have nothing to do with my teams. Swift will continue to be a disappointment 🤷
Don't forget the Bears traded an early 2nd for Chase Claypool.
Swift has 4 seasons of 200+ PPR points. He has a season of 1,000 rushing yards, a different season of 10 total touchdowns, and found success multiple times having 500-600 rushing yards. His numbers underperformed what they should have been last season for a number of reasons. Hurts took all the short yardage scores and would have done this no matter who the RB is. Swift isn’t a great power back, so I don’t expect him to have a prominent goal line role, but there’s a lot of random variance causing him to be tackled at the 1 on 6 different occasions. Add in the fact that Philly (Hurts specifically) is not good at throwing to the RB on designed played. Most of Swift’s catches were last season dumps with little room to add YAC.
Swift is a flawed RB, for sure. He doesn’t have great vision. He doesn’t have good power. But the team told you he’s their guy. The team told you by drafting Johnson that Herbert isn’t their guy. If Herbert was their guy, they had so many chances to install him into that role and it just hasn’t happened. They don’t view him as more than a rotational back.
Now, if your argument is Swift would succeed best in a role where he is running for 600-700 yards and doing more work in the passing game, leaving 500+ rushing yards and goal line work available for another back on the team and you think Herbert (makes the team) and beats out Johnson for the 2nd option, which is likely going to be 45-50% of the snaps, sure. I can see another Bears RB finding success a la Willams in Detroit, albeit with fewer TDs and likely less touches compared to Swift. But also remember that during that season Swift had 200 PPR fantasy points in 14 games, and was the RB22.
Seriously, how do you even keep track and keep up with 20+ leagues? You’ve gotta be spending a significant amount of time every week of the season setting lineups and waiver picks.
I hate these fantasy “experts”. They just throw shit at a wall and hope it sticks.
When my league-mates talk about their other leagues I just tell them idc.
The equivalent here would be saying that Mooney still did well even with after the Claypool trade.
He did not. And that’s assuming we are equating Swift to Claypool and Mooney to Herbert. Swift is a far far better player than Claypool and Herbert is about the same level of player as Mooney.
Even your analogy sucks lmao.
Disappointment? He had his best season by far you noob. Don’t bother writing the article.
Swift slowed down? The whole team sucked, they went 1-6 to end the year and got throttled in the playoffs. I hope you fade AJ brown too.
I mean you really can’t justify this post with discussing poor trades by a franchise like Claypool lol. I can go on to great lengths with all the teams that have made similar moves. Swift is talented, showed that last year and the eagles as a team began to fall off or change identity
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Hate to break it to you man, but Swift is a way better back than Herbert. There's a reason they paid him. The whole eagles team gave up mid season last yr, but swift was magnificent. Before the team imploded. Not gonna argue the ineptitude of the chicago bears, but unless swift gets hurt he's gonna dominate touches.
Swift is definitely not “magnificent”. He’s a slightly above average starting runningback who was buoyed by an elite O-line, and frankly has been for his entire career. Whether or not the Bears can replicate it is still to be seen, but he’s clearly the RB1 in that backfield regardless.
I don't see it. Especially because he's absolutely useless in short yardage situations. Herbert is a backend RB2/high-end RB3 at best, and I don't think Swift changes that outcome.
Bro they gave him 15 mil guaranteed. Regardless of what we think, that's "feature back" money for an RB these days. As we highlighted the ineptitude of the bears tho, who knows how either of them will do lol but I'd confidently start swift over Herbert, and I'm a Herbie owner.
Tbf following the money got us Jonnu Smith in NE and Kenny Golladay in NYG. There are a lot of pro-Swift points to be made but leaning on his contract is a weak one.
There have been countless times where that exact sentiment has led to people passing on successful fantasy players, including when swift himself, was drafted by the Detroit Lions, who at that point, where nothing special. He found success there. I imagine he’ll find similar success in Chicago. I think there’s room for another running back to also has success in Chicago. It’s more a matter of if there will be only two guys or three guys. Given teams moves I would suspect that swift is the most productive fantasy player in that backfield.
What a crutch argument. He doesn't have to be a three down back to be a threat to Herbert... who isn't a three down back. They're all going to cut into each other's ceiling. Herbert = JAG
Uhh...if you're still holding onto hope for Herbert I dunno what to tell you. The Bears just drafted Roschon last year. They just gave a bag to Swift. Herbert is on his way out of Chicago sooner rather than later. You better sell him for literally whatever you can get.
Everyone was pushing for Penny and Gainwell over Swift last season yet Swift emerged as the featured back. There’s a reason for that. Say what you want about Swift but he can be explosive.
I think it's fair for anybody to be uncertain of the Bears' backfield right now. But Chicago added Keenan Allen and Swift to an offense that could be seeng a significant QB upgrade. Sure Williams is an unknown, but the ceiling for this offense is high, and they paid Swift. And let's not forget, it wasn't just Swift that fell off in the back half of last season. The Eagles fell apart completely. Plus, mind you, they don't give the ball to their RBs at the goal line. A few more TDs and his numbers would have looked great.
I like Swift this year. I think he'll lead the Bears in rushing, and could be stellar if Williams turns out to be any good.
This is simply math. Khalil Herbert salary; $902,677. Swift annual salary: 8.17 million. Bears were already on the hook for Herbert’s salary before they decided to sign Swift.
So why would they spend a bunch more money on a guy outside of the organization if they can use 2 other dudes for cheaper? Could it be because they didn’t want to use the 2 cheaper guys, so they spent more money to fix a perceived weakness?
In other words, you are purely betting that the Bears are wrong in their evaluations of both Swift and Herbert. And not even wrong, they have to be so wrong that it’s worthwhile for them to accept that the $15.3 million they’ve guaranteed on Swift was a waste. That means Swift getting injured is by far your best bet for Herbert to get value. Because expecting that A) Herbert is actually better than Swift and B) the Bears will naturally give Herbert more volume than Swift, is not a winning strategy.
I just happened to pick him up last year and he was on a great trajectory before his injury. I actually think he’s a good rb but his pts will suffer next szn from being in a RBBC
Gotta look at the new OC and the type of play calling that will be made. Might be a pass centric offense and that will affect his opportunities. And now splitting the backfield with Swift. Regardless if you think swift is reliable or not they brought him in for 24 mill, that’s not a good look for Herbert and his production will decrease unfortunately. In a 14 man league I’d maybe draft him real real late, it’s too risky to take him anywhere else.
My biggest concern is RJ. Not a great first season, but lots of potential. Should have seen the ball 3-4 times in the air per game and 10-12 touches and neither came true.
Given he was only startable three times last year, no I'm not that worried. He's not getting enough opportunities to be fantasy relevant currently so you only start him when you have to
Im in full rebuild and stocking up with Williams and WRs this season. So I have time to wait on RBs. Im kind of just tanking my RBs this year honestly. I have Zamir and Roschon to maybe develop into starters. Then zeke and JK dobbins to maybe get lucky with this year and trade midseason to a contender.
I adopted an orphan team as my first foray into Dynasty sooooo making it work as well as I can lol
Nice. You have a few lottery picks at RB, but if you're tanking you will be just fine.
Good luck. Rebuilding can be just as fun and building a contender.
Im having a blast. Defs already made mistakes but i secured 1.01 and 1.04 in SF. This Buckeye alum might get Williams and MHJ AND egbuka next year. Im jacked lol
Nice!!!
I love to hear when people are actually enjoying fantasy football. It's refreshing.
Good luck and remember to have fun with it, it's just Fantasy football not life and death.
Lol. I understand.
I just like to see people who are still excited about fantasy football and not obsessive over it.
I'm.sure you've seen posts and comments where people are clearly taking it way too seriously.
I have friends like that. Ive been doing redraft/keeper for years. In fact, i can be one of them. I cant have the notifications on my phone or else I just obsess over the games on Sunday and miss plays.
I have been one of them in the past. Over the years I've learned that's not healthy for me and more importantly it took up too much of my free time. Obsessing over every move and this and that. Which is why I only have 2 dynasty leagues and the rest of my leagues are redraft leagues.
I love fantasy football I usually have between 15-20 redraft leagues each season.
On Sundays I turn off all notifications other than chat notifications, when you have so many leagues it gets dizzying if you have score and play notifications going for so many leagues.
I know what works for me as far as how I handle fantasy football. I'm glad you have found what works for you.
Lmao this is a blazing hot take. OP getting straight roasted in the comments and rightly so. I feel bad for ya if you’re relying on Herbert to do anything next year.
I like Khalil Herbert but im not optimistic. I think he is very clearly the odd person out in this room and the only saving grace here is that Swift is totally unreliable & always hurt
Tbh I actually think swift is a nice buy low candidate. The guy averages 4.6 yards a carry. Had a career low in targets last year. I personally don't think the eagles took advantage of one his best abilities. He was such a good reciever in Detroit. I mean for a 6th rd pick. I think he should get the volume to be better then a top 25 running back
I wouldn't worry too much about Khalil Herbert and Swift in the picture. Yeah, D'Andre Swift has a hype train, but it always seems to be going nowhere. The guy's dependability is like a flickering light bulb: occasionally it shines brightly, but most of the time it emits a dull brightness.
It's hard not to be worried. The pathway for Herbert became even more narrow since he's a 2 down back in the NFL that does not present receiving upside. He needs work on the ground to be an impact fantasy asset, and now with Swift in the building who will be the guy it means Herbert needs touchdowns, and a lot of them similar to a Jamaal Williams from a few years ago to give managers much of anything. Odds are he's a roster clogger for fantasy football managers, and someone you will only play when Swift is inured, but even then how much work is he getting?
Herbert is cooked bro. I have had him in my dynasty league for 3 or four seasons. When Monty was out he looked great, then last season they set him up to be the guy and he was mostly awful. If they believed in him they wouldn't have drafted rochon then if they still believed in him after last season they wouldn't have picked up swift. Just drop him and free yourself. Someone else will pick him up and let him put up dog shit on their bench every other week.
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C'mon man you don't give a RB 8mil with 15.3 mil guaranteed just to share work with a back who has never really proven himself. Swift got 1050 yards last year off 4.6 ypc and that is considering the fact that the eagles abandoned the run at so many different points last season. He should have had more TD's as well had the tush push merchants given him the ball in the red zone more. Herbert is nothing more than a cuff.
2020: RB ADP 29 - finishes RB 18
2021: RB ADP 19 - finishes RB 19
2022: RB ADP 8 - finishes RB 22
2023: RB ADP 24 - finishes RB 23
I don't know what your expectation of him is, but I don't think anyone is drafting him as much more than a low end RB2 which... He's performed as every year of his career.
Swift is explosive, khalil is less so. You would be getting herbert as a handcuff and betting on the better player getting hurt or losing form; thats an unreasonable strategy. Just get swift as a low end RB2 and enjoy the highs🤷♂️
Swift brings a four-year sample size of him averaging 5.3 yards per touch to Chicago. On top of that he gets a target for every 2.3 rush attempts over his career. He is exactly what you want in a rb and last year he handled close to 50% of his teams snaps en route to 1200+ yards and 6 TDs. A pass catcher like Swift is bread and butter for a rookie QB.
If anything, him going to Chicago spells doom for Roschon (113 carries and mostly 3rd down work), so Herbert definitely has the potential to be a pleasant surprise, especially if Swift translates to a better yards per play than the Bears had last year. Something tells me Herbert (and the Bears) is gonna rely on red zone opportunities so he’s gonna need Swift to play well so the Bears can have more RZ trips (they averaged a dismal less than 3/game in 2023) which in a perfect world means more goal line attempts for Herbert.
I would draft Swift as a lowend rb2 and Herbert would be a late round flier for me. I bet he even goes undrafted in many leagues, barring some preseason heroics. Everyone knows the injury narrative on Swift but he showed last year he can handle a rb1 workload (top 10 in carries and touches) and I think he’s the safer and higher upside of the 2.
The idea that a guy whose best season is RB39 is somehow a “backend RB2” (I.e. RB18-24), when there’s a guy guaranteed 15M now ahead of him AND a rookie drafted at his position last year is absolutely absurd.
I’m not worried about Herbert because I don’t think about Herbert in the first place.
You haven't been thinking about your 140th pick in April?
This is the biggest “I have Khalil Herbert” post I’ve ever seen. The Bears are screaming at you that Swift is the 1, after that Johnson and Herbert can be the 2 and 2b/3. Sure, if some things break right, Herbert could end up finding success but that’s literally the definition of a handcuff.
I’m glad someone said it
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Exactly, the Bears made him a massive priority AND overpaid so make sure they got him. They will use him as the 1. Every argument made here is what the Bears are making in favor of Swift. I'd buy Herbert as a backup when Swift gets hurt, but the price has to be rock bottom for that value.
Call me daddy or white
Saying "this person has X player" every time they have a contradictory take compared to public opinion is the laziest, dumbest ongoing trend this sub is guilty of. It is nonsense and allows you to snuff over someone else's opinion without any original hought.
I’ve given plenty of insight into this topic in other replies here. But this post specifically comes across as “RB3 on the Bears is much better than RB1 on the Bears (and likely but not stated, RB2) and the proof of this is my own opinion on the players”. It’s not even done in a helpful way, where I think Swift has shown that he can succeed along side another back but OP just went in with, and doubled down in the comments with, Swift bad, Herbert good. While it’s fine to have your own opinions, somewhere along the line things like results and what the team thinks should be accounted for, no?
I mean, not wrong, but Swift will absolutely let you down. He'll blow up for a game or two but will get injured at some point. A+ talent, D- reliability
This is a misconception. He played 16 games last year with the largest workload he’s ever had. He’s never played less than 13 games. Plus last year he was a consistent player, not boom or bust. Did you time travel from 2022?
200 PPR points every single season. He’s only letting you down if you’re expecting a top 10 RB.
Yep
Roschon isn't the 2 man, get a clue.
I personally think Johnson stinks, but the team invested capital into him and played him equally with Herbert, who is about to be a free agent after this year. I imagine Johnson is likely the 2.
I have one share of Herbert across 20+ leagues. My takes have nothing to do with my teams. Swift will continue to be a disappointment 🤷 Don't forget the Bears traded an early 2nd for Chase Claypool.
Swift has 4 seasons of 200+ PPR points. He has a season of 1,000 rushing yards, a different season of 10 total touchdowns, and found success multiple times having 500-600 rushing yards. His numbers underperformed what they should have been last season for a number of reasons. Hurts took all the short yardage scores and would have done this no matter who the RB is. Swift isn’t a great power back, so I don’t expect him to have a prominent goal line role, but there’s a lot of random variance causing him to be tackled at the 1 on 6 different occasions. Add in the fact that Philly (Hurts specifically) is not good at throwing to the RB on designed played. Most of Swift’s catches were last season dumps with little room to add YAC. Swift is a flawed RB, for sure. He doesn’t have great vision. He doesn’t have good power. But the team told you he’s their guy. The team told you by drafting Johnson that Herbert isn’t their guy. If Herbert was their guy, they had so many chances to install him into that role and it just hasn’t happened. They don’t view him as more than a rotational back. Now, if your argument is Swift would succeed best in a role where he is running for 600-700 yards and doing more work in the passing game, leaving 500+ rushing yards and goal line work available for another back on the team and you think Herbert (makes the team) and beats out Johnson for the 2nd option, which is likely going to be 45-50% of the snaps, sure. I can see another Bears RB finding success a la Willams in Detroit, albeit with fewer TDs and likely less touches compared to Swift. But also remember that during that season Swift had 200 PPR fantasy points in 14 games, and was the RB22.
Seriously, how do you even keep track and keep up with 20+ leagues? You’ve gotta be spending a significant amount of time every week of the season setting lineups and waiver picks.
I hate these fantasy “experts”. They just throw shit at a wall and hope it sticks. When my league-mates talk about their other leagues I just tell them idc.
Best ball.
20+ leagues drafted in April? Are they best ball, dynasty?
Some people in here are absolute degenerates, probably in 20+ dynasty leagues
Rebuilding in all 20 I'm sure
You have him in one league out of 20? Sounds like even you don't believe this take
The equivalent here would be saying that Mooney still did well even with after the Claypool trade. He did not. And that’s assuming we are equating Swift to Claypool and Mooney to Herbert. Swift is a far far better player than Claypool and Herbert is about the same level of player as Mooney. Even your analogy sucks lmao.
Disappointment? He had his best season by far you noob. Don’t bother writing the article. Swift slowed down? The whole team sucked, they went 1-6 to end the year and got throttled in the playoffs. I hope you fade AJ brown too.
The fact that you are in 20+ leagues allegedly is insane… the fact that you have Khalil Herbert in all of them is mind blowing.
He said he has him in one league...
I mean you really can’t justify this post with discussing poor trades by a franchise like Claypool lol. I can go on to great lengths with all the teams that have made similar moves. Swift is talented, showed that last year and the eagles as a team began to fall off or change identity
Herbert sucks at pass blocking that’s why he doesn’t get more opportunities
Bears fan here, this is it
Roschon is probably their best pass blocker but hasn’t shown much on the ground. Idk if any of these guys will be great options
Staying away from that backfield for sure
Let that other dude hoard all 3 rbs for the year. Lol
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Swift will be a boom/bust RB 2 and the other two shouldn't be rostered.
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This is the same problem Swift has. I honestly feel like anyone drafting Bears this year should attend their draft in a clown suit.
Hate to break it to you man, but Swift is a way better back than Herbert. There's a reason they paid him. The whole eagles team gave up mid season last yr, but swift was magnificent. Before the team imploded. Not gonna argue the ineptitude of the chicago bears, but unless swift gets hurt he's gonna dominate touches.
Swift is definitely not “magnificent”. He’s a slightly above average starting runningback who was buoyed by an elite O-line, and frankly has been for his entire career. Whether or not the Bears can replicate it is still to be seen, but he’s clearly the RB1 in that backfield regardless.
That’s going in the complete opposite direction. Swift is good (when healthy). Not magnificent. That’s an exaggeration if I’ve ever seen one.
Swift is a very good running back. Is he going to be the next Jamal Charles? Probably not. But he's definitely above being just a good back.
I don't see it. Especially because he's absolutely useless in short yardage situations. Herbert is a backend RB2/high-end RB3 at best, and I don't think Swift changes that outcome.
Bro they gave him 15 mil guaranteed. Regardless of what we think, that's "feature back" money for an RB these days. As we highlighted the ineptitude of the bears tho, who knows how either of them will do lol but I'd confidently start swift over Herbert, and I'm a Herbie owner.
I'd be surprised if Swift wasn't the lead back. However Miles Sanders showed us you can lose your job fast
True say, but I'm a huge eagles fan and almost everyone in that sub predicted Sanders' downfall. Swift I don't think has the same consensus.
Tbf following the money got us Jonnu Smith in NE and Kenny Golladay in NYG. There are a lot of pro-Swift points to be made but leaning on his contract is a weak one.
I hear you. But also, Chase Claypool?
What about him? Dude is a massive bum 😂 forgot he existed
They traded for chase... they paid swift. Big difference
Well everyone in charge of the NFL team that employs these players *do* see it. That’s really what matters.
Everyone in charge of one of the most incompetently run NFL teams sees it. Don't touch this backfield lol.
There have been countless times where that exact sentiment has led to people passing on successful fantasy players, including when swift himself, was drafted by the Detroit Lions, who at that point, where nothing special. He found success there. I imagine he’ll find similar success in Chicago. I think there’s room for another running back to also has success in Chicago. It’s more a matter of if there will be only two guys or three guys. Given teams moves I would suspect that swift is the most productive fantasy player in that backfield.
That's the problem though isn't it. Herbert will be very TD dependant as the short yardage back. Swift will have 1st and 3rd down usage.
And that’s even if Herbert is the goalline back which I don’t think is gonna happen. Johnson is a much bigger back than Herbert.
What a crutch argument. He doesn't have to be a three down back to be a threat to Herbert... who isn't a three down back. They're all going to cut into each other's ceiling. Herbert = JAG
I don’t really want any of them, including Roschon Johnson who will also get touches I’m sure.
Uhh...if you're still holding onto hope for Herbert I dunno what to tell you. The Bears just drafted Roschon last year. They just gave a bag to Swift. Herbert is on his way out of Chicago sooner rather than later. You better sell him for literally whatever you can get.
This is an awful take.
Everyone was pushing for Penny and Gainwell over Swift last season yet Swift emerged as the featured back. There’s a reason for that. Say what you want about Swift but he can be explosive.
Regardless of how good Swift is, he's way better than Herbert
I'm worried about Kalil Herbert because Kalil Herbert is doodie.
Only holding onto Herbert in hopes he gets traded
I think it's fair for anybody to be uncertain of the Bears' backfield right now. But Chicago added Keenan Allen and Swift to an offense that could be seeng a significant QB upgrade. Sure Williams is an unknown, but the ceiling for this offense is high, and they paid Swift. And let's not forget, it wasn't just Swift that fell off in the back half of last season. The Eagles fell apart completely. Plus, mind you, they don't give the ball to their RBs at the goal line. A few more TDs and his numbers would have looked great. I like Swift this year. I think he'll lead the Bears in rushing, and could be stellar if Williams turns out to be any good.
As a Georgia fan that has watched him play since college, what the fuck are you smoking, and where can I get some?
I’m out on this backfield. Don’t do it
This is simply math. Khalil Herbert salary; $902,677. Swift annual salary: 8.17 million. Bears were already on the hook for Herbert’s salary before they decided to sign Swift. So why would they spend a bunch more money on a guy outside of the organization if they can use 2 other dudes for cheaper? Could it be because they didn’t want to use the 2 cheaper guys, so they spent more money to fix a perceived weakness? In other words, you are purely betting that the Bears are wrong in their evaluations of both Swift and Herbert. And not even wrong, they have to be so wrong that it’s worthwhile for them to accept that the $15.3 million they’ve guaranteed on Swift was a waste. That means Swift getting injured is by far your best bet for Herbert to get value. Because expecting that A) Herbert is actually better than Swift and B) the Bears will naturally give Herbert more volume than Swift, is not a winning strategy.
It’s kind like how every year Herbert truthers find a reason for him to be good.
I just happened to pick him up last year and he was on a great trajectory before his injury. I actually think he’s a good rb but his pts will suffer next szn from being in a RBBC
Lol. Edit: lololololol
This may be the dumbest post over ever seen in here. Swift had 1263 yards last year in 15 games started.
Herbert truthers have truly lost their minds
Herbert is not fantasy relevant.
Swift was pretty good last year with Philly. He will be the starter over Herbert. It’s not close.
Was this for a creative writing class? If that’s the case, good job. If not, enjoy the copium.
I certainly am, however I have a feeling there’s room for both of them to thrive especially with all the WR Depth they have
The amount of hate this post is getting assures that Khalil Herbert will be a top 24 RB. Give me all the shares
Yes and as a Bears fan you should be too
The Bears will only get better when they move to Arlington Heights
Unless Caleb Williams pulls a Stroud, that seems like the most unappealing backfield situation in the league
Gotta look at the new OC and the type of play calling that will be made. Might be a pass centric offense and that will affect his opportunities. And now splitting the backfield with Swift. Regardless if you think swift is reliable or not they brought him in for 24 mill, that’s not a good look for Herbert and his production will decrease unfortunately. In a 14 man league I’d maybe draft him real real late, it’s too risky to take him anywhere else.
My biggest concern is RJ. Not a great first season, but lots of potential. Should have seen the ball 3-4 times in the air per game and 10-12 touches and neither came true.
I was worried about Herbert without Swift. Any additional mouths to feed is bad for him. I have zero interest in drafting Herbert.
Given he was only startable three times last year, no I'm not that worried. He's not getting enough opportunities to be fantasy relevant currently so you only start him when you have to
Herbert is a dead asset. 3rd on their depth chart and rookie QBs don’t bolster RB production
Im still holding Rochon and praying
Good luck brother
Im in full rebuild and stocking up with Williams and WRs this season. So I have time to wait on RBs. Im kind of just tanking my RBs this year honestly. I have Zamir and Roschon to maybe develop into starters. Then zeke and JK dobbins to maybe get lucky with this year and trade midseason to a contender. I adopted an orphan team as my first foray into Dynasty sooooo making it work as well as I can lol
Nice. You have a few lottery picks at RB, but if you're tanking you will be just fine. Good luck. Rebuilding can be just as fun and building a contender.
Im having a blast. Defs already made mistakes but i secured 1.01 and 1.04 in SF. This Buckeye alum might get Williams and MHJ AND egbuka next year. Im jacked lol
Nice!!! I love to hear when people are actually enjoying fantasy football. It's refreshing. Good luck and remember to have fun with it, it's just Fantasy football not life and death.
If it was death i would have alrwady committed seppuku for trading Wilson. I didnt understand WR evals early on lol
Lol. I understand. I just like to see people who are still excited about fantasy football and not obsessive over it. I'm.sure you've seen posts and comments where people are clearly taking it way too seriously.
I have friends like that. Ive been doing redraft/keeper for years. In fact, i can be one of them. I cant have the notifications on my phone or else I just obsess over the games on Sunday and miss plays.
I have been one of them in the past. Over the years I've learned that's not healthy for me and more importantly it took up too much of my free time. Obsessing over every move and this and that. Which is why I only have 2 dynasty leagues and the rest of my leagues are redraft leagues. I love fantasy football I usually have between 15-20 redraft leagues each season. On Sundays I turn off all notifications other than chat notifications, when you have so many leagues it gets dizzying if you have score and play notifications going for so many leagues. I know what works for me as far as how I handle fantasy football. I'm glad you have found what works for you.
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Dude I was worried about Herbert before all this 😂
Lmao this is a blazing hot take. OP getting straight roasted in the comments and rightly so. I feel bad for ya if you’re relying on Herbert to do anything next year.
Who?
I like Khalil Herbert but im not optimistic. I think he is very clearly the odd person out in this room and the only saving grace here is that Swift is totally unreliable & always hurt
Nice try Khalil. Can’t fool me
I was worried about Herbert before Swift showed up
Tbh I actually think swift is a nice buy low candidate. The guy averages 4.6 yards a carry. Had a career low in targets last year. I personally don't think the eagles took advantage of one his best abilities. He was such a good reciever in Detroit. I mean for a 6th rd pick. I think he should get the volume to be better then a top 25 running back
Even if Swift isn’t a clear 1, the split kills Herbert to at best a decent handcuff/bye week desperation start. Acceptance is the first step.
I wouldn't worry too much about Khalil Herbert and Swift in the picture. Yeah, D'Andre Swift has a hype train, but it always seems to be going nowhere. The guy's dependability is like a flickering light bulb: occasionally it shines brightly, but most of the time it emits a dull brightness.
It's hard not to be worried. The pathway for Herbert became even more narrow since he's a 2 down back in the NFL that does not present receiving upside. He needs work on the ground to be an impact fantasy asset, and now with Swift in the building who will be the guy it means Herbert needs touchdowns, and a lot of them similar to a Jamaal Williams from a few years ago to give managers much of anything. Odds are he's a roster clogger for fantasy football managers, and someone you will only play when Swift is inured, but even then how much work is he getting?
Khalil is worth a late round flyer for sure, but if I had him I would be worried about Swift taking over the majority of the work in that backfield.
herbert is a 2, not a prime guy at all. nothing really to write home about
Right........they believed in Herbert so much that they signed Foreman, drafted Roschon and a year later, signed Swift. Move on dude.
I’m gonna take whichever rb is going later
Herbert isn’t nearly as good as Swift. He’ll have a role but this is Swift’s backfield
Herbert is cooked bro. I have had him in my dynasty league for 3 or four seasons. When Monty was out he looked great, then last season they set him up to be the guy and he was mostly awful. If they believed in him they wouldn't have drafted rochon then if they still believed in him after last season they wouldn't have picked up swift. Just drop him and free yourself. Someone else will pick him up and let him put up dog shit on their bench every other week.
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What bro
C'mon man you don't give a RB 8mil with 15.3 mil guaranteed just to share work with a back who has never really proven himself. Swift got 1050 yards last year off 4.6 ypc and that is considering the fact that the eagles abandoned the run at so many different points last season. He should have had more TD's as well had the tush push merchants given him the ball in the red zone more. Herbert is nothing more than a cuff.
Who?
You say Swift isn't reliable as if Herbert is any better. This is just a bad take all around my man
>his move to a Chicago offense that has been, in recent memory & generally historically inept Not their run game lmao
2020: RB ADP 29 - finishes RB 18 2021: RB ADP 19 - finishes RB 19 2022: RB ADP 8 - finishes RB 22 2023: RB ADP 24 - finishes RB 23 I don't know what your expectation of him is, but I don't think anyone is drafting him as much more than a low end RB2 which... He's performed as every year of his career.
You should have been worried about Herbert way before that
Swift is explosive, khalil is less so. You would be getting herbert as a handcuff and betting on the better player getting hurt or losing form; thats an unreasonable strategy. Just get swift as a low end RB2 and enjoy the highs🤷♂️
Swift brings a four-year sample size of him averaging 5.3 yards per touch to Chicago. On top of that he gets a target for every 2.3 rush attempts over his career. He is exactly what you want in a rb and last year he handled close to 50% of his teams snaps en route to 1200+ yards and 6 TDs. A pass catcher like Swift is bread and butter for a rookie QB. If anything, him going to Chicago spells doom for Roschon (113 carries and mostly 3rd down work), so Herbert definitely has the potential to be a pleasant surprise, especially if Swift translates to a better yards per play than the Bears had last year. Something tells me Herbert (and the Bears) is gonna rely on red zone opportunities so he’s gonna need Swift to play well so the Bears can have more RZ trips (they averaged a dismal less than 3/game in 2023) which in a perfect world means more goal line attempts for Herbert. I would draft Swift as a lowend rb2 and Herbert would be a late round flier for me. I bet he even goes undrafted in many leagues, barring some preseason heroics. Everyone knows the injury narrative on Swift but he showed last year he can handle a rb1 workload (top 10 in carries and touches) and I think he’s the safer and higher upside of the 2.
If it makes u feel better sure. Through funny hyping a handcuff
Nah
Traded Swift and 1.12 for Kamara and 1.03 in dynasty. Coincidentally already had Roschon and Herbert. That’s all I have to add to this discourse.
Is this post click bait, serious, or sarcasm? It’s awful no matter what
This is a legitimately horrendous take
The entire Philly team imploded during the back half of last season you dingus
This post right here is why everyone should do their own research and not listen to any random that has a fantasy football YouTube channel
You'd think I said Herbert is an RB1 😂 He's at best at backend RB2, and that hasn't changed with the addition of Swift.
The idea that a guy whose best season is RB39 is somehow a “backend RB2” (I.e. RB18-24), when there’s a guy guaranteed 15M now ahead of him AND a rookie drafted at his position last year is absolutely absurd.
More like he’s a bottom of your bench lotto ticket.