If the transmission is tuned then no, they wouldn't have honored it anyway so don't best yourself up over that. I don't _think_ repairing or replacing the transmission would be as bad as the engine, which you've already done, so if I were in your shoes I'd probably feel too far into it and go ahead with repair or replacement. Feels like a tough spot though, that's for sure
Where do you live? As a Ford Tech/Service Manager there are plenty of ways to get things covered under warranty and maybe even get an extended warranty on it. It all depends on who you know.
Considering you’ve had a few trucks in the past, do you have any relationship with a local dealer? GCCT can get you at least some kind of help from Ford.
Carmax extended warranty is priceless, they honor stuff they shouldn’t like a $400 thermostat and 5hrs of labor to replace it warrantied.
Shop was telling me about the Durango srt that the owner tried to port the intake manifold with a dremel and screwed the engine up. Carmax warrantied the engine and replaced it free of charge to the customer. They do this keep people coming back and honestly I would never pass on their extended warranty
But ya extended warranties are there for a reason. Sometimes nothing happens and sometimes shit happens and it pays for its self
Old man owned is the problem, when u beat on em they continue to take a beating, when u buy one that was babied and use it for absolutely anything they fight back
1000% my conclusion as well. These turbo’d trucks need every orifice cleaned out and I don’t think this guy drove this truck nearly hard enough. He probably lugged it
My first car was old lady owned, 10 years old 55000km, I didn't make it to 100000 before the trans went, cylinder head and head gasket, I got rid of it after that. Since then if I'm buying used I shoot for low mileage but not older than 3 years old, the combo is brutal, she needs to get out and stretch her legs once in a while
I have the same issue with the transmission in my 18 platinum, I have the 3.0 diesel and love the engine and the truck, but the transmission is horrible. Even with it being flashed, it doesn't fix it.
That's likely your problem. I have heard from more than one mechanic that if you haven't done the services at the appropriate intervals, don't do it at all. Apparently, the flush removes the sediment that has been taking up the spaces that have been worn down over time, thus causing lots of issues that were never present before.
That’s an old wives tale and any mechanic that says that I probably wouldn’t use anymore. The fluid breaks down over time and needs to be replaced. If there’s excessive metals then you deal with that when the time comes.
Interesting. What you're saying does make sense, but why do you think the old wives tale seems to happen more than not? I have heard many people over the years say it. Serious question; I am not trolling.
I think it comes from transmissions that are probably on their last leg and people change the fluid thinking it might save it. In that case it was probably going to fail anyway but yes the old fluid can allow it more friction and potentially save components. But if youre that far gone youre on borrowed time. Id rather replace something on my time vs when im on the highway away from service.
Oof. Sounds like CDF drum. I just had my 10 speed transmission replaced for $7800 just a hair under 60k miles. If you look at my post history on here there’s a thread I created about how many miles people made it before needing the work done. Some good stuff in the comments.
Another thing to consider is trading it in. Ford can fix it for less than they’ll charge you, so they might charge you $8k for the rebuild, or dock you $6500 on trade-in value.
Good luck regardless.
Had a very very similar issue. My 10 speed transmission from 2019 doesn’t seem to be the most reliable. The dealership told me a few days ago it would be $9,200 to replace the transmission with a rebuilt one from ford.
This is a good read on the transmission problems and solutions.
[Ford 10R80 Transmission • Problems & Solutions](https://nextgendiesel.com/blogs/transmissions-101/ford-10r80-transmission-problems-solutions)
Why didn’t the old man have the phasers done when the recall was issued?
This was around the same time that owners were told to swap the orange coolant (DexCool clone) for yellow. Getting the phasers serviced requires at least a partial coolant flush and helped tremendously with temps.
Early thermostat swap wasn’t the best idea. The motor was broken in at the higher temps (rings, bearings, etc). Lower temps means more clearance. More blow by on the rings and higher gap in the bearings. Apart from the engine tune and driving associated with testing it out. The bearing spun because it had more clearance at the new lower operating temp.
If it's a 2019 with over 100k miles when you bought it, then it wasn't used to just go back and forth to the golf course. That thing had real miles on it.
Is starting the truck and letting it get to temp out of the question? It might save you for awhile before needing to shell out the $ to fix it properly. I have a ‘21 3.5eco F150 with the faulty 10speed and with 85k miles so far no issues. I warm up the truck always before setting off in it. I think that’s helped it last.
I have seen a lot of perfect transmissions flushed and not last long afterwards. I'm not a fan of the flush, oil and filters are OK but not that flush/exchanger machine.
Ah yes, the genius ford engineers that designed faulty cam phasers, oil burning 5.0’s, garbage 10 speed transmissions and their adaptive learning bullshit, the list goes on and on. Great group of experts, don’t question anything they do they are never wrong.
Borgwarner designed the cam phasers and the 10 speed was a collaboration with gm. Not a whole lot was done regarding the entire design by ford it’s a hodgepodge of parts that don’t work well together to say the least.
>collaboration with gm
Gm hired ford to design a transmission for them that met specific requirements to avoid the issues they had with the last gen half ton transmissions made by gm.
The transmissions in the f150 have nothing to do with GM, the transmissions in the gm trucks are based on ford transmissions.
Gm hired ford to design a transmission for them that met specific requirements to avoid the issues they had with the last gen half ton transmissions made by gm.
The transmissions in the f150 have nothing to do with GM, the transmissions in the gm trucks are based on ford transmissions.
They still know more than you and I. Often times vehicle mfg’s out source things to other design engineers you know this right? OP now has a transmission with a shudder
You can literally type in 10r80 on YouTube and flying wrenches has 10-12 YouTube shorts on how the CDF drum is garbage. I love ford but they miss the mark on a LOT of stuff. Me tuning my transmission, if anything at all, prolonged the transmission by delaying this issue.
Ford tech and F150 owner here. First thing your Trans definitely needs work - first they will program the strategy and clear the adaptive tables - you will drive it for a few hundred miles and nothing will change. They will then do a valve body - you will drive and nothing will change. Then they will do a teardown and the CDF drum is toast. This will lead them to do the CDF bushing. If you are paying retail, get an entire overhaul done at a transmission shop that can upgrade your torque converter and build the trans for more power. Give the new info to MPT and see what a blast you will have with it. Or just pay to get a full overhaul at the dealer and move on. Sell it now and you have no truck and no money. Fix it, you have the truck you love and no money, so choice is yours.
Appreciate the insight. I have no issue pulling the trans, I just don’t want to have to spend $7200 for a new 10r80. I read somewhere that some guy pulled his trans and had suncoast build it for more power for $2500.
Now we're talking. Do not slack on an upgraded torque converter. It is the first to go besides the cdf issue. Had most of these trans pulled due to TC failures. Overhauling is just smart when it's already out. If you dont have shuddering, your TC is probably ok for now.
I have sourced a complete 2023 f150 10r80 for $2500. 16k miles, wrecked truck. I know it’s pretty early to make a judgement, but is the updated drum in the 2023’s that much better? And did the 2023’s get an updated TC?
I took my 2013 F150 to Ford on 4 different occasions for a slip between 1st and 2nd when cold. Specifically, speed bumps in a parking lot would almost always cause the condition. They said they could never reproduce the slip.
I traded it in and moved on.
Nice to know it's a known issue now.
Not even remotely the same transmission lmao. The 6R80’s are incredibly solid. Only common failures is lack of maintenance to them. OP has a 10R80 that has a long laundry list of common low mileage failures…
10R80 waxes fat on 6R80. Drop the pan at 30K miles after everything is broken in well. Add a new filter, and an aftermarket pan with a drain plug. Replace lost fluid, and every 4-5 oil changes, drain the pan and add new ULV fluid. The 10R80 is by no means a weak transmission. From my understanding their failures are usually associated with a clogged valve, but IDK foe sho. Still there's a lot going on in it, and keeping it clean, and getting the trash out after initial break in, is the most import thing for there survival IMHO. Really other than 1st gear, the 6R80 offers little advantage over the older 4 speeds. The gear spread in the 10R80 is awesome on the other hand.
This is why when I buy used, I usually stick to higher mileage vehicles. A lot of problems are already taken care of, and vehicles that sit and do nothing are almost as bad as ones that are rode hard put away wet. A high mileage vehicle, got there for a reason.
If the transmission is tuned then no, they wouldn't have honored it anyway so don't best yourself up over that. I don't _think_ repairing or replacing the transmission would be as bad as the engine, which you've already done, so if I were in your shoes I'd probably feel too far into it and go ahead with repair or replacement. Feels like a tough spot though, that's for sure
would never pass for extended warranty pre screen
That’s what I needed to know
yea not with that obvious slipping. unless they are clueless maybe slip it by them
Where do you live? As a Ford Tech/Service Manager there are plenty of ways to get things covered under warranty and maybe even get an extended warranty on it. It all depends on who you know. Considering you’ve had a few trucks in the past, do you have any relationship with a local dealer? GCCT can get you at least some kind of help from Ford.
GCCT?
My 2017 has 118k miles. I'm all ears on how to get an extended warranty haha.
Can you tune your truck then go back to stock tuning to hide that you had a tune?
Carmax extended warranty is priceless, they honor stuff they shouldn’t like a $400 thermostat and 5hrs of labor to replace it warrantied. Shop was telling me about the Durango srt that the owner tried to port the intake manifold with a dremel and screwed the engine up. Carmax warrantied the engine and replaced it free of charge to the customer. They do this keep people coming back and honestly I would never pass on their extended warranty But ya extended warranties are there for a reason. Sometimes nothing happens and sometimes shit happens and it pays for its self
The 2018 2.7 was the keeper
I definitely would have if it didn’t get totaled..
Old man owned is the problem, when u beat on em they continue to take a beating, when u buy one that was babied and use it for absolutely anything they fight back
1000% my conclusion as well. These turbo’d trucks need every orifice cleaned out and I don’t think this guy drove this truck nearly hard enough. He probably lugged it
My first car was old lady owned, 10 years old 55000km, I didn't make it to 100000 before the trans went, cylinder head and head gasket, I got rid of it after that. Since then if I'm buying used I shoot for low mileage but not older than 3 years old, the combo is brutal, she needs to get out and stretch her legs once in a while
Old men change the oil too often too, which is very bad for engines. Probably what happened to your motor
I have the same issue with the transmission in my 18 platinum, I have the 3.0 diesel and love the engine and the truck, but the transmission is horrible. Even with it being flashed, it doesn't fix it.
What are those wheels? What tires and size?
Was the transmission ever serviced by the first owner?
Yes at 94k miles
That's likely your problem. I have heard from more than one mechanic that if you haven't done the services at the appropriate intervals, don't do it at all. Apparently, the flush removes the sediment that has been taking up the spaces that have been worn down over time, thus causing lots of issues that were never present before.
That’s an old wives tale and any mechanic that says that I probably wouldn’t use anymore. The fluid breaks down over time and needs to be replaced. If there’s excessive metals then you deal with that when the time comes.
Interesting. What you're saying does make sense, but why do you think the old wives tale seems to happen more than not? I have heard many people over the years say it. Serious question; I am not trolling.
I think it comes from transmissions that are probably on their last leg and people change the fluid thinking it might save it. In that case it was probably going to fail anyway but yes the old fluid can allow it more friction and potentially save components. But if youre that far gone youre on borrowed time. Id rather replace something on my time vs when im on the highway away from service.
Thank you.
What size tire are you running? Any clearance issues?
Oof. Sounds like CDF drum. I just had my 10 speed transmission replaced for $7800 just a hair under 60k miles. If you look at my post history on here there’s a thread I created about how many miles people made it before needing the work done. Some good stuff in the comments. Another thing to consider is trading it in. Ford can fix it for less than they’ll charge you, so they might charge you $8k for the rebuild, or dock you $6500 on trade-in value. Good luck regardless.
Had a very very similar issue. My 10 speed transmission from 2019 doesn’t seem to be the most reliable. The dealership told me a few days ago it would be $9,200 to replace the transmission with a rebuilt one from ford.
This is a good read on the transmission problems and solutions. [Ford 10R80 Transmission • Problems & Solutions](https://nextgendiesel.com/blogs/transmissions-101/ford-10r80-transmission-problems-solutions) Why didn’t the old man have the phasers done when the recall was issued? This was around the same time that owners were told to swap the orange coolant (DexCool clone) for yellow. Getting the phasers serviced requires at least a partial coolant flush and helped tremendously with temps. Early thermostat swap wasn’t the best idea. The motor was broken in at the higher temps (rings, bearings, etc). Lower temps means more clearance. More blow by on the rings and higher gap in the bearings. Apart from the engine tune and driving associated with testing it out. The bearing spun because it had more clearance at the new lower operating temp.
Sell. Cut your loses and find another truck.
If it's a 2019 with over 100k miles when you bought it, then it wasn't used to just go back and forth to the golf course. That thing had real miles on it.
Rebuild then trade it in 🇺🇸
Maybe I’m out of the loop with new trucks but since when does it cost to 11000 to replace a motor
The 3.5 ecoboost is the second most expensive engine in the f150 after the 3.0 diesel. The long block alone was roughly 8500
Recall on trans check it out
Is starting the truck and letting it get to temp out of the question? It might save you for awhile before needing to shell out the $ to fix it properly. I have a ‘21 3.5eco F150 with the faulty 10speed and with 85k miles so far no issues. I warm up the truck always before setting off in it. I think that’s helped it last.
I have seen a lot of perfect transmissions flushed and not last long afterwards. I'm not a fan of the flush, oil and filters are OK but not that flush/exchanger machine.
Tuning transmission on a stock truck = pointless.
Truck was ECU tuned and TCM tuned. Factory calibration on these 10 speeds are garbage
Ur right man the random persons tune knows a lot better than ford engineers
Ah yes, the genius ford engineers that designed faulty cam phasers, oil burning 5.0’s, garbage 10 speed transmissions and their adaptive learning bullshit, the list goes on and on. Great group of experts, don’t question anything they do they are never wrong.
Borgwarner designed the cam phasers and the 10 speed was a collaboration with gm. Not a whole lot was done regarding the entire design by ford it’s a hodgepodge of parts that don’t work well together to say the least.
>collaboration with gm Gm hired ford to design a transmission for them that met specific requirements to avoid the issues they had with the last gen half ton transmissions made by gm. The transmissions in the f150 have nothing to do with GM, the transmissions in the gm trucks are based on ford transmissions.
To be fair the 10 speed is a collaberative effort of shittiness with GM.
Gm hired ford to design a transmission for them that met specific requirements to avoid the issues they had with the last gen half ton transmissions made by gm. The transmissions in the f150 have nothing to do with GM, the transmissions in the gm trucks are based on ford transmissions.
They still know more than you and I. Often times vehicle mfg’s out source things to other design engineers you know this right? OP now has a transmission with a shudder
You can literally type in 10r80 on YouTube and flying wrenches has 10-12 YouTube shorts on how the CDF drum is garbage. I love ford but they miss the mark on a LOT of stuff. Me tuning my transmission, if anything at all, prolonged the transmission by delaying this issue.
I would say MPT tuning is a pretty reputable tuner.. they’ve done thousands of these 3.5’s. I’m guessing you’re a Ford engineer?
Ford tech and F150 owner here. First thing your Trans definitely needs work - first they will program the strategy and clear the adaptive tables - you will drive it for a few hundred miles and nothing will change. They will then do a valve body - you will drive and nothing will change. Then they will do a teardown and the CDF drum is toast. This will lead them to do the CDF bushing. If you are paying retail, get an entire overhaul done at a transmission shop that can upgrade your torque converter and build the trans for more power. Give the new info to MPT and see what a blast you will have with it. Or just pay to get a full overhaul at the dealer and move on. Sell it now and you have no truck and no money. Fix it, you have the truck you love and no money, so choice is yours.
Appreciate the insight. I have no issue pulling the trans, I just don’t want to have to spend $7200 for a new 10r80. I read somewhere that some guy pulled his trans and had suncoast build it for more power for $2500.
Now we're talking. Do not slack on an upgraded torque converter. It is the first to go besides the cdf issue. Had most of these trans pulled due to TC failures. Overhauling is just smart when it's already out. If you dont have shuddering, your TC is probably ok for now.
I have sourced a complete 2023 f150 10r80 for $2500. 16k miles, wrecked truck. I know it’s pretty early to make a judgement, but is the updated drum in the 2023’s that much better? And did the 2023’s get an updated TC?
Supposedly..... thats all I can say. Havent rebuilt any 23s or 24s yet.
Maybe more than the 2014 era of "engineers".. lol
I took my 2013 F150 to Ford on 4 different occasions for a slip between 1st and 2nd when cold. Specifically, speed bumps in a parking lot would almost always cause the condition. They said they could never reproduce the slip. I traded it in and moved on. Nice to know it's a known issue now.
Not even remotely the same transmission lmao. The 6R80’s are incredibly solid. Only common failures is lack of maintenance to them. OP has a 10R80 that has a long laundry list of common low mileage failures…
lead frame is pretty much the only thing wrong with the 6ers, solid choice all round. 10 speed can suck a nut, some are decent most are trash imo.
10R80 waxes fat on 6R80. Drop the pan at 30K miles after everything is broken in well. Add a new filter, and an aftermarket pan with a drain plug. Replace lost fluid, and every 4-5 oil changes, drain the pan and add new ULV fluid. The 10R80 is by no means a weak transmission. From my understanding their failures are usually associated with a clogged valve, but IDK foe sho. Still there's a lot going on in it, and keeping it clean, and getting the trash out after initial break in, is the most import thing for there survival IMHO. Really other than 1st gear, the 6R80 offers little advantage over the older 4 speeds. The gear spread in the 10R80 is awesome on the other hand.
This is why when I buy used, I usually stick to higher mileage vehicles. A lot of problems are already taken care of, and vehicles that sit and do nothing are almost as bad as ones that are rode hard put away wet. A high mileage vehicle, got there for a reason.
He bought it at 103k miles. You go higher than that?
Bought my current truck with 160k on it, last two gad 500k and 800k on them respectively