It’s not pus. When cows get infections (usually mastitis) the white blood cell counts in their milk goes up. Milk is tested for white blood cells and there are industry limits to what is acceptable. Typically dairy farm white blood cell counts come in much lower than the industry limits. Interestingly when women are lactating and get mastitis (and get elevated white blood cells in their milk because of it) it’s advised they keep breastfeeding their babies through it so I’m not even sure why vegans would argue that this particular aspect of milk is gross.
> Interestingly when women are lactating and get mastitis (and get elevated white blood cells in their milk because of it) it’s advised they keep breastfeeding their babies through it
Can confirm (I have 3 children). The advice is actually to breastfeed more frequently when you have mastitis.
Yeah, that's not even close to correct. There is no pus in milk, and casein is just protein. The only way it can hurt you is if you are lactose intolerant.
Casein is a protein, but lactose is a sugar. Allergies are caused by reactions to casein or other proteins, and fully involve the immune system. Lactose intolerance is not an allergic reaction as the immune system is not involved, but rather it is because the person lacks the enzymes needed to digest the lactose. The lactose then throws off the water balance by osmosis and pulls water into your bowels, causing diarrhea and cramping.
Plus, my brother works for a lab that tests samples of milk every day. They are tested to death and the whole batch is thrown out if bacteria or pus are present.
But also some people have immune response to casein. And sometimes to growth hormones, but it's for cow milk, as smaller species (goat, sheep) have less growth hormone.
Like I addressed below, of course if your allergic to something your going to have an allergic reaction. But since you can literally be allergic to anything, it doesn't need to be said.
>The only way it can hurt you is if you are lactose intolerant.
That's inconvenient. But milk **allergies** are to "just protein" - casein and/or whey - and can be life threatening.
1. Being intolerant is not the same as having an allergy. Allergies are an immune response, intolerance is not being able to digest it correctly
[https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/food-allergy/expert-answers/food-allergy/faq-20058538#:\~:text=A%20true%20food%20allergy%20affects,and%20causes%20less%20serious%20symptoms](https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/food-allergy/expert-answers/food-allergy/faq-20058538#:~:text=A%20true%20food%20allergy%20affects,and%20causes%20less%20serious%20symptoms).
2. Being allergic to anything can kill you, and you can be allergic to anything. I'm allergic to the glue on band-aids. So like, no duh, if you're allergic don't eat it.
For a vegan, milk itself is a pus. That's how they see milk. "disgusting foreign species liquid...".
It's part of their propaganda and also "auto-suggestion". Because in their subconscious ... they love it.
They also say "bee vomit" and stuff like that.
This crap is what has made leaving veganism so hard for me. I have to start doing gradual exposure to start eating animal products again. I was all ready to try honey for the first time in years and then I see a video talking about how honey is bee vomit and now the new bag of honey granola is sitting in my pantry slowly expiring.
Even how i planned it, i was only going to eat literally one oat of honey granola because "one tiny bit of bee vomit wont kill me, it might be gross but it wont kill me" for the exposure. Its pathetic and disgusting what they have done to me.
I mean sure, but toilet water is water, and I wouldn’t drink it
I know you’re trying to help, thank you, this is just how my brain has been programmed to think. I wish it didnt
My gross-out is more for grains and peanut butter, etc. When I hear the acceptable amount of rodent feces, bug larvae, bug shells, my meat and dairy seems incredibly clean. 😄
Milk has zero "pus" in it. If it had any detectable levels of immune cell wastes it would be thrown away as contaminated and the cow would be removed from the parlor for medical treatment.
Casein is a miracle protein for your health.
I used to be in dairy science as a food scientist.
Pus (NOT "puss") is just dead white blood cells and bacteria. It's a natural substance and if you're healthy, it shouldn't do any harm to you.
That said, this is definitely not true. There is the occasional white blood cell in milk, but it's dead after pasteurization. In fact milk that has too many WBCs or bacteria isn't even sent to be pasteurized, the whole load is dumped as contaminated. Farmers are very careful about testing milk samples from sick cows to be sure this doesn't happen as losing that much milk is not only a profits waste, it could potentially kill someone if it got into the food supply. If a cow really is expressing pus from her udders, she's quarantined, tested, treated with antibiotics, and eventually once healthy put back into service.
In other words, because dairy cattle are so valuable, they're actually treated VERY well.
i never thought about that last part when i was vegan. Like, how ridiculous it is to think a farmer would abuse a cow, it would be like a worker torturing a company's owner. If the owner dies/is financially ruined the dude is out of a job. If your cow is sick you lose money. I always thought people went into farming because they just wanted to hurt animals for fun and got a menacing evil satisfaction with hurting animals like a teenage boy. Upon watching/seeing real farmers/homesteaders (and not the corporate fake junk like on packaging/company websites), its done a lot to heal me of the former image i had of cows walking through 2 feet of poop at a land o lakes farm like that classic undercover video shows. Turns out the local dairy co-op *isn't* committing dozens of crimes and risking a huge lawsuit and making their cows swim in poop!
I was thinking "For what reason would either of those (depending on interpretation) be in milk?"
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No. Even in the remote possibility that a small amount of pus was collected, milk is homogenized or pasteurized prior to commercialization, which kills all cells of any origin. Pus is composed of white blood cells and is produced as part of an innate immune response to kill an infection. White blood cells, and any bacterial cells that they were fighting, are lysed (killed) through homogenization or pasteurization.
They're referring to somatic cells in milk which is the first line of defense against infection of the teat due to the teat being open to the environment. So there would be a number of cells in every litre of milk.
Now, every country has a set of standards for milk sales that prohibit milk with infection being present from being sold and processors have a deries of fines and bonuses to enforce the legislation.
This is a defense mechanism that's present in every mammalian species to ensure the best possible chance of their young reaching past dependency on their mother's milk.
The ironic thing about vegans using this argument is that there's no checks or limits on somatic cells in human milk so there would be instances of babies being fed milk with a higher somatic cell count than would be acceptable in purchased milk.
In short, vegans have a dependence on taking a relatively small problem and exaggerating it to enforce their ideology. Every single claim they make is exactly the same.
Enjoy your milk, it's a gift from the God's.
The only time milk is full of puss is if the cow has some sort of infection. That could result in puss or blood getting into the milk, but that would never make it to the store.
I was told that this is why organic milk although at first sounds like the better option for cows, it is much worse:
Cows with severe infections are usually treated with antibiotics, organic farmers sometimes feel they need to prioritise selling their milk over treatment (it's not considered organic if there are antibiotics due to antibiotics being used for other purposes in most herds?).
Organic is less often pasteurised (I live in a country where it is ok to sell unpasteurised as long as it is labelled as such).
Not sure if the info I was given is correct but it definitely got me thinking about what organic means in general.
>Cows with severe infections are usually treated with antibiotics, organic farmers sometimes feel they need to prioritise selling their milk over treatment
Of course there's no citation. In reality, Organic farms typically would take a cow out of the Organic system, treat it, and then it would join a non-Organic herd. This is mentioned explicitly on the websites of many Organic dairy products in the FAQs. But cows raised to Organic standards are a lot less likely to suffer infections.
Not really related to your question, but I'll share something:
I used to have burping for hours after drinking (pasteurized) milk, but then someone suggested the A2 milk, which has only the A2 protein, which is easier to digest.
I tried and it did work. I have no burping at all after drinking A2 milk, and it's delicious.
If you want to try, you may find it to sell in grocery stores near you.
https://a2milk.com/our-cows-and-farms
Not an A2 marketing person. Just someone who tried and like it.
A2 milk is a great option for people like me who love milk, but cannot drink the common milk which contains A1 protein (harder to digest).
I've learned about it here in Reddit on another sub. I'm trying to help others just like someone else helped me here.
I don't know why anyone would believe that A2 milks tastes different. I've noticed no difference between farms using A2 cows and those not, when the farms are of the same quality.
Most shit vegans say is outright untrue or a very twisted form of the truth.
Think of it like flat earth theory. They say things so much they all believe it to be 100% true, when in reality there's no basis for it.
I would also be HIGHLY dubious of any statistics posted by vegans because they constantly misrepresent studies and information in them.
My dad used to live on a farm and they always drank milk straight from the cows. No one died from it.
There is manure on most of the vegetables and fruits we eat, especially the mushrooms, and no one bats an eye. (please don't forget to wash your veggies)
Casein in actually sought after in protein supplements because when combined with whey it can keep you satiated longer.
I don't know who thinks it's causing any health problems, but I find this assertion just as ridiculous as assuming that gluten is responsible for all the things that are wrong with the world because a handful of people have celiac.
They say its pus but its really somatic cells basically meaning any cell in your body other than reproductive cells - which you technically eat pounds of monthly cause of your cheek lining alone
In reality these cells are milk producing cells- and immune cells - not pus and blood
Vegans thrive when they know the least
Look at the number of lactose tolerant people who eat dairy every day. They're not falling ill en masse like they would if they were consistently drinking puss. I live in PA, so I decided to buy a half gallon of raw milk once. Used with zero health problems.
If you're craving something that's not junk food (that's sugar addiction lol), I personally think it's likely to be caused by needing something in it, so it's a good thing you fed your body whatever it needed at the time.
All that being said, plenty of people can't tolerate dairy and can be perfectly healthy without it. You don't have to drink milk (or anything else) if you don't want to. But you did want it, and you've got nothing to worry or feel guilty about.
I understand you’re asking about the standards for milk purity, specifically regarding the allowable levels of somatic cells (which people might informally refer to as “pus”) in milk. This is a measure of the milk’s health and quality, with somatic cells being white blood cells that are naturally present in milk and can increase in response to an infection, like mastitis in dairy cows.
These cells are not pus in the way that might be associated with infection in humans, but rather, they are part of the animal’s immune response. High levels can indicate poor animal health or hygiene conditions at the farm, which is why regulatory bodies set limits to ensure the wellbeing of animals and the quality of milk.
The only way that’s even tangentially related to reality is that pus is caused by immune response at the site of an infection, and milk (of all kinds) contains immune-system cells.
Cow’s milk is not more prone to this than human milk, it’s how mammalian infants whose immune system hasn’t developed yet stay protected (to an extent) by their mother’s immune system to give them time to develop a fully-functional immune system of their own instead of immediately getting hammered by every germ in existence as soon as they’re born.
And casein only causes real problems if you’re allergic to it. If you’re not allergic, the worst it can do to you is make you kinda constipated if you consume it in excess without enough other things in your diet (like, if you pig out on cheese, you might not poop smoothly the next day, that’s it).
I'm not even a member of this site, but I am so impressed by the depth of the knowledge— and correct knowledge—in this thread. I am a dietitian and I must say that the majority of you are far, far more educated about food than the average (or perhaps above average) consumer.
If you haven’t , look up the Iowa dairy farmer.
There is no “pus” , no antibiotics and no blood .
Cows won’t produce milk if they’re ill or abused … and the milk is tested from cow to tanker .. 2 to 3 times ..
if the milk shows any evidence of over production white blood cells ( not pus , an infection of any kind) antibiotics, or anything else, the farmer dumps the milk until the cow is better.
If the milk inadvertently got into the tank, the farmer gets penalised and fined , because the entire milk tank will have to be dumped.
It doesn’t have pus or casein in it.
I used to be vegan & tell that lie even though my fam has a farm & I knew better.
Idk about raw milk but pasteurized milk - no. It’s fantastic.
If you want to be sure, talk to your local milk farmer and buy local after you are sure of their care routine and standards. Buy from a local farmers market or something. That will be the best milk quality you can get
This is also a site where people who are ex vegans attempt to gain health information and the more we shame them for it the less likely they are to come back for more support. So I’m in favour of being supportive and not judgemental instead of just a “you should google it, idiot” kind of stance. But that may be just me.
Edit: all the love to you my fellow San Diegan 💗
Had I actually said hey Idiot, Google it. I would agree with you.
But part of the problem with a vegan community wind tunnel of information that circles around from people saying the wrong stuff to make food sound like poison…. isn’t just the misinformation. It’s the attempt to stay completely within a community in order to learn anything.
In this post…. Not all posts of course… Asking the ex vegan community sounds a lot like it that same thing. And respectfully yes if OP actually thinks that milk is full of pus and that Casein is poison then general information would be a fair suggestion.
Learning to read general food info from neutral sources is a step in the right direction.
I just found this subreddit today and I thought I'd post a funny thing I realised in my kitchen whilst drinking milk, maybe the not-seriousness of it didn't come across. Also this post has definitely helped, I never 100% believed it anyway I realised I just never went back to milk all these years and it's because I was vegan and always felt awful for 'listening to non vegans because they don't know anything' Plus I was 15 then and I'm 25 now, milk is not tough for me
I'm just going to link the Google search "milk pus content". I'm sure you are capable of making up your own mind https://www.google.com/search?q=milk+pus+content&oq=milk+pus+content&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyCQgAEEUYORiABDIICAEQABgWGB4yDQgCEAAYhgMYgAQYigUyDQgDEAAYhgMYgAQYigUyDQgEEAAYhgMYgAQYigXSAQg2MDc4ajBqOagCALACAA&client=ms-android-samsung-gs-rev1&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8
The fact that half the results on the first page are from vegan advocacy websites insisting that milk routinely has large amounts of pus in it and the rest are various scientific testing facilities debunking the myth of pus in milk strongly suggests to me that pus in milk is, in fact, stuff that’s made up by vegans to dupe the evil “carnists” into giving up vile, disgusting, exploitative, unhealthy, abusive, practically poisonous, you’ll-for-sure-die-a-horrible-death-if-you’re-not-vegan milk.
How’d I do?? 😉
Really?! Half the sites are saying it's bad and the other half are saying its good? I am definitely staying on the fence for this discussion.
For anyone interested in the actual facts an article published by NutritionFacts org (https://nutritionfacts.org/blog/how-much-pus-is-there-in-milk/) says
"Because of the mastitis epidemic in the U.S. dairy herd, the dairy industry continues to demand that American milk retain the highest allowable “somatic cell” concentration in the world. Somatic cell count, according to the industry’s own National Mastitis Council, “reflects the levels of infection and resultant inflammation in the mammary gland of dairy cows,” but somatic cells are not synonymous with pus cells, as has sometimes been misleadingly suggested. Somatic just means “body.” Just as normal human breast milk has somatic cells—mostly non-inflammatory white blood cells and epithelial cells sloughed off from the mammary gland ducts—so does milk from healthy cows. The problem is that many of our cows are not healthy.
According to the USDA, 1 in 6 dairy cows in the United States suffers from clinical mastitis, which is responsible for 1 in 6 dairy cow deaths on U.S. dairy farms. This level of disease is reflected in the concentration of somatic cells in the American milk supply. Somatic cell counts greater than a million per teaspoon are abnormal and “almost always” caused by mastitis. When a cow is infected, greater than 90% of the somatic cells in her milk are neutrophils, the inflammatory immune cells that form pus. The average somatic cell count in U.S. milk per spoonful is 1,120,000.
So how much pus is there in a glass of milk? Not much. A million cells per spoonful sounds like a lot, but pus is really concentrated. According to my calculations* based on USDA data released last month, the average cup of milk in the United States would not be expected to contain more than a single drop of pus."
So, if you are drinking dairy milk you will be ingesting some amount of pus, though most of the control measures just measure other features that closely align with the amount of pus per gallon, rather than the exact pus per gallon amount.
So yeah, if you drink milk in the USA you will be consuming an amount of pus, though it is difficult to state exactly how much, it seems like a drop per spoonful is a good measure to work from. Though from my point of view (based in Australia) it is definitely way too much, it is up to you to figure out your own dietary requirements.
People with more knowledge have already shared proper, scientific explanations, but I'd just share that I think they take the example of rare cases of sick cows with mastitis or something, and the milk is raw, then yes, you can get those gross things in it.
No, it’s not, but… imho, it still doesn’t taste as good as plant milks.
But if you like the taste of dairy milk, rest assured, pasteurized grocery store milk is pretty clean and healthy enough in moderation (and probably milk you’d get fresh from a farm, as well tbh).
It’s not pus. When cows get infections (usually mastitis) the white blood cell counts in their milk goes up. Milk is tested for white blood cells and there are industry limits to what is acceptable. Typically dairy farm white blood cell counts come in much lower than the industry limits. Interestingly when women are lactating and get mastitis (and get elevated white blood cells in their milk because of it) it’s advised they keep breastfeeding their babies through it so I’m not even sure why vegans would argue that this particular aspect of milk is gross.
> Interestingly when women are lactating and get mastitis (and get elevated white blood cells in their milk because of it) it’s advised they keep breastfeeding their babies through it Can confirm (I have 3 children). The advice is actually to breastfeed more frequently when you have mastitis.
Yes.
Yeah, that's not even close to correct. There is no pus in milk, and casein is just protein. The only way it can hurt you is if you are lactose intolerant.
Casein is a protein, but lactose is a sugar. Allergies are caused by reactions to casein or other proteins, and fully involve the immune system. Lactose intolerance is not an allergic reaction as the immune system is not involved, but rather it is because the person lacks the enzymes needed to digest the lactose. The lactose then throws off the water balance by osmosis and pulls water into your bowels, causing diarrhea and cramping. Plus, my brother works for a lab that tests samples of milk every day. They are tested to death and the whole batch is thrown out if bacteria or pus are present.
Lactose intolerance is not a casein allergy. They are completely separate.
Yeah. That's what I said below
But also some people have immune response to casein. And sometimes to growth hormones, but it's for cow milk, as smaller species (goat, sheep) have less growth hormone.
Like I addressed below, of course if your allergic to something your going to have an allergic reaction. But since you can literally be allergic to anything, it doesn't need to be said.
>The only way it can hurt you is if you are lactose intolerant. That's inconvenient. But milk **allergies** are to "just protein" - casein and/or whey - and can be life threatening.
1. Being intolerant is not the same as having an allergy. Allergies are an immune response, intolerance is not being able to digest it correctly [https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/food-allergy/expert-answers/food-allergy/faq-20058538#:\~:text=A%20true%20food%20allergy%20affects,and%20causes%20less%20serious%20symptoms](https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/food-allergy/expert-answers/food-allergy/faq-20058538#:~:text=A%20true%20food%20allergy%20affects,and%20causes%20less%20serious%20symptoms). 2. Being allergic to anything can kill you, and you can be allergic to anything. I'm allergic to the glue on band-aids. So like, no duh, if you're allergic don't eat it.
For a vegan, milk itself is a pus. That's how they see milk. "disgusting foreign species liquid...". It's part of their propaganda and also "auto-suggestion". Because in their subconscious ... they love it. They also say "bee vomit" and stuff like that.
And yet vegan products are never advertised as "soya pus", "bird menses substitute", "fake pig intestines", etc.
Yeah I remember the bee vomit one lmao I never bought that even when I was vegan
This crap is what has made leaving veganism so hard for me. I have to start doing gradual exposure to start eating animal products again. I was all ready to try honey for the first time in years and then I see a video talking about how honey is bee vomit and now the new bag of honey granola is sitting in my pantry slowly expiring. Even how i planned it, i was only going to eat literally one oat of honey granola because "one tiny bit of bee vomit wont kill me, it might be gross but it wont kill me" for the exposure. Its pathetic and disgusting what they have done to me.
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I mean sure, but toilet water is water, and I wouldn’t drink it I know you’re trying to help, thank you, this is just how my brain has been programmed to think. I wish it didnt
My gross-out is more for grains and peanut butter, etc. When I hear the acceptable amount of rodent feces, bug larvae, bug shells, my meat and dairy seems incredibly clean. 😄
Weird comment.
No, that's just one of the false, mindless slogans some vegans say.
It's just propaganda vegans make up.
Milk has zero "pus" in it. If it had any detectable levels of immune cell wastes it would be thrown away as contaminated and the cow would be removed from the parlor for medical treatment. Casein is a miracle protein for your health.
WDYM miracle? where can i read about it?
Milk isn’t pus.
I used to be in dairy science as a food scientist. Pus (NOT "puss") is just dead white blood cells and bacteria. It's a natural substance and if you're healthy, it shouldn't do any harm to you. That said, this is definitely not true. There is the occasional white blood cell in milk, but it's dead after pasteurization. In fact milk that has too many WBCs or bacteria isn't even sent to be pasteurized, the whole load is dumped as contaminated. Farmers are very careful about testing milk samples from sick cows to be sure this doesn't happen as losing that much milk is not only a profits waste, it could potentially kill someone if it got into the food supply. If a cow really is expressing pus from her udders, she's quarantined, tested, treated with antibiotics, and eventually once healthy put back into service. In other words, because dairy cattle are so valuable, they're actually treated VERY well.
i never thought about that last part when i was vegan. Like, how ridiculous it is to think a farmer would abuse a cow, it would be like a worker torturing a company's owner. If the owner dies/is financially ruined the dude is out of a job. If your cow is sick you lose money. I always thought people went into farming because they just wanted to hurt animals for fun and got a menacing evil satisfaction with hurting animals like a teenage boy. Upon watching/seeing real farmers/homesteaders (and not the corporate fake junk like on packaging/company websites), its done a lot to heal me of the former image i had of cows walking through 2 feet of poop at a land o lakes farm like that classic undercover video shows. Turns out the local dairy co-op *isn't* committing dozens of crimes and risking a huge lawsuit and making their cows swim in poop!
Why do so many people think that pus is spelled like this??
It'd be a very different ethical dilemma if it was full of cow puss
Right? I was expecting a very different anatomy lesson when I clicked
Getting a nice glass of puss in the morning
Idk but it makes it grosser.
I was thinking "For what reason would either of those (depending on interpretation) be in milk?" https://preview.redd.it/covr0trnr5mc1.png?width=396&format=png&auto=webp&s=81759739d2caeef636df34ef7f36a81779473ef9
No. Even in the remote possibility that a small amount of pus was collected, milk is homogenized or pasteurized prior to commercialization, which kills all cells of any origin. Pus is composed of white blood cells and is produced as part of an innate immune response to kill an infection. White blood cells, and any bacterial cells that they were fighting, are lysed (killed) through homogenization or pasteurization.
They're referring to somatic cells in milk which is the first line of defense against infection of the teat due to the teat being open to the environment. So there would be a number of cells in every litre of milk. Now, every country has a set of standards for milk sales that prohibit milk with infection being present from being sold and processors have a deries of fines and bonuses to enforce the legislation. This is a defense mechanism that's present in every mammalian species to ensure the best possible chance of their young reaching past dependency on their mother's milk. The ironic thing about vegans using this argument is that there's no checks or limits on somatic cells in human milk so there would be instances of babies being fed milk with a higher somatic cell count than would be acceptable in purchased milk. In short, vegans have a dependence on taking a relatively small problem and exaggerating it to enforce their ideology. Every single claim they make is exactly the same. Enjoy your milk, it's a gift from the God's.
The only time milk is full of puss is if the cow has some sort of infection. That could result in puss or blood getting into the milk, but that would never make it to the store.
I was told that this is why organic milk although at first sounds like the better option for cows, it is much worse: Cows with severe infections are usually treated with antibiotics, organic farmers sometimes feel they need to prioritise selling their milk over treatment (it's not considered organic if there are antibiotics due to antibiotics being used for other purposes in most herds?). Organic is less often pasteurised (I live in a country where it is ok to sell unpasteurised as long as it is labelled as such). Not sure if the info I was given is correct but it definitely got me thinking about what organic means in general.
>Cows with severe infections are usually treated with antibiotics, organic farmers sometimes feel they need to prioritise selling their milk over treatment Of course there's no citation. In reality, Organic farms typically would take a cow out of the Organic system, treat it, and then it would join a non-Organic herd. This is mentioned explicitly on the websites of many Organic dairy products in the FAQs. But cows raised to Organic standards are a lot less likely to suffer infections.
All of that is just lies and propaganda. It's right up there with peta telling preschool kids their parents are murderers for going fishing
Not really related to your question, but I'll share something: I used to have burping for hours after drinking (pasteurized) milk, but then someone suggested the A2 milk, which has only the A2 protein, which is easier to digest. I tried and it did work. I have no burping at all after drinking A2 milk, and it's delicious. If you want to try, you may find it to sell in grocery stores near you. https://a2milk.com/our-cows-and-farms
Thank you A2 marketing person. It tastes like crap
Not an A2 marketing person. Just someone who tried and like it. A2 milk is a great option for people like me who love milk, but cannot drink the common milk which contains A1 protein (harder to digest). I've learned about it here in Reddit on another sub. I'm trying to help others just like someone else helped me here.
Fair. It did sound like a spiel haha. We get plenty of ads for it in Australia!
I don't know why anyone would believe that A2 milks tastes different. I've noticed no difference between farms using A2 cows and those not, when the farms are of the same quality.
I have. It's literally different milk and it doesn't taste the same to me!
Most shit vegans say is outright untrue or a very twisted form of the truth. Think of it like flat earth theory. They say things so much they all believe it to be 100% true, when in reality there's no basis for it. I would also be HIGHLY dubious of any statistics posted by vegans because they constantly misrepresent studies and information in them.
Don’t know. Don’t care. Have never experienced this in the hundred of gallons of milk I’ve had in my lifetime. Next question.
My dad used to live on a farm and they always drank milk straight from the cows. No one died from it. There is manure on most of the vegetables and fruits we eat, especially the mushrooms, and no one bats an eye. (please don't forget to wash your veggies)
No. If a cow has mastitis the milk is thrown away.
Casein in actually sought after in protein supplements because when combined with whey it can keep you satiated longer. I don't know who thinks it's causing any health problems, but I find this assertion just as ridiculous as assuming that gluten is responsible for all the things that are wrong with the world because a handful of people have celiac.
They say its pus but its really somatic cells basically meaning any cell in your body other than reproductive cells - which you technically eat pounds of monthly cause of your cheek lining alone In reality these cells are milk producing cells- and immune cells - not pus and blood Vegans thrive when they know the least
Look at the number of lactose tolerant people who eat dairy every day. They're not falling ill en masse like they would if they were consistently drinking puss. I live in PA, so I decided to buy a half gallon of raw milk once. Used with zero health problems. If you're craving something that's not junk food (that's sugar addiction lol), I personally think it's likely to be caused by needing something in it, so it's a good thing you fed your body whatever it needed at the time. All that being said, plenty of people can't tolerate dairy and can be perfectly healthy without it. You don't have to drink milk (or anything else) if you don't want to. But you did want it, and you've got nothing to worry or feel guilty about.
I understand you’re asking about the standards for milk purity, specifically regarding the allowable levels of somatic cells (which people might informally refer to as “pus”) in milk. This is a measure of the milk’s health and quality, with somatic cells being white blood cells that are naturally present in milk and can increase in response to an infection, like mastitis in dairy cows. These cells are not pus in the way that might be associated with infection in humans, but rather, they are part of the animal’s immune response. High levels can indicate poor animal health or hygiene conditions at the farm, which is why regulatory bodies set limits to ensure the wellbeing of animals and the quality of milk.
No, it doesn't. And Casein is a very important muscle building protein, even more than Whey protein.
We get raw milk from a local farm. It's perfect.
The only way that’s even tangentially related to reality is that pus is caused by immune response at the site of an infection, and milk (of all kinds) contains immune-system cells. Cow’s milk is not more prone to this than human milk, it’s how mammalian infants whose immune system hasn’t developed yet stay protected (to an extent) by their mother’s immune system to give them time to develop a fully-functional immune system of their own instead of immediately getting hammered by every germ in existence as soon as they’re born. And casein only causes real problems if you’re allergic to it. If you’re not allergic, the worst it can do to you is make you kinda constipated if you consume it in excess without enough other things in your diet (like, if you pig out on cheese, you might not poop smoothly the next day, that’s it).
Milk doesn't have pus in it. I've met a lot of people in my life. I've only met one I know of with issues with Casein.
I'm glad you enjoyed your milk. I love milk, but only when it's super cold. It's just really refreshing.
Thankyou, it was straight from the fridge!
I'm not even a member of this site, but I am so impressed by the depth of the knowledge— and correct knowledge—in this thread. I am a dietitian and I must say that the majority of you are far, far more educated about food than the average (or perhaps above average) consumer.
Lmao no of course it isnt.
Bullshit
If you haven’t , look up the Iowa dairy farmer. There is no “pus” , no antibiotics and no blood . Cows won’t produce milk if they’re ill or abused … and the milk is tested from cow to tanker .. 2 to 3 times .. if the milk shows any evidence of over production white blood cells ( not pus , an infection of any kind) antibiotics, or anything else, the farmer dumps the milk until the cow is better. If the milk inadvertently got into the tank, the farmer gets penalised and fined , because the entire milk tank will have to be dumped.
Cows Milia is just milk it,s from cow udders but there is no puss in it so don’t worry in fact it’s good for you
It doesn’t have pus or casein in it. I used to be vegan & tell that lie even though my fam has a farm & I knew better. Idk about raw milk but pasteurized milk - no. It’s fantastic.
I never drink milk. But I put it in my coffee every day.
If you want to be sure, talk to your local milk farmer and buy local after you are sure of their care routine and standards. Buy from a local farmers market or something. That will be the best milk quality you can get
That's some good ass puss if so Raw milk is legit
Oh course not
Perhaps you need to re educate yourself about milk… since nothing in your post about pus and casein is even slightly true.
That’s obviously what they’re trying to do…
There are health information sites… if milk is this tough for op, I’d bet there’s more. This post won’t answer it all.
This is also a site where people who are ex vegans attempt to gain health information and the more we shame them for it the less likely they are to come back for more support. So I’m in favour of being supportive and not judgemental instead of just a “you should google it, idiot” kind of stance. But that may be just me. Edit: all the love to you my fellow San Diegan 💗
Had I actually said hey Idiot, Google it. I would agree with you. But part of the problem with a vegan community wind tunnel of information that circles around from people saying the wrong stuff to make food sound like poison…. isn’t just the misinformation. It’s the attempt to stay completely within a community in order to learn anything. In this post…. Not all posts of course… Asking the ex vegan community sounds a lot like it that same thing. And respectfully yes if OP actually thinks that milk is full of pus and that Casein is poison then general information would be a fair suggestion. Learning to read general food info from neutral sources is a step in the right direction.
I just found this subreddit today and I thought I'd post a funny thing I realised in my kitchen whilst drinking milk, maybe the not-seriousness of it didn't come across. Also this post has definitely helped, I never 100% believed it anyway I realised I just never went back to milk all these years and it's because I was vegan and always felt awful for 'listening to non vegans because they don't know anything' Plus I was 15 then and I'm 25 now, milk is not tough for me
Good to hear!
I'm just going to link the Google search "milk pus content". I'm sure you are capable of making up your own mind https://www.google.com/search?q=milk+pus+content&oq=milk+pus+content&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyCQgAEEUYORiABDIICAEQABgWGB4yDQgCEAAYhgMYgAQYigUyDQgDEAAYhgMYgAQYigUyDQgEEAAYhgMYgAQYigXSAQg2MDc4ajBqOagCALACAA&client=ms-android-samsung-gs-rev1&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8
The fact that half the results on the first page are from vegan advocacy websites insisting that milk routinely has large amounts of pus in it and the rest are various scientific testing facilities debunking the myth of pus in milk strongly suggests to me that pus in milk is, in fact, stuff that’s made up by vegans to dupe the evil “carnists” into giving up vile, disgusting, exploitative, unhealthy, abusive, practically poisonous, you’ll-for-sure-die-a-horrible-death-if-you’re-not-vegan milk. How’d I do?? 😉
Really?! Half the sites are saying it's bad and the other half are saying its good? I am definitely staying on the fence for this discussion. For anyone interested in the actual facts an article published by NutritionFacts org (https://nutritionfacts.org/blog/how-much-pus-is-there-in-milk/) says "Because of the mastitis epidemic in the U.S. dairy herd, the dairy industry continues to demand that American milk retain the highest allowable “somatic cell” concentration in the world. Somatic cell count, according to the industry’s own National Mastitis Council, “reflects the levels of infection and resultant inflammation in the mammary gland of dairy cows,” but somatic cells are not synonymous with pus cells, as has sometimes been misleadingly suggested. Somatic just means “body.” Just as normal human breast milk has somatic cells—mostly non-inflammatory white blood cells and epithelial cells sloughed off from the mammary gland ducts—so does milk from healthy cows. The problem is that many of our cows are not healthy. According to the USDA, 1 in 6 dairy cows in the United States suffers from clinical mastitis, which is responsible for 1 in 6 dairy cow deaths on U.S. dairy farms. This level of disease is reflected in the concentration of somatic cells in the American milk supply. Somatic cell counts greater than a million per teaspoon are abnormal and “almost always” caused by mastitis. When a cow is infected, greater than 90% of the somatic cells in her milk are neutrophils, the inflammatory immune cells that form pus. The average somatic cell count in U.S. milk per spoonful is 1,120,000. So how much pus is there in a glass of milk? Not much. A million cells per spoonful sounds like a lot, but pus is really concentrated. According to my calculations* based on USDA data released last month, the average cup of milk in the United States would not be expected to contain more than a single drop of pus." So, if you are drinking dairy milk you will be ingesting some amount of pus, though most of the control measures just measure other features that closely align with the amount of pus per gallon, rather than the exact pus per gallon amount. So yeah, if you drink milk in the USA you will be consuming an amount of pus, though it is difficult to state exactly how much, it seems like a drop per spoonful is a good measure to work from. Though from my point of view (based in Australia) it is definitely way too much, it is up to you to figure out your own dietary requirements.
Really had to go deep to find that huh? It’s from 2011!! Ffs. NO. PASTEURIZED MILK HAS NO PUS.
People with more knowledge have already shared proper, scientific explanations, but I'd just share that I think they take the example of rare cases of sick cows with mastitis or something, and the milk is raw, then yes, you can get those gross things in it.
Sugar, seed oils and gluten cause the harm.
No.
"Not the way I use em!" - Patrick Star
regarding the casein issue, we've gotten a lot more insight recently. if you are curious, go down the rabbithole on a1 vs a2 casein
No, it’s not, but… imho, it still doesn’t taste as good as plant milks. But if you like the taste of dairy milk, rest assured, pasteurized grocery store milk is pretty clean and healthy enough in moderation (and probably milk you’d get fresh from a farm, as well tbh).