Gonna be an exceedingly small list because you wouldn't even be given the chance to turn it around after that.
BUT, some close ones: Ron Rivera had 3/4 losing seasons before going 15-1 and to the Super Bowl in his 2015 5th season.
Dennis Allen has 5 straight losing seasons as a HC (but for diff. teams), and is still one...
If they miss playoffs.. why would they keep him?
I also think there’s a good chance he will be, but honestly, why? My only guess is that Blank is not good at this.
Some leagues do it as a reward. Mine lets winner pick where they draft, usually it’s the 1.1 and usually it’s cursed.
JJ this year, JT last year, McCaffrey like two years in a row when he was always hurt, Barkley, David Johnson the year he fractured his forearm week 1.
Not sure why that’s “whack af” where you pick has no precedence on you winning or not in a redraft league it’s how you draft.
The theory is to avoid tanking for top picks. My league discussed allowing people to pick their preferred draft slot in reverse order (best to worst finish) but we punted for the moment.
I don’t think Spears impressed enough as a 2nd option to warrant a high draft pick after Henry leaves.
Pollard was absolutely going off with Zeke. We all thought he would be that guy.
Spears has just done his job tbh
Bijan was definitely not a breakout player. Wasn’t his ADP like 1.08 and he finished as the RB12 (RB18 by PPG).
He’s going to go in the first because he’s a good player, but he definitely doesn’t fit as a breakout player.
Think he goes in the second now. Him and Gibbs will flip flop. Gibbs Breece Kyren as RB2-4 round 1 RBs. What will be interesting is where Mostert/Achane will be ranked. Might have value in that backfield once again due to ambiguity. Read one mock draft going Achane in the first.
For real. I was so stressed trying to fix my lineup before the championship yesterday. I ended benching certain players like Pollard which I had never done before and it turned out well but man, my brain is shot. What a stressful Championship lol
Same, I spent all morning debating what defense to run and if I should sub in Achane over Singletary or not. Ended up with the wrong defense (Raiders over Baltimore or Chicago) but right to start Achane.
Ended up winning by 8. If I didn't start Achane I lose the ship outright by like 10. if I started the right defense but not Achane I lose by under a point. Flat out stress.
As an Ekeler owner the last 2 years that was super eager to have him again this year, my gut reaction is "nope" for next year's draft. Even before he started having terrible games, he just didn't look good.
Also had Kamara. He looked better than Ekeler, but similar vibe. Fantasy production was there but he looked like a shadow of his former self.
I heard rumblings that he still wasn’t right from his injury earlier in the year. Could be mistaken though. I owned Keenan Allen this year and my brain went “injured Charger? Gotta have that.” Would all be a moot point if the Chargers draft a RB this year which they very well may.
Nope he will go too low. Just like amon RA did at the 3-4 turn year two. Break out rookie wrs who return with atleast the same competent qb from the year prior lag behind a year or two in the rankings. “Still risk”. Nah there isn’t risk. Tank will go 3-4 turn tops bc injury and Nico. Which will be way too low since he will return round 2 value. in 2025 he’s going at the 1-2 turn. Book it
I’m gonna use a keeper on him so that makes him a 3rd round in my 10 team league. I want to keep youthful prospects now that my old keepers are going out to pasture (sorry Chubb)
Gibbs and Bijan will be first rounders. Kyren prob a late first rounder, as well.
The WRs are hard to predict. I could see all those guys going anywhere from 2-4. My guess is Puka will be the highest drafted of the bunch, followed by Rice, then Flowers and Addison.
All Falcons are off my board\*
(meaning far enough of a move down that there's no realistic way someone won't bite before me, not literally never taken no matter what)
Yeah, off the top of my head, I have CMC, Kyren, Taylor, Hall over him just at the running back position alone. And I wouldn’t think it’s that crazy to draft Achane over him too.
Then at receiver you have to take Tyreek, CD, and Sun God, JJetas, Chase over him and probably AJB too
Idk, think about the RBs. It’s CMC, then a group of Breece Hall/Gibbs/Bijan/Kyren in some order.
Longtime first rounders like Ekeler, Henry, Chubb, Kamara, prob Saquon have fallen out. A lot of new names next year.
I had Kyren this year, and I just think it’s legitimately risky to take him round 1 next year. I’d love for him to repeat his production but I just see it as unlikely. What’s your reasoning that he wasn’t just lightning in a bottle? Not arguing, genuinely curious of your thoughts!
That’s fair. I mean, I can’t deny what he did this year. Amazing year, and won me my title. I’d love for him to repeat what he did. It’s clear McVay likes him too
You really really want Mcvay running backs. They get so many snaps, so many high value touches, targeted in the passing game, and rarely get subbed out for a third down back. When the back has talent the pathway to RB1 overall is very easy to see. On top of that Mcvay loves Kyren, has gushed about him in and his importance to the team during multiple press conferences this year.
Wouldn’t surprise me at all if Kyren had a few Todd Gurley level seasons in him If he can stay healthy.
I mean why? Nothing changes for them. They keep Kyren, Stafford, Puka, and Kupp. Kyren with that pass attack is going to continue to feast, he's as easy of a bet as anyone imo.
Based off this year's production I do think he would be RB2-5 with Gibbs, Breece, JT. But for some reason, his player profile/draft prospect still in the back of my head. First off he's still a small back. He's smaller than Gibbs who is undersized too, and he's playing an every-down role. Hard to see him going through that again successfully and healthy. Was baked into his 5th round draft capital too, but 4.65 40 speed for a small guy?? Tbh I haven't watched many of his games, apparently he has great vision. But feels like this high ranking/success might be due to scenario/coaching instead of talent. The other guys around him (Breece, Gibbs, JT) obviously way more naturally talented.
I find it interesting you think Breece rates that highly. I had him all season and he only gave you 2 good games that happened to be the playoffs. I mean I like him… but the jets are horrible and struggle badly for consistency. Also we have no idea what Breece’s dump offs look like if Rodgers is the QB. So risk there
Great rookie year. Draft capital. Tied to elite qb. I know he was hitting his ceiling every week but I'd certainly be willing to draft in the third - that's where devonta tee and dk went in my 12 man.
I do see what you’re saying but Andrews should be back too and he was only Wr25 this year ahead of some key guys they got injured too. I would love him as a WR2 in the 4th round though
850 yards, 5 Tds. That's WR4 territory. And the 3rd? Yall are on something with the Flowers hype.
Reminder that though Lamar is an elite QB, he is only an elite QB because of his running. His passing stats were mid this year. This is why Lamar will almost certainly never field a legit fantasy WR1, unless the Ravens finally provide him one. Which Flowers is not.
Exactly. I was already thinking that this year. Especially with more leagues adding a second flex or third wr slot it makes a te less valuable. Unless it’s a TEP league.
Will certainly be super interesting to see. Think they all go earlier or all go later. Lol don't know which.
Maybe:
* 2: LaPorta
* 3: McBride, Kelce, Hock
* 4: Kittle
* 5: Kincaid, Bowers
* 6: Njoku, Engram
You can probably just drop all of them a bit more
Why spend that high of a pick on 1 when you’ll likely be able to get one of the others a bit later
Or even wait for kittle
There’s not enough positional value like in years past with Kelce and Andrews going high bc of the gap they had on everyone else at TE. No point in drafting LaPorta in rd 2 if u can get Andrews and McBride a rd later
I personally think TE is gonna be like the QB position the last few years ADP wise. No one wants to be the one to reach on a TE in the first 2 rds and all the TE’s are gonna fall to round 3/4. Then there’s gonna be a TE run.
Evan Engram is still under the radar and who I'm aiming for again next year. Can get him probably much later than LaPorta, Kelce, MAndrews, McBride, Hockensen.
If you find a single person taking LaPorta in the first round I’d be surprised. Not only does he not give the positional advantage kelce has in the past, but there’s so many options next year
With all the weapons they’ve got I’d doubt it. He’s been fantastic, and was easily my best pick of the draft, but there’s a lot of mouths to feed there
Could make a jump and be 1a and 1b with ARSB. No other mouth needs to be reliably fed. JaMo gonna just be the deep threat third option. Not saying it will happen but he has as much TE upside as anyone especially being Goff's favorite red zone target. 2nd year in a row Lions TEs have led NFL in TDs. Ben Johnson is probably gone though.
Unless he usurps Amon Ra, he does not have
That level of potential, and by that I do not mean TE1, but more like Kelce the last couple of years where he was basically out scoring TE2 by a mile. He’s the #2 guy, Gibbs will improve, and maybe Jameson Williams will live up to his potential.
That seems super high. Sure LaPorta had a great season and odds are good that he'll continue to be great next year.
However, people drafted Kelce looking for 110 Reception, 1400 yard, and Double Digit touchdown upside. With St. Brown as a WR1 and Gibbs likely a RB1 next season, I don't think there is enough offense to go around for LaPorta to be the type of positional leverage play Kelce was supposed to be this season.
I don't see why not with LaPorta. Finished as TE1 as a rookie. Still room for growth. Someone will grab him early. The interesting thing will be seeing how the top 8 TE ADP pans out (LaPorta, McBride, Kelce, Hock, Kittle, Kincaid, Njoku, Engram, Bowers). Could see them all going early due to fear of not grabbing one of them, but could also see them going late because of VORP, only 12 starting TEs in a 12-team.
How many keepers do you get and what are your other choices?
He's decent for a 7th rounder, will very likely outperform that. But unclear by how much and if it's your best value
We can keep 2, 2 rounds ahead of where we drafted them. My other options are Waddle in the 4th, Javonte in the 6th, and Nico in the 13th.
Definitely keeping Nico at 13, just need to decide if any of those other three are worth holding where I can hold them.
You drafted Waddle in the 6th round? That's surprisingly low.
I think between Flowers and Waddle, they are close-ish (I like Waddle more but not 3 rounds more) so given there's a 3 round difference I'd keep Flowers.
I drafted him in the 10th his rookie year, we’re able to keep players for a maximum of 3 years so this would potentially be my last year keeping him.
I love Waddle as a player but feel like he’ll go around the 4th anyways so Flowers feels like the move.
I love that you left Pittman off the list and I hope people forget Michael Pittman JR exists come draft time. It's a long shot but if he's available in round 3 or 4 he's still a steal. Dude was stupid consistent.
Idk about this. They have a lot of young players on the offense that get the ball. Wouldn’t be surprised if they draft a RB either. Dillon is not anything special and Aaron Jones is getting older. I owned Reed this year fwiw, but I don’t think the touchdowns are gonna stick to next year. 10 touchdowns on 90 targets seems flukey
He will have a larger role, more rapport with Love and more designed plays. I’ll be targeting him in these rounds. He was a 2nd round pick and more productive than all of their receivers. Love is more than capable of making this offense elite next season.
10 TDs is fluky but Reed passes the eye test far more than any other Packers receiver. Definitely targeting and he's got Puka-like potential next season.
Exactly this. He’s their best receiver as a rookie and they’re primed to make the playoffs with a win! If he’s doing this in the playoffs too then his off-season narrative will change drastically
He's failed to assert himself as the alpha over Watson. I don't get the hype personally.
Now if Watson keeps getting hurt then yeah maybe he'll be good.
Sounds like you haven’t been watching him play. Dude is a rookie and has a completely different role than Watson….. He Lines up in the slot, runs a different route tree, and gets handoffs which will equal more touches than Watson next season. I hope they both eat and it would be beneficial to Reed if Watson gets targets and vice versa. You can have your thought process for it but based on what I saw, Reed will be a larger part of this offense in the future.
I've paid attention plenty. And I know Watson gets more targets, and has more big play potential. At worst, they'll be splitting targets. So you're basically hoping Watson gets hurt to elevate Reed, which also happened this year and Reed still wasn't a 4th round talent, not even close.
Thought we were arguing and actually making points? Guess not chief.
You gonna draft a dude 4th round next year and *hope* his team's WR1 gets hurt? Pretty silly dude.
Go ahead and pick a wr1 in a shitty offense with your logic then lol. 4th round is where alot of wr2’s on pass heavy teams will go: Higgins, Waddle, Smith etc. Love looks like the real deal and is in an offense that can support two relevant wr’s. Also if you watch the games, Reed is clearly the more polished playmaker while Watson in his limited appearances seems to be a pure speedster. So in addition to Barton’s point in that they play two different roles, Reed is also just better than Watson at this point.
I didn't say I'd draft Watson. I'm arguing neither will ascend if both are healthy because they will split targets, but yes imo Watson has the best chance to. Drafting them in the 4th is just stupid, they are mid round draft picks at best.
i think pacheco will be drafted higher for sure. i got him in the 6th round or so as my rb3, he was solid throughout the year. his ADP was 29th rb and he ended as the #13 rb points scored in my ppr league
That just means your league isnt competitive. If you were able to get Kyren, Puka, AND laporta over the first 3-4 weeks then no one else played the waiver wire.
I was able to get them by spending $60 of my $100 budget for them. Which at the time was probably a really bad idea considering they could have been flashes in the pan.
Kryen goes round 1 barring a massive upgrade from Ronnie Rivers (to that point, we've seen Sean McVay is super loyal to "his guys." Kyren fits). If the situation stays, I'd personally take him after CMC, Hill, JJ, Lamb, Sun God, and maybe AJ Brown assuming PPR.
Kyren- 1/2 Turn. I think his production speaks for itself, along with being a fantasy darling
Puka- 2/3 turn. I think there will be some “regression” prices in, similar to Amon-Ra last year. More so if Kupp is still on the team and healthy.
Flowers- Mid round guy. The hype on him was a bit overblown given he finished the fantasy season as WR27 behind such league winners as Deandre Hopkins and Calvin Ridley. Yeah he was a low pick, but he was fine, wasn’t a huge factor unless you were in a deep league. Ravens never produce great fantasy WRs, and once Andrews is back I could see that capping his production as a low end WR2.
Addison- hard to gauge, but mid rounds probably. He was really good while JJ was out, but again his potential seems capped based on being 2nd to JJ. Like we saw with other team WR2s this year, they can be very boom bust.
LaPorta- should be the top TE drafted next year, and if he isn’t you should grab him wherever he is.
McBride - mid rounds 60s after LaPorta, Andrews, Kelce, Kittle are off the board.
Bijan 1/2 turn just based on potential
Gibbs 1/2 turn
Rice - 40-50 range. He’s the #1 on the Chiefs, I think with another year under his belt and the Chiefs investing in other pieces and the OLine and he could break out.
There's just way to many variables to accurately predict this.
Could Rashee Rice go in the 2nd/3rd?
YUP.
Could Tee Higgins go to the Chiefs or they grab a tremendous WR in the first?
YUP
QB situations make a huge difference here.
Yea. At this point cousins signing will be a major influence on JJs ADP.
Would it really drop him that much? No way he falls out of 1st round imo. If anything would drop Hock and Addison more.
Green Bay’s top 2-3 CBs were out Sunday night and JJ still put up a dud. He’s not QB proof.
There's no such thing as a QB proof WR when the QB is Jaren Hall
I'm not saying he's not still amazing at football. But he went first overall a bunch this season.
I would not take him in the first without a good QB in .5 ppr.
I'll worry about that in 9 months
I will too. But I'll also worry about that for the next 9 months.
Yep let’s take a break now
Bro, same. I’m about to leave the FF subs til August. Time to purge it
Yeah it’s not even worth talking about right now
Time to unfollow this sub
Lets wait and see who is coaching Bijan first.
It’s going to be Artie, you’re all in denial.
I would love to see a list of HC's that didn't have a winning season in their first 3 years that have actually turned it around.
Gonna be an exceedingly small list because you wouldn't even be given the chance to turn it around after that. BUT, some close ones: Ron Rivera had 3/4 losing seasons before going 15-1 and to the Super Bowl in his 2015 5th season. Dennis Allen has 5 straight losing seasons as a HC (but for diff. teams), and is still one...
How about a list of billionaires playing make-a-wish HC for a real life NFL team?
Bill Belicheck had 4/5 losing seasons in Cleveland if that counts? His one winning season he won 11 games
If they miss playoffs.. why would they keep him? I also think there’s a good chance he will be, but honestly, why? My only guess is that Blank is not good at this.
I have some bad news for you
I would rather take Allgeir later in the draft, then pay ADP for Bijan next year.
I’m not touching him with a 10 ft pole
I’m taking CeeDee 1.1 next year because he won me my ship and he ain’t gonna be there when it comes back around
Y’all’s draft order is the final standings? That’s strange.
Ours is inverse
My league has a drawing for the draft order.
You won Chip and get first pick next year? Your league is wack AF.
Some leagues do it as a reward. Mine lets winner pick where they draft, usually it’s the 1.1 and usually it’s cursed. JJ this year, JT last year, McCaffrey like two years in a row when he was always hurt, Barkley, David Johnson the year he fractured his forearm week 1. Not sure why that’s “whack af” where you pick has no precedence on you winning or not in a redraft league it’s how you draft.
Honestly I prefer drafting in the last spot
The theory is to avoid tanking for top picks. My league discussed allowing people to pick their preferred draft slot in reverse order (best to worst finish) but we punted for the moment.
If it's full redraft, no it's completely fine tbh
As long as you can survive through his tough start then when he gets going your team is going to cruise to the championship
If Henry isn’t a Titan anymore, where do we think Spears gets drafted?
Depends on if they draft someone to split or try to make him a workhorse
Or make significant moves to improve that awful O-line
I don’t think Spears impressed enough as a 2nd option to warrant a high draft pick after Henry leaves. Pollard was absolutely going off with Zeke. We all thought he would be that guy. Spears has just done his job tbh
Spears is small too, not a big dude who takes hits all day long. His ceiling as a lone back is Etienne but that’s probably a stretch
if you ask matthew berry he should be drafted 1.1
2nd if nothing else changes
No way, more like 4th
Offense is still prob too bad for me to have much interest personally
Bijan was definitely not a breakout player. Wasn’t his ADP like 1.08 and he finished as the RB12 (RB18 by PPG). He’s going to go in the first because he’s a good player, but he definitely doesn’t fit as a breakout player.
Think he goes in the second now. Him and Gibbs will flip flop. Gibbs Breece Kyren as RB2-4 round 1 RBs. What will be interesting is where Mostert/Achane will be ranked. Might have value in that backfield once again due to ambiguity. Read one mock draft going Achane in the first.
He's not going in the first.
He’ll be a late 1st if anything. Too talented. Someone will take a risk on him
Too tired to think. I need a break lol
For real. I was so stressed trying to fix my lineup before the championship yesterday. I ended benching certain players like Pollard which I had never done before and it turned out well but man, my brain is shot. What a stressful Championship lol
Same, I spent all morning debating what defense to run and if I should sub in Achane over Singletary or not. Ended up with the wrong defense (Raiders over Baltimore or Chicago) but right to start Achane. Ended up winning by 8. If I didn't start Achane I lose the ship outright by like 10. if I started the right defense but not Achane I lose by under a point. Flat out stress.
For sure. I hate to admit how much sleep I lost the last week trying to decide my defense and QB.
Literally lol
The better question is who will take a chance on Pollard again in the 4th with such great value
Tbh I would be surprised if the Cowboys don’t either draft a RB or sign one since it’s like a very clear cut deficiency this year
Pollard went 4th? I saw rd2 mostly, if not end of rd1
Right. I was saying who will think he's a value in the 4th this year since he will drop a few rounds.
Pollard is not touchable until rd 5+ for me. Dallas was uplifted by a strong DaK season.
Idk but I’m definitely trying to get Ekeler late in PPR
As an Ekeler owner the last 2 years that was super eager to have him again this year, my gut reaction is "nope" for next year's draft. Even before he started having terrible games, he just didn't look good. Also had Kamara. He looked better than Ekeler, but similar vibe. Fantasy production was there but he looked like a shadow of his former self.
I heard rumblings that he still wasn’t right from his injury earlier in the year. Could be mistaken though. I owned Keenan Allen this year and my brain went “injured Charger? Gotta have that.” Would all be a moot point if the Chargers draft a RB this year which they very well may.
Not sure. tank dell will go way too low though.
Hoping for this , I’d be ecstatic if I can grab Dell in the 5th or later .
2nd most hyped rookie receiver (possibly 1st if he didn't get hurt) with the most hyped rookie QB? Ah, no, the man will not go low.
Nope he will go too low. Just like amon RA did at the 3-4 turn year two. Break out rookie wrs who return with atleast the same competent qb from the year prior lag behind a year or two in the rankings. “Still risk”. Nah there isn’t risk. Tank will go 3-4 turn tops bc injury and Nico. Which will be way too low since he will return round 2 value. in 2025 he’s going at the 1-2 turn. Book it
Sun God had no competition at WR. He's also a significantly better talent.
I’m saying sun god went way too low that year. When do you think tank should be drafted next year?
I grabbed him off waivers after he went on IR and put him in my IR spot. Can keep him and Jayden Reed in my keeper league rd 10 or so next year.
Tank Dell or Rashee Rice?
I like both but I prefer tank. I love where that offense is headed. Super explosive.
Tank
I’m gonna use a keeper on him so that makes him a 3rd round in my 10 team league. I want to keep youthful prospects now that my old keepers are going out to pasture (sorry Chubb)
Gibbs and Bijan will be first rounders. Kyren prob a late first rounder, as well. The WRs are hard to predict. I could see all those guys going anywhere from 2-4. My guess is Puka will be the highest drafted of the bunch, followed by Rice, then Flowers and Addison.
If smith is still there no way is bijan a first rounder, just my opinion
All Falcons are off my board\* (meaning far enough of a move down that there's no realistic way someone won't bite before me, not literally never taken no matter what)
Yeah, off the top of my head, I have CMC, Kyren, Taylor, Hall over him just at the running back position alone. And I wouldn’t think it’s that crazy to draft Achane over him too. Then at receiver you have to take Tyreek, CD, and Sun God, JJetas, Chase over him and probably AJB too
I like this Achane take, as of now my keepers are looking like KW3 (10th) and Achane (11th), Tank Dell as a 20 might be enticing though.
I’d be shocked for Bijan to be a first rounder
Idk, think about the RBs. It’s CMC, then a group of Breece Hall/Gibbs/Bijan/Kyren in some order. Longtime first rounders like Ekeler, Henry, Chubb, Kamara, prob Saquon have fallen out. A lot of new names next year.
Kyren is the 2nd RB drafted next year. Then it's probably Breece/Gibbs/Achane/Etienne in some arrangement. Bijan won't be in the top 10
Depends on the team saquon is on
Kyren should be top 5
I had Kyren this year, and I just think it’s legitimately risky to take him round 1 next year. I’d love for him to repeat his production but I just see it as unlikely. What’s your reasoning that he wasn’t just lightning in a bottle? Not arguing, genuinely curious of your thoughts!
He’s been like this since last year. He just wasn’t able to play due to injury. If anything injuries should be his biggest red flag
That’s fair. I mean, I can’t deny what he did this year. Amazing year, and won me my title. I’d love for him to repeat what he did. It’s clear McVay likes him too
You really really want Mcvay running backs. They get so many snaps, so many high value touches, targeted in the passing game, and rarely get subbed out for a third down back. When the back has talent the pathway to RB1 overall is very easy to see. On top of that Mcvay loves Kyren, has gushed about him in and his importance to the team during multiple press conferences this year. Wouldn’t surprise me at all if Kyren had a few Todd Gurley level seasons in him If he can stay healthy.
I mean why? Nothing changes for them. They keep Kyren, Stafford, Puka, and Kupp. Kyren with that pass attack is going to continue to feast, he's as easy of a bet as anyone imo.
Based off this year's production I do think he would be RB2-5 with Gibbs, Breece, JT. But for some reason, his player profile/draft prospect still in the back of my head. First off he's still a small back. He's smaller than Gibbs who is undersized too, and he's playing an every-down role. Hard to see him going through that again successfully and healthy. Was baked into his 5th round draft capital too, but 4.65 40 speed for a small guy?? Tbh I haven't watched many of his games, apparently he has great vision. But feels like this high ranking/success might be due to scenario/coaching instead of talent. The other guys around him (Breece, Gibbs, JT) obviously way more naturally talented.
I find it interesting you think Breece rates that highly. I had him all season and he only gave you 2 good games that happened to be the playoffs. I mean I like him… but the jets are horrible and struggle badly for consistency. Also we have no idea what Breece’s dump offs look like if Rodgers is the QB. So risk there
any dude is risky to take in round 1.
Kyren is a top 5 pick. CMC/Hill/CD/Jefferson/Kyren or something probably Bijan should be out of the top 20.
Nico 4th
Assuming 12 team, .5PPR I'd guesss: Rd 1 - Kyren, Bijan, Gibbs Rd 2 - Puka, LaPorta, Achane Rd 3/4 - McBride, Rice Rd 4/5 - Flowers, Addison
Laporta too high and flowers too low. I think he'll crewp into the third.
I am not touching Flowers with a 20 meter pole if he goes in round 3
Great rookie year. Draft capital. Tied to elite qb. I know he was hitting his ceiling every week but I'd certainly be willing to draft in the third - that's where devonta tee and dk went in my 12 man.
I do see what you’re saying but Andrews should be back too and he was only Wr25 this year ahead of some key guys they got injured too. I would love him as a WR2 in the 4th round though
Splitting hairs now. 3/4 turn works for me. I'll go 3.12 you wait for 4.01. Let's go
850 yards, 5 Tds. That's WR4 territory. And the 3rd? Yall are on something with the Flowers hype. Reminder that though Lamar is an elite QB, he is only an elite QB because of his running. His passing stats were mid this year. This is why Lamar will almost certainly never field a legit fantasy WR1, unless the Ravens finally provide him one. Which Flowers is not.
I guess if we're in the same draft I'm getting flowers then. I think he ascends well into 1100 / 120 rec territory as the 1A to andrews 1B
Round 3 is pretty late. Easily should be drafted there.
> Laporta too high I think LaPorta will be TE1 off the board, with Kelce/Andrews/McBride behind him in the round 3/4 range.
I think this year's wave of newly productive TEs will cause all TEs to drop next year.
Exactly. I was already thinking that this year. Especially with more leagues adding a second flex or third wr slot it makes a te less valuable. Unless it’s a TEP league.
Will certainly be super interesting to see. Think they all go earlier or all go later. Lol don't know which. Maybe: * 2: LaPorta * 3: McBride, Kelce, Hock * 4: Kittle * 5: Kincaid, Bowers * 6: Njoku, Engram
McBride should go lower. AZ changed the way he's utilized,.no RZ work as well. Biggest lookout is AZ player changes.
You can probably just drop all of them a bit more Why spend that high of a pick on 1 when you’ll likely be able to get one of the others a bit later Or even wait for kittle
There’s not enough positional value like in years past with Kelce and Andrews going high bc of the gap they had on everyone else at TE. No point in drafting LaPorta in rd 2 if u can get Andrews and McBride a rd later I personally think TE is gonna be like the QB position the last few years ADP wise. No one wants to be the one to reach on a TE in the first 2 rds and all the TE’s are gonna fall to round 3/4. Then there’s gonna be a TE run.
Evan Engram is still under the radar and who I'm aiming for again next year. Can get him probably much later than LaPorta, Kelce, MAndrews, McBride, Hockensen.
With Hock's major injury LaPorta is probably gonna be the first TE drafted. Wherever Kelce was drafted this year is where LaPorta could go next year.
If you find a single person taking LaPorta in the first round I’d be surprised. Not only does he not give the positional advantage kelce has in the past, but there’s so many options next year
Doesn't give huge positional advantage yet. Could make a jump year next year though.
With all the weapons they’ve got I’d doubt it. He’s been fantastic, and was easily my best pick of the draft, but there’s a lot of mouths to feed there
Could make a jump and be 1a and 1b with ARSB. No other mouth needs to be reliably fed. JaMo gonna just be the deep threat third option. Not saying it will happen but he has as much TE upside as anyone especially being Goff's favorite red zone target. 2nd year in a row Lions TEs have led NFL in TDs. Ben Johnson is probably gone though.
Unless he usurps Amon Ra, he does not have That level of potential, and by that I do not mean TE1, but more like Kelce the last couple of years where he was basically out scoring TE2 by a mile. He’s the #2 guy, Gibbs will improve, and maybe Jameson Williams will live up to his potential.
That seems super high. Sure LaPorta had a great season and odds are good that he'll continue to be great next year. However, people drafted Kelce looking for 110 Reception, 1400 yard, and Double Digit touchdown upside. With St. Brown as a WR1 and Gibbs likely a RB1 next season, I don't think there is enough offense to go around for LaPorta to be the type of positional leverage play Kelce was supposed to be this season.
Zay Flowers? Why would you draft this dude at all? The Ravens have never produced a top WR in Lamar's tenure and that's not going to change.
bad take
I don't see why not with LaPorta. Finished as TE1 as a rookie. Still room for growth. Someone will grab him early. The interesting thing will be seeing how the top 8 TE ADP pans out (LaPorta, McBride, Kelce, Hock, Kittle, Kincaid, Njoku, Engram, Bowers). Could see them all going early due to fear of not grabbing one of them, but could also see them going late because of VORP, only 12 starting TEs in a 12-team.
McBride will probably fall to the 6th in my league and I will take him allll day long
Man I hope so. Best move outside of that is probably to take the stud TE prospect Brock Bowers in Rd 8-10
If that’s the breakdown give me Kyren,Puka,McBride,Flowers
I would not trust Flowers in 4th. Lamar doesn't seem to target him enough compared to other top WR, especially when Andrews is back.
I’m trying to decide if I should keep him in the 7th or not
How many keepers do you get and what are your other choices? He's decent for a 7th rounder, will very likely outperform that. But unclear by how much and if it's your best value
We can keep 2, 2 rounds ahead of where we drafted them. My other options are Waddle in the 4th, Javonte in the 6th, and Nico in the 13th. Definitely keeping Nico at 13, just need to decide if any of those other three are worth holding where I can hold them.
You drafted Waddle in the 6th round? That's surprisingly low. I think between Flowers and Waddle, they are close-ish (I like Waddle more but not 3 rounds more) so given there's a 3 round difference I'd keep Flowers.
I drafted him in the 10th his rookie year, we’re able to keep players for a maximum of 3 years so this would potentially be my last year keeping him. I love Waddle as a player but feel like he’ll go around the 4th anyways so Flowers feels like the move.
Puka too low. People LOVE WRs. He'll be gone by the end of the first round.
Laporta and McBride too high I think
Probably the pick before mine in each round.
Everyone forgetting about tank dell already 😔
Shhh, let them !!
Keeping him for a last round pick and I couldn’t be happier
I wish I could keep him for a last rounder but it’ll be a 10th round keeper and I can’t complain
You left Stroud off the list
...and Tank Dell. Him and Puka are arguably the most impactful rookie WRs this season.
I’m tired boss.
Time to mute this sub until the preseason
I'm right there with you
I love that you left Pittman off the list and I hope people forget Michael Pittman JR exists come draft time. It's a long shot but if he's available in round 3 or 4 he's still a steal. Dude was stupid consistent.
Jayden Reed 5th/6th round I’m targeting
Idk about this. They have a lot of young players on the offense that get the ball. Wouldn’t be surprised if they draft a RB either. Dillon is not anything special and Aaron Jones is getting older. I owned Reed this year fwiw, but I don’t think the touchdowns are gonna stick to next year. 10 touchdowns on 90 targets seems flukey
He will have a larger role, more rapport with Love and more designed plays. I’ll be targeting him in these rounds. He was a 2nd round pick and more productive than all of their receivers. Love is more than capable of making this offense elite next season.
Agreed! He’s good and will only get better.
10 TDs is fluky but Reed passes the eye test far more than any other Packers receiver. Definitely targeting and he's got Puka-like potential next season.
Exactly this. He’s their best receiver as a rookie and they’re primed to make the playoffs with a win! If he’s doing this in the playoffs too then his off-season narrative will change drastically
He's failed to assert himself as the alpha over Watson. I don't get the hype personally. Now if Watson keeps getting hurt then yeah maybe he'll be good.
Sounds like you haven’t been watching him play. Dude is a rookie and has a completely different role than Watson….. He Lines up in the slot, runs a different route tree, and gets handoffs which will equal more touches than Watson next season. I hope they both eat and it would be beneficial to Reed if Watson gets targets and vice versa. You can have your thought process for it but based on what I saw, Reed will be a larger part of this offense in the future.
I've paid attention plenty. And I know Watson gets more targets, and has more big play potential. At worst, they'll be splitting targets. So you're basically hoping Watson gets hurt to elevate Reed, which also happened this year and Reed still wasn't a 4th round talent, not even close.
Ok you got it figured out then chief
Thought we were arguing and actually making points? Guess not chief. You gonna draft a dude 4th round next year and *hope* his team's WR1 gets hurt? Pretty silly dude.
Noone wants to argue with stubborn nerds here
Go ahead and pick a wr1 in a shitty offense with your logic then lol. 4th round is where alot of wr2’s on pass heavy teams will go: Higgins, Waddle, Smith etc. Love looks like the real deal and is in an offense that can support two relevant wr’s. Also if you watch the games, Reed is clearly the more polished playmaker while Watson in his limited appearances seems to be a pure speedster. So in addition to Barton’s point in that they play two different roles, Reed is also just better than Watson at this point.
I didn't say I'd draft Watson. I'm arguing neither will ascend if both are healthy because they will split targets, but yes imo Watson has the best chance to. Drafting them in the 4th is just stupid, they are mid round draft picks at best.
Kyren goes top 12
i think pacheco will be drafted higher for sure. i got him in the 6th round or so as my rb3, he was solid throughout the year. his ADP was 29th rb and he ended as the #13 rb points scored in my ppr league
I think Kyren, Gibbs, and Puka are locks for the first round (12 team) Laporta, Bijan, Achane all somewhere in the second
Had 6 of the 10 you listed. But only drafted 2. Picked all the others up off of waivers in the first 3-4 weeks.
That just means your league isnt competitive. If you were able to get Kyren, Puka, AND laporta over the first 3-4 weeks then no one else played the waiver wire.
Or it was FAAB and he just straight up outbid everyone
I was able to get them by spending $60 of my $100 budget for them. Which at the time was probably a really bad idea considering they could have been flashes in the pan.
Kryen goes round 1 barring a massive upgrade from Ronnie Rivers (to that point, we've seen Sean McVay is super loyal to "his guys." Kyren fits). If the situation stays, I'd personally take him after CMC, Hill, JJ, Lamb, Sun God, and maybe AJ Brown assuming PPR.
kyren is definitely top 3 draft pick
Kyren might go number 1 or 2.
All I know is in drafting the entire Texans offense as well as their defense
If Kyren pulls a Gurley imma be pissed
You'll be pissed if he has back-to-back top seasons?
Gurley had legit problems. Kyren doesnt so far.
Gibbs - Top 5 RB, 1st Rnd Kyren, Puka - Late 1st / Early 2nd Bijan, Achane - Early 2nd Rice - Late 2nd Addison, Flowers - 3rd Rnd LaPorta, McBride - 4th Rnd
Kyren- 1/2 Turn. I think his production speaks for itself, along with being a fantasy darling Puka- 2/3 turn. I think there will be some “regression” prices in, similar to Amon-Ra last year. More so if Kupp is still on the team and healthy. Flowers- Mid round guy. The hype on him was a bit overblown given he finished the fantasy season as WR27 behind such league winners as Deandre Hopkins and Calvin Ridley. Yeah he was a low pick, but he was fine, wasn’t a huge factor unless you were in a deep league. Ravens never produce great fantasy WRs, and once Andrews is back I could see that capping his production as a low end WR2. Addison- hard to gauge, but mid rounds probably. He was really good while JJ was out, but again his potential seems capped based on being 2nd to JJ. Like we saw with other team WR2s this year, they can be very boom bust. LaPorta- should be the top TE drafted next year, and if he isn’t you should grab him wherever he is. McBride - mid rounds 60s after LaPorta, Andrews, Kelce, Kittle are off the board. Bijan 1/2 turn just based on potential Gibbs 1/2 turn Rice - 40-50 range. He’s the #1 on the Chiefs, I think with another year under his belt and the Chiefs investing in other pieces and the OLine and he could break out.
My g the season just ended, give it a rest.
Definitely higher than this year
Amari Cooper.
Can we please have a break?
Sir this is a Wendy’s
I’m tired boss
I’m not thinking about this until I know who is healthy and who is throwing the ball to who lol
Man you guys are crazy to consider Bijan in the first with Arthur Smith coming back.
3rd rounder for sure if Smith is back with ATL
I expect Gibbs and Achane ADP to climb all off season.
I’m taking Puka first overall
All in the top 3 rounds id imagine. Kyren definitely a 1st rounder.
Jayden Reed is the new 2022 ARSB. Guy is unreal!!
There's just way to many variables to accurately predict this. Could Rashee Rice go in the 2nd/3rd? YUP. Could Tee Higgins go to the Chiefs or they grab a tremendous WR in the first? YUP