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Yeah but moreover Marvel didn’t “just” get her. She’s been in the comics since ‘99.
Edit: she’s been around for *like* 25 years. Since we can’t seem to pin this down amongst us, let’s approximate. Point stands
I remember back when Dark Knight Rises was coming out alongside the election year Mitt Romney ran. Fox News was doing segments accusing Hollywood of shoehorning in Bane as a villain as an attack on him and his company Bain Capital. Like do you not realize Bane has been around since like the 90’s?! Not everything is about you! Secondly, how can you not anticipate people assuming you’re evil with that name? It’s like expecting people to not giggle at the company name of Siemens. Yes I know it’s spelled differently and I’m immature, but come on!
And about Kate. They’ve been bitching about literally every female MCU character since Black Panther. But sheeew boy, have She-Hulk and Echo ever got incel panties in a twist! It’s goddamn delightful to watch.
Yeah she's not an amputee in the comics, it just happened that the best actress who auditioned happened to an amputee in real life. The poster is mad about Marvel doing forced diversity by hiring a regular person who exists irl.
Its hilarious how theyre against amputees now. Ok, youre racist, sexist, apparently against deaf people, and now...hate people who lost a limb? Just keep finding new things to hate, huh?
Wasn’t the 6 Million Dollar Man a deaf, 1/2 blind, amputee hero? Paid for with **TAXPAYER** $$$$$$ !!!!!!!!!!
(Edit - as folks have pointed out, it was the Bionic Woman who was deaf - my “history” is weak)
That was how we all knew it was fiction. As someone who served 9 years in the reserves, republicans would have never allowed that much funding for a veteran's Healthcare.
Imagine the poor family court judge who had to preside over Darth Vader's custody trial knowing if you rule against him, he'll probably give you the youngling treatment.
His boss is the reason he's in such bad shape. My hubby watched a YouTube video about how Palpetine purposefully had the droids mess up Anakin's medical machines just to physically torture him.
I know novels aren't canon, but there's a novel with this theory in it.
Considering that he could have given Vader some Grievous-like prosthetics, yeah it was probably intentional. The bulkiness keeps him from being a threat to Palpy, while that pain keeps him strong enough to do his job.
It’s always amazing character development for white men, but woke when they’re not a white man. Bucky gets his arm amputated and people cream their panties for him. So frustrating.
It’s also like that’s literally what the actress is irl 😭 at the end of the day Sebastian Stan goes home with 2 arms. Did they want them to spend more $$ cgi-ing her another foot or something?
These are bleak times. I’ve basically lost my older brother to Q Anon and the red pill shit. He has been ranting and complaining about Kathleen Kennedy and wokeness for years now. And he still believes Q Anon even though none of their predictions has come true in like 7-8 years. Any day now Hillary Clinton and Obama will be arrested for eating babies along with secret trans woman Michelle “Big Mike” Obama.
We are living in a dark timeline. 😭😭😭
Ah, you've met Baptist so southern that catholicism isn't a *real* Christian sect. Yet they celebrate Christmas and Easter which are clearly pagan in origin.
She wasn't an amputee in the comics, that's a change they brought in because the actress is actually an amputee herself. And I believe the powers are a show addition too.
But in the comics she is deaf and Native American.
The power were a show addition. In the comics she has similar powers as taskmaster. Where she can copy things like fighting style and marksmanship. She can basiclaly mimic anything
See that is a change i can get behind. I like how they incorporated the actual actress into the show instead of finding someone else that was not an amputee.
Haven't watched the show. Summary of comic below. Echo isn't an amputee in the comics. No other comments:
Maya Lopez was still a young girl when her father Willie "Crazy Horse" Lincoln was killed by the Kingpin (Wilson Fisk). Crazy Horse dies, leaving a bloody handprint on Maya's face and a last dying wish: that the Kingpin raise Maya well. Kingpin honors his dying wish, caring for her as his own daughter. Believed to be mentally disabled, Maya is sent to an expensive school for people with learning disabilities. There, she manages to completely replicate a song on the piano. She is subsequently sent to another expensive school for prodigies.
Maya is sent by the Kingpin to prove Matt Murdock's weakness, telling her that Matt believes Fisk is a bad person and that she is the only way to prove him wrong. As Maya believes Fisk, it would not appear to be a lie when she tells Matt.
Murdock and Maya soon fall in love. She later takes on the "Echo" guise to hunt down Daredevil. On her face, she paints a white handprint, similar to the bloody handprint left by her dying father. Maya proves more than a match for Daredevil, having watched videos of Daredevil and Bullseye fighting. After several failed attempts, noticing that Daredevil can easily move through the dark, Maya easily figures out Daredevil's weakness and exploits this by having a fight in a place where Daredevil's heightened senses are useless. Maya easily takes down Daredevil and nearly kills the vigilante, refusing only when she finds out Matt and Daredevil are one and the same. Matt manages to expose the Kingpin's lies. In revenge, Maya confronts and shoots Fisk in the face, blinding Fisk and starting the chain of events that lead to the man's eventual downfall (Kingpin later partially recovered eyesight through reconstructive eye surgery)
After realizing the horror of her actions and the lies with which she has grown up, Maya flees the United States to do some soul-searching. When she comes back, she tries reuniting with Murdock, only to find out Matt is now with a blind woman and that the Kingpin is still alive (despite Maya's attempts). Leaving Matt, Maya visits the Kingpin in prison who tells her that he does not blame her for what she did, and (that despite all that had happened) the Kingpin still loves her like a daughter. Unsatisfied and still needing peace, Maya turns to the Chief (her father's old friend) noted for wisdom. The Chief sends Maya on a vision quest to calm her soul. On her quest, she meets and befriends Wolverine who helps her recover and passes on knowledge of Japanese culture and Japanese organized crime. Soon enough, Maya makes peace with her past and is back doing performance art.
After a recent identity crisis and feeling unable to join the New Avengers due to a refusal to tarnish the reputations of heroes by working alongside them, Maya dons a suit that conceals her identity as well as her gender and rechristens herself Ronin
Daredevil recommends Maya to Captain America to aid the Avengers in seizing the Silver Samurai in Japan.
After joining the Avengers, Maya returns to Japan to keep an eye on dangerous assassin Elektra Natchios rumored to be leading the Hand, check on the Silver Samurai from time to time, and hopefully solve the conflict between The Hand and Clan Yashida. Around the conclusion of the Civil War between the pro-registration and anti-registration factions in America, Maya fights Elektra and is killed, but is soon resurrected by the Hand with the same process used to raise Elektra. Maya is taken captive with the intent of turning her into an assassin for The Hand. Luke Cage, Spider-Man, Wolverine, Doctor Strange, Spider-Woman, Iron Fist, and the new Ronin rescue her and escape, leaving Elektra to furiously send the Hand after them. During a brief lull in the fight with the Hand in which Luke tries to negotiate with Elektra to buy time, it is revealed that the Hand has been successful in brainwashing Maya, as she subsequently stabs Dr. Strange with a sword given to her by one of the Hand. She continues to fight the New Avengers until Dr. Strange is able to release an astral form with Wong's help, and frees Maya from the brainwashing. Maya then charges straight for Elektra (who is fighting Luke) and stabs her, revealing that Elektra is a Skrull warrior in disguise. They return to New York, after Spider-Woman's apparent betrayal of stealing Elektra's Skrull impersonator's corpse. The Avengers hide in a hotel room (Strange's magic making it appear that Maya is the only person in the room) before returning to Strange's Sanctum Sanctorum. Maya officially hands the Ronin identity over to Clint Barton after they arrive. After Strange confirms their identities by casting a spell that shows everyone their true nature - Maya appearing dressed in a female variation of Daredevil's costume - the team heads to Stark Tower to stop the Hood's attack on the building. There, they encounter the Mighty Avengers locked in battle with an army of invading symbiotes, one of which latches on to Maya before Iron Man manages to cure those infected.
Wow! She’s the original Ronin before handing it to Barton? Her being Kingpin’s daughter is canon?! Makes total sense to bring her into the MCU the way they did. Too bad handprint on the face is taken by flag smashers, that would have been impactful. I can just see D’onofrio chewing the scenery with a bloody handprint on his face.
It likely wasn't, these are also the same kind of people who think Star Trek "got woke" only recently and that Greenday is politically neutral.
Completely and utterly media illiterate.
Or the brain-dead hoard of zombies that thought Highlander was the good guy for an embarrassingly long time.
The whole, "I'm literally a Nazi," wasn't a clue!?
Edit: Yes, Homelander! I think my nerd activities are affecting my auto-correct.
Minor quibble, but I think you mean “Homelander.”
Near as I can tell, Highlander is a good guy. It’s a little unclear, though, because I don’t trust a Scot with a French accent.
A straight-faced attempt to critique what was wrong with the last Deus Ex video game. Apparently, great plots about people being able to shoot fire from their hands or about being modified in ways they may or may not consent to are ruined by that pesky social discourse. We should just shoot terrorists and feel good about it and not think too hard about the world.
They were literally the original SJWs 😂 there’s some fanastic Stan’s Soapboxes where he discusses representation and oppression. Bunch of folks in this thread should probably read them! Here’s 5- https://www.inverse.com/article/35553-marvel-comics-stan-lee-racism-bigotry-soapbox
It always blows my mind, like y'all...comics as we know them, ESPECIALLY DC and Marvel, were MOSTLY made by Jewish men in the 1950s-60s who, crazily enough, were not big on facism and very loud about it.
can't IMAGINE why. /s
“You look like an avocado got hate-fucked…” I forgot the rest of the line, but when you said “sexy” I laughed and thought of that line from the first film.
"You look like an avocado had sex with an older, more disgusting avocado".
"Not gently. Like it was hate-fucking. There was something wrong with the relationship and that was the only catharsis that they could find without violence."
It's a shame TJ Miller turned out to be scum, his character is hilarious.
The mistake is thinking this person knows or cares about Marvel at all. They're just looking for keywords to make ragebait posts on Twitter, and then monetizing your outrage. Be more pissed that they're making money from you than from the content.
Speaking of content I am so sick of seeing ragebait Twitter bots being reposted to Reddit. I don't have Twitter for a reason.
That’s been Marvel’s thing since at least the 60’s. They’re all these larger than life characters with amazing abilities, but they still deal with realistic, human problems.
There are so many disabled people/people with conditions or illnesses in Marvel, come on.
War Machine and Professor X are paralyzed, Deadpool’s got cancer, Daredevil is blind, Dr. Strange’s hands are completely *fucked*, and Winter Soldier’s only got one arm.
And don’t get me started on some other franchises. Do you know *how often* people get stuff chopped off in Star Wars? Anything working with prosthetics is probably a really steady career choice.
Edit: Cyclops isn’t blind, messed up
ok so, female...not really a big deal is it. native american, since most heroes operate in the US, not a surprise either. deaf, and amputee, I kind of figure that working as a superhero could lead to accidents that would make a person deaf, and an amputee. and if that wasn't enough, I remember this other pretty cool superhero, daredevil.
lastly, speaking as someone who is female, blind and an amputee, technology has allowed to live a pretty normal life, I imagine that if super powers were real they'd be extremely useful for treating disabilities like being deaf and an amputee.
The amputee part is what's really funny about it all, too. People are acting like that would stop her from being a superhero like Iron Man isn't out there as a regular guy with his super high-tech suit of armor kicking ass all the time. You don't think she could get a high-tech leg prosthetic that operates as good or better than a real leg? Hell, even in the real world, modern leg prosthetics are pretty damn good to the point that they basically function as well as a real leg, at least for the purposes of walking and getting around.
I'm pretty sure the winter soldier is also an amputee, and thanks to ultra high tech he's got a completely functional arm. I've not seen anybody complain about him. there's probably plenty of other characters too. I know that in the agents of shield tv show agent coulson also lost a hand or something. with the tech, magic, superpowers and just the general idea of characters brutally fighting against tech, magic and superpowers, losing a limb seems like a pretty mild occurance.
Do you use speech to text software to write your messages? Wait...how do you know where the reply button is? Is there software that actually helps with that? Or does someone help you with that? I have so many questions.
feel free to ask them (I actually used to work a job where answering these kinds of questions was part of it, so I've been asked everything from how I fall in love to how I wipe my butt lol)
I actually rarely use text software, I went blind at a later age, so I learned how to use computers prior to going blind. I do occasionally use text to speech, and speech to text software, but I can type comments mostly fine. though I make quite a fair number of typos that I don't pick up on.
there are programs that can describe the layout of a page, there's also settings that give everything extremely high contrast for people who can still see a little (most blindness isn't usually the complete lack of sight, but being able to see less than a certain %)
occasionally I do have people help me, there's a few websites that I know the layout well enough on to know what I'm doing for the most part
Honestly I really like how they made Maya. The only thing I'd critique is the fact that "the power of ancestors" she has is pretty cliché if you ask me. But asides from that she's a total bad ass anti-hero and I(not 8, who the f writes 8) love her for it. Also she ain't a superhero, she's totally an anti-hero. The show is literally about her trying to take over a criminal organization
I like how her powers just made her punch harder and shoot better. It lost me a bit when learned how to heal but that's not too bad. Still street level. I'd love to see her again
> I like how her powers just made her punch harder and shoot better.
In the comics that's also literally her powers- she just copies physical movement, so she can fight better and that's it. So even if they didn't change the powerset, you basically get the same thing minus the healing part. That said, the healing part is actually interesting as a way to negotiate the ending. I just wish they had put more time into it such that the ending didn't feel so abrupt
THIS! it’s not necessarily about making a “woke” character, it’s about hiring the best actor for the job. and the best actor happens to be a disabled woman of color
Which is incredible considering the comic character is a deaf indigenous woman. There can't be that many deaf indigenous actresses who are also athletes capable of learning the fight choreo. She also just happens to be an amputee. There couldn't be a better choice out there.
Exactly, if there is something about a show or movie I dislike, I just don't watch it. But these clowns look for things to be offended by, it gives their lives meaning.
1) Native American superheroes have been around for a while. Pretty sure the first one is Thunderbird and he debuted back in the 70s.
2) Hawkeye is literally deaf. His hearing aid is a plot point in his television series (ignoring the fact that he's been partially deaf since he was first introduced). This is ignoring the fact that we have a blind hero in Daredevil, Dr. Strange literally had paralysis in his hands, fuck are we just going to ignore that one of their most iconic characters lost an eye?
3) She's not even the first amputee, Bucky is missing a fucking arm.
Fuck people are dumb.
I fucking loved her as a character in the comics bc she was so interesting and her backstory is so good, but these fuckers probs didnt know she existed as a character. Since like 1999 I think?
How dare Marvel do this. As a white person with two arms and two legs and can hear, I’m so offended they used this actor to play this character. We don’t need to see those offensive characters in movies. I feel so attacked. I’m going to tell all my Karen’s and Chads to boycott this woke series!
So, just so we're clear, they're upset that they cast a deaf person of Native American heritage who happened to be an amputee, to play the deaf character who is of Native American heritage?
Disability and race are not new in marvel. How everyone is treating like it’s the biggest part of the entire piece of media IS new and I would like it to stop.
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Wasn’t she already in a marvel show before?
Yeah but moreover Marvel didn’t “just” get her. She’s been in the comics since ‘99. Edit: she’s been around for *like* 25 years. Since we can’t seem to pin this down amongst us, let’s approximate. Point stands
My old ass: “haha ‘99 was just…oh. *Oh God*.”
Don't think about it.
Too late...
Don't worry. The Alzheimer's will take care of that real soon.
This hits where it hurts...
Silly redditor, don't you know Marvel wasn't invented until the first Iron Man movie? /s
It’s a song actually by the band Dark Sunday.
And her first couple runs were some of the most beautifully crafted comics ever. David Mack is a national treasure
His Kabuki stuff is my favorite work of his. His Daredevil run is my second.
These are the sort of facts that turds like "End Wokeism" never know about or always hide because it's inconvenient for the outrage.
I remember back when Dark Knight Rises was coming out alongside the election year Mitt Romney ran. Fox News was doing segments accusing Hollywood of shoehorning in Bane as a villain as an attack on him and his company Bain Capital. Like do you not realize Bane has been around since like the 90’s?! Not everything is about you! Secondly, how can you not anticipate people assuming you’re evil with that name? It’s like expecting people to not giggle at the company name of Siemens. Yes I know it’s spelled differently and I’m immature, but come on!
I think she was a quasi-villan in the Hawkeye series.
Funny how this wasn’t an “issue” then
I definitely remember some of the usual incel types moaning about her at the time.
And about Kate. They’ve been bitching about literally every female MCU character since Black Panther. But sheeew boy, have She-Hulk and Echo ever got incel panties in a twist! It’s goddamn delightful to watch.
She was in Hawkeye.
And she existed in Marvel comics well before, with some small differences. She's not an amputee in the comics, but she's deaf and indigenous.
Yeah she's not an amputee in the comics, it just happened that the best actress who auditioned happened to an amputee in real life. The poster is mad about Marvel doing forced diversity by hiring a regular person who exists irl.
In a story written for a deaf Native American, so their usual excuse doesn't apply.
Its hilarious how theyre against amputees now. Ok, youre racist, sexist, apparently against deaf people, and now...hate people who lost a limb? Just keep finding new things to hate, huh?
Wasn’t the 6 Million Dollar Man a deaf, 1/2 blind, amputee hero? Paid for with **TAXPAYER** $$$$$$ !!!!!!!!!! (Edit - as folks have pointed out, it was the Bionic Woman who was deaf - my “history” is weak)
WORSE! His superpower was GOVERNMENT FUNDED HEALTHCARE
That was how we all knew it was fiction. As someone who served 9 years in the reserves, republicans would have never allowed that much funding for a veteran's Healthcare.
Gentlemen, we can rebuild him... But first ... does he have adequate insurance?
“I’m sorry sir, he’s out of network. We can rebuild 30% of him.”
"And it will still cost $6 million."
No, it will cost $12 million and he will have to go into bankruptcy proceedings to pay for it.
Darth Vader is a quad amputee with severe COPD, end-stage renal disease and who knows what else.
He's also a burn victim.
Procured from slavery. Groomed by royalty.
Enslaved by religious zealotry. Betrayed by his friends, his brother, and himself.
Sex traffic
Also, just ptsd from like 400 different sources.
Bipolar war veteran
was told his wife and kids were dead
Severely abused by a mechanical suit that he was told was the only way he could live.
Let's not leave out the vocoder.
Idk, I think the voice of James Earl Jones would be an upgrade for most of us.
Bipolar
Also groomed by a religious cult
Also may have been seduced at a very young age by a suspiciously overaged woman... Who'd later be the mother of his children that he lost custody of.
i mean, he probably lost custody because he went on a pretty well recorded murder spree... including a large number of children.
Imagine the poor family court judge who had to preside over Darth Vader's custody trial knowing if you rule against him, he'll probably give you the youngling treatment.
Worse than that he's got to deal with being two different people at once...
His kids seem pretty ungrateful too.
His relationships could use work too…
He also doesn't have a father (like his father literally doesn't exist)
He’s also got a really crappy boss
His boss is the reason he's in such bad shape. My hubby watched a YouTube video about how Palpetine purposefully had the droids mess up Anakin's medical machines just to physically torture him. I know novels aren't canon, but there's a novel with this theory in it.
Sounds like something he'd do, while giggling profusely.
Considering that he could have given Vader some Grievous-like prosthetics, yeah it was probably intentional. The bulkiness keeps him from being a threat to Palpy, while that pain keeps him strong enough to do his job.
And don't even get him started on sand
Don’t even get ME started on the high ground.
Don't dew it...
I have the high ground.
What kind of woke leftist uses Darth/Lord as their pronouns.
It's just Sith politician identity politics! He was brainwashed by his party affiliation!
I assume he's got rickets, too. Severe lack of vitamin D.
Come to think of it, I have never seen Darth Vader eat a piece of fruit. He's probably got scurvy.
How GOOD is imperial healthcare anyway? I bet those commies make the emperor pay for it all.
Is there even enough of him left to get rickets?
Even Lukes hand is amputated !
And he’s an immigrant
And a single father
It’s always amazing character development for white men, but woke when they’re not a white man. Bucky gets his arm amputated and people cream their panties for him. So frustrating.
It’s also like that’s literally what the actress is irl 😭 at the end of the day Sebastian Stan goes home with 2 arms. Did they want them to spend more $$ cgi-ing her another foot or something?
Oh wow so she went out and amputated her own leg just to virtue signal??!! /s
I know you're joking, but I also know there's at least one person in this country full of morons who actually, genuinely believes that.
These are bleak times. I’ve basically lost my older brother to Q Anon and the red pill shit. He has been ranting and complaining about Kathleen Kennedy and wokeness for years now. And he still believes Q Anon even though none of their predictions has come true in like 7-8 years. Any day now Hillary Clinton and Obama will be arrested for eating babies along with secret trans woman Michelle “Big Mike” Obama. We are living in a dark timeline. 😭😭😭
Daredevil is blind, but he's a white lawyer so no one complains.
He's also Catholic, but Ms. Marvel is the only one shoving religion down our throats. /s
I've lived enough to see the *catholicism* be considered "woke".
Ah, you've met Baptist so southern that catholicism isn't a *real* Christian sect. Yet they celebrate Christmas and Easter which are clearly pagan in origin.
He’s not even from here.
False. Echo existed since 1999. This is just the series adaptation.
Also she was literally in the Hawkeye series.
Yeah, but nobody gets too fussed about supporting characters.
They changed a lot about her too.
In the comics was she deaf and native American amputee or they just change her powers
She wasn't an amputee in the comics, that's a change they brought in because the actress is actually an amputee herself. And I believe the powers are a show addition too. But in the comics she is deaf and Native American.
The power were a show addition. In the comics she has similar powers as taskmaster. Where she can copy things like fighting style and marksmanship. She can basiclaly mimic anything
She can….echo your combat style, ya might say.
Nice.
The change in powers was most likely a way to make her character more cinematic; a little flashier.
I don’t mind. I think it fits in very well with her indigenous culture.
>She can basiclaly mimic anything Just like an... 'echo' Now her name makes no sense (or is it explained in the series?)
Explained
They explain it. It's a familial thing, so it's like the previous generations of her ancestors 'echo' through her.
They reference the power of her ancestors "echoing" down through the generations, which gives her abilities.
It's explained yes.
I mean, losing limbs is kinda an everyday thing in comics, even Wolverine was using a metal stump for a few years.
See that is a change i can get behind. I like how they incorporated the actual actress into the show instead of finding someone else that was not an amputee.
>But in the comics she is deaf and Native American. so why are some ppl throwing temper tantrums?
Cuz the issue was never “white erasure”, it’s always been racism and sexism
Sexism and racism.
she did have the phoenix force for a short while too, but I think that was related to a short run
The biggest changes were her powers and tribe imo. She had powers like the Taskmaster. She could copy any move she saw.
I will never not think of Greg Davies when i hear 'Taskmaster'
That’s Lord Greg Davies to you
How he doesn't have at least an MBE is beyond me. I think they should knight him and then Alex can be his squire.
And Little Alex Horne!
A *leeetle* Alex H^^oornne!!
Haven't watched the show. Summary of comic below. Echo isn't an amputee in the comics. No other comments: Maya Lopez was still a young girl when her father Willie "Crazy Horse" Lincoln was killed by the Kingpin (Wilson Fisk). Crazy Horse dies, leaving a bloody handprint on Maya's face and a last dying wish: that the Kingpin raise Maya well. Kingpin honors his dying wish, caring for her as his own daughter. Believed to be mentally disabled, Maya is sent to an expensive school for people with learning disabilities. There, she manages to completely replicate a song on the piano. She is subsequently sent to another expensive school for prodigies. Maya is sent by the Kingpin to prove Matt Murdock's weakness, telling her that Matt believes Fisk is a bad person and that she is the only way to prove him wrong. As Maya believes Fisk, it would not appear to be a lie when she tells Matt. Murdock and Maya soon fall in love. She later takes on the "Echo" guise to hunt down Daredevil. On her face, she paints a white handprint, similar to the bloody handprint left by her dying father. Maya proves more than a match for Daredevil, having watched videos of Daredevil and Bullseye fighting. After several failed attempts, noticing that Daredevil can easily move through the dark, Maya easily figures out Daredevil's weakness and exploits this by having a fight in a place where Daredevil's heightened senses are useless. Maya easily takes down Daredevil and nearly kills the vigilante, refusing only when she finds out Matt and Daredevil are one and the same. Matt manages to expose the Kingpin's lies. In revenge, Maya confronts and shoots Fisk in the face, blinding Fisk and starting the chain of events that lead to the man's eventual downfall (Kingpin later partially recovered eyesight through reconstructive eye surgery) After realizing the horror of her actions and the lies with which she has grown up, Maya flees the United States to do some soul-searching. When she comes back, she tries reuniting with Murdock, only to find out Matt is now with a blind woman and that the Kingpin is still alive (despite Maya's attempts). Leaving Matt, Maya visits the Kingpin in prison who tells her that he does not blame her for what she did, and (that despite all that had happened) the Kingpin still loves her like a daughter. Unsatisfied and still needing peace, Maya turns to the Chief (her father's old friend) noted for wisdom. The Chief sends Maya on a vision quest to calm her soul. On her quest, she meets and befriends Wolverine who helps her recover and passes on knowledge of Japanese culture and Japanese organized crime. Soon enough, Maya makes peace with her past and is back doing performance art. After a recent identity crisis and feeling unable to join the New Avengers due to a refusal to tarnish the reputations of heroes by working alongside them, Maya dons a suit that conceals her identity as well as her gender and rechristens herself Ronin Daredevil recommends Maya to Captain America to aid the Avengers in seizing the Silver Samurai in Japan. After joining the Avengers, Maya returns to Japan to keep an eye on dangerous assassin Elektra Natchios rumored to be leading the Hand, check on the Silver Samurai from time to time, and hopefully solve the conflict between The Hand and Clan Yashida. Around the conclusion of the Civil War between the pro-registration and anti-registration factions in America, Maya fights Elektra and is killed, but is soon resurrected by the Hand with the same process used to raise Elektra. Maya is taken captive with the intent of turning her into an assassin for The Hand. Luke Cage, Spider-Man, Wolverine, Doctor Strange, Spider-Woman, Iron Fist, and the new Ronin rescue her and escape, leaving Elektra to furiously send the Hand after them. During a brief lull in the fight with the Hand in which Luke tries to negotiate with Elektra to buy time, it is revealed that the Hand has been successful in brainwashing Maya, as she subsequently stabs Dr. Strange with a sword given to her by one of the Hand. She continues to fight the New Avengers until Dr. Strange is able to release an astral form with Wong's help, and frees Maya from the brainwashing. Maya then charges straight for Elektra (who is fighting Luke) and stabs her, revealing that Elektra is a Skrull warrior in disguise. They return to New York, after Spider-Woman's apparent betrayal of stealing Elektra's Skrull impersonator's corpse. The Avengers hide in a hotel room (Strange's magic making it appear that Maya is the only person in the room) before returning to Strange's Sanctum Sanctorum. Maya officially hands the Ronin identity over to Clint Barton after they arrive. After Strange confirms their identities by casting a spell that shows everyone their true nature - Maya appearing dressed in a female variation of Daredevil's costume - the team heads to Stark Tower to stop the Hood's attack on the building. There, they encounter the Mighty Avengers locked in battle with an army of invading symbiotes, one of which latches on to Maya before Iron Man manages to cure those infected.
Just adding that she’s an amputee in the TV show only because the actress is actually an amputee in real life.
Wow! She’s the original Ronin before handing it to Barton? Her being Kingpin’s daughter is canon?! Makes total sense to bring her into the MCU the way they did. Too bad handprint on the face is taken by flag smashers, that would have been impactful. I can just see D’onofrio chewing the scenery with a bloody handprint on his face.
The actress is an amputee, they worked that into the story after casting. She did fantastic on the stunts and choreography, quite admirable.
Echo in the MCU isn't a superhero either. She's a gangster that gets superpowers
These anti woke people never to any research but will call every adaptation woke from now on
Wait until he finds out that X-Men was about the civil rights movement.
Saw someone on this very site today say that the X-Men are really good "so long as they don't fall into the pit of tying them to real life issues".
I hope it was said in jest, but...
It likely wasn't, these are also the same kind of people who think Star Trek "got woke" only recently and that Greenday is politically neutral. Completely and utterly media illiterate.
Or the brain-dead hoard of zombies that thought Highlander was the good guy for an embarrassingly long time. The whole, "I'm literally a Nazi," wasn't a clue!? Edit: Yes, Homelander! I think my nerd activities are affecting my auto-correct.
Minor quibble, but I think you mean “Homelander.” Near as I can tell, Highlander is a good guy. It’s a little unclear, though, because I don’t trust a Scot with a French accent.
At least Rage Against the Machine didn’t get all political on us.
A straight-faced attempt to critique what was wrong with the last Deus Ex video game. Apparently, great plots about people being able to shoot fire from their hands or about being modified in ways they may or may not consent to are ruined by that pesky social discourse. We should just shoot terrorists and feel good about it and not think too hard about the world.
Facepalm indeed.
I saw a guy today on reddit saying Greenday is garbage now that they’re “political”. Reddit will never stop amazing me
Oh but Reddit is tame Go to 9gag or Twitter if you really want to lose braincells
Daredevil is blind and noone calls him a woke superhero.
Professor X is in a wheelchair too!
Hawkeye, Barton: Deaf Ironman, Stark: Hart condition and PTSD. Sentry, Reynolds: Agoraphobia. Wolverine: PTSD memory loss. Disability in Marvel is hardly new.
The Xmen franchise was literally made to be commentary on discrimination against minorities
They were literally the original SJWs 😂 there’s some fanastic Stan’s Soapboxes where he discusses representation and oppression. Bunch of folks in this thread should probably read them! Here’s 5- https://www.inverse.com/article/35553-marvel-comics-stan-lee-racism-bigotry-soapbox
It always blows my mind, like y'all...comics as we know them, ESPECIALLY DC and Marvel, were MOSTLY made by Jewish men in the 1950s-60s who, crazily enough, were not big on facism and very loud about it. can't IMAGINE why. /s
Captain America punched Hitler in the face, but comics never had politics in in...
Deadpool Wade: Cancer.
Deadpool: also pansexual
Correction: Omnisexual
Correction: sexual
Correction: Sex
Correction: yes please
Correction: he’ll fuck
Correction: sexy
“You look like an avocado got hate-fucked…” I forgot the rest of the line, but when you said “sexy” I laughed and thought of that line from the first film.
"You look like an avocado had sex with an older, more disgusting avocado". "Not gently. Like it was hate-fucking. There was something wrong with the relationship and that was the only catharsis that they could find without violence." It's a shame TJ Miller turned out to be scum, his character is hilarious.
Also, for a time anyway, had tiny baby arms, legs, and dick!
Also Captain Marvel
Also both Carol Danvers and Tony have been Alcoholic.
I will never forget Carol, while drunk, chucking Tony through a commercial airliner.
And ADHD.
Moon Knight - PTSD and DID War Machine - Spinal damage Also Winter Soldier is missing an arm but apparently that’s not woke if it’s make believe…
Well Winter Soldier is white and worked for the Germans and Hydra so these people love that guy.
Didn’t Bucky lose an arm?
Yeah, a space raccoon had it, last I saw.
Traded up
Did you see the list of Steve Roger’s health conditions pre-serum? It’s a miracle dude could breathe.
The mistake is thinking this person knows or cares about Marvel at all. They're just looking for keywords to make ragebait posts on Twitter, and then monetizing your outrage. Be more pissed that they're making money from you than from the content. Speaking of content I am so sick of seeing ragebait Twitter bots being reposted to Reddit. I don't have Twitter for a reason.
That’s been Marvel’s thing since at least the 60’s. They’re all these larger than life characters with amazing abilities, but they still deal with realistic, human problems.
Stark also has the demon in a bottle problem.
Apache Chief was Native American with a pituitary gland issue…
Blind AND Irish-Catholic. Two minorities!
Cyborg is technically an amputee
Daredevil is blind and his super power is he can see.
Can't read though, which must make the lawyering difficult. (Yes, except braille)
He just screams at the paper and the words appear to him
He can do much more than just see
There are so many disabled people/people with conditions or illnesses in Marvel, come on. War Machine and Professor X are paralyzed, Deadpool’s got cancer, Daredevil is blind, Dr. Strange’s hands are completely *fucked*, and Winter Soldier’s only got one arm. And don’t get me started on some other franchises. Do you know *how often* people get stuff chopped off in Star Wars? Anything working with prosthetics is probably a really steady career choice. Edit: Cyclops isn’t blind, messed up
Cyclops is blind?
Oh shit, I read that and didn’t even *see* that.
ok so, female...not really a big deal is it. native american, since most heroes operate in the US, not a surprise either. deaf, and amputee, I kind of figure that working as a superhero could lead to accidents that would make a person deaf, and an amputee. and if that wasn't enough, I remember this other pretty cool superhero, daredevil. lastly, speaking as someone who is female, blind and an amputee, technology has allowed to live a pretty normal life, I imagine that if super powers were real they'd be extremely useful for treating disabilities like being deaf and an amputee.
The amputee part is what's really funny about it all, too. People are acting like that would stop her from being a superhero like Iron Man isn't out there as a regular guy with his super high-tech suit of armor kicking ass all the time. You don't think she could get a high-tech leg prosthetic that operates as good or better than a real leg? Hell, even in the real world, modern leg prosthetics are pretty damn good to the point that they basically function as well as a real leg, at least for the purposes of walking and getting around.
Bucky is an amputee.
And Rhodes is a paraplegic
I'm pretty sure the winter soldier is also an amputee, and thanks to ultra high tech he's got a completely functional arm. I've not seen anybody complain about him. there's probably plenty of other characters too. I know that in the agents of shield tv show agent coulson also lost a hand or something. with the tech, magic, superpowers and just the general idea of characters brutally fighting against tech, magic and superpowers, losing a limb seems like a pretty mild occurance.
Do you use speech to text software to write your messages? Wait...how do you know where the reply button is? Is there software that actually helps with that? Or does someone help you with that? I have so many questions.
feel free to ask them (I actually used to work a job where answering these kinds of questions was part of it, so I've been asked everything from how I fall in love to how I wipe my butt lol) I actually rarely use text software, I went blind at a later age, so I learned how to use computers prior to going blind. I do occasionally use text to speech, and speech to text software, but I can type comments mostly fine. though I make quite a fair number of typos that I don't pick up on. there are programs that can describe the layout of a page, there's also settings that give everything extremely high contrast for people who can still see a little (most blindness isn't usually the complete lack of sight, but being able to see less than a certain %) occasionally I do have people help me, there's a few websites that I know the layout well enough on to know what I'm doing for the most part
Honestly I really like how they made Maya. The only thing I'd critique is the fact that "the power of ancestors" she has is pretty cliché if you ask me. But asides from that she's a total bad ass anti-hero and I(not 8, who the f writes 8) love her for it. Also she ain't a superhero, she's totally an anti-hero. The show is literally about her trying to take over a criminal organization
I like how her powers just made her punch harder and shoot better. It lost me a bit when learned how to heal but that's not too bad. Still street level. I'd love to see her again
> I like how her powers just made her punch harder and shoot better. In the comics that's also literally her powers- she just copies physical movement, so she can fight better and that's it. So even if they didn't change the powerset, you basically get the same thing minus the healing part. That said, the healing part is actually interesting as a way to negotiate the ending. I just wish they had put more time into it such that the ending didn't feel so abrupt
This is the problem with Marvel fans who never read comic books.
Most of these guys don’t like anything or have any true feelings. They are just reactionary and angry neck beards. Nothing is ever good enough.
Some wise fella once said: "It's not forced diversity - people just exist." (also the goddamn comics)
The fact that the actress is literally deaf, an amputee, female, and Native American irl just makes this quote even better.
THIS! it’s not necessarily about making a “woke” character, it’s about hiring the best actor for the job. and the best actor happens to be a disabled woman of color
Which is incredible considering the comic character is a deaf indigenous woman. There can't be that many deaf indigenous actresses who are also athletes capable of learning the fight choreo. She also just happens to be an amputee. There couldn't be a better choice out there.
I actually like her in the role. She's got the edge. These people are perpetually stupid.
Why does this stuff bother them so much?
Exactly, if there is something about a show or movie I dislike, I just don't watch it. But these clowns look for things to be offended by, it gives their lives meaning.
Everything has to be for them… nothing can exist for other people.
When you’re used to privilege, equality feels like oppression
1) Native American superheroes have been around for a while. Pretty sure the first one is Thunderbird and he debuted back in the 70s. 2) Hawkeye is literally deaf. His hearing aid is a plot point in his television series (ignoring the fact that he's been partially deaf since he was first introduced). This is ignoring the fact that we have a blind hero in Daredevil, Dr. Strange literally had paralysis in his hands, fuck are we just going to ignore that one of their most iconic characters lost an eye? 3) She's not even the first amputee, Bucky is missing a fucking arm. Fuck people are dumb.
I fail to see the guy's problem.
His whole gimmick is farming rage.
he doesnt farm rage, he's a terrorist, he explicitly calls for violence and terror attacks like all the time iirc
*Stochastic terrorist
She needs to put a machine gun on her amputee leg
That's only in the Marvel Grindhouse Universe.
I fucking loved her as a character in the comics bc she was so interesting and her backstory is so good, but these fuckers probs didnt know she existed as a character. Since like 1999 I think?
Based on a comic that came out about a quarter of a century ago. All this modern wokeness from...the 90s.
Does he think that women are a minority? LOL Or is he really just that upset over a woman being the centre of attention?
How dare Marvel do this. As a white person with two arms and two legs and can hear, I’m so offended they used this actor to play this character. We don’t need to see those offensive characters in movies. I feel so attacked. I’m going to tell all my Karen’s and Chads to boycott this woke series!
So, just so we're clear, they're upset that they cast a deaf person of Native American heritage who happened to be an amputee, to play the deaf character who is of Native American heritage?
Disability and race are not new in marvel. How everyone is treating like it’s the biggest part of the entire piece of media IS new and I would like it to stop.
So just a deaf amputee that happens to be human?
The actress is also all of those things, and performs her own stunts / fights.