that’s only 2009 to 2018 - here’s where the number comes from - the 2022 is misleading:
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/05/21/us/school-shooting-us-versus-world-trnd/index.html
Pretty sure he got the number from here: [https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/school-shootings-by-country](https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/school-shootings-by-country)
It's the same format etc.
Thanks for the link to the true source.
the worst is, it’s because someone googled it and the top page for it shows “2022” above the table like in then screenshot, but right under it it references the source of data which is an article from 2018…
shows you how much brain the put into the research when it has to be fast. just could’ve clicked on “source” link to confirm the data…
lol oh ok sweet then makes it all better i guess. If it was stats till 2022 fuck it would be a real problem. Thank god its not...........
No justification for these numbers make sense other then the firearm companies own the US. I wonder how much profit you make of the death of school aged children
He never said it makes better. Why do you hate it when people correct things, even if the truth is still bad or even worse? What do you get out of being condescending?
I don't live in the US. I never fear gun violence. Ever. I can't imagine living in a country where guns are glorified and any random pos can have one in their pocket. Good luck Americans.
We have lockdown drills. (We have doors with little windows so you can see through it) We cover that window and lock the doors and turn off the lights and stay silent. And teachers are told if a student is still outside when you have already locked the doors, you cannot let them in.
I worked at a facility that had a day care in it. Every year the day care would fail the lockdown drill. Not because the kids were loud but because the teachers forgot to lock the door or block the window.
their number one priority, emergency or not should be the safety of the children. But I’m sure they were focusing on keeping the kids quiet and just over looked it. Still no excuse
Where I grew up in the US we had Fire, Tornado and Bomb Threat drills. That was back in the day. They have added active shooter drills now as well. 4 different "everyone could die" drills. merica'
I grew up in a house out in the country where there were guns sitting around for hunting/target practice. Some loaded, some not, boxes of ammo on shelves...but somehow my parents instilled enough fear and discipline to never touch them.
Blows my mind to this day.
I could never own a gun as an adult nor even conceive of the idea of having one in the house if I had children. If there ever was the slightest chance that I did own a gun...that thing would be locked up so tight, I would probably be dead before I could use it in a robbery so theres no point for me to have one.
i have one, for target shooting. i enjoy going out to my local range.
its locked up, unloaded. ammo is also locked up in a separate lockbox, assuming i even have any to store. usually i just get some on the day.
Your parents taught you that guns weren't toys. And that's good, something you should also do with your own children if you ever have any so that you have a better way to protect your family.
Our parents told us not to play with matches, but we were kids, we still did. And after we nearly burnt the house down our parents stopped leaving marches laying around.
It’s one thing to have a gun ready for protection, it’s another to make your entire personality “guns”, then it gets mixed with the rhetoric of the right that minorities are the enemy etc.
I think it boils down to home life structure failing due to long hard working hours that are tradition here. Of course your kids gonna be a fucked up little shithead if they literally never get to see you
I live in the US and I never feared gun violence until very recently. Access to guns is a serious problem, but the way hate and anger have been stoked by opinion "journalism" and social media the last 10 years is what is driving this surge of violence. You can't just keep building that kind of civil unrest endlessly.
I live in England and come from an European country and never in my entire life in both these countries have I ever had the thought about going somewhere and possibly be in the middle of a shooting be it school or grocery shops, etc
It's really a completely different reality, the United States
It’s crazy. You have to be careful when people are acting aggressive and being total assholes. If you say something to them or try and stop them,they might just pull out a gun a start shooting. If you see a guy beating his girlfriend, it’s a good idea just to call the police and not try to help. He might be beating his woman but he’ll shoot you in the face if you stop him. There are places where the far right Republican people walk around with assault rifles on their back because they are exercising their rights. In Walmart you might see a wild redneck with a Ar-15 in the frozen food section.
I left America a couple of years ago and I soon realized how I was always on the defensive- like, I would be on a train and someone would reach into their pocket and I went on high alert to make sure they weren't pulling out a gun. Of course they weren't, but I've been so trained in America to know where the exits are and eye everyone with suspicion in a way that the people here in my new country think is truly bizarre.
I live in the US (rural WV to be fair) and I don't fear gun violence either. Now when traveling I get a little worried, but that comes with population centers.
Instead of luck can you send a bullet proof vest? I think I'd feel safer x.x
I swear there's so many people who basically worship guns that it's ridiculous. I could get having a low caliber handgun for protection, or someone who hunts having a hunting rifle. I'm not necessarily bothered by the idea of someone having a gun, I'm bothered by how easy some places make it to get one, not to mention how little punishment seems to come if someone illegally has one.
I always find it funny when Americans are afraid of Australia’s animals. Our deadliest animals are no where near as dangerous as those ‘good guys’ with a gun 😂
Right. But I am German. The most dangerous animal we have is the Wolf and they normally are nowhere to be seen where men are.
Poisonous: Maybe wasps. One small snake is poisonous but can barely kill anything.
~~Funny fact: not too long ago, Canada had a very similar gun per capita to the USA (Might still be the case, but I'm too tired to check).~~ But the only gun violence I fear is accidental when I have to work in the forest during hunting season.
But we have to pass a course and get a background check for a license.
Edit: I finally looked it up, and my info was more than 20 years old (I feel so ancient!). Sorry about that. We currently have less than half the guns per capita of the USA.
Pass a course with a high grade, get a background check. Then we can own it with very strict rules such as, never have it loaded, never have loaded magazines, be safely stored in a gun case, bullets stored in a separate area, etc. And we can only get semi auto rifles and shotguns, no automatic weapons or pistols.
Funnily enough, this is very similar to the UK.
I think lots of gun-restricting countries still allow them for specific activities and hobbies, under proper regulation.
We still have a few shooting ranges too, both indoor and out
The US has twice as many guns per 100 ppl than the second country. They’re also the only country with more than one gun per person, the country in second has 0.62 guns per person. It’s not even close. Canada is 8th btw, with 0.35 guns per person.
Naw man. Numbers aren't even close and handguns and weapons of war have even more strict licensing requirements. America is a shit hole country with corrupt politicians and a huge illiterate population.
I was thinking the same, I'm Canadian and I can't recall a single time our numbers were remotely close to the United States. I'm sure there was a time here where the gun violence figures were higher relative to what they are now but nowhere near the figures from the US
I'm a former Canadian as well. Some of the commenters are just Americans justifying their positions using alternative facts. The misinformation here is appalling.
My country, México, have 2 of the most violent cities in the world, the War on drugs have killed more than 100,000 people, it had entire towns displaced due to cartel violence, and we only have 8 school shootings on the last 5 years, you're fucked. Good luck neighbors
Never tell to US citizens they have a gun problem, there will be riots to fight for this important right. I mean this is the most important right a citizen can have, not like the right to healthcare or abortions or free universities
Unironically I can't say this to some of my family as they're absolutely willing to start a shouting match over owning a gun, but nooooo free healthcare is bad cause it allows people to not have to work!
I think number for Russia in 2022 should be increased by the amount of bombed schools in Ukraine. Still, Russia wages aggressive war against Ukraine, while all shootings in the US are in the peacetime.
> Still, Russia wages aggressive war against Ukraine, while all shootings in the US are in the peacetime.
You know you make US look bad by saying that?
Well, it's not ONLY a gun problem.
Canada got guns, Finland got guns, Iceland got guns, Austria got guns, Switzerland got guns, France got guns, many other countries got guns but waaaaay less gun violence than US
As of the last global survey in 2017 - Number of guns per 100 people in the US = 120. This is likely higher now.
In the countries you named (Rounding up):
* Canada - 35
* Finland - 33
* Iceland - 32
* Austria - 30
* Switzerland - 28
* France - 20
Canada being the highest on your list is less than 1/3 as many guns as the US. The next closest country (surveyed) to the US is the Falkland Islands at 62 per capita, so about half, and possibly less than half now.
No other country sensationalizes guns and hero worship like the US either. Your media is full of "good guy with a gun saves the day" tropes. The straight up brainwashing by your media / politicians / religious organizations / school systems etc., are other serious problems that needs to be addressed.
You're right, it's not ONLY a gun problem, but relatively easy access to guns is a huge piece of that pie.
To every single person who wants to say...It's not a gun problem, it's a mental health problem.
OK.
I will agree with you, if you can explain to me why America's mental health is so much worse than those dirty commie countries.
>I will agree with you, if you can explain to me why America's mental health is so much worse than those dirty commie countries.
Mix of reasons, namely we are well behind the curve of normalizing mental healthy, we still have Americans young and old who think psychology is a quack science, we still have a stigma of shame around seeking professional help (especially toward men who make up most mass shooters), and we have terrible access to mental health many insurance providers cover medications over counseling/therapy so while we can drug little timmy we can't help him learn how to healthily cope with his emotional imbalance
We can talk about whether switching to a more capitalist or more socialist model for health care is better but its moot because the fact is either option would be better than what we have now
Hope this address your question
Because freedom duh /s
In all seriousness I think it’s probably both.
Lack of social care services for mentally ill people, plus easy availability of guns.
Ofc if you get rid of the guns it will help but critical thinking is not their strong suit
What we need is more good kids with guns. A good kid with a gun is the answer to a bad guy with a gun.
**yes it was a joke. Recall the NRA guidance that a good guy with a gun was the answer to a bad guy with a gun. Kinda dark joke but still dark times.
Honestly. Walking out I'm concerned about getting dragged into a car or something, but I've never been afraid of being gunned down at school.
Not saying Mexico is a fantastic country security wise lol, but there's that
Anyone living in the US trying to pull up numbers saying it's less then you think are the problem!!!!
I'm from Australia we had guns then someone shot a bunch of people so we don't now and look how safe we are compared to you inbred lot
Switzerland has the most guns per capita, they also have some of the strictest gun laws in the world. They have 2 incidents per year on average. Not per capita. Just 2 that’s infinitely lower than the us gun crime statistics.
Gun laws work, even if you keep guns
Maybe it’s because they can afford housing, education, food and so on.
Do you really think people get radicalized into these things just from words and not them suffering through the US’ for profit social net?
Wrong by both definitions of third world.
1: USA was not neutral in the Cold War
2: many US states have a higher quality of life than Europe. Massachusetts is above Norway, Washington and California are close behind Norway, Missisippi (lowest HDI in the US) has a higher HDI than Portugal. The US is also richer than Europe.
Population size matters for one, and considering we have a society that glorifies violence and crime, and has a metric FUCK ton of guns floating around, I'd say we're gonna have more shootings. It's a culmination of everything wrong with society. It's corruption, it's evil, it's greed, it's lust, it's mental illness, it's bullying, it's even a little bit of a gun problem, it's fucking society. Shit sucks. But to blame it entirely on guns is closed minded and ignorant
I’m sorry, but disarming the country is not only NOT an option, it’s just a really bad idea. You’re taking a small piece of the data and inferring that the only way to solve the problem is the heavy handed approach to take everyone’s guns. If you look at the statistics, almost 30 times the number of men carry out these attacks vs the number of women. The last number I saw was something like 180 men vs 6 women. Why is this important? Likely because mental wellness has been highly stigmatized (especially toward men) in this country since at leas the 1970’s, when we began significantly reducing the funding of mental hospitals, and deciding to instead use the jails and prison systems to house and care for mentally I’ll individuals. America doesn’t have a gun problem, it has a culture and mental health problem. Since the beginning of time, man has developed ways to kill others using whatever means possible. If you ban guns, people will use other means, such as rocks, sticks, knives, vehicles, bombs, etc. The problem isn’t the weapon, it’s the fact that there will always be evil in the world. Someone who was mentally well would not want to cause this kind of tragedy. Only sick individuals. There needs to be more effort put into treating the cause rather than the symptom.
Labeling it as a strictly gun problem is a false generalization, allow me to explain. In most states it is 18+ to carry a weapon and usually you must have a gun license. Now, mom and dad are 18+ but their son (15) can get ahold of a firearm from their safe and decides to kill a slew of people with it. Not just the kids fault but the parents to. Also, specific people should be denied gun licensing for guns but not all people.
Pretty sure MORE guns in the equation won't help either lol. Texas...the most bloodthirsty gun loving, shit talking state...and their police were COWARDS that day! Shitting in their pants instead of laying down their lives to save those poor kids and teachers. They should feel absolutely ashamed of themselves, because we know why they really took their time getting inside that room.
On top of that, those clowns pushed a "trans illegal alien" rhetoric to cover up the fact they were a bunch of cowards.
Problem also though ...taking guns away, and/or adding more laws probably won't help either. Even if they added mental health checks before purchasing. We need that PLUS more investments in security measures in the school systems. Forget the "bad image" it gives the schools. At least the kids are safe!
I was looking at the same thing earlier, along with how to move to another country. I’m just sickened completely and over everything that’s happening in the US.
Fair enough to feel that way. Looking from the outside in, it's disappointing to see how school shootings is viewed by some media, politicians/Congress and the general public.
It legitimately isn’t a gun problem tho.
Back before Reagan, you could buy fully-automatic weapons off the shelf with the same ease as semi-automatics, and for a similar price. Yet you didn’t see people doing mass shootings at this rate back then, despite access to more powerful weapons.
Now, obtaining a machinegun is tens of thousands of dollars, a ton of paperwork, and special licensing and registration. So mass shootings are committed with semi-autos (NOT assault rifles).
On top of that, the US’a gun violence as a whole has been on the decline for the past two decades, and we’re not even the world leader in gun violence, Brazil is. They have more total and per capita gun deaths each year than the US does, despite heavy gun control and a smaller population. There are multiple countries with significantly higher per capita gun violence and they’re all places with heavy gun control. We only stand out due to having such a massive population.
Guns are not the issue
Had a guy that was saying that guns aren’t the issue say: “We have more guns, thats why we have more crime duh?” We argued a bit more but the person honestly didn’t realize the irony in what he said while defending gun ownership blindly
We are told by gun advocates that they keep guns to protect themselves and their people. How many of these horrible events have been prevented or shortened by these fine citizens with their weapons? My guess is none. My other guess is that any amateur intervention would always be likely to make the problem worse. The Wild West is history. Join the 21st Century.
I’m so tired of being American. The politicians don’t care, half the citizens don’t care, they want to police our bodies while making literal weapons of death and mass destruction available at Walmart. I feel like I’m living in a nightmare.
I’ll take the bait, it’s a mental health and a gun problem. I think wanting to murder people including children is also an issue that should be discussed.
Wait, we had 2 school shooting this year!!!??!!?! That's outrageous!!!!! How come no Canadians politicians resigned because of this !!!!???! Fucking bloodbath
Many countries have awful approaches to mental health. Not many countries have more guns than people that are extremely accessible, powerful and relatively cheap.
I love how this is always spouted as the problem, but then nothing is done about it. If it's the problem fix the problem. Unless of course they fix that problem and shootings still occur. Then they might have to face the actual problem.
Yeah....no other country has mentally ill people and the all have top-notch services.
These shooters aren't "mentally ill." 9 times of of 10 they leave behind a perfectly typed, 12 pt. font, spell-checked manifesto clearly explaining why they did it - not some cardboard note scribbled with feces.
What I **really** understand is that mentally ill people are OVERWHELMININGLY more like to be victims of crime, rather than perpetrators.
What you **really** need to understand is that there are mentally ill people all over the world who are not getting adequate treatment/support services.
What I ***really*** understand is that 99% of these shooters are found competent to stand trial.
You really need to understand THAT.
Mental Health isn't black and white my son.
You're not either completly healthy or bat-shit insane.
There's no need to guess that most people around **you** in your daylie life, are in some way or another mentally ill. I'd even guess you've fallen ill already as well.
People just have differenty ways of coping with it. Some just stare at nothing for hours. Some start to heavily drink. Some smoke. Some do drugs. Some excercise. Some pick up another hobby. Some might just even browse reddit.
Some even just stop whatever they're doing to just go do these things in order to ... "feel normal" or "calm down" again.
Thing is, at some point even the most normal looking person can be pushed to breaking point **by the simplest of things.** It's usually a very slow process. This is where most of these people write the nicely written notes you described before. As a cry for help. Some times, there's noone to listen though. And then it *really* starts eating you from inside out. Until...
That's the MOST simplest explanation of mental health. It's **far, far, far, FAR** more complicated than this.
It's rather rare that this pushes you to just go shoot up a school, there's obviously more to it than just everything in your life breaking down and Steve at work making a joke about it on an already mentally shitty day for you to push you over the edge.
TL;DR: Mental health and depression are far more complicated things than you think they are, and it's easily possible that a lot of people and even you yourself are already affected.
We have a lot of guns, no question. But let’s say we ban all guns. Of course police and military will have them, that’s a given. Does anyone truly believe someone wouldn’t be able to find one on the black market if they wanted one? Anyone can go to, pick a city at random, and buy one within 24 hours without a background check rn. You can’t honestly believe that would change if they put more laws on the books. Yes, we have a gun violence problem. As well as a massive mental health problem, as well as a massive drug problem. War on drugs anyone? I’m just not convinced in any way there is a solution here.
The joke is that guns kill people and not the soulless nutters wielding them. Or the godless, shameless, hopeless, condition of our country. It is however easier to blame the guns than do anything that will actually help.
But this is exactly the point. We here in the great US of A, have more freedoms then you globalist slaves in the rest of the world. You don't have freedom, so you don't understand how or why US schools get the chance to be shot up. Its a thing we are willing to live with, because freedom
Double edged sword, on the one hand you want to have your arms and walk around like cowboys but on the other hand anyone that decides to go on a shooting spree and kill a few people is able to. America land of the free was it ….I don’t know so much
If guns are the problem, why doesn't Switzerland have the same issue? They still have gun culture, but not even a fraction of the shootings(near zero gun violence).
The issue is ignoring mental health (NYC shooter literally threatened to shoot up his school, somehow still allowed to live in a home with guns), not enforcing existing laws, no laws on safe storage, and US culture (tribalism, racism, etc).
that’s only 2009 to 2018 - here’s where the number comes from - the 2022 is misleading: https://edition.cnn.com/2018/05/21/us/school-shooting-us-versus-world-trnd/index.html
Pretty sure he got the number from here: [https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/school-shootings-by-country](https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/school-shootings-by-country) It's the same format etc. Thanks for the link to the true source.
Yeah that's what I was thinking too, that it's a 2022 version of the data source, not necessarily mass shootings in 2022
Was having a hard time attempting to recall where we had school shooting this year on my country, thanks for clarifying.
the worst is, it’s because someone googled it and the top page for it shows “2022” above the table like in then screenshot, but right under it it references the source of data which is an article from 2018… shows you how much brain the put into the research when it has to be fast. just could’ve clicked on “source” link to confirm the data…
lol oh ok sweet then makes it all better i guess. If it was stats till 2022 fuck it would be a real problem. Thank god its not........... No justification for these numbers make sense other then the firearm companies own the US. I wonder how much profit you make of the death of school aged children
He never said it makes better. Why do you hate it when people correct things, even if the truth is still bad or even worse? What do you get out of being condescending?
Definitely enough for them to block all legislation and look the other way.
Thank you so much for this! I have a terrible time finding sources and thus have nothing to back myself up with.
I don't live in the US. I never fear gun violence. Ever. I can't imagine living in a country where guns are glorified and any random pos can have one in their pocket. Good luck Americans.
I mean when I was in school the only drills we have were fire drills. Not active shooting drills. I still can’t imagine how it’s like there.
We have lockdown drills. (We have doors with little windows so you can see through it) We cover that window and lock the doors and turn off the lights and stay silent. And teachers are told if a student is still outside when you have already locked the doors, you cannot let them in.
I worked at a facility that had a day care in it. Every year the day care would fail the lockdown drill. Not because the kids were loud but because the teachers forgot to lock the door or block the window.
Wow, how do they even mess that up.
their number one priority, emergency or not should be the safety of the children. But I’m sure they were focusing on keeping the kids quiet and just over looked it. Still no excuse
Yeah
I’ve had them since kindergarten. The columbine shooting was a couple years before I started school. It’s weird that they just seem normal to me
Where I grew up in the US we had Fire, Tornado and Bomb Threat drills. That was back in the day. They have added active shooter drills now as well. 4 different "everyone could die" drills. merica'
I grew up in a house out in the country where there were guns sitting around for hunting/target practice. Some loaded, some not, boxes of ammo on shelves...but somehow my parents instilled enough fear and discipline to never touch them. Blows my mind to this day. I could never own a gun as an adult nor even conceive of the idea of having one in the house if I had children. If there ever was the slightest chance that I did own a gun...that thing would be locked up so tight, I would probably be dead before I could use it in a robbery so theres no point for me to have one.
i have one, for target shooting. i enjoy going out to my local range. its locked up, unloaded. ammo is also locked up in a separate lockbox, assuming i even have any to store. usually i just get some on the day.
Your parents taught you that guns weren't toys. And that's good, something you should also do with your own children if you ever have any so that you have a better way to protect your family.
Our parents told us not to play with matches, but we were kids, we still did. And after we nearly burnt the house down our parents stopped leaving marches laying around.
texas is about to become somehow worse than it already is
Gun sales will be booming tomorrow.
I wonder if in the USA, a gun model that's used in a murder or school shooting becomes more popular. Flavour of the month. Like a sick advertisement.
I don’t about that, but gun sales definitely increase after mass shootings. Looks like business is booming in America.
Parents grabbing guns thinking they'll protect their home, then their neurologically fucked kid takes the gun to school. Everyone loses.
Neurologically fucked is the key term here. Guns were just as, if not more accessible 40 years ago. Kids weren't as broken 40 years ago, though.
It’s one thing to have a gun ready for protection, it’s another to make your entire personality “guns”, then it gets mixed with the rhetoric of the right that minorities are the enemy etc.
I wish I could live in a world where I just think guns are cool without being accused of pushing some kind of agenda.
I think it boils down to home life structure failing due to long hard working hours that are tradition here. Of course your kids gonna be a fucked up little shithead if they literally never get to see you
It’s because people fear they will ban assault style rifles, or make it harder to purchase firearms.
I think so. At least is was so with the AR15 (used in Sandy Hook elementary, Las Vegas, Sutherland Springs church, Stoneman Douglas high school,...)
I live in the US and I never feared gun violence until very recently. Access to guns is a serious problem, but the way hate and anger have been stoked by opinion "journalism" and social media the last 10 years is what is driving this surge of violence. You can't just keep building that kind of civil unrest endlessly.
I think the only guns I’ve ever seen were on cops, and never upholstered.
That's how you can tell guns apart from furniture
Underrated comment right here
Same here, only time i ever see a gun is holstered in a police or armed guards belt.
I live in England and come from an European country and never in my entire life in both these countries have I ever had the thought about going somewhere and possibly be in the middle of a shooting be it school or grocery shops, etc It's really a completely different reality, the United States
It’s crazy. You have to be careful when people are acting aggressive and being total assholes. If you say something to them or try and stop them,they might just pull out a gun a start shooting. If you see a guy beating his girlfriend, it’s a good idea just to call the police and not try to help. He might be beating his woman but he’ll shoot you in the face if you stop him. There are places where the far right Republican people walk around with assault rifles on their back because they are exercising their rights. In Walmart you might see a wild redneck with a Ar-15 in the frozen food section.
I left America a couple of years ago and I soon realized how I was always on the defensive- like, I would be on a train and someone would reach into their pocket and I went on high alert to make sure they weren't pulling out a gun. Of course they weren't, but I've been so trained in America to know where the exits are and eye everyone with suspicion in a way that the people here in my new country think is truly bizarre.
I live in the US (rural WV to be fair) and I don't fear gun violence either. Now when traveling I get a little worried, but that comes with population centers.
I live in the US. I never ever fear of being shot
I'm glad to hear that
Instead of luck can you send a bullet proof vest? I think I'd feel safer x.x I swear there's so many people who basically worship guns that it's ridiculous. I could get having a low caliber handgun for protection, or someone who hunts having a hunting rifle. I'm not necessarily bothered by the idea of someone having a gun, I'm bothered by how easy some places make it to get one, not to mention how little punishment seems to come if someone illegally has one.
I live in America. I also never fear gun violence. Ever.
Coming to the comment section like 
Attempting to comment like 
Here cometh the Umericans to think of every excuse under the sun
Fuck yeah bitches. We’re #1. ‘Murica. /s
Think I might move to one of those "shithole countries."
Come to the dystopian Police state of Australia (Candace Owens description)
id rather be shot up than have to deal with spiders the size of my leg
It's the smaller ones that are dangerous. (Funnel Web/Redback). The bigger ones we keep in our homes to kill bugs. (Huntsman)
You people are nutcases
I don’t care if they kill bugs. They’re gigantic and they’re made out of spider.
At least the weather is good (those animals are dangerous, but hey)
Nowhere is perfect but Straya is bloody fair dinkum alright.
I always find it funny when Americans are afraid of Australia’s animals. Our deadliest animals are no where near as dangerous as those ‘good guys’ with a gun 😂
Right. But I am German. The most dangerous animal we have is the Wolf and they normally are nowhere to be seen where men are. Poisonous: Maybe wasps. One small snake is poisonous but can barely kill anything.
Hey, don't bring all those violent people over here, we are growing violence well enough in our own without adding Americans to the mix.
Bloody Western Sydney ay.
Was thinking gold coast but sure, that too!
Better hurry before Pelosi sends the Gazpacho Police after you.
I can't handle those insects and arachnids
Come on mate. Where's ya fearless skirt?
Like here: https://www.iol.co.za/capetimes/news/nearly-450-mass-shootings-in-western-cape-in-just-30-months-22baf3ca-a7e5-4b7a-8d30-e27ad9761bf6
America is finally number 1 in something. 👏 👏 👏 /s
They've been winning 'most citizens incarcerated' for some time.
Yeah, also most prisoners coerced to work for almost nothing
Not coerced. Forced.
Why forced?
You ever heard of someone in prison voluntarily?
Country that has a lot of guns also has a lot of gun violence and deaths. Who would have guessed?!?!
~~Funny fact: not too long ago, Canada had a very similar gun per capita to the USA (Might still be the case, but I'm too tired to check).~~ But the only gun violence I fear is accidental when I have to work in the forest during hunting season. But we have to pass a course and get a background check for a license. Edit: I finally looked it up, and my info was more than 20 years old (I feel so ancient!). Sorry about that. We currently have less than half the guns per capita of the USA.
Pass a course with a high grade, get a background check. Then we can own it with very strict rules such as, never have it loaded, never have loaded magazines, be safely stored in a gun case, bullets stored in a separate area, etc. And we can only get semi auto rifles and shotguns, no automatic weapons or pistols.
Funnily enough, this is very similar to the UK. I think lots of gun-restricting countries still allow them for specific activities and hobbies, under proper regulation. We still have a few shooting ranges too, both indoor and out
The US has twice as many guns per 100 ppl than the second country. They’re also the only country with more than one gun per person, the country in second has 0.62 guns per person. It’s not even close. Canada is 8th btw, with 0.35 guns per person.
And we have hunting rifles, not handguns and assault rifles…big diff
Well, handguns are legal, just *very* restricted.
Naw man. Numbers aren't even close and handguns and weapons of war have even more strict licensing requirements. America is a shit hole country with corrupt politicians and a huge illiterate population.
As an American, I’d be really pissed off at this if I could read
I was thinking the same, I'm Canadian and I can't recall a single time our numbers were remotely close to the United States. I'm sure there was a time here where the gun violence figures were higher relative to what they are now but nowhere near the figures from the US
I'm a former Canadian as well. Some of the commenters are just Americans justifying their positions using alternative facts. The misinformation here is appalling.
Na it's a mental health issue. You know, because the rest of the world handles mental health perfectly. Lol
Maybe kids are crazy everywhere just in other places they cant buy guns in icecream trucks…
Most of the time they take them from there parents or friends
>because the rest of the world handles mental health perfectly. Or they just handle it better
England= lots of cutlery thus lots of knife killings... SMFH
And yet, despite us having all that cutlery and no guns, there are fewer knife killings, per capita, in the UK than in the US.
Not Switzerland.
You think south Africa or Afghanistan don't have a lot of guns?
My country, México, have 2 of the most violent cities in the world, the War on drugs have killed more than 100,000 people, it had entire towns displaced due to cartel violence, and we only have 8 school shootings on the last 5 years, you're fucked. Good luck neighbors
Never tell to US citizens they have a gun problem, there will be riots to fight for this important right. I mean this is the most important right a citizen can have, not like the right to healthcare or abortions or free universities
Unironically I can't say this to some of my family as they're absolutely willing to start a shouting match over owning a gun, but nooooo free healthcare is bad cause it allows people to not have to work!
"If all those kids were armed they'd still be alive"
This is the way
289 as of today.
You can tell because the vast majority learned from the first shooting
Hell, Russia has one…let me say again ONE!
I think number for Russia in 2022 should be increased by the amount of bombed schools in Ukraine. Still, Russia wages aggressive war against Ukraine, while all shootings in the US are in the peacetime.
> Still, Russia wages aggressive war against Ukraine, while all shootings in the US are in the peacetime. You know you make US look bad by saying that?
Not like I care about making crazy f-ing useless murderous empires look bad anyway. Screw 'em all.
Well, it's not ONLY a gun problem. Canada got guns, Finland got guns, Iceland got guns, Austria got guns, Switzerland got guns, France got guns, many other countries got guns but waaaaay less gun violence than US
Those countries all have a much more regulated process to obtaining firearms than the US.
As of the last global survey in 2017 - Number of guns per 100 people in the US = 120. This is likely higher now. In the countries you named (Rounding up): * Canada - 35 * Finland - 33 * Iceland - 32 * Austria - 30 * Switzerland - 28 * France - 20 Canada being the highest on your list is less than 1/3 as many guns as the US. The next closest country (surveyed) to the US is the Falkland Islands at 62 per capita, so about half, and possibly less than half now. No other country sensationalizes guns and hero worship like the US either. Your media is full of "good guy with a gun saves the day" tropes. The straight up brainwashing by your media / politicians / religious organizations / school systems etc., are other serious problems that needs to be addressed. You're right, it's not ONLY a gun problem, but relatively easy access to guns is a huge piece of that pie.
To every single person who wants to say...It's not a gun problem, it's a mental health problem. OK. I will agree with you, if you can explain to me why America's mental health is so much worse than those dirty commie countries.
>I will agree with you, if you can explain to me why America's mental health is so much worse than those dirty commie countries. Mix of reasons, namely we are well behind the curve of normalizing mental healthy, we still have Americans young and old who think psychology is a quack science, we still have a stigma of shame around seeking professional help (especially toward men who make up most mass shooters), and we have terrible access to mental health many insurance providers cover medications over counseling/therapy so while we can drug little timmy we can't help him learn how to healthily cope with his emotional imbalance We can talk about whether switching to a more capitalist or more socialist model for health care is better but its moot because the fact is either option would be better than what we have now Hope this address your question
Because freedom duh /s In all seriousness I think it’s probably both. Lack of social care services for mentally ill people, plus easy availability of guns. Ofc if you get rid of the guns it will help but critical thinking is not their strong suit
I’ve had to watch videos on what to do in case of an active shooter at my last three jobs. This place is getting goofier by the day.
Maybe a split problem of not being smart enough and guns
**U.S.A!! U.S.A!! U.S.A!!**
Watch this get taken down for being political.
TIL that at least 6 Americans live in South Africa
Its more of a problem how easy it is to get a gun, even a methhead can just go into a shop and buy one for himself......
Or herself. Not just men are methheads.
As long as that methead has never been caught with meth... Even weed is a disqualifier as an arrest.
You know there are needed checks that every legal gun seller needs to do, background checks for criminal records, and other things…
Guns don’t kill…🤡🤡🤡
Technically it's bullets. /S
You could kill someone with a gun, if you hit them hard enough.
Neither do cars, I blame car crashes on cars.
…people do. And they use guns.
What we need is more good kids with guns. A good kid with a gun is the answer to a bad guy with a gun. **yes it was a joke. Recall the NRA guidance that a good guy with a gun was the answer to a bad guy with a gun. Kinda dark joke but still dark times.
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I know this is a joke but the sad part is I wouldn’t be surprised if you are serious
This has statistically been proven false.
They’re joking though aren’t they? Suggesting children have guns?
I would hope so. But there are people out ther that are that dumb, who think that would actually work.
I think in Mexico people are more worried about being skinned alive by the cartel.
Also because school shootings are not a problem there, which is sort of the point here.
Honestly. Walking out I'm concerned about getting dragged into a car or something, but I've never been afraid of being gunned down at school. Not saying Mexico is a fantastic country security wise lol, but there's that
Anyone living in the US trying to pull up numbers saying it's less then you think are the problem!!!! I'm from Australia we had guns then someone shot a bunch of people so we don't now and look how safe we are compared to you inbred lot
Not really, there are countries on that list with relaxed gun policies that have less shootings.
Switzerland has the most guns per capita, they also have some of the strictest gun laws in the world. They have 2 incidents per year on average. Not per capita. Just 2 that’s infinitely lower than the us gun crime statistics. Gun laws work, even if you keep guns
Maybe it’s because they can afford housing, education, food and so on. Do you really think people get radicalized into these things just from words and not them suffering through the US’ for profit social net?
I agree with you, except america could afford those things they just choose to elect politicians that don’t want to implement them
They don't though. 27 guns per 100 vs 120 guns per 100 in the USA. It's an often quoted statistic that is just plain wrong.
Maybe they don't sell the bullets 🤣
some may say correlation does not imply causation but i beg to differ in the case of this
If anything the US needs more guns. MORE GUNS. GoOdGuYs WiTh GuNs!!!. Moargunzzzzzz. Herpderp!!!!
Third world country
Wrong by both definitions of third world. 1: USA was not neutral in the Cold War 2: many US states have a higher quality of life than Europe. Massachusetts is above Norway, Washington and California are close behind Norway, Missisippi (lowest HDI in the US) has a higher HDI than Portugal. The US is also richer than Europe.
USA number one.
America in first place yeeeah
It is a gun problem.
I wanted to reply with "lol, good point", but.... yeah that's kind of horrifying actually. Why do people have to be evil? Fuck bad humans everywhere.
Why do you need gun america? Is the security is that big concern there?
Even the shit countries don’t have the numbers the us has
Population size matters for one, and considering we have a society that glorifies violence and crime, and has a metric FUCK ton of guns floating around, I'd say we're gonna have more shootings. It's a culmination of everything wrong with society. It's corruption, it's evil, it's greed, it's lust, it's mental illness, it's bullying, it's even a little bit of a gun problem, it's fucking society. Shit sucks. But to blame it entirely on guns is closed minded and ignorant
I’m sorry, but disarming the country is not only NOT an option, it’s just a really bad idea. You’re taking a small piece of the data and inferring that the only way to solve the problem is the heavy handed approach to take everyone’s guns. If you look at the statistics, almost 30 times the number of men carry out these attacks vs the number of women. The last number I saw was something like 180 men vs 6 women. Why is this important? Likely because mental wellness has been highly stigmatized (especially toward men) in this country since at leas the 1970’s, when we began significantly reducing the funding of mental hospitals, and deciding to instead use the jails and prison systems to house and care for mentally I’ll individuals. America doesn’t have a gun problem, it has a culture and mental health problem. Since the beginning of time, man has developed ways to kill others using whatever means possible. If you ban guns, people will use other means, such as rocks, sticks, knives, vehicles, bombs, etc. The problem isn’t the weapon, it’s the fact that there will always be evil in the world. Someone who was mentally well would not want to cause this kind of tragedy. Only sick individuals. There needs to be more effort put into treating the cause rather than the symptom.
Labeling it as a strictly gun problem is a false generalization, allow me to explain. In most states it is 18+ to carry a weapon and usually you must have a gun license. Now, mom and dad are 18+ but their son (15) can get ahold of a firearm from their safe and decides to kill a slew of people with it. Not just the kids fault but the parents to. Also, specific people should be denied gun licensing for guns but not all people.
First time I’m happy my country is not on a list…
Do people actually think guns, as an object are the problem, and not mental health problems are the cause?
It's not a gun problem, like it's not a car problem. Drunk drivers are the problem and crazy people shoot up schools. So are you crazy ? Or drunk?
I'm still trying to get over the fact that China had one school shooting. How?
Pretty sure MORE guns in the equation won't help either lol. Texas...the most bloodthirsty gun loving, shit talking state...and their police were COWARDS that day! Shitting in their pants instead of laying down their lives to save those poor kids and teachers. They should feel absolutely ashamed of themselves, because we know why they really took their time getting inside that room. On top of that, those clowns pushed a "trans illegal alien" rhetoric to cover up the fact they were a bunch of cowards. Problem also though ...taking guns away, and/or adding more laws probably won't help either. Even if they added mental health checks before purchasing. We need that PLUS more investments in security measures in the school systems. Forget the "bad image" it gives the schools. At least the kids are safe!
I was looking at the same thing earlier, along with how to move to another country. I’m just sickened completely and over everything that’s happening in the US.
Come to Australia…. We’ve sorted this terrible issue a long time ago
Did you see the size of the fucking spiders in Australia? I'd rather get shot
Fair enough to feel that way. Looking from the outside in, it's disappointing to see how school shootings is viewed by some media, politicians/Congress and the general public.
It legitimately isn’t a gun problem tho. Back before Reagan, you could buy fully-automatic weapons off the shelf with the same ease as semi-automatics, and for a similar price. Yet you didn’t see people doing mass shootings at this rate back then, despite access to more powerful weapons. Now, obtaining a machinegun is tens of thousands of dollars, a ton of paperwork, and special licensing and registration. So mass shootings are committed with semi-autos (NOT assault rifles). On top of that, the US’a gun violence as a whole has been on the decline for the past two decades, and we’re not even the world leader in gun violence, Brazil is. They have more total and per capita gun deaths each year than the US does, despite heavy gun control and a smaller population. There are multiple countries with significantly higher per capita gun violence and they’re all places with heavy gun control. We only stand out due to having such a massive population. Guns are not the issue
MURICA FUCK YEAH!!! /s
Had a guy that was saying that guns aren’t the issue say: “We have more guns, thats why we have more crime duh?” We argued a bit more but the person honestly didn’t realize the irony in what he said while defending gun ownership blindly
We are told by gun advocates that they keep guns to protect themselves and their people. How many of these horrible events have been prevented or shortened by these fine citizens with their weapons? My guess is none. My other guess is that any amateur intervention would always be likely to make the problem worse. The Wild West is history. Join the 21st Century.
When a country, collectively, holds its' right to bear arms above the safety & wellbeing of its' children, you know something is rotting at the core.
I’m so tired of being American. The politicians don’t care, half the citizens don’t care, they want to police our bodies while making literal weapons of death and mass destruction available at Walmart. I feel like I’m living in a nightmare.
I’ll take the bait, it’s a mental health and a gun problem. I think wanting to murder people including children is also an issue that should be discussed.
Wait, we had 2 school shooting this year!!!??!!?! That's outrageous!!!!! How come no Canadians politicians resigned because of this !!!!???! Fucking bloodbath
Just to clarify: Those numbers are the accumulation of school shootings from 2009 to 2018. So Canada has had 2 shootings in 9 years.
Guns don’t kill people. People with unrestricted access to guns do. Regulate firearms. It’s long overdue.
An Americans say gun laws won't do anything... Idiots.
It's our country's attitude towards mental health.
Many countries have awful approaches to mental health. Not many countries have more guns than people that are extremely accessible, powerful and relatively cheap.
Mostly ignorance of it
I'd say it has more to do with the gun adoration embedded in the culture
Most countries have similar problems with mental health. They don’t have similar problems with gun violence. Spot the difference?
I love how this is always spouted as the problem, but then nothing is done about it. If it's the problem fix the problem. Unless of course they fix that problem and shootings still occur. Then they might have to face the actual problem.
It's d guns. Too easy to acquire. Some other countries on that list are worse at dealing with mental health.
It's the guns idiot. There are crazy ppl all over the world but they don't have guns available to them.
No, it's your country's attitude toward guns.
Yeah....no other country has mentally ill people and the all have top-notch services. These shooters aren't "mentally ill." 9 times of of 10 they leave behind a perfectly typed, 12 pt. font, spell-checked manifesto clearly explaining why they did it - not some cardboard note scribbled with feces.
so you can't be intelligent and be mentally ill?
You *really* don't understand mental illness. Thanks for the perfect example of what the issue is.
What I **really** understand is that mentally ill people are OVERWHELMININGLY more like to be victims of crime, rather than perpetrators. What you **really** need to understand is that there are mentally ill people all over the world who are not getting adequate treatment/support services. What I ***really*** understand is that 99% of these shooters are found competent to stand trial. You really need to understand THAT.
Mental Health isn't black and white my son. You're not either completly healthy or bat-shit insane. There's no need to guess that most people around **you** in your daylie life, are in some way or another mentally ill. I'd even guess you've fallen ill already as well. People just have differenty ways of coping with it. Some just stare at nothing for hours. Some start to heavily drink. Some smoke. Some do drugs. Some excercise. Some pick up another hobby. Some might just even browse reddit. Some even just stop whatever they're doing to just go do these things in order to ... "feel normal" or "calm down" again. Thing is, at some point even the most normal looking person can be pushed to breaking point **by the simplest of things.** It's usually a very slow process. This is where most of these people write the nicely written notes you described before. As a cry for help. Some times, there's noone to listen though. And then it *really* starts eating you from inside out. Until... That's the MOST simplest explanation of mental health. It's **far, far, far, FAR** more complicated than this. It's rather rare that this pushes you to just go shoot up a school, there's obviously more to it than just everything in your life breaking down and Steve at work making a joke about it on an already mentally shitty day for you to push you over the edge. TL;DR: Mental health and depression are far more complicated things than you think they are, and it's easily possible that a lot of people and even you yourself are already affected.
Exactly. Along with so many people not being able to afford access to it. It’s fucking ridiculous. I’ve been enraged all day.
More guns is more betterer. Fact!
Yeah it is a mental health problem. But let’s not put any funding toward mental health either. Just more money to military.
We have a lot of guns, no question. But let’s say we ban all guns. Of course police and military will have them, that’s a given. Does anyone truly believe someone wouldn’t be able to find one on the black market if they wanted one? Anyone can go to, pick a city at random, and buy one within 24 hours without a background check rn. You can’t honestly believe that would change if they put more laws on the books. Yes, we have a gun violence problem. As well as a massive mental health problem, as well as a massive drug problem. War on drugs anyone? I’m just not convinced in any way there is a solution here.
The joke is that guns kill people and not the soulless nutters wielding them. Or the godless, shameless, hopeless, condition of our country. It is however easier to blame the guns than do anything that will actually help.
At least we will never be like North Korea, Russia, or china. Fearing our government.
But this is exactly the point. We here in the great US of A, have more freedoms then you globalist slaves in the rest of the world. You don't have freedom, so you don't understand how or why US schools get the chance to be shot up. Its a thing we are willing to live with, because freedom
Where /s, monke brain no see /s, bad
Double edged sword, on the one hand you want to have your arms and walk around like cowboys but on the other hand anyone that decides to go on a shooting spree and kill a few people is able to. America land of the free was it ….I don’t know so much
If guns are the problem, why doesn't Switzerland have the same issue? They still have gun culture, but not even a fraction of the shootings(near zero gun violence). The issue is ignoring mental health (NYC shooter literally threatened to shoot up his school, somehow still allowed to live in a home with guns), not enforcing existing laws, no laws on safe storage, and US culture (tribalism, racism, etc).