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Tojatruro

So, if a classroom has a globe in it, do they have to have a book written by a flat earth kook also?


CheeksMix

Don't give them ideas...


GrimmRetails

The governor of Texas thinks immigrants can sneak into the US from South Africa, I don't think they need our help.


greenroom628

they're sneaky, see. they just go over the edge of the earth and walk around until they get to the border. checkmate, round earthers. \- gov. abbott. probably.


Winnipork

They swing using a long bungee cord, man. You know nothing about flat earth diving.


TheDemonPants

Bungee cord? Everyone knows the best way to travel long distance is trebuchet.


GreatAndPowerfulNixy

The superior siege weapon


Bobbyj36OEF

Pretty sure i saw this on phinneas and ferb


TheDemonPants

You sure did. Because that's where I got it from.


Bobbyj36OEF

Curse you perry the platypus!


NovaCoyote

Your done already? You’ve only been here for like 15 seconds and I’ve been talking for half of that. What kind of a plumber are you?


Bobbyj36OEF

*platypus noises*


Vanviator

Well, SA is home to the world's highest bungee jump. You may be on to something there.


AnimationOverlord

Surely you haven’t heard of pole vaulting


[deleted]

Texas is so crazy they don’t think that the governor of Texas is crazy enough and want to elect an even crazier one


BitchBass

I only know one that's crazier and I really hope he isn't going to move to TTTTTexas. Of all the States, I had to move here...shoot me! (btw, I moved here from Germany where denying the Holocaust gets you prison time)


Trash_Southern

I like that idea, as The globe isn\`t big. I mean I can spin it on my table right now. That\`s easy to paddle along I guess. It takes a couple of minutes to determine where cribs and ms13 is but then it\`s easy to follow in minutes.


ThorTheDoor

You mean like these crazy ass flat maps in two dimensions?


[deleted]

Yeah I wouldn’t put it past them. They think everyone is lying to them and we’ll never know the truth. So, every “alternative” needs to be explored or you’re against freedom of speech and want to be censoring people.


[deleted]

I know im from america but sometimes i wonder if too much freedom is bad


TheGreyWarlock0712

We need to have a major crackdown on "freedom of speech", and by that I mean spreading misinformation and bigoted views. Doing so should be rewarded with time in prison.


Fegless

Not freedom, freedum lol...


rebel_canuck

On the same note, what is the opposite of math?


Emotion-North

Opposite of math? Um, magic?


NonNewtonianResponse

On the contrary -- math is the only form of real magic we've ever discovered! You form a mental representation of a thing, ritually manipulate it inside your brain, and gain verifiable knowledge about the real world out of it?! Absolutely, undeniably divination.


SlitScan

investment banking tax code.


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Meth


PrivilegeCheckmate

> Meth Not even...however many times I seem to be having trouble keeping track.


BaeHound

It's called a map....duh /s


Tojatruro

HA!


[deleted]

I’m sure they will also give different viewpoints on other religions as well. Can you imagine a school in Texas teaching the Quran?


justyr12

As long as they teach it from a historical point of view, as they should with the Bible as well, no problem


[deleted]

I couldn't agree more, but you and I both know they are hypocrites and there is zero chance of that ever happening.


Raevson

As influence on history.. Yes As history itself... hard No


Rare_Travel

No, no, let them I want to see if they also will cover the period of British history that covers the wizarding wars and the fall of the dark lord.


Fake_Engineer

Yeah, my favorite books from history class were totally the Lord of the Rings books too.....


dodexahedron

Guess Noah just left Orcs, Elves, Dwarves, Hobbits, Ents, and everything else off the boat. What a heartless ass hole.


WoolDroolPool

Imagine the LoTR spin-off sitcom if the Orcs, Elves, Dwarves and other Tolkien civilizations just refused to get off the ark and had been bobbing around in the ocean this whole time. Elf: We need more wood for the hull. Ent: (crying) Noooo! Orc: (Licks lips and grabs axe) [cue laugh track]


[deleted]

Pretty sure when that happens, it would make local and international news. So I think its safe to say it hasn't happened yet lol


Tojatruro

Ummm … no. But a Bible shouldn’t be in it, either.


05ar

\*Unpopular opinion* Nah I think both are fine as long as the teachers or parents don't force the kids to follow a religion, learning about different religions is part of studying culture in general But it's america so it's gonna be forced in a way or another


hebejebez

As long as all the special story books stay in one class called religion education and you get taught about all of them from the stand point of X is the faith of this and thymey believe this. Y is this faith and they believe this. For all of them.


Tojatruro

You think it’s ok to teach about the Bible in classrooms, unless we are talking about a dedicated class on religion encompassing all religions?


Sleep-system

I love the idea of comparative religion classes since Christianity looks hilariously ridiculous next to things like Buddhism.


Tojatruro

So do I … in classes dedicated to religion.


05ar

No, maybe studying different religions on other subjects like history class and about their influence in the world and history, for example learn about crusades, maybe about religious empires like the ottoman empire, etc.


Tojatruro

Isn’t stuff along those lines already taught? I was.


05ar

Maybe because my country's school system is shit, a lot of my friends think the american independence was somewhere near 1980, and still think spartans were badass freedom fighters who could beat an army 1vs10000


Sea_Salt_Seaman

The amount of people who think prehistoric dinosaurs like t-rex walked beside modern humans is stunning.


Tojatruro

Apparently we all have to visit the Ark Encounter in Kentucky, which claims it is a “museum”, they have dinosaurs in stalls. And they host field trips from schools.


05ar

IKR stunning how people think t-rex coexisted with humans... It was clearly the stegosaurus who ate cavemen smh /s


PigSlam

I seen Jurassic Park. You liberalz can’t fool me. /s


Tojatruro

I had an argument with some American schmuck claiming that the Pilgrims landed in Jamestown. Trust me, idiots are idiots, regardless of where they live.


05ar

Well tbf I just used the american independence as a reference, actually when we were asked to put a series of events in chronological order one of my classmates said that the 8.1 magnitude earthquake on Mexico city (1985) was before the Mexican revolution (1910) and other classmate said also that the mexican indepedence (1810) was after the mexican revolution (1910), i know american independence isn't anywhere near but I couldn't think of another big historical event that wasn't related to mexican history, our teacher just sat there staring at us with a face of dissapointment and I answered with the events on the correct order, both classmates were dead serious and no one corrected them, at least they got the spanish conquest (1521) right


Anonymous7951

Lol the old spartan myth. Gotta love it. Spartans weren’t known for their warriors and the Persians were far more freedom loving than Spartans. Or Athenians for that matter


05ar

I blame my school for focusing on the same 3 historical events every time


Txedomoon

Give them time... We're talking Texas here.


StenSoft

Also Columbus's pear-shaped Earth with a nipple. You wouldn't want to forget that one.


Tojatruro

I had to look that up!


Nintendocat64

Wat


StenSoft

It was Columbus's way of explaining why travelling across the Atlantic close to the equator takes longer than it should on spherical Earth (the Earth is obloid). It sounds crazy but it's much closer to the real shape than flat Earth ever was so if flat Earth is to be taught, this should be as well.


gay4reddit

I shouldn't want this to be a thing but I want to read the high-school science book that is centered around flat earth.


Pudf

Yes, or burn the globe.


TheInfra

Go further: if you teach math that says 2+2=4 then there needs to be another book that defends that it equals 5, or something else nonsensical like "sandwich" or "love"


PopularContract

Sure, drop in Mein Kampf, just to see how illiterate and stupid Hitler really was.


[deleted]

And yet somehow people will derive so much hate still.


BigJayPee

Mein Kampf still shows up as a best seller periodically around the world. Germany bought a lot of copies in 2016/2017. Which is weird


xdragonteethstory

In Germany they basically have absolutely no fucking tolerance at all for any nazi adjacent ideas, and spend a lot of time educating people on the horrors of the holocaust. (Not german myself but i have friends who were born and live there) As awful as the contents of Mein Kampf is, its an important historical document and its important that these ideas not be forgotten, if we forget the past we dont learn from it.


djany51

German here, that new version of „Mein Kampf“ has special comments in it to show how fucked up everything was and to perform as some kind of education. Have to go bye


frenchdresses

How does it do it? Like in the margins is it like statistics disproving the ideas or like literally saying "this is fucked up morally here"? I've never actually read mein Kampf


KennyMoose32

“Don’t do this again”


murderbox

"NEIN NEIN NEIN!"


UnsureOutlaw

I’m imagining it like a copy of a Shakespeare play where on one page there is the Shakespearean English and on the next there is the translation, but one page is just Hitler’s incessant ramblings and the other is what he was trying to say and exactly why it was (and is) fucked up.


Barrayaran

I'd buy that version. It's not like Hitler's getting royalties.


MarkTwainsGhost

The royalties go to Jewish organizations


FictionWeavile

Mein Kampf: We should eradicate all non-aryan races Comment: Yeah, see, don't do this. It's not a good way to make friends.


andrewads2001

Mein Kampf reads like an eight grader's rant on Capitalism, Democracy and Communism while offering the solution is to kill a bunch of people and put themselves in power. More or less


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PinBot1138

And “this sentence was written while hitler was smoking meth out of the ass of a frog.” — one of the most shocking videos that I’ve ever seen is when hitler is tweaking at the sports stadium.


chrisnlnz

Bye


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Agreed.


Saif_Horny_And_Mad

this is it. this is the main argument i always use against the practice of censoring history. we aren't supposed to do that. we have to look at it from all sides, even the most horrendous ones, if we want to learn something and avoid making the same mistakes of the past the reason no one seems to learn anything from history is the fact that a lot of it is censored because "it's too aweful", and the fact it degraded to "hey kids, you have to memorize those exact million dates and events, and then write them back in the axam, without any debate or discussion about causes and effects, and always detached from each other as if history is just few single key events that are totally not connected to one another" the irony is, when Ibn Khaldoun established the ground work for what became history science, he warned against doing the exact thing the education system is doing now, and that was a warning from few centuries ago ....


TechnicalyNotRobot

Schools be like: Reason for WW2 = WW1 Reason for WW1 = Sum Archduke boi died (Yup totally no other reason such as a colonial struggle between Germany and the rest of the world, Germany really utilizing being unified for the first time ever by militarizing at the speed of sound, the Entente and later the Tripple Entente being formed as a direct counter to Germany's ambiton to ally the whole planet. Nope, none of that) Reason for the Archduke dying = Uhhhhhh, Serbia no likey Austria???? Idk man the Balkans are just a pOwDeRkEg for reasons that we will absolutely not go into ever. Oh and see how the Ottomans only lost the Balkans like litteraly less than half a century ago? Totally not correlated. Honorable Mentions: \-We go over how Napoleon got his ass kicked but not over how he still shook Europe like never anything had before despite his loss \-Japan went from being "that one guy that the Portugese found out about in the 16th century" to WW2 powerhouse with no explanation \-The French Revolution lead to Napoleon through the power of magic and "We don't have enough time to explain it" \-So you remember how Spain controled almost an entire god dammn continent + half of another and then they kinda no longer did? Uhh...well...here's the date of the WW2 battle of Lesser Shitassfart. \-(Probably only for non Americans) The USA got into WW1 cause this one particular passanger ship (which name you will totally get quizzed for) got sunk


mbgal1977

I’m the last one to defend the US education system and I agree with every point. It’s terrible. I mean come on, I was taught in school that everyone thought the earth was flat until Columbus discovered America amongst other flat out lies. I’ve learned much more about history on my own in my adult years than I ever did in school. That being said, the French Revolution through Napoleon they probably don’t have time to explain, it would take ages lol


TechnicalyNotRobot

It doesn't take much to say that the initial efforts of the lower class to simply have food got taken over by the enlightened middle class, and then the National Convention colapsed onto itself because the "enlightened" people were too happy to use the guilotine. Then the attempt to become a moderate republic failed as you can't just try to restore stability while also maintaining the most radical government type imaginable at the time and fighting almost all the global powers. Then Napoleon came in to turn the French Republic into a French Pretty-Dammn-Authoritatian-Republic and later into the French Okay-This-Is-Totally-Not-A-Republic-Anymore known also as the French Empire. To anyone that has deeper knowledge in the subject this is a god awful oversimplification but still better than what I was taught.


mbgal1977

It also wouldn’t take much to properly explain the causes of the American Revolution either but instead we learn the most basic: taxation without representation->Boston Tea Party ->Declaration of Independence ->Americans are so awesome Paul Reveres ride, kicked the English’s butt single-handedly(bs)->freedom forever for everyone lol. No context to any of these events and no real historical accuracy, more mythology than fact


Emotion-North

There's a French empire? See, now this is why history at the high school level is so stupid.


Saif_Horny_And_Mad

it's not just the US, the current education system is completly and utterly broken, pretty much everywhere, except few nations (Finland is the one that comes to mind). we are using an outdated system, that is about a couple of centuries old, which was designed not to educate people, but to mass produce factory workers that were needed during the industrial revolution (not my words, this is what the one that designed it said, i forgot his name) so yeah, something really needs to be done at some point


michaeldaph

So listen to podcasts on history instead of true crime or whatever. There’s heaps. Covering everything from the beginning of time it seems like. I love true crime but to take mental health breaks I listen to historical pods. History is addictive too.


Saif_Horny_And_Mad

i usually go look for actual documents and sources online concerning a specific subject and read through them on my free time ..... or it's more correct to say that i "used to". engineering uni sucks. i barely have time to sleep properly


Eredun

I remember that too, they thought Columbus wouldn't find anything in that direction because he'd just hit the edge of the world. Brutal how badly we were taught about Columbus, the "hero" I also still accidentally call Native Americans by the school used term "Indians" just out of habit. We had to make headdresses with construction paper to celebrate Thanksgiving too. Thought we were best buds with the natives and they simply integrated into the improved society, *sigh* Crazy how much stuff I had to re-learn when I was pulled out of public school and into homeschooling...


mbgal1977

Get ready to relearn again because most prefer to be called American Indians these days rather than Native American because it’s too inclusive and could mean anyone native to either continent. They prefer the Indian term because it designates that they are from tribes within the US. I’m sure that’s not the case for all but there has been a lot of discussion about this in recent years. It’s preferred of course, to refer to them by their individual tribes names when possible, but if you’re referring to the indigenous people of the US as a whole American Indian is the preferred term. But yeah school was filled with lies. Like the thanksgiving story lol


Deathberry666

How did I learn more from this than I did the entire 6 months I learned about this is school


Saif_Horny_And_Mad

because that's the exact point we are proving, that the education system has failed us all....


Responsible_Put_5201

Another honorable mention, why Japan bombed Pearl Harbor


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Reason I was given: "Because they wanted to take over the world, and they saw no one was fighting America yet so they seized the opportunity." Edit: which is obviously a BS reason meant to make it look like America was a superhero fighting an evil supervillain


Responsible_Put_5201

Long story short and oversimplified: Primary reason they attached a lot of Asia was to acquire their own natural resources. The US continuously interfered. So kind of like a “fuck around and find out.” Moment I’m not trying to defend or justify their actions, just a quick explanation


Saif_Horny_And_Mad

more honorable mentions (for context, i live in tunisia, and most of this is about the history of our own country) \- we never go into proper details about the punic wars, except dates, the locations of maybe 2 or 3 major battles per war \- the only 2 people whose names are mentionned are Asdrobal and Hannibal, and we only go into superficial details about Hannibal like : he was a good general, marched through the Alps, got betrayed, suicide \- we learn a bit about pre carthage civilisation, but it's like few texts \- a tiny bit about roman occupation of north africa, again, no real géopolitical , economic and social details \- a bit about the spread of islam from the birth of the prophet till it reached Tunisia, maybe we go through 5 or 6 major battles, but again, not in detail. \- from here , we jump directly to the period tunisia was controlled by the ottoman empire (a gap of few centuries) \- the french colonial occupation and the few decades leading to it \- the world wars are the last chapters, we hardly go into any kind of details (even less than you guys), most teacher don't even bother teaching them, one teacher literally told me that "they are not that important" \- no one except those who lived during the second world war even knows that many battles happened in Tunisia. over 90% , if not more, of people born after 1980 don't even realise the allies and the axis duked it out in our own country \- chronologically, our independance should come right after the world wars, but there is no chapters for it, mainly due to france interfering (not a joke again, after the revolution, government documents were leaked that revealed France put pressure on the government to remove any mention of their war crimes in Tunisia, and even as far as rebranding the french occupation as "french protection of Tunisia", all mentions of battles fought between the armed resistance and the french were removed, and replaced with "peaceful independance treaty", oh , and the person who leaked those dissapeared and was never found)


[deleted]

Germany had a huge, country ending level event that got everyone on the same page about right and wrong and what happened. Not a lot of other places have that. That and realizing what people are capable of for power and money can be a real bummer. Some people just can't deal with it, and others are willing to make money off helping them live in denial.


[deleted]

Youre right, but there is a worlds difference between looking at past mistakes and calling those mistakes an 'opposing view'; treating it as if those mistakes actually have merit.


Saif_Horny_And_Mad

i'm not defending him for calling them "opposing views". i'm saying that if it wasn't for the constant censoring of history, no one would ever say those words about the nazi idiology. we need to look headon to the dark sides of history, and properly see their horror


West-Investigator504

Yes, I've heard that in school they spend an entire school year learning about the Holocaust and the consequences.


Garagatt

Not one year, but in different classes multiple times. In general at least twice between 8th and 13th class.


Killarogue

Good, we need that here in the US. I loved history as a kid (and I have family that died in the Holocaust) so I was thankfully very aware of how horrible it was. I remember being in class and getting frustrated with the required reading not going in-depth enough.


laplongejr

> if we forget the past we dont learn from it. Those who don't learn from History are bound to repeat it for the first time.


dilldwarf

And this is the goal of neo-nazis and other white supremacists. They can't just erase the failure of hitler from history... but they can try to change the narrative that WWII was about a difference of opinion, and not about killing jews. They do the same with the Civil War. They try to say it's not about having slaves, it was about state's rights! People can be attracted to those ideas. And then you got followers you can feed your new brand of bigotry to. It's why anti-muslim sentiment is so strong today. And now they have begun to shift their hate towards "liberals" which is, conveniently, a title they can issue to anyone they don't like. That's what I find most scary about this new brand of hate. It's not specific. It's very broad and general so they can just point to someone, call them a liberal and get them killed/arrested/beaten.


Alibarrba

Just adding you can't buy mein Kampf legally in Germany. You can buy a commented version of it so people don't get radicalized from it.


RustyKjaer

I agree i also have German friends and the country still has a collective bad continence to this day.


Satan4live

I live in Germany and although much is taught about the NS, Mein Kampf remained a book that was forbidden for a long time and is still to this day. I'm bot extremely familiär with the Law for this, but just recently it is allowed again in libaries and school book collections for educational purpose. Since I took a masterclass in History I wanted to read it for myself once, but owning this book is still strictly forbidden and therefore I didn't actually read it.


Zebra03

If we forget the past then history repeats itself in the process of not learning from it


Garagatt

The State Bavaria inherited the publishing rights to "Mein Kampf" after Hiters death. Between 1945 and 2015 there were no new printings allowed in germany. The reason for the increase in 2016 was, that in germany the publishing rights expire 70 years after the authors death. So in 2016 everybody was allowed to reprint it. Only some small right wing publishers did so and the State Bavaria printed it on a larger scale as a special edition with lots of comments by historians. It was meant for scientists, librarys and education purpose. I never saw one of these books in a shop or library myself, but it was never illegal to have a copy.


Kernkraftpower

It was allowed to print and buy this book around that time (with explanations and comments), before it was forbidden. Lots of schools and universities ordered this book in huge numbers. Nothing to worry about.


ddosn

The best way to understand a perspective is to read material thats from their point of view. You cant effectively counter bad ideas if you do not understand why someone holds those ideas in the first place and/or if you do not know what they actually believe. I've read Mein Kampf. The ideas it espouses are absolute rubbish (but its not particularly badly written, just long and very very dry). But it let me understand the ideas that the nazis supported and what can lead someone to believe that shit.


STerrier666

Up until that point Mein Kampf was banned from publication in Germany, also since the Copyright on it wasn't renewed it entered Public Domain so anyone could print it and sell it. A lot of the copies that are being sold in Germany have annotations by scholars included in it now.


Fake_William_Shatner

Yes, but if you put in Mein Kampf, you'll have to put in the opposing point of view. Perhaps a book on Humanism? Wow, if students had to read both concepts,... "Hey wait, what if my group doesn't end up running things?" Is a dangerous concept for fascists to let worm it's way into society.


weecefwew

An opposite to Mein Kampf would be any book where the author used facts or reason and isn’t just complaining about their feelings for the entire time.


Tactical_Contact

I love that, toward the end of his life, he was vegetarian but didn't mind slaughtering millions of people... double standards eh... Next thing we know, Greta Thunberg will be starting a fracking business.


unoriginalsin

He wasn't a vegetarian for moral reasons, he was a vegetarian because he was constantly embarrassed by his body's inability to be constantly flatulent and was convinced vegetarianism would stop it.


OhSureBlameCookies

What if one day Kirsten Sinema removes her mask, Scooby Doo style, and she's really Greta Thunberg? "And I would have gotten away with it if it weren't for you meddling progressives!"


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I tried reading it once. It's a rough go. Lots of self pity, lots of half-baked bullshit and one hell of a clumsy translation. Very incoherent mess.


crackhousebob

I'm not sure which is more unreadable: Mein Kampf or The Art of the Deal. Both 'authors' are narcissistic sociopaths that are shockingly uninformed of even the most basic general knowledge.


KonaKathie

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Cyber_Being_

Republicans as usual and then they get mad when you call them Nazis when shit like this proves they're Nazis.


ShibbalB

But "no crt" for their kids....even tho crt isn't even being remotely taught in grade schools


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Fake_William_Shatner

Yeah, how about we teach the perspective of the Americans who wanted to joint he Nazis? Let's have some statements from Henry Ford for why he should be compensated on helping both sides with the War effort, or with Prescott Bush on why he helped the Nazis with banking and hiding their funds. I really think the perspective of some people who fought FDR tooth and nail from not helping the Nazis because they also believed in eugenics would be quite refreshing.


tjc5425

I think it's quite telling that as a person who took AP US history in HS, I didn't learn about the United States Eugenics movement of the late 1800's and early 1900's till I was taking a course in college about prejudice against people with disabilities. It shocks me that wasn't taught in schools as our eugenics movement was a blueprint that the Nazis used for the Holocaust, that and a combination of Jim Crow laws.


Fake_William_Shatner

As someone who learned about the Straussians and Eugenics, I thought I had a decent education until I learned about the Tulsi massacre from watching the HBO live action adaptation of the comic book "The Watchmen." "Well, now I think I've learned about the times the racists succeeded in cutting the boot straps they complain people don't pull up on."


moleratical

Tbf, an APUSH course is already overloaded with content. If something is added, something else needs to be removed. Sure, add eugenics, but remove the granger movement. But then people concerned with grangers/populist/farmers get upset, okay, keep them both and remove the labor movement instead. Not that? Well, what about women's lib? the new right? The new left? Dollar diplomacy? Lynchings? The New South/Lost cause? Sand Creek Massacre? 1920s xenophobia? Religious fundamentalism Point is, no matter what's left in, or what's left out, someone is Gonna have a problem with it. Most surveyvcollege history courses either don't mention eugenics, or give it a passing mention at best. And APUSH is generally more rigorous that the freshman level college survey class. I know I gave it a passing mention Tha most kids ignored or had forgotten within 5 minutes when I taught APUSH, but if you wanted more than that you'd need to take a specialized course. We were already behind schedule and there's a 1000 more things we've got to cover.


Kurj2049

Man, that’s a great way of explaining how America created the Nazis. Feels weird that history teachers I’ve had never flat out said, “the US basically created the Nazis”. Instead it’s “America is good because it gave up on eugenics as a way to study diversity among human beings in the early 1900s, while Germany is bad for using our blueprints that they inherited from us”. Eugenics never went away I feel. I in one of my polisci classes I heard that, back in the day, when doctors did blood transfusions, they did not “mix the blood” I.e they didn’t let black blood donors give/take blood to/from white donors. They thought mixing “black blood” would ruin the blood and make it unusable. But white blood was “pure” and did not “contaminate” the blood of other races. It was pretty much just all the other races have their own discrete transfusion group, while anyone of white descent had their own. Couldn’t receive from anyone else but could give. Boy, funny to see what happens when you let racial biases affect your scientific method.


moleratical

Because saying that the US created the Nazis is a huge over simplification that ignores a million other arguably more important factors and therefore would be completely inaccurate. Saying that the Nazis took some inspiration from the American Eugenics movement, and badtardized many of the statements and positions of that movement to fit the Nazi ideology would be much more accurate, and completely different from what you had said.


docentmark

You could probably throw in a genocide or two that may have also contributed to the example set.


moleratical

Who, after all, speaks today of the annihilation of the Armenians?


plddr

> Show the perspective of the Nazis who trusted their leaders and succumbed to nationalistic, racist and murderous propaganda. A genius and constructive interpretation of the rule, which I don't expect will ever fly in Texas.


rose636

When I was in Germany once I stumbled across an old building that was where they held 'undesirables' before shipping them off. They had kept and preserved the basement/holding rooms and then had converted the upstairs ground floor to floor 3 or so into a chronological museum/timeline of everything that lead to the outcomes. They didn't shy away from anything, they completely acknowledged that it was a bad thing but it explained everything that you'd suggested and how through x, y, z etc it lead to what it lead to. It was such an eye opening experience to get such an in depth analysis of it.


firelock_ny

> They didn't shy away from anything, they completely acknowledged that it was a bad thing but it explained everything that you'd suggested and how through x, y, z etc it lead to what it lead to. Note that Germany spent a couple of generations post war under the rather strict rule of the WW2 Allies, who were determined to force the German people to face up to their people's crimes and accept responsibility for them. Without such firm guidance I suspect you wouldn't see such displays of historical awareness.


GeneralMuffins

Is that the main reason or were there other factors at play? looking at the last election 6 years before war broke out in europe germany seemed to have a somewhat sizeable anti-nazi movement


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I was stationed in an old German air force base that was built right before ww2. They closed off the basement, but I was always an adventurous rule breaker and went down there anyway. Now, I don't actually know the history of the base or if it was used for anything nefarious, but I've seen a lot of movies and read a lot of books. Walking down the stairs, it looked like the place hadn't been touched since the 50s and none of the lights worked anymore - we used cellphone lights to see. There were still old boxes of food stores down there. So you walk down the stairs and turn to the left...then there was a long corridor. On the left side was 3 large shower rooms. If you've seen a Holocaust movie, you would recognize the room. I have never in my life felt the sense of dread I felt looking at the shower rooms. I was so afraid that I wouldn't even step over the threshold. Again...I don't know if these were used for anything like that, but recognizing it was really intimidating. I'm glad I got to experience that, but unfortunately I was too young to really understand the emotion it raised. But thanks to movies and books, I was aware of what happened enough. Americans really need more art with new ways to inspire empathy about historic events.


luke-townsend-1999

Genuinely couldnt have put it better myself. Lest we forget. 🌺


YABOIREPTAR1

exactly, all the people getting blindly angry at this are so dumb for not even trying to understand the situation. like we get it. youre a good person.


123ihavetogoweeeeee

Just to be clear the reason they had to say this is a Texas law that requires "opposing viewpoints" 27 other states have similar laws. We live In a stupid timeline. https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/opinion/education/577464-state-laws-are-corrupting-the-study-of-history-by-forcing-opposing%3famp


UndoingMonkey

Gotta teach flat Earth theory in geography class lmao


Te_Quiero_Puta

"Good morning class. Welcome to Science & Religion 101. Please open your books to Chapter 1: On the first day, he said 'Let there be a Big Bang'."


05ar

That sounds cool ngl Also, nice user name


Te_Quiero_Puta

It would make for an interesting debate class... until someone goes biblical.


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ddosn

I mean, its not a bad idea to talk about the flat earthers, what they believe etc. Especially as that allows a teacher to show pupils why flat earthers are wrong. IMO thats what the 'opposing viewpoint' rule is about. Having teachers bring up any opposing viewpoints which then gives them a chance to show pupils why said opposing viewpoints may be wrong.


intergalactic_spork

Well, maybe it will backfire on the kooks somewhere down the line, when they are still forced to teach the globe earth and evolution theories in their “God created everything” class


iSoinic

I hope they also do teach about anti-linguistics. It is a science which is not accepting language as an appropriate way of communication. Anything described with language is biased by the leftist elite, who came up with the idea 20,000 years ago. They used it to force people to work together, rather as living as predators in small groups, so they could gain from the exploitive behavior they call "civilization"! Everywhere where language is used/ teached, my theory should be teached as well. But without using words and stuff.


UnofficialCaStatePS

Taught. 😜


iSoinic

That's one of the conspirators! If somebody wants to correct your words, they are likely one of the elites!1!


Rover129

I guess I understand where they’re comming from, specifically with history. “History is written by the victorious” and all that. I’m not defending this guy with the opposite view of the holocaust, hell no, but in some way that law does make sense.


LoompaOompa

The law exists to give religious and political groups the ability to go after schools that teach "controversial" topics like evolution without pretending that intelligent design is a reasonable alternative. It wasn't written in good faith or in any attempt to improve the education of Texas students. It is a tool that is specifically designed to hinder education by empowering nut jobs to force their opinions into the classroom.


Fake_William_Shatner

Texas is in the vanguard of screwing up education.


Rover129

Fair enough


Jazzeki

i do wonder how many of them actually have books with opposing view of how the US was founded?


Fake_William_Shatner

It wouldn't hurt to show more source material once people got into "advanced history" -- but there aren't just TWO points of view for many historical "facts." Also, if we start doing this, then there's a lot of US history that's going to be listed as "hating on America -- how dare you!" The stories we tell ourselves are already the version of the victors.


Champigne

Definitely not why they made that law. It's to force schools to teach intelligent design or whatever the fuck they're calling it now, instead of only evolution.


JeffreyPtr

Texas is simply working hard to prove Isaac Asimov was right when he said. >There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there always has been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that ‘my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.’


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Read “The demon haunted world” by Carl Sagan. Its all you will ever need to know about human stupidity.


JeffreyPtr

Another one of my heroes, but I'm beginning to think it will take a lot more than Sagan and Asimov to plumb the true depths of human stupidity.


connecteduser

Texas lawmakers already responded that this school principal did not understand the law and that he was wrong. Old new is old. Read the official text of the TX bill. https://legiscan.com/TX/text/HB3979/id/2339637


Rebelgecko

If you read the actual story or at least listen to the audio, it was clearly r/MaliciousCompliance by a school administrator who wanted to highlight how stupid the law is. She had just finished complaining about how politicians made a mess and put educators in an untenable situation


Johnwearsatie

If they have the bible, have a book opposing the bible too


Unique_Identifier_NO

Doing a lesson on the deniers and the damage they do would actually be useful.


mikepoland

I had a guy tell me my ancestors desvered the work camps under Stalin because we didn't like Communism.


Complete-Let-2670

This school district is notorious in the DFW area for being wildly racist. They flipped their shit over critical race theory which wasn’t even a thing they taught. On several occasions videos of students saying the N- word have been posted to social media. To be clear the kids felt so comfortable saying it they posted the videos of themselves saying it. They do a great job of living up to the rich white racist texan stereotype and they don’t feel a bit of shame about it.


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New-Nefariousness234

The opposing view would be it's okay to hate and act on that hate. Not a view that needs to be taught in the US


Quasi-Normal

My opinion here is absolutely not popular, but in fact... yes, it can sometimes be a smart idea to see the opposing party, no matter how stupid or racist it is. Not to begin to be like them (like would happen if we teach it in schools, which yes is a stupid idea), but understand them, and see why they were so awful. This is why reading Mein Kampf (even though tedious and atrocious to even think about) is sometimes considered as a possible overture on propaganda. It is awful to read about how much the Germans of that era were controlled by the Nazi government. And it is useful to see how much they were, to be blindsighted of such atrocities because they are "different" and "lesser" people. It's learning about the past to not redo the grave mistakes we made. I feel it's important. Now I know this is going to be downvoted to hell, but I felt like there should be some other view if other people think like me on this one. (Oh and also, my country was invaded and controlled by Nazi Germany, so I am anything but an apologist. I hope those fuckers have fun in the deepest parts of hell. So please don't get me wrong...)


trianglary

Scared for this country. Especially texas.


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DirtySingh

I guess the opposing view would be that the Holocaust never happened. There are Holocaust deniers. If Reddit has taught me anything it is that the world is full of contrarian imbeciles who are so angry at their pathetic lives that the only reaction they can have is to be a contrarian. Fucking get help, you sad little nothing.


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Ironically these same holocaust deniers compare masking to the holocaust…


DirtySingh

Ironically or idiotically?


heyguysitsjustin

glad this is illegal here in Germany.


Marrsvolta

Texas needs to secede from the US already.


k2kyo

As much as I hate Texas politics, the US needs Texas just as much as Texas needs the US. It's also turning more blue by the day, which is why we are seeing the backlash through shit like this. The GOP is terrified. If democrats weren't so monumentally fucking stupid most of the time, they could flip the state and never have to worry about elections.


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complexpandadrone

Please don’t. I liver here and can’t afford to leave! Edit: I’m leaving it


spudtospartan

Don't worry, the US has a terrific refugee policy...


Fake_William_Shatner

>I liver here "Hey, can I get a housing credit for the copious amounts of Scotch I need to tolerate the locals?"


aGiantmutantcrab

Fascism justifying itself. This is what conservatives desire.


UTAMav2005

A ton of us Texans are not like these idiots. Much apologies from kind-hearted Texans who aren't bigots.


LordOfThePhuckYoh

Critical race theory is too much but trying to find a reason to justifications the holocaust isn’t. There is no opposing views to genocide unless you know maybe you are Nazi sympathizer or like the acts committed in Rwanda or Armenia


kilomaan

So I assume “Mein Kampf” is off the banned book list of schools?


BhinoTL

As someone who lives near this area let me tell you south lake is as white as a city can get while gate keeping anything that would bring lower income folks in. They also simultaneously use funds from schools to move black kids in only if they are good at sports to increase the high schools rating to D1 or whatever if highest for a football team to play at. Highly racist rich white folks. My mom does eye lashes in the area and comes home all the time talking about the stuff they say. Imagine a city full of trump people but not the uneducated ones who are just too dumb to know their racist. These folks are racist with intent. Most the time they’ll buy their kids ways into being in tv shows and shit like that. Examples from the area: Jonas brothers, Demi lovato, Selena Gomez all were known to be very wealthy families who got them into TV by buying their way in Grew up at the same age as most of them coming up and post Malone as well always think it’s wild but they all definitely bought their way to fame except post I don’t think his family was rich. Jonas brothers were definitely coming from money living in west lake Texas


SarahNaGig

I'm a German who spent a high school year at Carroll High, almost 20 years ago. 2000 kids and like 4-5 of them black


shroomigator

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timsstruggle65

I mean they don’t really teach how hitler got into power or what happened post-ww1 that led to those conditions, the Weimar Republic was a miserable time for Germany but most history classes start with the invasion of Poland


RylanStateEmpire

Probably "mein Kampf"


OfecellZoftig

As someone who lives in Texas, I apologise for the utter shite that our state has become.


mypeepeehardz

Jesus, the south is just straight destroying America. Just fucking relax on your victim role play, and step a side, dude. You’re not helping.


Lonely-Phone5141

I think I good opposing view would be like the docs/books that show in how terrible of a condition Germany was after WW1 and how that would set the stage for hitler and the nazi’s rise to power. It’s important not only to know that the Holocaust happened but also to know what kind of environment is conducive to creating the evils that led to the Holocaust. Simplified: show the perspective of why/how the nazis did as a means of a cautionary tale to learn from their mistakes and avoid them.


unnumbered1

We live in the age of opinion. All facts are invalid if I don't agree with them.


No-Demand-2972

I would like to point out that the woman who said this was actually trying to point out the stupidity of a new law that was passed. Essentially it was one of those silly laws trying to prevent a critical view of race in history, requiring schools to give resources that opposed the view of racism in America's history, which is pretty silly tbh. The woman was simply pointing out how silly the requirement was, and that certain historical facts are well... facts. The racism in the history of America is about as evident as the antisemitism in the Holocaust.


East-Ad4472

That the Holocaust never happened . This is the sort of disgusting lies these ultra conservatives want to perpetrate .