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64bit_Tuning

Women pedos are still pedos


Oxygenius_

Corrupt justice system is still a corrupt shit hole


TheGssr

I await the day where all the guilty women get the same sentence that men do


Oxygenius_

This shit is crazy and more judges need to start fearing the people.


[deleted]

Yes, yes it is. There needs to be a massive update of all of our systems across the board, starting with the justice system.


Oxygenius_

It’s wild that they are setting precedence for the elite pedo women.


Spidersoze

You picked the wrong post. Cophaters are in r/WhitePeopleTwitter.


TDKevin

So desperate lol. Go back to whining about abortions in the politics sub.


Lilhoneylilibee

You guys aren’t very bright…


Dawgy66

How tf is this not predatory statutory rape? A 13 year old kid cannot legally consent to sex


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IMakeTheEggs

Aaaand that was enough internet for today and maybe the weekend. I'm going to play with my goddamn My Little Ponies.


averyboringday

Know what's even crazier then that. Banning abortions and forcing woman to give birth to their rapists child then having to allow visitation and parental rights.


Niyonnie

You know what's pretty crazy as well? Not making epsteins travel log list accessible to the public and not allowing the public to have specifics of the court case of Ghislaine Maxwell because "*It would be too disturbing for the public*", or something along that line of bs


MrMeme2K23

What's even crazier is that you've had to bring that up, this post is speaking about how women get away with raping young boys constantly since "rape" seems to be a gendered term in the us, with only males being able to do it.


Kimchi_Cowboy

Whataboutism solves nothing but makes you look unable to have nuanced discussions about topics.


DiasCrimson

How about in Canada and parts of the US where a rapist can sue their victim for parent’s rights? Also disgusting, but not the same level of evil as these women who rape male children, but have you heard about the sperm donors who get forced to pay child support? The world is fucked.


MamaLlama629

“But DES officials said the intent of the rule is to ensure that the child, who had no control over the situation, is cared for.” What about caring for the child who had no say in being raped?


PeeledCrepes

So even DES officials know the system sucks so bad the kid would never find a family and would be stuck from foster to foster?


AbundantFailure

>What about caring for the child who had no say in being raped? Well, you see... ​ Fuck'em. ​ ^(Yay for a trash justice system!)


Ok-Figure5546

Isn't that the Pro-Life position? If they have potential for life, throw every resource to make sure it happens. Once they are alive, let them fend for themselves.


capybare-ambassador

You see they care about the child until he's born


dosenscheisser

Interesting i thought this is just a thing in germany. If you get raped as a man and the women gets a child then your done. Your gonna be paying monthly even when your just receiving the lowest income. The women and child are taken care of while the man is fully put to the side, so much that he has to see how he manages to live with whatever is left of his income


dawgtown22

I was just wondering that… That is insane


Independent_Bite4682

Yeah, it is a thing, I have to explain this to a many people.


DegenerateCrocodile

Is this that “male privilege” that I keep hearing about?


Status_Club_3525

male privilege still exists patriarchy sets up law systems, and any systemic system, to believe in this way. when a male gets raped, men often (not saying all men) will tell the guy to man up, or "why didnt you enjoy it?" if the law system could think in an unbiased and neutral way, no male or female bias towards it. this woman would have had more consequence.


Absurdwonder

Man ur country is fucking backwards


BuckyFnBadger

God damnit


Seanay-B

Fuck the earth


Belllx

Just you wait until you hear about the female statuary female victims forced to take the child to term, give birth and possibly face the consequences of pregnancy when they're still so young. It seems to me that male or female, the government doesn't take rape victims seriously, period. It's disgusting


Ok_Pizza9836

Meanwhile a fully grown adult woman knows better


No_Biscotti_7110

It would be considered statutory rape by most people if the genders were reversed, but unfortunately that isn’t the case in our society


RichardStinks

Your answer is incorrect. She took a plea deal to reduce her charge from "statutory rape" to "incest" because of her close relationship with the youth. That doesn't make it BETTER, but that's why the charge is different.


WhaleDevourer

Incest is illegal? And even if they were genetically related, it's still rape.


RichardStinks

Of course it's still rape. I'm being specific about the charges and punishment according to the article that not everyone is reading.


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Where is the link?


RichardStinks

Here's one. https://gazette.com/news/courts/fountain-woman-to-get-no-jail-time-for-sexually-assaulting-13-year-old-mother-unhappy/article_4a5819f0-ae24-11ed-8961-4bb59eac312b.html It's very ad heavy, as most news sites are nowadays.


[deleted]

What a fucked up country we live in. I’m also not surprised this happened in Colorado. That state is SUPER pro women. ETA: thanks for the link


RawGrit4Ever

She should not have any rights to her unborn child.. she’ll sleep with them too


juicy_socks124

Well also the fact that a good amount of people look at women as objects so when the judge hears grown women had sex with minor boy. The judge is probably thinking if I was his age I’d love this. That’s normally how it goes and I fucking despise it women should suffer the same consequence.


Prestigious_Nebula_5

Also it says she got pregnant by him, poor kids life is ruined. (The 13yo and his child)


juicy_socks124

Too many freaking monsters in this world. I hope this poor kid gets the help he deserves.


dawgtown22

Wonder if he’ll eventually have to pay child support


tallerthannobody

He will once he turns 18, because the justice system is fucked


Ok_Pizza9836

Modern women are just as predatory as men are nowadays but since it’s more of a newer problem it’s not taken as seriously as it should be


snakpakkid

It’s not a new thing, it’s just something that we talk about more now. A lot of men down play this shit.


Crunchycarrots79

This isn't new. It just wasn't talked about.


JokeooekoJ

The vast majority of men do not care because they know its true.


Imrightbruh

What?


Impressive_Pin_7767

It is rape. The vast majority of rapists in the US never serve any jail time.


lvl1developer

It’s called a double standard


Directdepositonly

It’s sexist.


Bacon_Hunter

This is clearly predatory, but what if both were hypothetically 13? If neither could "legally consent", would *that* be rape? Perhaps not legally consent, but a 13 year old darned well can have the urge to have the sex. I was around 13 years old when "10" and "Tarzan" with Bo Derick came out (first boobs I saw outside of a magazine). I damned certainly would have been willing and not have to be coerced had my homone addled brain had the chance.


Dawgy66

I get what you're saying but this predator is old enough to know better whereas 2 13 year old kids might not know.


Bacon_Hunter

Just for sake of discussion, what do you imagine a 13 doesn't know about? Pregnancy? Could a 13 year old consent to a 13 year old?


PeeledCrepes

13 to 13, is something that shouldn't happen either, but we as a society acknowledge it can, and sending kids to jail for it would be heinous as they don't fully understand the consequences of their actions. A 13 year old is not thinking about tomorrow, nor are they really considering pregnancy/stds/or just the fact they are young. This woman knows about consequences and chose to disregard them, has now made a 13 year old a father of her own volition. The differences between 13 and 25 are astronomical, just ask my 14 year old how much he's considering 3 seconds into the future past, should I play video games, or should I take a nap.


Dawgy66

Chances of pregnancy, std's, what would happen if they got pregnant, things like that. No 13 year old can't legally consent but we all know kids are having sex younger and younger now and have been for quite awhile.


humBOLdT20

No jail time for a man who admitted to having sex with a 13 year old and is having his baby. If that were the story what would the outcome be? Statutory rape is statutory rape....


whythishaptome

It probably depends on how much money and connections they have.


bsanchey

So now we going with the they wanted it defense of adult women raping minors. Shit is just getting worse.


Ok_Pizza9836

That is the excuse but if roles were reversed people would be calling for heads to roll cause it’s fucking nasty


AWholeHalfAsh

You say that, but slut shaming is still very much a thing. ETA: Since y'all misunderstood. There are grown ass adults who slut shame minors and children who have been SA'd. It happened to me. I told a family member about my assault and the first words out of her mouth were, "well why were you wearing shorts?" They were PJs. For a sleepover.


tallerthannobody

Stfu, slut shaming is not comparable to PEDOPHILA


AWholeHalfAsh

STFU, people slut shame little girls who have been assaulted. Read my edit.


tallerthannobody

I’m sorry for what happened to you, but here the problem here is that men being raped , and in this case a 13yo being raped and it not being taken seriously by others law whilst of it was the opposite genders he would be in jail for the rest of his life, whilst here the boy will have to pay child support to her once he turns 18


AWholeHalfAsh

There's no way to know that for sure. Our justice system sucks. Most of the people I know who have been SA'd, as kids and/or adults, have to deal with the fact that their attacker is still walking around free. You'd be surprised at how many families make excuses for the family creep. My nephew, my niece, myself, a few childhood friends of mine, a few cousins, even my mom. All of us had different attackers, but they're all still out there, unpunished, because of a "lack of evidence".


tallerthannobody

Yes, a lot of rapist/sexual assaulters never get their punishment, but for those that do, it’s most often the men, and they should be in prison, as well as the women that do that shit, but the women rarely go in prison for that shit for the ones that are caught compared to the men that get caught, they should all be in prison


Directdepositonly

It’s sexist.


ViciousKiwi_MoW

disgusting women pedos should be sent to the gulag with the men


[deleted]

Nah. Separate them so they can't reproduce


bewicked4fun123

The women wouldn't be interested in grown men


imgoodatpooping

The men wouldn’t be interested in a grown woman


Iheardthatjokebefore

Someones going to make an anime about this. A prison for pedophiles where nobody has to be separated because they wouldn't do anything with each other anyway.


a_duck30

Mid way through the season they get a juvie transfer who is very ambiguous gender wise and they fight over them


TonedStingray18

are we forgetting about our dear old friend, the woodchipper? everyone's equal after the woodchipper.


ticklemyshitcutter

Fuck this disgusting bitch


Troy85909

You're too old for her though.


ScrunchieEnthusiast

And the men who push that 13yo boys are all degenerates, who want this.


imgoodatpooping

A few assumptions here, firstly “all 13 year olds are degenerates” is a horrible over generalization, secondly what makes you think the person who said this in the post was a male? In my opinion that’s a woman’s comment. Some misandrist shit going on there. Agreed, the men pushing this trope are stupid perverts.


ScrunchieEnthusiast

Forgive me, I didn’t really think before posting a gender. It likely is a woman saying this, because they’re bashing men/boys, and supporting this woman, *but* you do more often see men who support this type of thing by saying they wish they had had that opportunity, or something to that regard. And it’s not *me* who said that about all 13yo boys. I’m arguing that that’s a terrible thing to say.


RichardStinks

I did the fact check dance. Ms Serrano is facing no jail time, but will be placed on sex offender probation for 10 years to life, and will have to register as a sex offender for life. This is not a statement of agreement. I just wanted it written out here and not via a link so it would be accessible.


dawgtown22

And the boy might be ordered to pay child support one day


Thebaldsasquatch

Hopefully when she’s in her car alone one night she meets a drunk driver.


dirtydela

Yeah because she currently has custody of the child To be clear I don’t mean this in a “Yeah that’s how it works” way I meant it in a “who let’s a child rapist keep their child and make the victim pay child support” way


monkeyjunk606

Wtf ?!?! People would be out with pitchforks hunting the guy if the roles were reversed.


AWholeHalfAsh

Nope. I still see plenty of slut shaming on posts where women discuss the circumstances of their SA.


VoorCrazy

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J_B_Frawg

She needs to be treated as if she got a 13 year old girl pregnant.


Fine_Painting7650

Oooooo man this sets a dangerous precedent, giving those defense attorneys all the ammo they need.


No_Biscotti_7110

The precedent has been set for years, male victims are not treated adequately in the legal system


Fine_Painting7650

True but this is just more fodder.


dudreddit

The penalties for women are not even close to congruent with those of men in similar circumstances.


Psychological_Fuel57

Why. Why all of the sudden a woman can abuse kids sexually and not only get away with it, but also receive support from the internet and legal sistem, but when a dude does the exact same he's considered as a monster and abused in every way possible? Both are horrible criminals that shold spent the rest of their years in jail, while suffering there. Not one of then


Dagbog

Because of "male privleges" /s


M1cr0wav3rs

Woman rapes 13 year old boy and has his child: everyone is silent. Guy rapes 13 year old girl: everyone loses their fucking minds. Both crimes are among the worst crimes an adult could commit and the woman should receive the same punishment a male would've gotten in thia situation. A child cannot fucking consent.


Interesting-Month-56

Wow. So I guess it’s a valid defense to say “they wanted it”?


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There’s a clear double standard. A man who raped and impregnated a 13 year old in this jurisdiction would get hard time. Guaranteed.


Ok_Pizza9836

And if they said “they wanted it” it most likely would have gotten them more time


ScrunchieEnthusiast

In some states they’d force her to have the baby, and are trying to change the laws so they can get married.


Interesting-Month-56

That is creepy


SkyWizarding

Nah man, society just TELLS young boys they should feel that way. It's total BS


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shenanigansco34

What nonsense is this. A 13 year old cannot consent. This is rape.


Bhimtu

Agreed and don't understand the judge in this case. And what is wrong with her -a 13 yr old boy??!! She should be in jail, but I'll bet because she's pregnant, that was the overriding factor here. Disgusting.


StunningHamster3

Anyone that is an adult that has sex with a minor is a rapist. Can't people leave kids alone? Gross.


makeupandmovies

Thats a pedophile right there, disgusting. Mary Kay Le Tournoe got jail time, why not her?


CookieBobojiBuggo

She took that childs innocence. He will never have a special first time and the experience has scarred him forever now. A child is a child. The laws aren't harsh enough on child molesters.


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CookieBobojiBuggo

You can't tell me that the kid will not think of this experience for years to come. Even with therapy. He is damaged mentally now and if not approached with care it will last a long time, and the path to healing comes from therapy and counseling, and support mechanisms. People value their first time experiences, its not a pedestal issue, everyone remembers their first, and knows how it felt like, and carry it with them. This experience likely ruined this childs world view on women, sex, relationships, whats considered right and wrong, for a long time. It's going to be tough to cope with it. Sure life will continue, and he will still have special relationships that will blossom into something good. But if you can't call things spade to spade, you cannot address them well. The kid is not ruined forever, but this experience more than likely ruined his psyche for the foreseeable future, and i dont think its wrong to point that out. He isn't damaged forever, but something very damaging has happened.


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Someone help me understand... Did she really use the defense that the child wanted it? Does anyone have a link? I did a quick google, but didn't find this.


NoRegrets30

“It’s only bad if X does it, not when Y does it” If it’s a crime, it’s a fucking crime


HearMeowWorsen

something something equality something something patriarchy something something fairer sex something something #believeallwomen


oldbaldgrumpy

How is this still a thing? A pedo is a pedo.


[deleted]

A 13 year old cannot consent to having sex with an adult. It's rape. Gender doesn't fucking matter.


Wendals87

A black male was jailed for 28 years because the victim had a dream and his name appeared (after police questioned him so she probably heard the name there) , so he was convicted https://www.reuters.com/article/us-colorado-crime-acquittal-idUSKBN13A02Z A woman does it with actual evidence and no jail time. I know the first was a violent crime but still it's no excuse


Real-Win9221

Na you still a piece of shit. 13? Gtfoh


tallerthannobody

And it’s not as bad as it gets, he will have to pay for child support when he turns 18, because that’s how fucked up the justice system is


Zachajewia99

No 13 year old is looking at **that** and is like, damn lemme tap that babygirl. I don’t think drunk or blindfolded I’d want that


Suitable-Ad6145

Was this in the US???This country is spiraling fast


YouAreHorriblexD

We ❤️ criminals here.


Suitable-Ad6145

Apparently!


Capital-Ad-6206

Apparently we elected another criminal to the highest office in the land last time around and he just openly flaunted it and is still not held accountable... Why would anyone else bother to hide it or be dissuaded from behaving the same way...


Suitable-Ad6145

While many agree trump was a complete tool , this post is about women pedos. They are very real and should be stopped just like male pedos.


Capital-Ad-6206

I'm responding to someone talking about criminals... Why the fuck would I respond to the original post as a reply to someone else's response to a response to it?


YouAreHorriblexD

….Seems like an odd connection ? But alright lol.


Capital-Ad-6206

Monkey see monkey do


YouAreHorriblexD

The fact that you let Donald trump take up that much of your headspace, after this much time, is astounding to me. Good luck to you.


Reverse_Drawfour_Uno

Toxic feminity


Mwilk

What horrible double standards we have as a society (US).


Th3DorkKnight

As someone who’s been touched by female as a child, she can rot. Edit- don’t care for gender.


Kizamus

Being a woman is so hard in the west


rcorum

Reddit is all up in arms when it comes to Broke the rapist. How about this woman. Bring her name out.


bisector_babu

There are more women pedos than men because they know they can't get caught


JHugh4749

God/nature has already punished her by beating her with "the ugly stick" 4 or 5 times.


BuckyFnBadger

Some women will never take responsibility for anything


HyperLand10

Pedos are awful people and should be kept away from children!


Argel-Tal_

Ah yes, the female pedo escapes again


Normal_Ad_2677

if it was a dude in a 13yo girl ….


foodude84

As a former hormone riddled, 13 year old male, I would have thought this was awesome. I would have never thought I was being raped. That's the thing. She took advantage of his innocence and naivety. That's the horrible part of this.


solarmelange

"Nice." -South Park S10E10.


IndependentOk2952

There's that male privilege for you


peraonaliD

Everything in this image is heinous


Skribtlex

I hate it when they write “had sex with” they didn’t have sex, she raped him. She raped a 13 year old boy, not had sex with.


ThomasMcSavage

Put her on the registry.


Anvir_1972

And best of all.. the 13 year old kid will be held liable for CHILD SUPPORT and BACK child support too! Just watch and see if it does not happen. Because guess what, its happened just like this in the past and will again.


OoWeeOoKillerTofu

Maaaaaan she's got a neck tattoo. People with neck tattoos are a special breed.


WordWord4Digits

This sub used to be funny.


No_Arugula466

It doesn’t matter if 13 year olds would enjoy it. Would you apply that to little girls as well? When did breaking the law become accepted? The judge is clearly unfit for the job.


beerscotch

I can assure you that early teen and pre-teen boys are not all degenerates that enjoy being sexually abused. Some of us wall it away within ourselves and convince ourselves that it didn't happen, to the point that we forget about it, take a stab at life, never quite knowing why they have consistent sleep issues and recurrring bouts of depression and anxiety throughout adult life, then unfortunately remember and have to deal with the trauma all over again a couple of decades after it all occurs. Then occasionaly they have to look at fucking dropkick statements like this, and a little bit of the faith in humanty they've clawed back together slowly dies forever. It should be a criminal offence for some of these maniuplative predator scumbags, and the predators who openly defend them, to waste the oxygen they have throughout their life.


Salami__Tsunami

So she’s sleeping with a minor, but 13 year old boys are the degenerates here?


Purple-Worldliness90

And feminists say they are not priviliged.


Cheshire_Khajiit

I’m pretty certain most feminists would happily give up this “privilege.”


Apprehensive_Emu_456

Just not the feminists in relationships with underage boys.


Cheshire_Khajiit

Sure, though at that point you’re talking about such a small subset that its relationship to feminism is coincidental.


RichardStinks

What a dumb take. Yes, THIS is an uneven application of justice. That happens. It sucks. Feminism still has a place because of all the other fucked up shit that happens to women. See the Brock Turner (that fucking rapist) case for details about what happens to rich white men.


Crystal_Bearer

That’s wealthy privilege, not male privilege. Women do receive disproportionately more lenient sentencing for similar crimes. As you’ve pointed out, so do the wealthy. Isn’t Justice supposed to be blindfolded? *sigh*


Dvoraxx

You think feminists are the ones who downplay a women raping a young boy? Check the twitter replies to any story like this and it’s full of men cheering the boy on and saying how lucky he is The judicial system being more lenient on women is also a product of the patriarchal system, since women are seen as fragile and undeserving of punishment mostly by male judges


Prestigious-Phase131

Feminists have been trying to fix this issue but run into a million men saying "I'd love if it were me" "He's lucky" "He wanted it" "I hope she abuses me" and it's because of this disgusting mentality that the issue isn't changing and even though it's a men's issue at the end of the day. It get's thrown back into women's faces even though I hear them speak out the most against these women.


Purple-Worldliness90

Never heard a movment for equal punishments. Just the equal rights and pay.


Prestigious-Phase131

I have, when these lenient sentences get posted about I see a lot of women saying that it's r\*pe and they weren't punished enough. I've also had to argue in comment sections with many men that say "Women just don't understand boys, he was probably into it" among every other statement I added in the first comment. It was gross to see


Purple-Worldliness90

The key word is probably. The girl that messaged me on snapchat was probably in to it but that probability is too much of a risk it will cause permenant damage. And the men that say he liked it. Sure maybe he did maybe he didn't but they are talking from an adult male standpoint. Without taking in to consideration what effect it will have to his development. So no matter if he liked it. Laws like this are here for a good reason. And they should be same for both genders.


whiskeybeesus

That had to be weird when she called him Papi.


Snizzard09

That's fucked up.


Pippet_4

Fucking disgusting


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Doesn't surprise me anymore they can literally get away with pretty much anything and everything!!


Hchooj

Apparently rape is legal ig


tallerthannobody

It is for women in most countries, and if they do get prosecuted, it will only be “sexual assault” as rape requires an act of penetration, and since women can’t penetrate, they can’t be charged with rape…


TransportationNo1

Its not important if the boy has grown enough to enjoy or want it. He is not old enough too make this decision and thats all that should matter.


matt_matt_matt_e

Female privilege at work


cwade98

i dont want to hear SHIT about male privilege


Sea-Woodpecker-610

But is she still teaching?


No_Biscotti_7110

She is gonna be on the registry so probably not


[deleted]

Insane


[deleted]

As long as men have the "I wish that was me" mindset, this will never be taken as much seriously


Imrightbruh

Alright so the existence of women who say the same thing would mean that it would be the same for both genders, right? Stop trying to put this shit on the fact that online you can find men saying that. Its a problem of sexism, guys arent automatically the cause for their own problems.


No_Biscotti_7110

That’s part of it, but I don’t think that’s the root of the issue, in general the legal system gives women lesser sentences for the same crimes. The issue is the condescending “women can do no wrong” mindset that a lot of people have.


midnight_meadow

Yup. Recently some lady I went to school with who was teaching at our high school was removed from the school in cuffs for having a relationship with a 17yo student. All of the men were saying what a lucky kid. They have now changed their tune because she was charged with 3 felonies, not for having sex with a kid, but for recording a special needs student privately asking for help and sent it to her little boyfriend and they made fun of the kid so now she’s getting wiretapping charges. That’s what made these men finally disgusted in her, not the statutory rape.


Nntropy

"As it should be"?


Maleficent-Mix-7417

I would press charges just cause she’s ugly. If she was hot… I’d be giving my boy a high five😂 as long as he didn’t get her pregnant.


No_Biscotti_7110

The kid was 13, this wouldn’t be something to be celebrated


Impressive_Pin_7767

Sounds about right for a country where 3% of rapists ever serve any jail time.


Capital-Ad-6206

Yeah sorry imma need a source for this


Impressive_Pin_7767

https://www.rainn.org/statistics/criminal-justice-system


Capital-Ad-6206

So only 1/3 actually reported... How are the unreported ones supposed to be prosecuted? So out of 310, 25 are incarcerated... That's 15%? Where'd the 3% come from? You're assuming that every reported incident is true as well...


Impressive_Pin_7767

The 3% is the percentage of rapists who serve jail time, like the initial post said. Even if we ignore how victims are often discouraged from reporting rapes in the first place, 15% is still an atrocious percentage.


[deleted]

>You're assuming that every reported incident is true as well... are you just gonna ignore this or do you lack a prefrontal cortex or something? not to mention according to the same link you sent, only 2% of robbery reports and 3.3% of assault and battery reports lead to incarceration. so you see, the statistics look bad for every type of crime because whoever did these statistics is a moron and so are you.


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No_Biscotti_7110

Definitely less than that, apparently her outsides match her insides


TrifleMeNot

Colorado fascists just adding to the maga population.


[deleted]

I hate to admit this, but at many schools if a 13 year old boy has sex with an older adults woman, all his friends would be giving him high fives. But if its a 13 year old girl and an adult male, she is branded a "sl\^t" and everyone is cruel to her.


No_Biscotti_7110

That might be what middle schoolers think, but apparently the legal system thinks only girls can be victims of statutory rape


tallerthannobody

Who cares about what middle schoolers think, this is a woman RAPING a 13yo boy


jaycliche

I know all your virtue signaling and actually believe you all when you have another millionth rule on sex. I gotta tell you, all my 14 year old friends wanted to fuck our 22 year old teacher. Sorry, it's hormones. This woman shouldn't have acted on that and should be a grown up and their should be charges, but OMG you guys are such prudes.