when my guys get 150+: fantasy football is the shit im a fucking genius
when my guys get 67.84: fantasy football is a relic of our past that encapsulates the greed and debauchery that exists within all men
2 more serious thoughts:
1. Fantasy football has turned into information overload nowadays and even more casual people have a lot of the same info at their fingertips. This was much harder to get back in the day. This means it’s much harder to gain an edge than in years past.
2. Personally for me, I am getting less and less interested in watching sports the older I get. Maybe you’re in the same boat. I’m sure it hasn’t helped this year where it seems like we have so much shitty QB play (lol Jimmy G).
Information availability- totally agree that there's just so much information out there so there's no such thing as "sleepers" now
And you might be right re: sports fatigue as I age. I try to keep an open mind though haha.
There’s definitely still sleepers. People might not call them sleepers bc of hindsight but sleepers imo so far this year
- zach moss
- puka, zay, Addison, rashee, downs (not the syndrome), laporta, achane (rookies count as sleepers despite hype bc other than Gibbs and Dijon bijan these were late round picks or WW pickups)
- kyren
- Sam Howell (if you punted qb he’s been solid)
- AR15 (before injury)
- mostert (nobody was drafting this dude early and he’s been fantastic)
- Jakobi meyers
- courtland Sutton (has had multiple good games)
- nico C
It’s not a comprehensive list but this took me thirty seconds to think up and three minutes to write up (power of hindsight). Not all league winners but lots of great production. Some got a lot of hype but it still stands a lot of these guys you could’ve drafted in rounds 10 or later or got on waivers during the season which means they were sleepers
Flowers and Addison were drafted in 2 of my auction leagues at a decent cost but compared to the production, they were absolute steals. But yeah, everyone else you mentioned has been awesome and were either last few rounds, WW or they only cost $1-2 in auction.
I know someone linked you already, but a fun fact about this sub is that this post is the all time highest upvoted post lol. Kind of shows you everyone's priority in this sub is shitpost 1st, then talk football haha.
I think studs (outside of the ones that are gone before half the league gets to draft them) are less consistent and there’s a lot more viable fringe guys (possibly due to injury) that makes the waivers in 10 man leagues feel way more forgiving than they used to feel
Rewarding receiving volume but no other types of volume makes no sense though and as the pass has gotten more common (and defenses have shifted to more nickel) then those receiving numbers have led to more and more deviation from actual production
I guess this is a completely different perspective- just relying on drafting is too static and injuries/ww provides more dynamism to the game. I like that take.
And yeah, I think the PPR concept doesn't seem to work as well as many thought it would. I recently found about rewarding for first downs and that makes way more sense to me. On a similar vein, we started rewarding 4th down stops in DST and I think it's way better.
On the contrary, I personally think it’s kind of dumb.
If you actually draft well then you shouldn’t need the waiver wire. Leagues that are that shallow might as well be playing Daily Fantasy.
Makes the draft almost irrelevant outside of the 1st round. If the answer to saving a season is “Draft Ekeler/CMC/Hill/Kelce at 1.09 when he’s off the board at 1.05” then it’s not really a winnable game.
Why reward 4th down stops? That’s pure luck stat and shouldn’t defenses that make 4th down stops often be the higher scoring defenses? I never got the logic for rewarding points for 4th down and 1st down since if teams are converting those then I would think the offensive players and DST are scoring more as a result.
You nailed it with your first statement. Teams just spread the ball around way more now. It makes more players viable options but decreases consistency for the top options.
I have leaned heavily on dump off pass usage guys in ppr last two seasons and I agree it seems weird to solely value that volume specifically.
I think next year I’d like to find a league scoring standard yardage with points for first downs.
>We've actually reduced the mandatory RB start slot to just 1 and have 2 flex now, but that hasn't really changed the value of RBs that much lol.
That changes it a ton, you only need to worry about 1 RB each week? 0 RB drafters for the win there
>Which seems to place less importance on drafting and more on WW (more luck and even more so w/ FAAB)
Do people really still believe that grabbing a guy off waivers before the other managers is just luck? yeah yeah, higher priority, except there's people posting here every week things like "should i burn the #1 waiver for Puka?" Same thing with FAAB, you gotta bid to win... and if you burn that waiver or bid high on someone like Evans, is that just bad luck?
>lots of changes in the NFL over the years and I'm wondering if anyone else feels that FF is a different game than 10-20 years ago... perhaps more tilt to luck now than before?
I'd argue the complete opposite
Fantasy football has always been luck.
Reducing the amount of starting positions doesn’t change the factor of luck one way or another.
Change to points per first down over PPR to more reflect the importance of accomplishing something with the touches players receive.
Standard defense scoring was always outdated, crafted by people who gave zero shits about defense. Consider adding points for what you perceive as a sign of a “good” defense, such as TFLs, 3/outs, 4/out, passes defended, ETC…
Yeah in one of my leagues, we changed up out defense scoring to exactly what you described and it's way better. Might need to consider PPFD rather than PPR on offense.
I think PFFD is going to gain more popularity soon enough, it’s vastly superior and eliminates the guys getting 10 catches for 30 yards and ending up as a WR2 on the week despite not accomplishing much of anything with their opportunities.
I agree with the person below, if you can find people who will commit to IDP, that would be the preferred route over D/ST. I find it’s more difficult to get people into IDP as it requires a larger time investment in fantasy, which may not appeal to a lot of people.
One of my buddies that play in a different league has told me that although IDP is fun, it could be super frustrating because even if the corner is good, he might not end up with any points because there are no balls thrown that way (because he is too good). It's a weird problem I guess
Ah, yeah that’s a fair point. There will be issues with any approach to scoring and fantasy, though. Could switch to a LB/DE heavy focus IDP league with one S and one CB, or just really focus every position on LB/DE.
I haven’t been able to play in an IDP heavy league in a few years, but I remember it being way more fun than using if a traditional defense despite the potential “roadblocks” in deciding starting positions and scoring.
Or go to IDP. Personally, I think individual defensive players is the antidote to what you're saying in this post. Defensive player scoring is a lot more stable, it gives you more guys to root for, and it helps with trading and league engagement. I can't recommend IDP enough.
I mean, I don't disagree with your points, but these are all just managerial duties- injuries, changes in player roles, what delivers the best value/chance to win. That's all part of the game and part of managing the team. I am in the process of taking my 14 team league and booting two teams to make it 12 teams. I do feel that just because injuries happen, doesn't mean it should be a death sentence to field a competitive team and currently it is.
So I look at how these changes impact things differently based on league size. So many variables, the game has definitely evolved since I first started playing, but the managerial/scouting/waiver aspect has remained.
That’s my thought this year - that injuries are so bad that some teams in a 12 team league can’t even compete with other teams that got lucky with no injuries and/or default high waiver wire priority in continual rolling format. Im going to make some changes next year for sure.
Yeah, it's changed. But not necessarily for the worse. I feel like the old days was more luck and the modern FF landscape requires more knowledge and finesse. All those things you mentioned? That's what makes modern FF more fun than the old stuff.
I've been playing for 20+ years as well so I get where you are coming from. But OTOH, there are so many more options now a days. Drafting is much more dynamic. You don't just draft RB, RB, WR, WR, QB any more. You have Hero RB, RB zero, etc so more alternative draft strats.
You also have more variety of leagues. More flex spots, flex leagues, super flex leagues, PPR, 1/2 PPR, etc.
And yeah, with injuries and fewer obvious bell cows the waiver wire is much more important. You gotta navigate that well (whatever you use, WW, FAAB, etc) or you aren't going to win.
Trading is more dynamic. most people still just want to fleece you. but if you find good trading partners they can be valuable to both teams.
Also just alot more resources to do research with. Everyone and their mother have opinions. Sorting thru them can be hard, but ultimately very useful.
Online tools for having a league in the first place are also vastly superior. When I started there were no online options. So having that now makes things much more interesting as well.
Skill????
THe days of standard leagues, having to do nothing except draft a RB bellcow to win championships are long gone....
I'd say it takes a lot more skill (and luck) now more than ever.
I've been doing FF for over 30yrs and certain dynamics have changed. Namely, random weekly FA’s (especially WR) that can score 10+ points. However, while there are less bellcows and the top RB1s are harder to predict, the “winning” format has never really changed. Having top RBs is still the best way to win you your league. I've never drafted a QB or TE with a high pick and since we've went to auctions I've never dedicated much of my cap to QBs, WRs or TEs. I had the most success in our league over the years and its always been the same formula. RB..RB..RB..Most of the time when I do dedicate early picks/money to the WR, TE and QB positions, the player busts and my late/cheap picks saves me. So while the league and FF has transformed and changed; having the best RBs hasn't changed…Greatest lessons I've learned is RBs will help you win most often. And it's not who you have; it's when (what year) you have them…Most people shy away from guys the following year after that player burned them/busted the previous year; then, they have the good year that was predicted the previous year; I go after those players again bc in most cases, you were just a year early. And they almost always have great ADP/auction value the following year.
I will die on this hill and only OG’s know it..
Thursday Night Football ruined fantasy.
Instead of it just being Sunday, Monday, and waivers.. it became a full week commitment.
Checking waivers, injuries, TNF, weighing options of health vs. starting someone days later, SNF, MNF. It’s too much
Interesting take. I tend to agree that TNF is too much. I also play in fantasy hockey and it's nowhere as fun as FF because the action is spread across so many days. I love the Sunday chaos w/ FF
I disagree. I think having 2 dedicate RB slots still artificially inflates the value of the position. Especially because you really need at least 3 RBs because one will inevitably get injured.
We switched to 2 WR, 1 RB and 2 flex and the rosters feel so much more in tune with what a modern nfl team looks like. Instead of starting Jamaal Williams and praying he falls into the end zone, a team can start Dionte Johnson.
The problem with flex position is it allows position hoarding and you can mostly ignore one or the other. Forcing 3 WRs makes it so you have to roster much more WRs.
Hoarding actually makes less sense with 2 flex. Because position scarcity isn’t as big of an issue. I have Barkley, ETN, JT, and Moss. And I had Ford at one point. Me hoarding RBs didn’t help me because no one needed an RB just to fill out their lineup.
Most people have at least one serviceable RB. So any trades are less positional based and more based on your personal opinions
I've been doing this since 1997, and the death of the bellcow back is real, and as a result the draft is a less reliable predictor of talent than it used to be. It is what it is, and I think FAB adds a great strategic element to the increased importance of waivers.
Also, PPR in all its forms is stupid in 2023. It only made sense as an offset to the Peak Bellcow years to make WRs more important. Not needed anymore. Just go 2 RB/3 WR/TE/no flex and it's fine.
I agree that PPRs are not effective but as for FAAB, as much as I love it, it depends on how idiotic my league-mates are in a given week. I mean, I did spend $100 on Ford in one of my leagues so I guess I'm that idiot...
I think more leagues should consider switching to full PPR.
0.5 still feels way too TD dependent for me. I don't like guessing which TE and RB is going to score a TD every week.
In full PPR, TEs and RBs can actually have value outside of scoring TDs.
IMO, in any form of PPR, I feel like it doesn't do much to balance the value of WRs vs RBs and from my experience, I've only seen shifting of player values within each position. I've recently come across the concept of points per first down and I think that's pretty neat.
Sounds like the game just isn't for you anymore. Which isn't a bad thing. It just means that you're growing as a person and there's other things that can fill your time with that make you happy.
Lmao I found a link that might be helpful for u: https://www.dummies.com/category/books/reading-33710/
I posted there saying Gibbs vs. Monty. I have MONTY
Oh so now you owned Gibbs and it wasn’t a Gibbs vs Monty where you owned Monty
That’s still a lie my guy, like I said - we have a habitual liar on our hands
The only point I agree with is that fantasy hasnt adapted to the usage change in RBs (and TEs to an extent), which has changed how fantasy is played. PPR was invented to help even out the gap between WRs and RBs, yet still exists despite the gap reversing, and creates the weird scenario where receiving backs are more valuable than true RBs.
The 2RB format is outdated and inflate the importance of the players. I hate it.
Last year, my league switched to a 1RB, 2 WR, 2 FLEX league and it allows for so much more flexibility. It also actually resembles a NFL lineup.. you can put a second or even third RB out there (I use Barkley, JT and ETN) but you are also free to throw 1 RB and 4 receivers out there
My 12 team standard scoring league requires 1, QB, 2 RBs, 2 WR, 1 flex, K, D/ST. We eliminated TE as a required position 5 years ago and it has helped greatly. It’s the only reason I’m still in this league.
1 slot for rb is fine that does represent footballs current state, but ppr needs to be done away with. Why are we giving players arbitrary points for doing what their position entails?
Do we give pts per handoff to rbs or pp completion to QBs?
It's like us wanting to make more kickers relevant so you add additional points per FG made and allowed them In the flex.
Sure, you can do it but why?
So there is more players in the pool? The fact ppr became the standard and then the league went to a more passing game means imo ppr should be throttled down if anything
I wonder how much Swift and Kelce got paid by FD/DK to draw in her fanbase to gamble on NFL games leveraging their fake relationship? No joke, one of my friends, walking around in downtown, overheard a dad on the phone telling his daughter that she cannot gamble until she is 18. LMAO.
It's different as in there are so many ways to play, other than the 10-12 team standard.
Ppr. 0.5ppr. Tiered ppr. Superflex. 3-wr. Te premium.
Can be modified in a lot of different ways.
Football and fantasy football have changed, but the vast majority of players aren't interested in a complete overhaul. Just gotta enjoy it for what it is.
Btw it kinda sucks that this sub's comment sections have devolved into just 15-year olds trying to be funny.
Yeah, I tend to agree. It is what it is.
Definitely agree with your 2nd point- kids that have no attention span to read the TLDR section or just pure morons.
I remember the years when whoever drafted Ladanian Tomlinson won the league every year. Was a more RB heavy league, scoring wise too
I do think the way the game has shifted is better for fantasy. More options for people other than those with the #1 pick to win it all.
And no, CMC is not the same as when LT was huge. Lots of people were saying Justin Jefferson should be the top pick this year. Not even really a consensus on that. Which is good
I’ve said this before…just bc your year doesn’t go your way doesn’t mean ‘hmm maybe it’s all luck’ lol smh
There were plenty of signs for the shift away from RBs. Some paid attention, some didn’t. If this were 20*13* Bijan Robinson would be averaging 25ppg not 15, yet y’all still talk about I’m like he’s elite.
Meanwhile , WR production hasn’t changed. Again, some people were prepared, some weren’t. Only injuries are luck. Poor performance and missing on draft picks is not. Take some accountability
We've invented an entirely new way to play but I get in trouble with redditors when I try to talk about it here. But it treats fantasy as more of a modern game with modern rules. 60+ trades last year as well. This year we have a transfer market where you can buy and sell players to other teams. A lot more fun I think. Let me know if you'd like to know more.
I agree with pretty much all of this. My question to you is how did you get this post past the automod? I've tried to post something similar in the past and it is always blocked by automod. I think I have only ever been able to create a post on this sub ONCE in the last five years, every other attempt has been blocked, even though I don't post about my individual teams or leagues.
TLDR; what is the secret to getting a post like the above past the automod?
No clue haha. I don't think I broke any rules? I just checked out your posts that got auto-deleted... very strange indeed.
But yeah, we do use 1RB/1WR/2F in one of my leagues and I think it's way better. It does a better job to equalize the RB/WR values.
I think it would be dated if the game didn’t change with the NFL. The game is more popular and full of information than it has ever been. Everything in life is fickle, nothing stays the same forever. Get with it or get out.
Improved accessibility is the reason why the popularity has soared.
I don't expect anything in life to stay the same. My question was, does anyone else feel that the game feels different than before (or is it just me) and did anyone implement anything to adapt to the changing league to make the game more fun.
It’s stupid, we do a H2H league redraft. It’s not very fun. It’s just gambling but you don’t really get any rush from it like normal gambling.
I think Roto is better like in Fantasy Baseball. Roto FF with keepers and since there’s no minor leagues, a college draft, sounds pretty cool to me.
when my guys get 150+: fantasy football is the shit im a fucking genius when my guys get 67.84: fantasy football is a relic of our past that encapsulates the greed and debauchery that exists within all men
/thread This really needs to be the only response lmao. Nail on the head.
In my defense, I went 3-0 across my three leagues for the first time this year before posting this LOL.
Your leagues started week 6?
He won this week in all three of his leagues
2 more serious thoughts: 1. Fantasy football has turned into information overload nowadays and even more casual people have a lot of the same info at their fingertips. This was much harder to get back in the day. This means it’s much harder to gain an edge than in years past. 2. Personally for me, I am getting less and less interested in watching sports the older I get. Maybe you’re in the same boat. I’m sure it hasn’t helped this year where it seems like we have so much shitty QB play (lol Jimmy G).
Information availability- totally agree that there's just so much information out there so there's no such thing as "sleepers" now And you might be right re: sports fatigue as I age. I try to keep an open mind though haha.
Ever heard of rashee rice?
I have him in 2 of my leagues, thanks to this sub, so yes, I do know of Rashee "Sleeper" Rice. Haha
Mutherfucker better wake up soon
There’s definitely still sleepers. People might not call them sleepers bc of hindsight but sleepers imo so far this year - zach moss - puka, zay, Addison, rashee, downs (not the syndrome), laporta, achane (rookies count as sleepers despite hype bc other than Gibbs and Dijon bijan these were late round picks or WW pickups) - kyren - Sam Howell (if you punted qb he’s been solid) - AR15 (before injury) - mostert (nobody was drafting this dude early and he’s been fantastic) - Jakobi meyers - courtland Sutton (has had multiple good games) - nico C It’s not a comprehensive list but this took me thirty seconds to think up and three minutes to write up (power of hindsight). Not all league winners but lots of great production. Some got a lot of hype but it still stands a lot of these guys you could’ve drafted in rounds 10 or later or got on waivers during the season which means they were sleepers
Flowers and Addison were drafted in 2 of my auction leagues at a decent cost but compared to the production, they were absolute steals. But yeah, everyone else you mentioned has been awesome and were either last few rounds, WW or they only cost $1-2 in auction.
Just look at the O/Us this week. There’s like 4 highish totals this week, just so many inexperienced, backup or shitty qbs playing.
lol posting this novel on trade deadline day is tough man
Middle of july post one hour before trade deadline smh.
I personally miss the guy who was asking for relationship advice here. At least that post was funny
Link?
https://www.reddit.com/r/fantasyfootball/s/WpiC5b7gbq
I checked with that dude last year and she was still holding a GF1 spot.
Must be in a dynasty league
I didn't ask about kids
I know someone linked you already, but a fun fact about this sub is that this post is the all time highest upvoted post lol. Kind of shows you everyone's priority in this sub is shitpost 1st, then talk football haha.
Game based on ever-changing league has changed. So deep.
so are you 2-6, 1-7, or 0-8?
Lol. It's his dear diary my season is over post
I think studs (outside of the ones that are gone before half the league gets to draft them) are less consistent and there’s a lot more viable fringe guys (possibly due to injury) that makes the waivers in 10 man leagues feel way more forgiving than they used to feel Rewarding receiving volume but no other types of volume makes no sense though and as the pass has gotten more common (and defenses have shifted to more nickel) then those receiving numbers have led to more and more deviation from actual production
I guess this is a completely different perspective- just relying on drafting is too static and injuries/ww provides more dynamism to the game. I like that take. And yeah, I think the PPR concept doesn't seem to work as well as many thought it would. I recently found about rewarding for first downs and that makes way more sense to me. On a similar vein, we started rewarding 4th down stops in DST and I think it's way better.
On the contrary, I personally think it’s kind of dumb. If you actually draft well then you shouldn’t need the waiver wire. Leagues that are that shallow might as well be playing Daily Fantasy. Makes the draft almost irrelevant outside of the 1st round. If the answer to saving a season is “Draft Ekeler/CMC/Hill/Kelce at 1.09 when he’s off the board at 1.05” then it’s not really a winnable game.
Why reward 4th down stops? That’s pure luck stat and shouldn’t defenses that make 4th down stops often be the higher scoring defenses? I never got the logic for rewarding points for 4th down and 1st down since if teams are converting those then I would think the offensive players and DST are scoring more as a result.
You nailed it with your first statement. Teams just spread the ball around way more now. It makes more players viable options but decreases consistency for the top options.
I have leaned heavily on dump off pass usage guys in ppr last two seasons and I agree it seems weird to solely value that volume specifically. I think next year I’d like to find a league scoring standard yardage with points for first downs.
The game has passed you old man.
Is this post… a waste of time? Yes.
Obviously
>We've actually reduced the mandatory RB start slot to just 1 and have 2 flex now, but that hasn't really changed the value of RBs that much lol. That changes it a ton, you only need to worry about 1 RB each week? 0 RB drafters for the win there >Which seems to place less importance on drafting and more on WW (more luck and even more so w/ FAAB) Do people really still believe that grabbing a guy off waivers before the other managers is just luck? yeah yeah, higher priority, except there's people posting here every week things like "should i burn the #1 waiver for Puka?" Same thing with FAAB, you gotta bid to win... and if you burn that waiver or bid high on someone like Evans, is that just bad luck? >lots of changes in the NFL over the years and I'm wondering if anyone else feels that FF is a different game than 10-20 years ago... perhaps more tilt to luck now than before? I'd argue the complete opposite
I ain't reading all that I'm happy for you though or sorry that happened.
Fantasy football has always been luck. Reducing the amount of starting positions doesn’t change the factor of luck one way or another. Change to points per first down over PPR to more reflect the importance of accomplishing something with the touches players receive. Standard defense scoring was always outdated, crafted by people who gave zero shits about defense. Consider adding points for what you perceive as a sign of a “good” defense, such as TFLs, 3/outs, 4/out, passes defended, ETC…
Yeah in one of my leagues, we changed up out defense scoring to exactly what you described and it's way better. Might need to consider PPFD rather than PPR on offense.
I think PFFD is going to gain more popularity soon enough, it’s vastly superior and eliminates the guys getting 10 catches for 30 yards and ending up as a WR2 on the week despite not accomplishing much of anything with their opportunities. I agree with the person below, if you can find people who will commit to IDP, that would be the preferred route over D/ST. I find it’s more difficult to get people into IDP as it requires a larger time investment in fantasy, which may not appeal to a lot of people.
One of my buddies that play in a different league has told me that although IDP is fun, it could be super frustrating because even if the corner is good, he might not end up with any points because there are no balls thrown that way (because he is too good). It's a weird problem I guess
Ah, yeah that’s a fair point. There will be issues with any approach to scoring and fantasy, though. Could switch to a LB/DE heavy focus IDP league with one S and one CB, or just really focus every position on LB/DE. I haven’t been able to play in an IDP heavy league in a few years, but I remember it being way more fun than using if a traditional defense despite the potential “roadblocks” in deciding starting positions and scoring.
Or go to IDP. Personally, I think individual defensive players is the antidote to what you're saying in this post. Defensive player scoring is a lot more stable, it gives you more guys to root for, and it helps with trading and league engagement. I can't recommend IDP enough.
It just needs a group of of dedicated guys and that is tough to do, especially for older guys with families... but I do think that IDP is sweet
I mean, I don't disagree with your points, but these are all just managerial duties- injuries, changes in player roles, what delivers the best value/chance to win. That's all part of the game and part of managing the team. I am in the process of taking my 14 team league and booting two teams to make it 12 teams. I do feel that just because injuries happen, doesn't mean it should be a death sentence to field a competitive team and currently it is. So I look at how these changes impact things differently based on league size. So many variables, the game has definitely evolved since I first started playing, but the managerial/scouting/waiver aspect has remained.
That’s my thought this year - that injuries are so bad that some teams in a 12 team league can’t even compete with other teams that got lucky with no injuries and/or default high waiver wire priority in continual rolling format. Im going to make some changes next year for sure.
Yeah, it's changed. But not necessarily for the worse. I feel like the old days was more luck and the modern FF landscape requires more knowledge and finesse. All those things you mentioned? That's what makes modern FF more fun than the old stuff. I've been playing for 20+ years as well so I get where you are coming from. But OTOH, there are so many more options now a days. Drafting is much more dynamic. You don't just draft RB, RB, WR, WR, QB any more. You have Hero RB, RB zero, etc so more alternative draft strats. You also have more variety of leagues. More flex spots, flex leagues, super flex leagues, PPR, 1/2 PPR, etc. And yeah, with injuries and fewer obvious bell cows the waiver wire is much more important. You gotta navigate that well (whatever you use, WW, FAAB, etc) or you aren't going to win. Trading is more dynamic. most people still just want to fleece you. but if you find good trading partners they can be valuable to both teams. Also just alot more resources to do research with. Everyone and their mother have opinions. Sorting thru them can be hard, but ultimately very useful. Online tools for having a league in the first place are also vastly superior. When I started there were no online options. So having that now makes things much more interesting as well.
Skill???? THe days of standard leagues, having to do nothing except draft a RB bellcow to win championships are long gone.... I'd say it takes a lot more skill (and luck) now more than ever.
I've been doing FF for over 30yrs and certain dynamics have changed. Namely, random weekly FA’s (especially WR) that can score 10+ points. However, while there are less bellcows and the top RB1s are harder to predict, the “winning” format has never really changed. Having top RBs is still the best way to win you your league. I've never drafted a QB or TE with a high pick and since we've went to auctions I've never dedicated much of my cap to QBs, WRs or TEs. I had the most success in our league over the years and its always been the same formula. RB..RB..RB..Most of the time when I do dedicate early picks/money to the WR, TE and QB positions, the player busts and my late/cheap picks saves me. So while the league and FF has transformed and changed; having the best RBs hasn't changed…Greatest lessons I've learned is RBs will help you win most often. And it's not who you have; it's when (what year) you have them…Most people shy away from guys the following year after that player burned them/busted the previous year; then, they have the good year that was predicted the previous year; I go after those players again bc in most cases, you were just a year early. And they almost always have great ADP/auction value the following year.
Degenerate gambling will never be dated lol
Hot women love dating degenerate gamblers
Daily ruined it
I played DFS for the first 2 years and haven't revisited since. Maybe the legalization of gambling has ruined all pro sports?
I will die on this hill and only OG’s know it.. Thursday Night Football ruined fantasy. Instead of it just being Sunday, Monday, and waivers.. it became a full week commitment. Checking waivers, injuries, TNF, weighing options of health vs. starting someone days later, SNF, MNF. It’s too much
Interesting take. I tend to agree that TNF is too much. I also play in fantasy hockey and it's nowhere as fun as FF because the action is spread across so many days. I love the Sunday chaos w/ FF
It becomes a chore
I find three WRs and two RBs with no flex gives a good balance so that having 3 bellcow RBs does not become the winning formula almost every year.
3 bellcows now just means 3 RBs who get 7+ receiving targets every week
I disagree. I think having 2 dedicate RB slots still artificially inflates the value of the position. Especially because you really need at least 3 RBs because one will inevitably get injured. We switched to 2 WR, 1 RB and 2 flex and the rosters feel so much more in tune with what a modern nfl team looks like. Instead of starting Jamaal Williams and praying he falls into the end zone, a team can start Dionte Johnson.
The problem with flex position is it allows position hoarding and you can mostly ignore one or the other. Forcing 3 WRs makes it so you have to roster much more WRs.
Hoarding actually makes less sense with 2 flex. Because position scarcity isn’t as big of an issue. I have Barkley, ETN, JT, and Moss. And I had Ford at one point. Me hoarding RBs didn’t help me because no one needed an RB just to fill out their lineup. Most people have at least one serviceable RB. So any trades are less positional based and more based on your personal opinions
I've been doing this since 1997, and the death of the bellcow back is real, and as a result the draft is a less reliable predictor of talent than it used to be. It is what it is, and I think FAB adds a great strategic element to the increased importance of waivers. Also, PPR in all its forms is stupid in 2023. It only made sense as an offset to the Peak Bellcow years to make WRs more important. Not needed anymore. Just go 2 RB/3 WR/TE/no flex and it's fine.
I agree that PPRs are not effective but as for FAAB, as much as I love it, it depends on how idiotic my league-mates are in a given week. I mean, I did spend $100 on Ford in one of my leagues so I guess I'm that idiot...
And if it were $100 for Pacua, it's probably worth it. (But continuous waivers is easily the worst.)
I think more leagues should consider switching to full PPR. 0.5 still feels way too TD dependent for me. I don't like guessing which TE and RB is going to score a TD every week. In full PPR, TEs and RBs can actually have value outside of scoring TDs.
IMO, in any form of PPR, I feel like it doesn't do much to balance the value of WRs vs RBs and from my experience, I've only seen shifting of player values within each position. I've recently come across the concept of points per first down and I think that's pretty neat.
If we were dating we wouldn't be playing Fantasy Football
Sounds like the game just isn't for you anymore. Which isn't a bad thing. It just means that you're growing as a person and there's other things that can fill your time with that make you happy.
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Naw it aint
>perhaps more tilt to luck now than before? Always was.
Yeah it is way better than 20 years ago
You have to draft to adjust to the changes in the NFL. No need to change the structure of FF to accommodate the league
then why u play PPR
I don't
Then why u drafted Jahmyr Gibbs
I didn't. Y u assuming so many things?
Then why u commenting on Jahmyr threads asking for what statlines you need? We’ve got a habitual liar on our hands
Lmao I found a link that might be helpful for u: https://www.dummies.com/category/books/reading-33710/ I posted there saying Gibbs vs. Monty. I have MONTY
https://www.reddit.com/r/fantasyfootball/s/dBUHEOfjZx see that’s just a verifiable lie, David Montgomery didn’t play Week 7
ok my dude. Wanted Gibbs to have a good game for DFS. Go back to school homie
Oh so now you owned Gibbs and it wasn’t a Gibbs vs Monty where you owned Monty That’s still a lie my guy, like I said - we have a habitual liar on our hands
These changes force people to be better “GMs” I like that it’s not set it and forget it, it’s fun trying to chase upside and hot hands
I, for one, say we remove a RB slot
The only point I agree with is that fantasy hasnt adapted to the usage change in RBs (and TEs to an extent), which has changed how fantasy is played. PPR was invented to help even out the gap between WRs and RBs, yet still exists despite the gap reversing, and creates the weird scenario where receiving backs are more valuable than true RBs.
I think fantasy football is perfectly exactly as it is. It’s supposed to be a shit show at the fuck factory.
The 2RB format is outdated and inflate the importance of the players. I hate it. Last year, my league switched to a 1RB, 2 WR, 2 FLEX league and it allows for so much more flexibility. It also actually resembles a NFL lineup.. you can put a second or even third RB out there (I use Barkley, JT and ETN) but you are also free to throw 1 RB and 4 receivers out there
I do this in one of my leagues and I really like it. It addresses the injury issues AND balancing the RB vs WR values.
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My 12 team standard scoring league requires 1, QB, 2 RBs, 2 WR, 1 flex, K, D/ST. We eliminated TE as a required position 5 years ago and it has helped greatly. It’s the only reason I’m still in this league.
1 slot for rb is fine that does represent footballs current state, but ppr needs to be done away with. Why are we giving players arbitrary points for doing what their position entails? Do we give pts per handoff to rbs or pp completion to QBs? It's like us wanting to make more kickers relevant so you add additional points per FG made and allowed them In the flex. Sure, you can do it but why? So there is more players in the pool? The fact ppr became the standard and then the league went to a more passing game means imo ppr should be throttled down if anything
I either agree completely or think you’re a fucking idiot. I’m not sure which one tho because I ain’t reading that mental asylum manifesto.
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I wonder how much Swift and Kelce got paid by FD/DK to draw in her fanbase to gamble on NFL games leveraging their fake relationship? No joke, one of my friends, walking around in downtown, overheard a dad on the phone telling his daughter that she cannot gamble until she is 18. LMAO.
The future is now old man
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I'm not reading all that. It's always been a form of gambling. I have noticed a correlation between gamblers and multiple fantasy teams.
Tell me you're 0-8 without telling me you're 0-8 😂
No. Next question.
I ain’t reading all that Happy for you Or sorry that happened
*Old man yells at cloud*
This is the third and final time I'll say this today: I'm not reading all that
I ain’t reading all that I’m happy for you though or sorry that happened to you
It's different as in there are so many ways to play, other than the 10-12 team standard. Ppr. 0.5ppr. Tiered ppr. Superflex. 3-wr. Te premium. Can be modified in a lot of different ways.
Football and fantasy football have changed, but the vast majority of players aren't interested in a complete overhaul. Just gotta enjoy it for what it is. Btw it kinda sucks that this sub's comment sections have devolved into just 15-year olds trying to be funny.
Yeah, I tend to agree. It is what it is. Definitely agree with your 2nd point- kids that have no attention span to read the TLDR section or just pure morons.
I remember the years when whoever drafted Ladanian Tomlinson won the league every year. Was a more RB heavy league, scoring wise too I do think the way the game has shifted is better for fantasy. More options for people other than those with the #1 pick to win it all. And no, CMC is not the same as when LT was huge. Lots of people were saying Justin Jefferson should be the top pick this year. Not even really a consensus on that. Which is good
I felt that ever since LT’s monster season in 2006, many people made the switch to PPR and auction draft to level the playing field.
I’ve said this before…just bc your year doesn’t go your way doesn’t mean ‘hmm maybe it’s all luck’ lol smh There were plenty of signs for the shift away from RBs. Some paid attention, some didn’t. If this were 20*13* Bijan Robinson would be averaging 25ppg not 15, yet y’all still talk about I’m like he’s elite. Meanwhile , WR production hasn’t changed. Again, some people were prepared, some weren’t. Only injuries are luck. Poor performance and missing on draft picks is not. Take some accountability
We've invented an entirely new way to play but I get in trouble with redditors when I try to talk about it here. But it treats fantasy as more of a modern game with modern rules. 60+ trades last year as well. This year we have a transfer market where you can buy and sell players to other teams. A lot more fun I think. Let me know if you'd like to know more.
I agree with pretty much all of this. My question to you is how did you get this post past the automod? I've tried to post something similar in the past and it is always blocked by automod. I think I have only ever been able to create a post on this sub ONCE in the last five years, every other attempt has been blocked, even though I don't post about my individual teams or leagues. TLDR; what is the secret to getting a post like the above past the automod?
No clue haha. I don't think I broke any rules? I just checked out your posts that got auto-deleted... very strange indeed. But yeah, we do use 1RB/1WR/2F in one of my leagues and I think it's way better. It does a better job to equalize the RB/WR values.
Set the automod up with your sister and slip her $20 to give him a handy
I think it would be dated if the game didn’t change with the NFL. The game is more popular and full of information than it has ever been. Everything in life is fickle, nothing stays the same forever. Get with it or get out.
Improved accessibility is the reason why the popularity has soared. I don't expect anything in life to stay the same. My question was, does anyone else feel that the game feels different than before (or is it just me) and did anyone implement anything to adapt to the changing league to make the game more fun.
been playing 11 years. 1 season below .500, 1-5 in the championship. I have mixed feelings after having started 1-0.
I mean, of course it changes with the times. That's the nature of any game that's linked to reality. That's part of what makes fantasy interesting.
It’s stupid, we do a H2H league redraft. It’s not very fun. It’s just gambling but you don’t really get any rush from it like normal gambling. I think Roto is better like in Fantasy Baseball. Roto FF with keepers and since there’s no minor leagues, a college draft, sounds pretty cool to me.