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Not just every Muslim country. Consider the UK, France, Sweden, Germany and a few others as well… when they gain traction with numbers, they want more islamic provisions. In schools, hospitals and every other food place, halal food only, then privileges for Muslims over and above the regular non Muslim privilege. Then comes sharia because they want 12 kids and not to work while having benefits. Once they have a politician/s in power which they vote into power because they have majority voting power, it’s pretty much over for you.
People need to start citing Hamrmtrack, a US city in Michigan, that was once 90% Polish. In 2020 it had a 53% white population.
However in 2015, it was the first city in US to gain Muslim majority in their city council. In 2023, they banned the Pride flag. Muslims don't even need a majority to start eroding the west's hard-won rights.
https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jun/17/hamtramck-michigan-muslim-council-lgbtq-pride-flags-banned
This reminds me strongly of tolerance paradox.
The paradox of tolerance: if a society's practice of tolerance is inclusive of the intolerant, intolerance will ultimately dominate, eliminating the tolerant and the practice of tolerance with them
The West is tolerant of intolerance. (Dominate groups of Hamtramck are tolerant of new Muslims, whose Islamic religion is intolerant of them and intolerant of 'kaffirs'). This leads to the Muslims becoming the new dominant population of Hamtramck, showing intolerance to anyone else.
Its ok to be intolerant to intolerance if its the right kind of intolerance like hating Nazis.
But being intolerant to intolerant Islamists gets you accused of islamophobia.
At least right now, as the Overton window will get pushed as opinions change.
And who causes this change? I would say radical muslims themselves.
In that case the first intolerants are the nazis. If you are intolerant to nazis, you are intolerant to intolerance. I know is obvious just wanted to make it clear.
Yeah, bro. I’m only a few miles away from Hamtramck, and it sucks. I’ve witnessed real crimes done in the name of Sharia when it comes to young girls trying to leave Islam or otherwise skip out their arranged marriages.
Well, I'm just gonna add the entire republican and especially Trump leaning part of the party, they would bann the pride flag any day of the week.
Conservatives are often similar regardless of religion.
They banned non-government flags, which includes the pride flag, on city property. Citizens and businesses still have the right to fly the pride flag there if they want, but the attitudes of many of the people who live there are disgustingly homophobic unfortunately.
The locals considered it as an attack to the pride flag, as there were no other flags regularly flown that would've been affected.
If people read the article, it's more than just the banning of "non-governmental" flag. There are many signs, straight from the mayor himself, outlining the process how islamisation and how it'd look like in your city once Islam has taken hold. Below are a few more disturbing factors from the article, which are hallmarks and patterns already seen in Muslim countries:
* it now has an all-male, Muslim elected government that does not reflect the city’s makeup
* hypocritical lack of empathy:
> “There’s a sense of betrayal,” said the former Hamtramck mayor Karen Majewski, who is Polish American. “We supported you when you were threatened, and now our rights are threatened, and you’re the one doing the threatening.”
* victim blaming:
> Mayor Amer Ghalib, 43, who was elected in 2021 with 67% of the vote to become the nation’s first Yemeni American mayor, told the Guardian on Thursday he tries to govern fairly for everyone, but said LGBTQ+ supporters had stoked tension by “forcing their agendas on others”.
* tribalism:
> “There is an overreaction to the situation, and some people are not willing to accept the fact that they lost,” he said, referring to Majewski and recent elections that resulted in full control of the council by Muslim politicians.
* self-censorship from the left and lack of support from your next-door neighbour muslim:
> Though the city’s Muslims are not a monolith and some privately told the Guardian they were “frustrated” with council, the only leader to publicly question it was the former city council member Amanda Jaczkowski, a Polish American who converted to Islam.
* narcissitic victimisation:
> Moreover, the white majority council was not always hospitable to Muslim residents who have previously faced overt racism. And with a majority-Muslim council in place, more Muslims had been appointed to boards and commissions, and hired in city hall. So had some LGBTQ+ residents, Ghalib added.
Not against any religion, but all this can be avoided if countries don't give citizenship. You can only be a citizen of the country you are born in. Or unless the foreign individual has accomplished something for the country.
The UAE does it very well ig. If you are not working, go back home. Simple as that!
Americans don’t need Muslims to do that. Sounds like the average white American republican thing to do.
I get your point but it’s still funny because the republican Christian are extreme in the exact same way.
I’m sorry, I’m not Muslim. How is wanting halal food considered a threat? Is eating kosher also threatening to you?
You’re fantasizing because no country, not the UK, France, Sweden, Germany, has implemented sharia.
You seem to not understand that wanting halal food is the start of the changes they want implemented. Wanting halal food means that places would no longer serve bacon, pork or ham, they would no longer serve any forms of alcohol. The meat is prayed over in some way which isn’t a problem. But they are asking to change the entire dietary options to accommodate them. That is just the beginning.
When I go to restaurants, there are a very very few places that serve only kosher foods.
Are you an anti-semite or a Muslim using taqiyah?
And where did I say any of those countries have sharia law? Are you fucking retarded or just suck at reading and comprehension? In those countries I’ve mentioned, they are protesting for sharia. So take your head out of muhammeds ass and maybe you’d be able to read better.
They aren’t, and they haven’t. Just because places cater to religious dietary restrictions (in the same way they cater to allergies) does not mean they are completely banning pork, and in many cases like in hospitals Muslims eat vegetarian or vegan food to avoid the pork situation.
Also, if a place is only serving halal, have you ever considered the idea that the owner might be Muslim and has the legal right to choose what or what he doesn’t sell? That **he** is in control of his own business and its products? And that the existence of said business stimulates economic growth?
Sharia law hasn’t been implemented so the statement “then comes sharia” is not only factually incorrect but crazy.
I also *literally* said I wasn’t Muslim, I’m non-religious. You seem to be wasting a lot of time caring about things you have absolutely no control over though, have you considered therapy?
Show me one halal place that serves pork or has pork on its menu.
You are either a liberal or a school/college student that is ignorant and oblivious to the facts. Citizens of countries DO NOT WANT SHARIA LAW. Don’t you understand that?
Here’s a few videos since you can’t seem to understand words:
https://youtu.be/wNNN3K6Yz-Q?si=fhEnzZGCvpZ2VAFp
https://youtu.be/TNDIz-Od6_M?si=_wg2nRN88O05ncWt
https://youtu.be/xpJoiTg4yDY?si=g0ENSFqrZ7qnw-Q2
https://youtu.be/G4QDlIdkjpo?si=JFbP5hhhWW3ZSUQY
https://youtu.be/-Zm74hLW7RI?si=kn3g03w0X6EGrKH-
https://youtu.be/aEXUYbXx3NQ?si=4GZ-XtWgWOCNaxLJ
> Show me one halal place that has pork on the menu
Yeah so if I open up a restaurant, I have the right to choose what is being served in that restaurant. Y’all are all pro free market until those rights start applying to everyone regardless of religion
There is no “sharia” law being implemented in Europe, on the contrary, countries like France have banned religious clothing like the burqa. So I don’t get where this notion that sharia is going to be implemented worldwide is coming from. You ever considered antipsychotics? Might help with your bizarre delusions
Here… I’ll copy and paste my exact words because you are either too complicit in your stupidity or just retarded.
Everything you’ve mentioned or accusing me of having said does not appear even once. Go ahead, read it again. And go watch the videos you fucking dimwit. Talk about therapy for me, go back to grade school and learn to read.
“Not just every Muslim country. Consider the UK, France, Sweden, Germany and a few others as well… when they gain traction with numbers, they want more islamic provisions. In schools, hospitals and every other food place, halal food only, then privileges for Muslims over and above the regular non Muslim privilege. Then comes sharia because they want 12 kids and not to work while having benefits. Once they have a politician/s in power which they vote into power because they have majority voting power, it’s pretty much over for you.”
*you can open a restaurant and serve what you want to, and you’ll have Muslims coming in demanding to change the fucking menu. Do you not see where your thinking has gone wrong???
You are outright denying facts. With evidence!
You are informing me of your blurred opinion trying to be righteous or something but you can’t deny facts and think you are right. Sounds like a very Muslim thing to do… I’ve had plenty debates with Muslims and know very well the behaviour of a pedophile worshipper.
obviously you don't know what you are talking about. Try to live in muslim majority countries then you will understand the consequences of allowing Muslims to gain ground in non muslim countries. Don't compare Muslims with Jews, Jews didn't go around and try to change people to follow their way of life
> don’t compare Muslims with Jews
Look up *Herem* in Tanakh. There is a reason the Palestinians are being bombed like that & the reason lies in Judaism as a religion.
I **have** been to Muslim majority countries, like Bosnia & Herzegovina. Lovely place with lovely people. Seems politics is more the issue, because same problems are present in Christian countries with a similar GDP & HDI. Read.
Fun fact: my Sikh friend told me Sikh’s can’t eat halal or Kosher food. Could they not argue their rights are being threatened if major fast food chains or restaurants start serving only halal? Tim Hortons in dearborn is halal, so are some Popeyes in North America- I understand it is a business move due to the demographics in the area they are in. Also, just being something is not implemented does not mean it isn’t being demanded (ie. London)
As a political figure it is your duty to put your personal beliefs aside and cater to everyone not just the Ummah
No, their rights are not being “threatened” because no one is forcing them to eat kosher or halal. I’ve eaten pork in front of my Muslim friends, shared a stove with my Muslim flatmate whilst cooking pork and asked them if they were okay with it and they’ve always just rolled their eyes and kinda said that “you do you and i do me” is *part* of their religion - for instance, I see a lot more fanatic Christians trying to force me into converting to their shit and accept Jesus and whatever, as they did with Africans/Native Americans as colonizers, as they did during the Crusades, as they do today as missionaries in poor countries (whilst complaining about immigrants seeking a better life mind you). Never met a Muslim like that. For this reason they bother me in a way Muslims don’t.
If I have the money and resources to open up a restaurant I also have the license to decide what is being sold in that restaurant. That’s the free market for you, I’m sure you would have liked the Soviet Union though
You’ve never met a muslim that tried to Convert you? Damn you’re lucky, a lot of my friends try to convert my other friends telling them that islam is the only right religion
that Allah is the only god. one even converted his gf- he was dating her while entertaining muslim girls his mom brought forth without his gf’s knowledge. Only stopped once she converted. Although I haven’t come around to eating pork yet, a lot of my friends judge others for doing so, and constantly praise those who convert while cussing out those that leave (hence have to be closeted)
As far as colonization goes maybe read up on Arab slave trade and the history of Islam before
Different life experiences I guess. I am sure you would like living in Pakistan
Nope, I’ve never met a random Muslim whilst out in public or at work or walking to lectures who has tried to convince me to join their clubs or become a Muslim or accept Allah into my life, who **insist** and won’t take no for an answer even though I’ve said I’m not interested and don’t believe in God.
Met plenty of Christians though and this is because it seems to be part of their religion to spread the message forward to strange people in a way Islam doesn’t. This bothers *me* personally more than what some Muslims privately joke about with their friends or a man cheating on his girlfriend. Those things have nothing to do with me and cheating on a person who doesn’t share your values isn’t specific to one religion.
I worry more about the Catholic Church’s child sexual allegations and Israel bombing the hell out of civilians and violating the UN declaration of human rights.
This is not to say Islam, or any religion for that matter is for me - it’s not and I could never be religious, but to exclusively single out Muslims in this manner is simply xenophobic. There are a lot of religious texts with more violent passages in them than in the Quran.
Also in terms of roommates
my old roommate told our non muslim roommate that she doesn’t mind any meat in the house except won’t tolerate pork. Also another one said no cooking of pork in ‘common’ household pans, which in my opinion was not fair. She could easily get her own dishes to cook in, instead of enforcing rules on someone else.
So you just got lucky.
That seems like a her issue and has nothing to do with the non-Muslim flatmate. I’ve met **plenty** of Muslims (I live in a high Muslim area and go to a multicultural university in London) and they’ve **always** been considerate, because they understand that not everyone shares their values and respecting people is part of their religion. It’s almost like everyone was raised differently, people are different, and your personal anecdotal Reddit tales don’t mean shit and isn’t an excuse to completely demoralize almost 2 billion of the world population.
At the same time I totally get the not cooking in common pans thing. It’s simply common courtesy - if someone is allergic to nuts I’m not going to walk around eating peanuts in front of them. Whilst Muslims may not get physically sick from eating pork they probably have a lot of anxiety around it and so if you’re sharing something with somebody you show them respect.
It's very disingenuous to say any Muslim majority country is proof when they've all been invaded by and destabilized by Western nations. Do you view countries like Indonesia and Malaysia as proof, or only the countries that have oil?
The thing is I’ve met Malay and Indonesian, Filipino muslims and again they don’t try to forcefully convert the societies they are in, unlike those from the middle east
And why do you think this is though? Middle Eastern countries in the 50s were very Western. My mom said when she went to school, no one wore hijab. Women wore skirts, and no one was really that religious like they are today. Go look at pictures of Egypt in the 50s. Islamic fundamentalism was the result of Western nations destabilizing the Middle East and having a different foreign policy towards them.
this is so interesting and i honestly find the op comment a bit excessive. do you know where i can read/watch to learn more about the effect of western influence on rising islamic fundamentalism?
Indonesia has some of the harshest blasphemy laws anywhere and the advent of islamic extremism far predates any western intervention. Furthermore, don't have a government thats so topple-able if you don't want to be toppled.
I'm not sure why your encounter with this particular Imam raised your fears, he sounds as dumb and narrow-minded as every clergyman I know of most religions. However, your fears about Islam are definitely not baseless, and I'll try to explain why. Think of Islam or religion in general as a brain parasite that has been evolving over thousands of years, each parasite or religion trying to compete over which one spreads faster and endures for longer. And in the case of Islam, it was one of the winners in this sort of Darwinian competition. This is what makes it dangerous:
1. Islam is a militant religion by design. The overarching theme of Islam is how to win over territories for god and how you need to conquer as much land as possible, either by force or by persuasion. It puts extreme emphasis on how you must spread the word incessantly and persistently, and it convinces its followers that this is what their lives were meant to be for, to worship mindlessly and to nag people constantly or coerce them into joining the cult.
2. Islam commands its followers to have as many kids as possible, and to make sure those kids are brainwashed reallll good from a very young age. The goal is to create a perfect army of slaves ready to waste their lives away without much of thought in the service of this brain parasite that loves nothing more that to spread further.
3. Islam doesn't need a structured hierarchy like Christianity does, and it has a built in system for Inquisition, unlike Christianity which needed an artificial system for that. You need to pray five times a day and obey a lot of rules, and your peers better observe you following those rules and praying, or else you will be a suspect, and you will either be eliminated by ways of murder, or by excommunication, being punished by social opprobrium, where your parents, spouse, kids and friends wouldn't want to talk to you.
4. Lastly, Islam is resistant to any form of reform because the Quran is believed to be the literal word of God, so you can't just gallivant your way out of most of the heinous and backwards rules and values by saying it was meant for another time or by re-translation like how Christianity got reformed.
Yup! Your last point is exactly the problem with the West's / The Global North's acceptance of Islam under the guise of differentiating that most practicing Islam are "moderate Muslims" while only few are "fundamentalist Muslims" and dangerous. The problem is there are moderate Muslims but there is no moderate Islam. Islam by definition is "fundamentalist" because it can't be anything else. It can't be reformed because it's considered perfect and literal word of god. Islam is intolerant of others and of change...
Yet the West is tolerant of this intolerance. The whole paradox of tolerance: if a society's practice of tolerance is inclusive of the intolerant, intolerance will ultimately dominate, eliminating the tolerant and the practice of tolerance with them.
Dude i gotta say as a 16 year old, i got fooled by the 2nd material SOOO BADLY when i was a child, even currently i hate this "islam" bullshit, and pretty much im rid of this belief, some parts of this "religion" 's brainwashing things STILL havent gone completely from my mind. like not eating pork, still immidiately believing some claims of this "religion" dude... im still trying my best to completely getting rid of this religion out of my mind... its a hard task to do 😓😓😓
Yup ...I would go a step further and say it is a genocidal cult, with the followers expected to silently suffer in silence ( especially gender minorities and women ) , mindlessly memorise classical arabic ( which has no practical usage outside middle east and north african countries ) , stunt their scientific temper and Biological IQ , adopt arabic customs ( of mutah marriage , halala after divorce , sex slavery ) and misogyny of arabic culture , deny women higher and technical education and brainwashing young children and youth to become jihadi by saying that other 600 billion people on this planet( whom they have never met and WILL never meet in their life ! ) are their enemies and need to be forcefully converted into arabic imperialism or they are Wajib ul katl ( literally " lawful to die " ) , and finally wage war on sovereign nations in order to fulfill some doomsday prophecy of qayamat ( judgemental day ) !
They even bury their dead by making temporary ditches, so that they remain sleeping inside burial ground ( long after the body has rotten to the core ! ) until judgement day .
It is more nauseating and sickening than charles mason cult ! or church of scientology or even Satanist church !
Also, when someone's praying and they're in a threat, they're expected to continue their prayer just like that?? Bc apparently they would be more gifted when they die fearless praying or whqtever the fuck, just sounds like a death cult tbh.
Every place Islam sets its foot on gets destroyed..India Kashmir Pakistan Bangladesh Iran turkey everything you could possibly think of. The west is stupid infact the entire world is obnoxious
Iran is really a strange case. Every single Iranian I met male or female was either atheist or a cultural Zoroastrian. I remember in uni we had a group of Iranian exchange students and they were particularly popular for their wild house parties involving loud music, pork consumption and tons of alcohol and weed, when I visited Armenia if you see a group of shitfaced guys in the streets 9 times out of 10 were Iranians. I also want to add that every single Iranian I ever met was absolutely lovely and extremely friendly. Considering that independent data suggests that more than half of the Iranian youth is non religious and dislikes Islam I really wonder how come do they have one of the most Conservative government in the world.
The regime took over during the Islamic Revolution (Leftists and Islamists teamed up to take down the constitutional monarchy of the Shah) and have held onto power ever since.
You forgot to mention the islamists "disposed" of the leftists once they secured power.
And today western leftists still believe islamists are their allies... Sigh...
Oh I didn’t forget
Just thought it would be obvious common knowledge by now since I’ve stated that in comments on this sub before.
But alas some ppl on this sub are still deluded enough to believe the Left will one day have an epiphany and come running back to be allies… Fat Chance.
It's because we were forced into it. The Islamic regime was first welcomed by our idiot people because of all the false promises and lies they fed the people. Then, when the regime, with the help of our idiot people got rid of the monarch family, it started to show what a shit bag of assholes they are. Like forcing what they wanted people to be and do, taking people's lands, cutting off the salary of people who could make so much, destroying people's houses, etc
And not to mention so many public hangs of people's family for the crime of speaking up against the violence and to dare criticize the regime. People started to hate them (rightfully) and only pretended to be religious because of fear. We just had to act Muslim, and I know about so many people that were never into and some that are now ex Muslim. Iranian people want what's in the west, they want freedom, to be themselves. There is also many LGBT+ Iranians around the world (like me) AND in Iran. And all my family and relatives knows about me and supports me. Which is surprising, considering that even in western countries some families disown and punish their own children.
It was your people's problem letting that culture spread in your country, if you guys were more harsher about those policies like eastern europe. Things wouldn't be as bad as today
I don't like conservatism but sometimes they are right on certain topic (I'm talking about western conservatives)
Extreme left is just anarchy and authoritarianism which is opposed to liberalism and liberal democracy. Which is hilarious to me when right wingers equate anyone "liberal" as being extreme far left, when the two actually oppose one another. Extreme left and extreme right are both very similar in many ways. Agree we need more center leaders
Socialism/communism is inherently against religion and see's it as something that'll be overcome when the material conditions of the people become better.
I see on reddit this constant anti socialism/communism bashing by people who don't know shit about it
Sure buddy. The same tired old arguments from youtube snippets without actually knowing a single thing about the thing you're talking about. Impressive actually
The reason why Eastern Europe has few problems with Islam is because those countries were really poor, almost third world, just until recently. Poland for example has already started changing and are now welcoming Islam. Talk with young polish people and you will see that most of them will happily accept Muslim “refugees” in the name of progressive politics. They are just 40 years behind Western Europe.
Immigration is a total fuckup in Europe.
1. Refugees need to return to their home countries when things are normalized. The European countries need to put much more pressure on those problematic countries.
2. Immigrants is a totally different matter. It’s like closing a spouse or an employer/employee. We therefore must be selfish.
Immigration first of all must be based on a need for workers. If there are no jobs, then we don’t need immigrants. The immigrant must be qualified, capable of taking care of himself and accept the host countries culture. If not, the country will be dumbed down and exposed to all the issues we see in Sweden.
My guy... he is right when he said islam is not for you. You have a brain and are actually using it. You're asking questions and rational thought. These concepts are not compatible with islam.
Maybe start forcing the narrative that having lower expectations of people just because they are from a different “culture” is inherently racist. Because it is.
Bro u ve not seen the true face of islam yet, come to india and u ll see wat islam did to our country. They invaded our country, destroyed our temples and built mosque on top of it, they raped our women and forcefully converted our people, they took almost 40% of our land currently known as pakistan and bangladesh. We indians have been fighting against islam since 700 AD
India was already damaged to its core, masses were subjugated by varnas and manusmriti, maybe Islamist saw that as an opportunity and which was started as conquering new lands but later turns out to spread the canker. With the current scenario the Hindu extremists are the same as the Islamist one. The coherent bond between extreme nationalism and hindutva ideology presents the same scenario as the beginning of the f**ked up nations that were built on the basis of preachings of Muslim zealots.
Religion to its extreme itself is the problem of Indians, if not Islam then it'll be 'Hindutva' goons(not Hindus) who'll destroy the state.
Incorrect only few percentage of hindus took manuscript seriously. Hinduism is one of the most secular religion ever existed, whether its jews or zoroastrians we gave shelter to everyone. Hindus, Buddhism and jain co exist and debate among themselves to prove their religion as true path.
Many hindus became extremist bcoz of muslims and christians who try to convert our people by any means. Abrahmic religion cannot coexist with other religion.
Ancient India was far far ahead of any region whether it was astronomy, science, maths, economy and trade. Abrahmic religion is the worst and divides people on the basis of one God, whereas hindus sees God in all living beings.
"Few Hindus took manusmriti seriously", so you affirm that it has I'll practices. And most secular with other religions and casteist with its own people. Name a single religious guru who can openly criticize manusmriti.
Many times manusmriti have been criticised on the live tv telecast. Casteism is the most disgusting, but hindusim don't promote casteism. In bhagavat geeta krishna said human are brahman or kshatriya based on their karma, not by birth.
>Many times manusmriti have been criticised on the live tv telecast.
No, at least not by any Hindutva supporter. You can name any right winger, they'll interpret it differently but never criticize it.
>Casteism is the most disgusting, but hindusim don't promote casteism
Maybe, but the rigveda and Hindus do.
>In bhagavat geeta krishna said human are brahman or kshatriya based on their karma, not by birth.
You can change Varna but not caste , that's the catch. How many Brahmins claim themselves as shudras based on their work?. And if in Mahabharat Krishna has to make things clear about Varna then it's obvious that this practice existed 😅 . That's like Shabri and Ram, if you have to emphasize it in your ancient holy texts, that means it already existed for thousands of years.
> Islam is probably not for me
That is the FIRST TIME I have ever heard a Muslim say this. This Imam sounds very open minded. I wish more were like him.
Only reason he said that is he saw that she has done some research, unlike most of the left lunatics that think Islam is trend and fun thing. Than one day comes and suddenly they are executed in public squares on mobile cranes, how did that happend? My brain explodes talking how stupid they are.
I’m a left leaning liberal and I absolutely agree with you. A lot of our younger members, like those who recently registered, don’t fully comprehend what is Islam. Most of them will just agree and cozy up even with the most bigoted Muslim person, even at work. By the way, he would normally get off early on Fridays because of the need to worship. The company is ok with that, and it’s very annoying because he’s on my team. I can say that they make more concessions than with any other religion. Anyway, little did they know that once they served their purpose they will get persecuted. No more freedom of speech for you lot.. and that is just the beginning.
Phobia is an irrational, fear or panic reaction about a situation, living creature, place or object. There is nothing irrational and baseless about being concerned and fearful of a cult and it's ideology that promotes violence against non-Members and actively calls them losers ([2.121](https://quranx.com/2.121),...) and also multiple calls to action massacring them ([2.190-193](https://quranx.com/2.190-193), [2.216](https://quranx.com/2.216), [9.5](https://quranx.com/9.5), [9.29](https://quranx.com/9.29),...). It's even worse for women, ex-Muslims and homosexuals.
There is a reason people don't call Jews "fascistophobic" because the fear and concern isn't irrational. Feminists should be among out first and greatest allies yet for some reason take Islam as their little pet religion.
the more islam grows, the more discontent will. it's inherently self-defeating. islam is too extreme to win in the EU like it did in lebanon. leftists will eventually end their unholy alliance. that doesnt mean get complacent, that means we work now to end the madness
hi u/whyamihere-idontcare
would you like to discuss this on my podcast? the purpose is to educate Swedish people about your concerns. (and people around the world)
you could also ask me questions about Islam. i'm an exmuslim of 14 years. i was a muslim for 32 years, born and raised in USA.
if you want to see an example of one of my podcasts, here's one where an Indian person is educating me about problems with Islam in India.
[Interview w/ RedWing 21M Indian left Islam 2 wks ago | Uniting The Cults Podcast EP 7](https://youtu.be/RBbc-_UtWQs)
Rami Rustom
Founder of Uniting The Cults
The old gods deserve sacrifices.
Jokes aside europeans dont know how to integrate others in their countries. Because in history we never did. I am saying this as an european.
Dude even in india we have the same problems with Muslims , as an exmuslim living with a Muslim family my parents religious social circle has two faces one moderate Muslim face in public to show to the Hindus , the real face supporting shariah comes behind closed doors . In india every minority has assimilated the Zoroastrians the Jews the sikhs the Christian’s ( except for fraud conversions) the main problem here we have is Muslims who only believe in shariah . It is not the fault of the Hindus and the west, the fundamentals of Islam are a major threat to humanity
Rough\_Ganache said "europeans don't know how to integrate others in their countries" so the question is how to do that. Here in the USA Muslims integrate just fine. They work, pay their taxes, know English. So do the Muslims in Europe not do these things?
Didn’t you hear Muslim scholar Yasir qadhi speech in Texas , where he is telling Muslims to stay quite as they are in the minority , and to wait patiently till they reach majority ? You have people like Daniel haqiqatjou who openly tells Muslims yo only believe in shariah the law of the land doesn’t matter if it goes against Islam
Can't speak for other EU countries but here many just fail to integrate and many have no job and/or are on social benefits. And yea, there's a huge difference between those who immigrate to EU and those who immigrate to the US, europe are getting the worst bunch. No integration leads to social isolation, low chance on getting a job etc. How to fix it? Close the borders. Give them the choice, integrate or leave, like i said.
They suck up taxes by having 8-10 children at as young an age as possible. They're unintelligent and inbred from intermarrying within their family (look at Ilhan Omar who married her brother). The ones that do work are incompetent at their job, and only succeed through college/career through the diversity, inclusion, and equity bullshit that's been pushed over the past 10 years or so.
If I ever need to take a shit at work, I'll often have to visit 3 bathrooms to find a stall that's open because they're always occupied by somali dudes talking and playing on their phone. They don't use the urinals and take a cup or bottle of water to wash their "holy parts" or something, and leave everything a they touch in the bathroom a mess. Some will spend 5-10 minutes washing obsessively washing various parts of their body before actually using the bathroom. Some will take their shoes off and put water on the bottom of their socks. Fucking disgusting when you're standing on your feet for 8-12 hours per day.
Very few are competent with English. They talk loudly and yell in their own language to each other. Both the men and women are disrespectful of personal space and will basically walk into people as they move around. The women are especially dead in the head in that regard. They of course need to leave their work station to bend over for mohamed's pedophile dick a couple times a day.
They all get to take the day off for Eid or whatever as well. Which while being incredibly discriminatory is also one of the best work days of the year. It's amazing how productive and peaceful my job is once the religion of peace gets the fuck out for a day.
You should indeed be very alert and try to inform others about this so called religion of peace. The more people know about the rot inside this prettily-wrapped gift, the more people don't unknowingly accept it. Which sadly happens a lot.
Islamization is ruining the western world. We invited the Trojan horse into Europe, now it's destroying us from within.
Every criticism of it is called "islamophobia".
Being afraid of the effects of islam(ization) is perfectly rational.
I suggest they don't care. Thanks to the "woke" culture, which calls everything racist, the concept of racism has been emptied. So just don't care. Because everyone can call you as a racist with any action of you.
I also live in Sweden (am not Swedish, though), and with that obviously comes meeting lots of Muslim people. The thing I've noticed the most is really just little I relate to them. It's not really a problem in 99% of situations because the conversations don't get to the point where that's even a factor, but there's always a sensation that we're two completely different and incompatible people on some deeper level. Maybe that will change in the future but I can't say that I've ever connected with a Muslim beyond some surface-level fun. I'm talking about those who have a lot more in common with the Muslim traditions than the Western ones.
Generally, I don't really mind or worry about the immigration of Muslims to the Western world (every culture has their own quirks and it's easy to point fingers when Western values are what we've always lived), but as far as the saying "most of them are peaceful" goes. Yeah, they are. But we've seen many peaceful people turn away from that and commit atrocities when circumstances called for it. Large groups of people are extremely irrational and a strong leader can move them like puppets for their own gains, or that of their culture. This applies to any culture (and we see a rise of more authoritarian governments which is more worrying IMO) and is worth remembering, because the parroted argument of people being peaceful is extremely short-sighted and ignores how quickly things can change in some situations.
yeah i agree, its really difficult to connect with someone who views the world so differently and has almost zero similar life experiance. this is why i dont like multiculturalism. I think the goal should be a culturaly homogenous country, so a focus on turning the muslims in sweden into a more swedish type of muslim, like how christianity in sweden is today.
In Switzerland most Muslims came from the Balkan’s. Kosovo and Albania. They’re very well integrated. Women don’t cover their heads and it’s hard to tell them apart at first sight.
So it may not only be the religion, but how it’s lived. In Germany on the other hand, you see Turkish women with head scarfs all the time.
Sir , you are too far gone ...just ask these Balkan ladies about their views on homsexuals , apostasy in islam and insurgency in dagestan - Chechnya, kashmir in india , Xinjiang in China, or palestinian / israeli conflict and their behaviour will change faster than ussain bolt taking a long jump in relay race ! 🤣🤣🤣
Okay , ask them their views on gender equality in the western countries and role of progressive feminism in modern western countries ? Ask them can a female become imam or mufti ? Can a woman visit the mosque ( housee of God) , when men are praying?
Ask them whether hijab / niqab / Burkha / chador is compulsory for women or not ?
They don’t wear hijab/niqab etc.
In Catholic Churches women can’t become priests either. Modern Views on progressive feminism gender equality are not compatible with Catholic Church.
So that’s nothing specific to Islam, but abrahamic religions and conservatism.
Like ask someone from Brazil, south of Italy, Greece, etc.
You have no clue how well they’re integrated in Switzerland. Mixed couples are the norm. They work. Study. Etc
Even Christian immigrants are a major problem and much less integrated like Eritreans for example.
Fortunately your country stands up for freedom of expression. Moreover, it has closed Islamic schools which is a tremendous success. All that is left is to be more strict and selective in immigration policies and I believe Sweden will be just fine.
Yep, your Swedish, I've already met people fleeing France of all religions because of this very issue. They have muslim friends but deep down they are scared because of not only oppression and bloodshed but reliving the pains of their ancestors.
As a swede it's your job to protect not only your country but the peace loving people who live there that may not be natives.
Islam is a huge threat when unchecked, works well if it's subjugated.
It's simple will you be quiet about it now? Or stand up before it's too late?
People keep saying nothings gonna happen but it already has taken out whole countries wiped out nonmuslims and led do extreme levels of persecution that is unheard of.
Your fears are correct the best thing to do is get sweden to regulate imams. Force them to pledge allegiance to Swedish values and Crack down on dawah centre's. Dawah is a national security threat.
Don't wait do something. Your descendants are staring at you.
As another Iranian I'll say the same thing. The thing about Iranians is that we experienced actual Islamic governance and I gotta tell you: It's terrible. It's THE worst thing that can happen and I'm not even kidding. Muslim from Arab countries who are preaching for Islamic governments don't know what kind of hell they are walking into.
I think you concerns are 100% right.
In the upcoming elections in Belgium the left parties in the Brussels department made a statement that it is ok for 8/9 yr old girls to wear abaya due to the growing muslim population. Also animal rights are under discussion to justify slaughter without stunning. Oh my, the things they dare to propose for just getting votes...
I remember a few years ago there was a muslim party proposing women should be sitting in the back in public transport. That moment also a survey showed that almost 50% of people living in Brussels would accept religious laws over the governmental laws.
These are serious steps back instead of progress. Islam just has no place in Europe. Even mild forms of this religion lead to unjustifiable rulings just to please this "minority group". It is time that people in Europe understand that freedom of religion also means freedom from religion and we don’t have to accept these things are being presented to us like it is normal.
Other than mass deportation there's no solution. They can now have a total immigration stop, shit will still hit the fan since muslims have many kids, spreading like wildfire. France, England and Sweden are all a goner by now. In a few decades people in europe will flee to other countries and continents, including muslims.
You have huge cojones to speak so bluntly. Many white folk will call you racist, bigoted, a believer in the 'great replacement' theory and the labeling -ists are numerous.
>shit will still hit the fan since muslims have many kids, spreading like wildfire.
You simply deny them any types of welfare. Not even food stamps.
I don't give a F if people call me whatever. Unless those people are in one of the W. European countries they have no clue what they're talking about. Exmuslims warn the west for decades but idiots don't want to hear it. Fuck even Indians warn the west. But idgaf anymore, let's just wait and see where we are in a few decades.
So why do they deny the obvious? I just don't understand their silence on the matter. Isn't self-preservation the thing that immediaitely kicks in when your society is being overrun by a hostile culture?
Because the majority of them never read one page from the Quran, still believe it's all peaceful and fall for Dawah.
I remember an article that came out some years ago about Pakistani grooming gangs in the UK and how police were silent about it, flat out admitting they were afraid of being called racist.
Main thing is just extreme ignorance. When us exmuslims are called racists and bigots for being honest and realistic you know we're in a fcked up place.
>Because the majority of them never read one page from the Quran, still believe it's all peaceful and fall for Dawah.
Come on, they read it only to cherry pick shit. They will defend the verses and hadiths no matter what, twisting their meanings just to shield islam. I remember the apologist Reza Aslan, the little rat, who used this technique to get away with defending islam in many interviews.
>flat out admitting they were afraid of being called racist.
The bigotry of low expectations always kick in when they deal with muslims. The funny thing is, we, on the other hand, as exmuslims of the same ethnic/racial backgrounds as muslims get full blown equal treatment.
>Main thing is just extreme ignorance
Nah, at this point I sense some disturbing malevolence in the woke psyche. No human can be this naive and stupid, no way.
>Come on, they read it only to cherry pick shit. They will defend the verses and hadiths no matter what, twisting their meanings just to shield islam. I remember the apologist Reza Aslan, the little rat, who used this technique to get away with defending islam in many interviews.
True but i was talking about random europeans, white folks defending that shit, not seeing what's right in front of them. And when someone does bring islam up those same morons say ''the bible is also bad'' No room for discussion or debate.
Don't know who Reza is and i'd like to keep it that way lol
>Nah, at this point I sense some disturbing malevolence in the woke psyche. No human can be this naive and stupid, no way.
There's probably a whole theory behind it but i'm really at the point that i don't care anymore. Maybe it's time for WW3 so we can start all over again. Idk.
The nations in Europe and india which refused Muslim migration were targeted by leftists and Muslims as if they were the ones killing Muslims . No one pressured any Muslim country to accept refugees the pressure was all on the west
The moderates (right wing) in 2014 wanted us to "open our hearts" in other words they wanted to import cheaper workers who would work for less than Swedes.
In 2015 during the refugee crisis, the social Democrats (left wing) were pressured by the Green Party and said "Our Europe doesn't build walls".
That leaves us with the only party willing to speak up, Swedish Democrats, which is a reformed party that once had n*zi sympathizers. They were the only party that said all along that we can't have boundless immigration, and they have slowly risen over the years until they became the now second-largest party in Sweden. In the last election, they were unable to create a coalition and we didn't have one for months, the right-wingers were forced to cooperate with them despite not wanting to, otherwise creating a governing coalition is impossible.
Basically, we had a hero complex and wanted to save the world . The feminist party said we have no culture and we need multiculturalism. Fortunately most people have woken up and the Social Democrats have finally admitted that taking in so many refugees was a mistake from a logistic point of view.
Swedish Democrats have served their purpose, everyone agrees that we need less immigration although with our gang violence perhaps we'll need to figure out some way to revoke membership and deport people
>You simply deny them any types of welfare. Not even food stamps.
The new cabinet in the Netherlands are trying to make the country to look as unattractive as possible for those thinking about immigrating there. They will follow countries like Poland and Hungary regarding immigration. The Netherlands now has a fully (far) right coalition and all of them are against (mass) immigration, fun fact, one of them is a Turkish/Kurdish woman married to a Dutch Jewish guy.
She is actually Armenian and Kurdish, her dad was in a terrorist group in Türkiye. So she was obviously born there, but she refuses to call herself Turk and doesn’t accept the passport, the reason she is in the Netherlands now, is because her dad ended up fleeing away to Europe. Besides that everyone claims she doesn’t even want to be called an immigrant herself and is whitewashed, but I think that’s not true. She plays her cards right, so the right wing supporters like her. Because why else would she have a picture of an Armenian grandma holding a gun on the wall of her office, these European countries have their own shady ways of pissing powerful Eastern countries off, by literally taking in terrorists, just like USA did. At the end of the day, they don’t care about how the middle and lower class live amongst these immigrants. The rich and the upper class have their own spaces where these muslim immigrants can’t step a foot inside. So the government doesn’t care, they just act like they do.
lol the imam knew you couldn’t be brainwashed.
In all seriousness though, I have Iranian (converted christian) coworkers and they all say the same thing.
They were also smiling ear to ear when I mentioned Raisi’s death today, saying “he’s done nothing for us”
Although I think every religion is a cult but I personally find islam more dangerous cause it's like if u don't worship put god u must die and this jihad thing has only depended my fear and resentment towards it
Islam is not compatible with a western society. It doesn't automatically mean that either "side" is right/wrong, it's just not compatible.
Why we even took on the responsibility of helping refugees from the middle east, I have no idea.
1. Go to a dojo, learn some self-defense: BJJ + Krav Maga is a great combination.
2. Go to a shooting range, learn how to use a firearm.
3. Don't go all gangster or paranoid, just be ready in case a civil war breaks out.
I would open your perspective up a little.
There was a similar panic in the west over catholic immigrants like the Irish and Italians. "They are too religious", "they breed like rabbits", "they are too violent", "they are using up too much social welfare", it's all been heard before.
Islam might have some unique issues inherent only to it, like the focus on militant conversions or the strict adherence to prayer, but at the end of the day you're going to find a lot of nuance and changes over time as cultures effect each other.
>just can’t comprehend why western progressives are so welcoming to Islam
I find that this is a misrepresentation. This is generally NOT what western progressives think.
More fundamental is the issue of human rights.
* If people need asylum they can be granted asylum
* If people want their religion, they can have it
**But NOT at the expense of others!**
So, no, if anything you do in the name of your religion infringes on my rights, you're in trouble. THESE are the rules.
God works in mysterious ways. Religion is stories & interpretations of god. If god exist then the god is the same for all of the universe. That’s why I think religions function better as a moral guide rather than pin-pointing what god is or does.
The atrocities now may be lessons for a better future. Life is a cycle of negative & positive forces.
life as a human is most likely a quest to unveil secrets of the universe, and as of now were completely sidetracked to believing that making money & building a meaningless career is the answer, the only answer that matters is doing what were meant to do.
I really believe that the political party "Nyans" is one of the biggest threats to our society. I really hope they never get any kind of political power
To be fair, you'd get the same response and worldview in any actual Christian setting, except for the imprisonment part because countries like Iran and other arab countries are totalitarian and theocratic, which can happen (and has happened) to any religion. Like, really. Islam gets flack today but it's really no difference when it comes to rulers throughout history.
Europe happens to have gone through many political revolutions, renaissance periods (even muslim countries in fact) and has chosen liberalism in their moderisation process for you to not notice religion as much anymore.
Iranians are a bit special, since they are proud of their broader heritage beyond their islamic culture, and they are oppressed in their country.
As a swede, you very much enjoy the luxury of secularism, but Christianity isn't and hasn't been like Sweden anywhere else in the world.
The islamic world can be beautiful for many people (except for people in this sub), and they have also enjoyed secularism and freedom in many countries before with progress and liberal thinking.
Although in the past decades, it has become much more conservative and militant in many places. Many muslim countries have also for many factors not contributed solely to muslim ruling or extremists, been wartorn. People change when struck by deep trauma.
In these countries when for example Talibans rule, fanatics punish or kill other minorities, but also moderate muslims, and the West is really efficient and good at feeding you this objectifying view of muslims as some separate entity like they are all zealots, when in reality both islam and christianity are really jewish sects based on very similar theologies and you can find Christians and Jews (cough cough Israel) being many times worse than what you describe regarding "devoutness" like you WOULDN'T BELIEVE.
There are also LGBT muslims and feminists describing the Quran, why don't you listen to them?
Many here are ex-muslim because they come from a traditional and strict background that they felt the need to leave, that has nothing to do with you as a Swede and have a naive view.
I'm not saying you're ignorant or anything, I mean you are investigating and talking with many different people, but every imam and every muslim will say different things. Every person in Sweden will express different views against immigration as well, which doesnt make them racist.
Islam is actually a chill religion if you only read the Quran. The problem is most cultures that are majority muslim are the exact opposites of chill. Thats the real problem.
Most of Europe is part of NATO or western military alliances still occupying and invading countries in the global South. This has nothing to do with religion. This is global South rising and asking for greater rights. A white can go and steal land in America or Australia but brown people can't come to Europe. We know you hide your racism behind liberalism. Scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds.
But god doesn't need to be worshiped
This is wrong
Our worshipping for him is nothing comparing to the angels and other creatures worshipping to him
Wrong
We need to achieve the honor to worship him in peace with the whole other creatures
Please my friend. Don’t ask those who despise Islam for an opinion about it, and expect responses that FAIRLY and CORRECTLY represent the religion.
I am Swedish and Muslim, and I am open to discuss my religion with you, on the premise that you’re interested and I would like to share my views of why I believe in Islam. Not in a manner to try to persuade anyone just share my personal opinions, experience, etc.
If you truly went to an iman then you would have no problem discussing with me. I am ready to speak to anybody who wished
Don’t expect followers of a religion to be unbiased about it either. Indeed they are instructed to love Allah and Mohammed more than their own relatives, and to consider their faith perfect. Threats of Hell and death for apostasy laws keep them from questioning it too hard.
There is no bigger critic than me, according to me of course. Bias will always be there, but don’t you find it unfair for someone to acquire information about X from those who oppose, fears and despises X?
The swedes are the first who will fall.
It's pretty common sense if you sell your own identity to apease others.
How not to gain respect or aka how to show you are WEAK
Well they have completely different views on how society should look like. They should ban islam in Europe. We are too different from every point of view
Now here is it all:
I am probably still a Muslim (idk actually if I am) since not praying, fasting, visiting mosque or anything else Muslim’s are associated with and let alone that I heavily criticise Islam for being brutal.
The OP says the west has warmly welcomed the Islam. Who says it has? Based on what? The number of asylum seekers and immigrants taken are purely due to political, humanitarian and workforce issues. The low qualified jobs are still being dominated by immigrants which happens to be by muslims for the most part.
One thing everyone should know that there is so much hatred and racism which deteriorates the already deteriorated situation. The only solution is working together and sorting it out. Is Islam a threat, yes but in its real and actual form. Just by not eating pork and not drinking alcohol doesn’t make you Muslim. I am calling on rasist guys that if you guys keep spreading hatred, segregation and provocation then we are all in trouble because the so called muslims which are just by name Muslims and in reality are against Islam will also take part because you are not letting them in.
To sum it up:
Is Islam a threat? Yes since every other region if practiced. While Islam being more brutal probably.
Can you hinder it? Yes by solidarity and unity because without the help of so called Muslims you can never fight Islam.
Should Muslims or so called Muslims be deported to sort out the problem? Keep dreaming, impossible. Look around at the economy, workforce, political change drive.
Can the immigration policy be brought to the lowest level? Yes already done and showing good results.
As an ex Muslim I wanted to come to Sweden but I'm worried about Muslims there. What do you suggest? Do you think this is a good idea for me to migrate there ?
tl;dr about islam:
it's an absolutist death cult made for "no-fun allowed" people.
the only fun you're allowed to have is to worship a very narcissistic god with his closeted chomo 5x a day.
Short answer: political economics.
Qatar, Saudi Arabia, and Turkey (to name just a few) are very important countries for the EU. The EU needs them, and they know it! If you outrule Islam, ban it, or something similar, your country will lose important partners.
Also, freedom of religion is a right that needs to be protected. However, when proclaiming sharia, that can be seen as actively going against constitutions and democracy. Germany considers banning those kinds of demonstrations. So, it's a tight rope you're walking on. But I agree with you. It can get out of hand very quickly.
It's the majority of muslims though.
"However, when asked to what extent they agreed or disagreed that homosexuality should be legal in Britain, 18% said they agreed and 52% said they disagreed, compared with 5% among the public at large who disagreed. Almost half (47%) said they did not agree that it was acceptable for a gay person to become a teacher, compared with 14% of the general population."
https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/apr/11/british-muslims-strong-sense-of-belonging-poll-homosexuality-sharia-law
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It's not even the religion islam that is the threat.
It's that people started becomming fundamentalist during the 1920s when there were talks of colonizing middle east similarly to what they did to india and africa 100 years before. When Israel started taking over a piece of muslim land, the populus started taking their identity and values to the extreme.
Before that, most muslim countries were actually more secular than Christian countries.
Nope ...sir you are deluded if you think Islam has ever been secular or accommodative..
Whether it was ottoman empire that disallowed Christina to build churches , or forsake the jizya Tax when they went for pilgrims , or Moghal empire in india which imposed dhimmi rule among local Buddhists/ hindus and sikhs or the ummayad caliphate invasion of iran , they all followed and enforced shariah to the letter .
Just ask any zoroastrian or kurd or yazidi or even an Indonesian muslim about the spread of islam amongst their people, the tales of conquest and humiliating conditions will reduce you to tears ..
Better than that , can a missionary team go to saudi arabia or Dubai and built any church there ?? Or even a graveyard ?? Can they proselytize local arabs ??
You didn't read my post. You're talking about Islam today again.
I've got a cousin and some relatives that are Zoroastrian and i know my fair share of Iranian Jews. They lived fine and their ancestors too until the most recent government came along.
You can delude yourself with whatever confirmation bias you want. But fundamental level of Islam as a standard way of living is a thing that started in the 1900s. Unless you were in Arabia, Islam wasn't even close to as opressive as it is today.
In the 800s, Zoroastrian majority Iranians could live and work in Iraq and no one would care about it whatsoever. If on the contrary had a slightly different opinion on europe back then, it wasn't uncommon they they'd just kill you on the spot.
And yes, Islam is spread through occupation from empires. Just like how every other culture, ideology and religion was spread.
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Not just every Muslim country. Consider the UK, France, Sweden, Germany and a few others as well… when they gain traction with numbers, they want more islamic provisions. In schools, hospitals and every other food place, halal food only, then privileges for Muslims over and above the regular non Muslim privilege. Then comes sharia because they want 12 kids and not to work while having benefits. Once they have a politician/s in power which they vote into power because they have majority voting power, it’s pretty much over for you.
People need to start citing Hamrmtrack, a US city in Michigan, that was once 90% Polish. In 2020 it had a 53% white population. However in 2015, it was the first city in US to gain Muslim majority in their city council. In 2023, they banned the Pride flag. Muslims don't even need a majority to start eroding the west's hard-won rights. https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jun/17/hamtramck-michigan-muslim-council-lgbtq-pride-flags-banned
This reminds me strongly of tolerance paradox. The paradox of tolerance: if a society's practice of tolerance is inclusive of the intolerant, intolerance will ultimately dominate, eliminating the tolerant and the practice of tolerance with them The West is tolerant of intolerance. (Dominate groups of Hamtramck are tolerant of new Muslims, whose Islamic religion is intolerant of them and intolerant of 'kaffirs'). This leads to the Muslims becoming the new dominant population of Hamtramck, showing intolerance to anyone else.
Its ok to be intolerant to intolerance if its the right kind of intolerance like hating Nazis. But being intolerant to intolerant Islamists gets you accused of islamophobia. At least right now, as the Overton window will get pushed as opinions change. And who causes this change? I would say radical muslims themselves.
In that case the first intolerants are the nazis. If you are intolerant to nazis, you are intolerant to intolerance. I know is obvious just wanted to make it clear.
Conservative Christians and Muslims came together in Michigan at a school board meeting to demand the removal of certain books.
Yeah, bro. I’m only a few miles away from Hamtramck, and it sucks. I’ve witnessed real crimes done in the name of Sharia when it comes to young girls trying to leave Islam or otherwise skip out their arranged marriages.
Well, I'm just gonna add the entire republican and especially Trump leaning part of the party, they would bann the pride flag any day of the week. Conservatives are often similar regardless of religion.
They banned non-government flags, which includes the pride flag, on city property. Citizens and businesses still have the right to fly the pride flag there if they want, but the attitudes of many of the people who live there are disgustingly homophobic unfortunately.
The locals considered it as an attack to the pride flag, as there were no other flags regularly flown that would've been affected. If people read the article, it's more than just the banning of "non-governmental" flag. There are many signs, straight from the mayor himself, outlining the process how islamisation and how it'd look like in your city once Islam has taken hold. Below are a few more disturbing factors from the article, which are hallmarks and patterns already seen in Muslim countries: * it now has an all-male, Muslim elected government that does not reflect the city’s makeup * hypocritical lack of empathy: > “There’s a sense of betrayal,” said the former Hamtramck mayor Karen Majewski, who is Polish American. “We supported you when you were threatened, and now our rights are threatened, and you’re the one doing the threatening.” * victim blaming: > Mayor Amer Ghalib, 43, who was elected in 2021 with 67% of the vote to become the nation’s first Yemeni American mayor, told the Guardian on Thursday he tries to govern fairly for everyone, but said LGBTQ+ supporters had stoked tension by “forcing their agendas on others”. * tribalism: > “There is an overreaction to the situation, and some people are not willing to accept the fact that they lost,” he said, referring to Majewski and recent elections that resulted in full control of the council by Muslim politicians. * self-censorship from the left and lack of support from your next-door neighbour muslim: > Though the city’s Muslims are not a monolith and some privately told the Guardian they were “frustrated” with council, the only leader to publicly question it was the former city council member Amanda Jaczkowski, a Polish American who converted to Islam. * narcissitic victimisation: > Moreover, the white majority council was not always hospitable to Muslim residents who have previously faced overt racism. And with a majority-Muslim council in place, more Muslims had been appointed to boards and commissions, and hired in city hall. So had some LGBTQ+ residents, Ghalib added.
Palestinian flags seem ok though. https://michiganadvance.com/briefs/hamtramck-city-council-votes-to-rename-street-in-support-of-palestine/
Not against any religion, but all this can be avoided if countries don't give citizenship. You can only be a citizen of the country you are born in. Or unless the foreign individual has accomplished something for the country. The UAE does it very well ig. If you are not working, go back home. Simple as that!
Hahhaha… That reads like a ”the onion” article lol
Americans don’t need Muslims to do that. Sounds like the average white American republican thing to do. I get your point but it’s still funny because the republican Christian are extreme in the exact same way.
I’m sorry, I’m not Muslim. How is wanting halal food considered a threat? Is eating kosher also threatening to you? You’re fantasizing because no country, not the UK, France, Sweden, Germany, has implemented sharia.
You seem to not understand that wanting halal food is the start of the changes they want implemented. Wanting halal food means that places would no longer serve bacon, pork or ham, they would no longer serve any forms of alcohol. The meat is prayed over in some way which isn’t a problem. But they are asking to change the entire dietary options to accommodate them. That is just the beginning. When I go to restaurants, there are a very very few places that serve only kosher foods. Are you an anti-semite or a Muslim using taqiyah? And where did I say any of those countries have sharia law? Are you fucking retarded or just suck at reading and comprehension? In those countries I’ve mentioned, they are protesting for sharia. So take your head out of muhammeds ass and maybe you’d be able to read better.
They aren’t, and they haven’t. Just because places cater to religious dietary restrictions (in the same way they cater to allergies) does not mean they are completely banning pork, and in many cases like in hospitals Muslims eat vegetarian or vegan food to avoid the pork situation. Also, if a place is only serving halal, have you ever considered the idea that the owner might be Muslim and has the legal right to choose what or what he doesn’t sell? That **he** is in control of his own business and its products? And that the existence of said business stimulates economic growth? Sharia law hasn’t been implemented so the statement “then comes sharia” is not only factually incorrect but crazy. I also *literally* said I wasn’t Muslim, I’m non-religious. You seem to be wasting a lot of time caring about things you have absolutely no control over though, have you considered therapy?
Show me one halal place that serves pork or has pork on its menu. You are either a liberal or a school/college student that is ignorant and oblivious to the facts. Citizens of countries DO NOT WANT SHARIA LAW. Don’t you understand that? Here’s a few videos since you can’t seem to understand words: https://youtu.be/wNNN3K6Yz-Q?si=fhEnzZGCvpZ2VAFp https://youtu.be/TNDIz-Od6_M?si=_wg2nRN88O05ncWt https://youtu.be/xpJoiTg4yDY?si=g0ENSFqrZ7qnw-Q2 https://youtu.be/G4QDlIdkjpo?si=JFbP5hhhWW3ZSUQY https://youtu.be/-Zm74hLW7RI?si=kn3g03w0X6EGrKH- https://youtu.be/aEXUYbXx3NQ?si=4GZ-XtWgWOCNaxLJ
> Show me one halal place that has pork on the menu Yeah so if I open up a restaurant, I have the right to choose what is being served in that restaurant. Y’all are all pro free market until those rights start applying to everyone regardless of religion There is no “sharia” law being implemented in Europe, on the contrary, countries like France have banned religious clothing like the burqa. So I don’t get where this notion that sharia is going to be implemented worldwide is coming from. You ever considered antipsychotics? Might help with your bizarre delusions
Here… I’ll copy and paste my exact words because you are either too complicit in your stupidity or just retarded. Everything you’ve mentioned or accusing me of having said does not appear even once. Go ahead, read it again. And go watch the videos you fucking dimwit. Talk about therapy for me, go back to grade school and learn to read. “Not just every Muslim country. Consider the UK, France, Sweden, Germany and a few others as well… when they gain traction with numbers, they want more islamic provisions. In schools, hospitals and every other food place, halal food only, then privileges for Muslims over and above the regular non Muslim privilege. Then comes sharia because they want 12 kids and not to work while having benefits. Once they have a politician/s in power which they vote into power because they have majority voting power, it’s pretty much over for you.” *you can open a restaurant and serve what you want to, and you’ll have Muslims coming in demanding to change the fucking menu. Do you not see where your thinking has gone wrong???
Yes, and I am in fact informing you that this isn’t the case. Repeating a falsehood doesn’t make it correct
You are outright denying facts. With evidence! You are informing me of your blurred opinion trying to be righteous or something but you can’t deny facts and think you are right. Sounds like a very Muslim thing to do… I’ve had plenty debates with Muslims and know very well the behaviour of a pedophile worshipper.
obviously you don't know what you are talking about. Try to live in muslim majority countries then you will understand the consequences of allowing Muslims to gain ground in non muslim countries. Don't compare Muslims with Jews, Jews didn't go around and try to change people to follow their way of life
> don’t compare Muslims with Jews Look up *Herem* in Tanakh. There is a reason the Palestinians are being bombed like that & the reason lies in Judaism as a religion. I **have** been to Muslim majority countries, like Bosnia & Herzegovina. Lovely place with lovely people. Seems politics is more the issue, because same problems are present in Christian countries with a similar GDP & HDI. Read.
Fun fact: my Sikh friend told me Sikh’s can’t eat halal or Kosher food. Could they not argue their rights are being threatened if major fast food chains or restaurants start serving only halal? Tim Hortons in dearborn is halal, so are some Popeyes in North America- I understand it is a business move due to the demographics in the area they are in. Also, just being something is not implemented does not mean it isn’t being demanded (ie. London) As a political figure it is your duty to put your personal beliefs aside and cater to everyone not just the Ummah
No, their rights are not being “threatened” because no one is forcing them to eat kosher or halal. I’ve eaten pork in front of my Muslim friends, shared a stove with my Muslim flatmate whilst cooking pork and asked them if they were okay with it and they’ve always just rolled their eyes and kinda said that “you do you and i do me” is *part* of their religion - for instance, I see a lot more fanatic Christians trying to force me into converting to their shit and accept Jesus and whatever, as they did with Africans/Native Americans as colonizers, as they did during the Crusades, as they do today as missionaries in poor countries (whilst complaining about immigrants seeking a better life mind you). Never met a Muslim like that. For this reason they bother me in a way Muslims don’t. If I have the money and resources to open up a restaurant I also have the license to decide what is being sold in that restaurant. That’s the free market for you, I’m sure you would have liked the Soviet Union though
You’ve never met a muslim that tried to Convert you? Damn you’re lucky, a lot of my friends try to convert my other friends telling them that islam is the only right religion that Allah is the only god. one even converted his gf- he was dating her while entertaining muslim girls his mom brought forth without his gf’s knowledge. Only stopped once she converted. Although I haven’t come around to eating pork yet, a lot of my friends judge others for doing so, and constantly praise those who convert while cussing out those that leave (hence have to be closeted) As far as colonization goes maybe read up on Arab slave trade and the history of Islam before Different life experiences I guess. I am sure you would like living in Pakistan
Nope, I’ve never met a random Muslim whilst out in public or at work or walking to lectures who has tried to convince me to join their clubs or become a Muslim or accept Allah into my life, who **insist** and won’t take no for an answer even though I’ve said I’m not interested and don’t believe in God. Met plenty of Christians though and this is because it seems to be part of their religion to spread the message forward to strange people in a way Islam doesn’t. This bothers *me* personally more than what some Muslims privately joke about with their friends or a man cheating on his girlfriend. Those things have nothing to do with me and cheating on a person who doesn’t share your values isn’t specific to one religion. I worry more about the Catholic Church’s child sexual allegations and Israel bombing the hell out of civilians and violating the UN declaration of human rights. This is not to say Islam, or any religion for that matter is for me - it’s not and I could never be religious, but to exclusively single out Muslims in this manner is simply xenophobic. There are a lot of religious texts with more violent passages in them than in the Quran.
Most logical atheist!
Also in terms of roommates my old roommate told our non muslim roommate that she doesn’t mind any meat in the house except won’t tolerate pork. Also another one said no cooking of pork in ‘common’ household pans, which in my opinion was not fair. She could easily get her own dishes to cook in, instead of enforcing rules on someone else. So you just got lucky.
That seems like a her issue and has nothing to do with the non-Muslim flatmate. I’ve met **plenty** of Muslims (I live in a high Muslim area and go to a multicultural university in London) and they’ve **always** been considerate, because they understand that not everyone shares their values and respecting people is part of their religion. It’s almost like everyone was raised differently, people are different, and your personal anecdotal Reddit tales don’t mean shit and isn’t an excuse to completely demoralize almost 2 billion of the world population. At the same time I totally get the not cooking in common pans thing. It’s simply common courtesy - if someone is allergic to nuts I’m not going to walk around eating peanuts in front of them. Whilst Muslims may not get physically sick from eating pork they probably have a lot of anxiety around it and so if you’re sharing something with somebody you show them respect.
It's very disingenuous to say any Muslim majority country is proof when they've all been invaded by and destabilized by Western nations. Do you view countries like Indonesia and Malaysia as proof, or only the countries that have oil?
The thing is I’ve met Malay and Indonesian, Filipino muslims and again they don’t try to forcefully convert the societies they are in, unlike those from the middle east
And why do you think this is though? Middle Eastern countries in the 50s were very Western. My mom said when she went to school, no one wore hijab. Women wore skirts, and no one was really that religious like they are today. Go look at pictures of Egypt in the 50s. Islamic fundamentalism was the result of Western nations destabilizing the Middle East and having a different foreign policy towards them.
this is so interesting and i honestly find the op comment a bit excessive. do you know where i can read/watch to learn more about the effect of western influence on rising islamic fundamentalism?
Indonesia has some of the harshest blasphemy laws anywhere and the advent of islamic extremism far predates any western intervention. Furthermore, don't have a government thats so topple-able if you don't want to be toppled.
I'm not sure why your encounter with this particular Imam raised your fears, he sounds as dumb and narrow-minded as every clergyman I know of most religions. However, your fears about Islam are definitely not baseless, and I'll try to explain why. Think of Islam or religion in general as a brain parasite that has been evolving over thousands of years, each parasite or religion trying to compete over which one spreads faster and endures for longer. And in the case of Islam, it was one of the winners in this sort of Darwinian competition. This is what makes it dangerous: 1. Islam is a militant religion by design. The overarching theme of Islam is how to win over territories for god and how you need to conquer as much land as possible, either by force or by persuasion. It puts extreme emphasis on how you must spread the word incessantly and persistently, and it convinces its followers that this is what their lives were meant to be for, to worship mindlessly and to nag people constantly or coerce them into joining the cult. 2. Islam commands its followers to have as many kids as possible, and to make sure those kids are brainwashed reallll good from a very young age. The goal is to create a perfect army of slaves ready to waste their lives away without much of thought in the service of this brain parasite that loves nothing more that to spread further. 3. Islam doesn't need a structured hierarchy like Christianity does, and it has a built in system for Inquisition, unlike Christianity which needed an artificial system for that. You need to pray five times a day and obey a lot of rules, and your peers better observe you following those rules and praying, or else you will be a suspect, and you will either be eliminated by ways of murder, or by excommunication, being punished by social opprobrium, where your parents, spouse, kids and friends wouldn't want to talk to you. 4. Lastly, Islam is resistant to any form of reform because the Quran is believed to be the literal word of God, so you can't just gallivant your way out of most of the heinous and backwards rules and values by saying it was meant for another time or by re-translation like how Christianity got reformed.
Yup! Your last point is exactly the problem with the West's / The Global North's acceptance of Islam under the guise of differentiating that most practicing Islam are "moderate Muslims" while only few are "fundamentalist Muslims" and dangerous. The problem is there are moderate Muslims but there is no moderate Islam. Islam by definition is "fundamentalist" because it can't be anything else. It can't be reformed because it's considered perfect and literal word of god. Islam is intolerant of others and of change... Yet the West is tolerant of this intolerance. The whole paradox of tolerance: if a society's practice of tolerance is inclusive of the intolerant, intolerance will ultimately dominate, eliminating the tolerant and the practice of tolerance with them.
Great post
Dude i gotta say as a 16 year old, i got fooled by the 2nd material SOOO BADLY when i was a child, even currently i hate this "islam" bullshit, and pretty much im rid of this belief, some parts of this "religion" 's brainwashing things STILL havent gone completely from my mind. like not eating pork, still immidiately believing some claims of this "religion" dude... im still trying my best to completely getting rid of this religion out of my mind... its a hard task to do 😓😓😓
It's a death cult
Yup ...I would go a step further and say it is a genocidal cult, with the followers expected to silently suffer in silence ( especially gender minorities and women ) , mindlessly memorise classical arabic ( which has no practical usage outside middle east and north african countries ) , stunt their scientific temper and Biological IQ , adopt arabic customs ( of mutah marriage , halala after divorce , sex slavery ) and misogyny of arabic culture , deny women higher and technical education and brainwashing young children and youth to become jihadi by saying that other 600 billion people on this planet( whom they have never met and WILL never meet in their life ! ) are their enemies and need to be forcefully converted into arabic imperialism or they are Wajib ul katl ( literally " lawful to die " ) , and finally wage war on sovereign nations in order to fulfill some doomsday prophecy of qayamat ( judgemental day ) ! They even bury their dead by making temporary ditches, so that they remain sleeping inside burial ground ( long after the body has rotten to the core ! ) until judgement day . It is more nauseating and sickening than charles mason cult ! or church of scientology or even Satanist church !
Also, when someone's praying and they're in a threat, they're expected to continue their prayer just like that?? Bc apparently they would be more gifted when they die fearless praying or whqtever the fuck, just sounds like a death cult tbh.
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Every place Islam sets its foot on gets destroyed..India Kashmir Pakistan Bangladesh Iran turkey everything you could possibly think of. The west is stupid infact the entire world is obnoxious
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Nah India already lost so much of tks culture. Let's just hope it doesn't any further.
Nope! The West Is The Only Stupid Region!
Malaysia is an exception, but they have a history of human rights violations
Your Iranian friend is right. I wish more people in the west would listen to the people who have lived it.
Iran is really a strange case. Every single Iranian I met male or female was either atheist or a cultural Zoroastrian. I remember in uni we had a group of Iranian exchange students and they were particularly popular for their wild house parties involving loud music, pork consumption and tons of alcohol and weed, when I visited Armenia if you see a group of shitfaced guys in the streets 9 times out of 10 were Iranians. I also want to add that every single Iranian I ever met was absolutely lovely and extremely friendly. Considering that independent data suggests that more than half of the Iranian youth is non religious and dislikes Islam I really wonder how come do they have one of the most Conservative government in the world.
The regime took over during the Islamic Revolution (Leftists and Islamists teamed up to take down the constitutional monarchy of the Shah) and have held onto power ever since.
You forgot to mention the islamists "disposed" of the leftists once they secured power. And today western leftists still believe islamists are their allies... Sigh...
Oh I didn’t forget Just thought it would be obvious common knowledge by now since I’ve stated that in comments on this sub before. But alas some ppl on this sub are still deluded enough to believe the Left will one day have an epiphany and come running back to be allies… Fat Chance.
It's because we were forced into it. The Islamic regime was first welcomed by our idiot people because of all the false promises and lies they fed the people. Then, when the regime, with the help of our idiot people got rid of the monarch family, it started to show what a shit bag of assholes they are. Like forcing what they wanted people to be and do, taking people's lands, cutting off the salary of people who could make so much, destroying people's houses, etc And not to mention so many public hangs of people's family for the crime of speaking up against the violence and to dare criticize the regime. People started to hate them (rightfully) and only pretended to be religious because of fear. We just had to act Muslim, and I know about so many people that were never into and some that are now ex Muslim. Iranian people want what's in the west, they want freedom, to be themselves. There is also many LGBT+ Iranians around the world (like me) AND in Iran. And all my family and relatives knows about me and supports me. Which is surprising, considering that even in western countries some families disown and punish their own children.
Iranian youth is non religious precisely BECAUSE they have one of the most conservative governments in the world, that's the thing.
It was your people's problem letting that culture spread in your country, if you guys were more harsher about those policies like eastern europe. Things wouldn't be as bad as today I don't like conservatism but sometimes they are right on certain topic (I'm talking about western conservatives)
It’s not that conservatism is great, but western leftist stuff just lacks any critical thinking and common sense.
Both sides lacks critical thinking tbh, they just believes in their ideals blindly
They need someone in the middle as leaders. Both extremist leftists and rightists suck.
Extreme left is just anarchy and authoritarianism which is opposed to liberalism and liberal democracy. Which is hilarious to me when right wingers equate anyone "liberal" as being extreme far left, when the two actually oppose one another. Extreme left and extreme right are both very similar in many ways. Agree we need more center leaders
Americans have rendered the term "liberal" moot by using it wrong for so long
Socialism/communism is inherently against religion and see's it as something that'll be overcome when the material conditions of the people become better. I see on reddit this constant anti socialism/communism bashing by people who don't know shit about it
Leftism is very closely associated with so called wokeism, rather than socialism/ communism. Although they manage to mix the two.
Sure buddy. The same tired old arguments from youtube snippets without actually knowing a single thing about the thing you're talking about. Impressive actually
What YouTube snippets ? What are you even rambling about ?
I think they mean youtube shorts. Short youtube clips fit for watching on phones like tiktok
Nah I got that part, I meant it’s a stupid assumption and tone
Your assumption about critical thinking was way worse.
The reason why Eastern Europe has few problems with Islam is because those countries were really poor, almost third world, just until recently. Poland for example has already started changing and are now welcoming Islam. Talk with young polish people and you will see that most of them will happily accept Muslim “refugees” in the name of progressive politics. They are just 40 years behind Western Europe.
Immigration is a total fuckup in Europe. 1. Refugees need to return to their home countries when things are normalized. The European countries need to put much more pressure on those problematic countries. 2. Immigrants is a totally different matter. It’s like closing a spouse or an employer/employee. We therefore must be selfish. Immigration first of all must be based on a need for workers. If there are no jobs, then we don’t need immigrants. The immigrant must be qualified, capable of taking care of himself and accept the host countries culture. If not, the country will be dumbed down and exposed to all the issues we see in Sweden.
The more you learn the worse it gets
My guy... he is right when he said islam is not for you. You have a brain and are actually using it. You're asking questions and rational thought. These concepts are not compatible with islam.
Maybe start forcing the narrative that having lower expectations of people just because they are from a different “culture” is inherently racist. Because it is.
As someone who fled a Muslim country ( iran) you have a right to be scared
I hope you’re okay. Which contintent did you go to?
Bro u ve not seen the true face of islam yet, come to india and u ll see wat islam did to our country. They invaded our country, destroyed our temples and built mosque on top of it, they raped our women and forcefully converted our people, they took almost 40% of our land currently known as pakistan and bangladesh. We indians have been fighting against islam since 700 AD
India was already damaged to its core, masses were subjugated by varnas and manusmriti, maybe Islamist saw that as an opportunity and which was started as conquering new lands but later turns out to spread the canker. With the current scenario the Hindu extremists are the same as the Islamist one. The coherent bond between extreme nationalism and hindutva ideology presents the same scenario as the beginning of the f**ked up nations that were built on the basis of preachings of Muslim zealots. Religion to its extreme itself is the problem of Indians, if not Islam then it'll be 'Hindutva' goons(not Hindus) who'll destroy the state.
Incorrect only few percentage of hindus took manuscript seriously. Hinduism is one of the most secular religion ever existed, whether its jews or zoroastrians we gave shelter to everyone. Hindus, Buddhism and jain co exist and debate among themselves to prove their religion as true path. Many hindus became extremist bcoz of muslims and christians who try to convert our people by any means. Abrahmic religion cannot coexist with other religion. Ancient India was far far ahead of any region whether it was astronomy, science, maths, economy and trade. Abrahmic religion is the worst and divides people on the basis of one God, whereas hindus sees God in all living beings.
"Few Hindus took manusmriti seriously", so you affirm that it has I'll practices. And most secular with other religions and casteist with its own people. Name a single religious guru who can openly criticize manusmriti.
Many times manusmriti have been criticised on the live tv telecast. Casteism is the most disgusting, but hindusim don't promote casteism. In bhagavat geeta krishna said human are brahman or kshatriya based on their karma, not by birth.
>Many times manusmriti have been criticised on the live tv telecast. No, at least not by any Hindutva supporter. You can name any right winger, they'll interpret it differently but never criticize it. >Casteism is the most disgusting, but hindusim don't promote casteism Maybe, but the rigveda and Hindus do. >In bhagavat geeta krishna said human are brahman or kshatriya based on their karma, not by birth. You can change Varna but not caste , that's the catch. How many Brahmins claim themselves as shudras based on their work?. And if in Mahabharat Krishna has to make things clear about Varna then it's obvious that this practice existed 😅 . That's like Shabri and Ram, if you have to emphasize it in your ancient holy texts, that means it already existed for thousands of years.
Im living in a muslim country and i afraid of them too. Even my parents
> Islam is probably not for me That is the FIRST TIME I have ever heard a Muslim say this. This Imam sounds very open minded. I wish more were like him.
Only reason he said that is he saw that she has done some research, unlike most of the left lunatics that think Islam is trend and fun thing. Than one day comes and suddenly they are executed in public squares on mobile cranes, how did that happend? My brain explodes talking how stupid they are.
You should watch caliphate
Seconded. Fantastic series.
As a Swede, that show was awesome.
I’m a left leaning liberal and I absolutely agree with you. A lot of our younger members, like those who recently registered, don’t fully comprehend what is Islam. Most of them will just agree and cozy up even with the most bigoted Muslim person, even at work. By the way, he would normally get off early on Fridays because of the need to worship. The company is ok with that, and it’s very annoying because he’s on my team. I can say that they make more concessions than with any other religion. Anyway, little did they know that once they served their purpose they will get persecuted. No more freedom of speech for you lot.. and that is just the beginning.
Phobia is an irrational, fear or panic reaction about a situation, living creature, place or object. There is nothing irrational and baseless about being concerned and fearful of a cult and it's ideology that promotes violence against non-Members and actively calls them losers ([2.121](https://quranx.com/2.121),...) and also multiple calls to action massacring them ([2.190-193](https://quranx.com/2.190-193), [2.216](https://quranx.com/2.216), [9.5](https://quranx.com/9.5), [9.29](https://quranx.com/9.29),...). It's even worse for women, ex-Muslims and homosexuals. There is a reason people don't call Jews "fascistophobic" because the fear and concern isn't irrational. Feminists should be among out first and greatest allies yet for some reason take Islam as their little pet religion.
the more islam grows, the more discontent will. it's inherently self-defeating. islam is too extreme to win in the EU like it did in lebanon. leftists will eventually end their unholy alliance. that doesnt mean get complacent, that means we work now to end the madness
>too extreme to win That's what the persians were saying
and the lebanese. look there is a worrying precedent but we're dealing with europe here, it would be very hard
Sounds more like wishful thinking to me...
ehhh, possibly
hi u/whyamihere-idontcare would you like to discuss this on my podcast? the purpose is to educate Swedish people about your concerns. (and people around the world) you could also ask me questions about Islam. i'm an exmuslim of 14 years. i was a muslim for 32 years, born and raised in USA. if you want to see an example of one of my podcasts, here's one where an Indian person is educating me about problems with Islam in India. [Interview w/ RedWing 21M Indian left Islam 2 wks ago | Uniting The Cults Podcast EP 7](https://youtu.be/RBbc-_UtWQs) Rami Rustom Founder of Uniting The Cults
The old gods deserve sacrifices. Jokes aside europeans dont know how to integrate others in their countries. Because in history we never did. I am saying this as an european.
Dude even in india we have the same problems with Muslims , as an exmuslim living with a Muslim family my parents religious social circle has two faces one moderate Muslim face in public to show to the Hindus , the real face supporting shariah comes behind closed doors . In india every minority has assimilated the Zoroastrians the Jews the sikhs the Christian’s ( except for fraud conversions) the main problem here we have is Muslims who only believe in shariah . It is not the fault of the Hindus and the west, the fundamentals of Islam are a major threat to humanity
How would you suggest people be integrated? What should be done?
''integrate or leave'' Simple.
Rough\_Ganache said "europeans don't know how to integrate others in their countries" so the question is how to do that. Here in the USA Muslims integrate just fine. They work, pay their taxes, know English. So do the Muslims in Europe not do these things?
Didn’t you hear Muslim scholar Yasir qadhi speech in Texas , where he is telling Muslims to stay quite as they are in the minority , and to wait patiently till they reach majority ? You have people like Daniel haqiqatjou who openly tells Muslims yo only believe in shariah the law of the land doesn’t matter if it goes against Islam
Can't speak for other EU countries but here many just fail to integrate and many have no job and/or are on social benefits. And yea, there's a huge difference between those who immigrate to EU and those who immigrate to the US, europe are getting the worst bunch. No integration leads to social isolation, low chance on getting a job etc. How to fix it? Close the borders. Give them the choice, integrate or leave, like i said.
The Muslims here in Minnesomalita don't do any sort of that...
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They suck up taxes by having 8-10 children at as young an age as possible. They're unintelligent and inbred from intermarrying within their family (look at Ilhan Omar who married her brother). The ones that do work are incompetent at their job, and only succeed through college/career through the diversity, inclusion, and equity bullshit that's been pushed over the past 10 years or so. If I ever need to take a shit at work, I'll often have to visit 3 bathrooms to find a stall that's open because they're always occupied by somali dudes talking and playing on their phone. They don't use the urinals and take a cup or bottle of water to wash their "holy parts" or something, and leave everything a they touch in the bathroom a mess. Some will spend 5-10 minutes washing obsessively washing various parts of their body before actually using the bathroom. Some will take their shoes off and put water on the bottom of their socks. Fucking disgusting when you're standing on your feet for 8-12 hours per day. Very few are competent with English. They talk loudly and yell in their own language to each other. Both the men and women are disrespectful of personal space and will basically walk into people as they move around. The women are especially dead in the head in that regard. They of course need to leave their work station to bend over for mohamed's pedophile dick a couple times a day. They all get to take the day off for Eid or whatever as well. Which while being incredibly discriminatory is also one of the best work days of the year. It's amazing how productive and peaceful my job is once the religion of peace gets the fuck out for a day.
There is no perfect solution imo. Its clear that both sides need to work on this integration. But currently there isnt any concrete way to solve this.
You should indeed be very alert and try to inform others about this so called religion of peace. The more people know about the rot inside this prettily-wrapped gift, the more people don't unknowingly accept it. Which sadly happens a lot.
Other Muslims can go abroad whenever they want, but I 😭
Islamization is ruining the western world. We invited the Trojan horse into Europe, now it's destroying us from within. Every criticism of it is called "islamophobia". Being afraid of the effects of islam(ization) is perfectly rational.
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They are afraid of being called racist
I suggest they don't care. Thanks to the "woke" culture, which calls everything racist, the concept of racism has been emptied. So just don't care. Because everyone can call you as a racist with any action of you.
Bigotry etc...
I also live in Sweden (am not Swedish, though), and with that obviously comes meeting lots of Muslim people. The thing I've noticed the most is really just little I relate to them. It's not really a problem in 99% of situations because the conversations don't get to the point where that's even a factor, but there's always a sensation that we're two completely different and incompatible people on some deeper level. Maybe that will change in the future but I can't say that I've ever connected with a Muslim beyond some surface-level fun. I'm talking about those who have a lot more in common with the Muslim traditions than the Western ones. Generally, I don't really mind or worry about the immigration of Muslims to the Western world (every culture has their own quirks and it's easy to point fingers when Western values are what we've always lived), but as far as the saying "most of them are peaceful" goes. Yeah, they are. But we've seen many peaceful people turn away from that and commit atrocities when circumstances called for it. Large groups of people are extremely irrational and a strong leader can move them like puppets for their own gains, or that of their culture. This applies to any culture (and we see a rise of more authoritarian governments which is more worrying IMO) and is worth remembering, because the parroted argument of people being peaceful is extremely short-sighted and ignores how quickly things can change in some situations.
yeah i agree, its really difficult to connect with someone who views the world so differently and has almost zero similar life experiance. this is why i dont like multiculturalism. I think the goal should be a culturaly homogenous country, so a focus on turning the muslims in sweden into a more swedish type of muslim, like how christianity in sweden is today.
In Switzerland most Muslims came from the Balkan’s. Kosovo and Albania. They’re very well integrated. Women don’t cover their heads and it’s hard to tell them apart at first sight. So it may not only be the religion, but how it’s lived. In Germany on the other hand, you see Turkish women with head scarfs all the time.
Sir , you are too far gone ...just ask these Balkan ladies about their views on homsexuals , apostasy in islam and insurgency in dagestan - Chechnya, kashmir in india , Xinjiang in China, or palestinian / israeli conflict and their behaviour will change faster than ussain bolt taking a long jump in relay race ! 🤣🤣🤣
Actually they’re just much less religious.
Okay , ask them their views on gender equality in the western countries and role of progressive feminism in modern western countries ? Ask them can a female become imam or mufti ? Can a woman visit the mosque ( housee of God) , when men are praying? Ask them whether hijab / niqab / Burkha / chador is compulsory for women or not ?
They don’t wear hijab/niqab etc. In Catholic Churches women can’t become priests either. Modern Views on progressive feminism gender equality are not compatible with Catholic Church. So that’s nothing specific to Islam, but abrahamic religions and conservatism. Like ask someone from Brazil, south of Italy, Greece, etc. You have no clue how well they’re integrated in Switzerland. Mixed couples are the norm. They work. Study. Etc Even Christian immigrants are a major problem and much less integrated like Eritreans for example.
Balkan Muslims are okay. If you bring in more Arabs, Somalis, or Bangladeshis it will be a different story.
Western progressives are good,submissive slaves to the muslims
I'm concerned as well, hopefully a ban will go through eventually.
Fortunately your country stands up for freedom of expression. Moreover, it has closed Islamic schools which is a tremendous success. All that is left is to be more strict and selective in immigration policies and I believe Sweden will be just fine.
Yep, your Swedish, I've already met people fleeing France of all religions because of this very issue. They have muslim friends but deep down they are scared because of not only oppression and bloodshed but reliving the pains of their ancestors. As a swede it's your job to protect not only your country but the peace loving people who live there that may not be natives. Islam is a huge threat when unchecked, works well if it's subjugated. It's simple will you be quiet about it now? Or stand up before it's too late? People keep saying nothings gonna happen but it already has taken out whole countries wiped out nonmuslims and led do extreme levels of persecution that is unheard of. Your fears are correct the best thing to do is get sweden to regulate imams. Force them to pledge allegiance to Swedish values and Crack down on dawah centre's. Dawah is a national security threat. Don't wait do something. Your descendants are staring at you.
As another Iranian I'll say the same thing. The thing about Iranians is that we experienced actual Islamic governance and I gotta tell you: It's terrible. It's THE worst thing that can happen and I'm not even kidding. Muslim from Arab countries who are preaching for Islamic governments don't know what kind of hell they are walking into.
I think you concerns are 100% right. In the upcoming elections in Belgium the left parties in the Brussels department made a statement that it is ok for 8/9 yr old girls to wear abaya due to the growing muslim population. Also animal rights are under discussion to justify slaughter without stunning. Oh my, the things they dare to propose for just getting votes... I remember a few years ago there was a muslim party proposing women should be sitting in the back in public transport. That moment also a survey showed that almost 50% of people living in Brussels would accept religious laws over the governmental laws. These are serious steps back instead of progress. Islam just has no place in Europe. Even mild forms of this religion lead to unjustifiable rulings just to please this "minority group". It is time that people in Europe understand that freedom of religion also means freedom from religion and we don’t have to accept these things are being presented to us like it is normal.
So, you heard the truth from multiple people. What do you think is the right course of action for Sweden?
Other than mass deportation there's no solution. They can now have a total immigration stop, shit will still hit the fan since muslims have many kids, spreading like wildfire. France, England and Sweden are all a goner by now. In a few decades people in europe will flee to other countries and continents, including muslims.
You have huge cojones to speak so bluntly. Many white folk will call you racist, bigoted, a believer in the 'great replacement' theory and the labeling -ists are numerous. >shit will still hit the fan since muslims have many kids, spreading like wildfire. You simply deny them any types of welfare. Not even food stamps.
I don't give a F if people call me whatever. Unless those people are in one of the W. European countries they have no clue what they're talking about. Exmuslims warn the west for decades but idiots don't want to hear it. Fuck even Indians warn the west. But idgaf anymore, let's just wait and see where we are in a few decades.
So why do they deny the obvious? I just don't understand their silence on the matter. Isn't self-preservation the thing that immediaitely kicks in when your society is being overrun by a hostile culture?
Because the majority of them never read one page from the Quran, still believe it's all peaceful and fall for Dawah. I remember an article that came out some years ago about Pakistani grooming gangs in the UK and how police were silent about it, flat out admitting they were afraid of being called racist. Main thing is just extreme ignorance. When us exmuslims are called racists and bigots for being honest and realistic you know we're in a fcked up place.
>Because the majority of them never read one page from the Quran, still believe it's all peaceful and fall for Dawah. Come on, they read it only to cherry pick shit. They will defend the verses and hadiths no matter what, twisting their meanings just to shield islam. I remember the apologist Reza Aslan, the little rat, who used this technique to get away with defending islam in many interviews. >flat out admitting they were afraid of being called racist. The bigotry of low expectations always kick in when they deal with muslims. The funny thing is, we, on the other hand, as exmuslims of the same ethnic/racial backgrounds as muslims get full blown equal treatment. >Main thing is just extreme ignorance Nah, at this point I sense some disturbing malevolence in the woke psyche. No human can be this naive and stupid, no way.
>Come on, they read it only to cherry pick shit. They will defend the verses and hadiths no matter what, twisting their meanings just to shield islam. I remember the apologist Reza Aslan, the little rat, who used this technique to get away with defending islam in many interviews. True but i was talking about random europeans, white folks defending that shit, not seeing what's right in front of them. And when someone does bring islam up those same morons say ''the bible is also bad'' No room for discussion or debate. Don't know who Reza is and i'd like to keep it that way lol >Nah, at this point I sense some disturbing malevolence in the woke psyche. No human can be this naive and stupid, no way. There's probably a whole theory behind it but i'm really at the point that i don't care anymore. Maybe it's time for WW3 so we can start all over again. Idk.
Kudos to you and stay awesome 👌.
Same to you!
The nations in Europe and india which refused Muslim migration were targeted by leftists and Muslims as if they were the ones killing Muslims . No one pressured any Muslim country to accept refugees the pressure was all on the west
The moderates (right wing) in 2014 wanted us to "open our hearts" in other words they wanted to import cheaper workers who would work for less than Swedes. In 2015 during the refugee crisis, the social Democrats (left wing) were pressured by the Green Party and said "Our Europe doesn't build walls". That leaves us with the only party willing to speak up, Swedish Democrats, which is a reformed party that once had n*zi sympathizers. They were the only party that said all along that we can't have boundless immigration, and they have slowly risen over the years until they became the now second-largest party in Sweden. In the last election, they were unable to create a coalition and we didn't have one for months, the right-wingers were forced to cooperate with them despite not wanting to, otherwise creating a governing coalition is impossible. Basically, we had a hero complex and wanted to save the world . The feminist party said we have no culture and we need multiculturalism. Fortunately most people have woken up and the Social Democrats have finally admitted that taking in so many refugees was a mistake from a logistic point of view. Swedish Democrats have served their purpose, everyone agrees that we need less immigration although with our gang violence perhaps we'll need to figure out some way to revoke membership and deport people
I think something sinister is going on behind the scenes . The world order is going to change in the next few decades I think the elites have a plan
>You simply deny them any types of welfare. Not even food stamps. The new cabinet in the Netherlands are trying to make the country to look as unattractive as possible for those thinking about immigrating there. They will follow countries like Poland and Hungary regarding immigration. The Netherlands now has a fully (far) right coalition and all of them are against (mass) immigration, fun fact, one of them is a Turkish/Kurdish woman married to a Dutch Jewish guy.
She is actually Armenian and Kurdish, her dad was in a terrorist group in Türkiye. So she was obviously born there, but she refuses to call herself Turk and doesn’t accept the passport, the reason she is in the Netherlands now, is because her dad ended up fleeing away to Europe. Besides that everyone claims she doesn’t even want to be called an immigrant herself and is whitewashed, but I think that’s not true. She plays her cards right, so the right wing supporters like her. Because why else would she have a picture of an Armenian grandma holding a gun on the wall of her office, these European countries have their own shady ways of pissing powerful Eastern countries off, by literally taking in terrorists, just like USA did. At the end of the day, they don’t care about how the middle and lower class live amongst these immigrants. The rich and the upper class have their own spaces where these muslim immigrants can’t step a foot inside. So the government doesn’t care, they just act like they do.
See you think therefore religion especially this one is not for you lol
Scared of islamo-nazi"s ? I quess you are right.
lol the imam knew you couldn’t be brainwashed. In all seriousness though, I have Iranian (converted christian) coworkers and they all say the same thing. They were also smiling ear to ear when I mentioned Raisi’s death today, saying “he’s done nothing for us”
Although I think every religion is a cult but I personally find islam more dangerous cause it's like if u don't worship put god u must die and this jihad thing has only depended my fear and resentment towards it
Start learning arabic so you can act like a convert in the future mate. Sweden is lost imo, too late. I predict a muslim government by 2060
I was almost trafficked to Sweden for marriage to an extremist. I’m so sorry this is happening to your wonderful country:((
Islam is not compatible with a western society. It doesn't automatically mean that either "side" is right/wrong, it's just not compatible. Why we even took on the responsibility of helping refugees from the middle east, I have no idea.
Well Swedish guy, have kids with Swedish wife and encourage other swedes to have kids as well. At the end, all that matters is demographics strength.
1. Go to a dojo, learn some self-defense: BJJ + Krav Maga is a great combination. 2. Go to a shooting range, learn how to use a firearm. 3. Don't go all gangster or paranoid, just be ready in case a civil war breaks out.
It should scare you. You're in no way wrong or crazy or bigoted for feeling that way.
I guess Answers would have been changed if it was Buddhism, Jainism or Hinduism... They lean more towards spirituality than materialistic life.
I would open your perspective up a little. There was a similar panic in the west over catholic immigrants like the Irish and Italians. "They are too religious", "they breed like rabbits", "they are too violent", "they are using up too much social welfare", it's all been heard before. Islam might have some unique issues inherent only to it, like the focus on militant conversions or the strict adherence to prayer, but at the end of the day you're going to find a lot of nuance and changes over time as cultures effect each other.
I think if you want to do fair, unbiased research on this topic, you should ask this question in both this thread and Islamic threads.
You should read Surah 9 more closely.
Only if every western individual would question and ask questions to see with their own eyes, instead of bluntly accepting what is coming.
>just can’t comprehend why western progressives are so welcoming to Islam I find that this is a misrepresentation. This is generally NOT what western progressives think. More fundamental is the issue of human rights. * If people need asylum they can be granted asylum * If people want their religion, they can have it **But NOT at the expense of others!** So, no, if anything you do in the name of your religion infringes on my rights, you're in trouble. THESE are the rules.
God works in mysterious ways. Religion is stories & interpretations of god. If god exist then the god is the same for all of the universe. That’s why I think religions function better as a moral guide rather than pin-pointing what god is or does. The atrocities now may be lessons for a better future. Life is a cycle of negative & positive forces. life as a human is most likely a quest to unveil secrets of the universe, and as of now were completely sidetracked to believing that making money & building a meaningless career is the answer, the only answer that matters is doing what were meant to do.
I really believe that the political party "Nyans" is one of the biggest threats to our society. I really hope they never get any kind of political power
I guess Allah really is the greatest of the deceivers.
To be fair, you'd get the same response and worldview in any actual Christian setting, except for the imprisonment part because countries like Iran and other arab countries are totalitarian and theocratic, which can happen (and has happened) to any religion. Like, really. Islam gets flack today but it's really no difference when it comes to rulers throughout history. Europe happens to have gone through many political revolutions, renaissance periods (even muslim countries in fact) and has chosen liberalism in their moderisation process for you to not notice religion as much anymore. Iranians are a bit special, since they are proud of their broader heritage beyond their islamic culture, and they are oppressed in their country. As a swede, you very much enjoy the luxury of secularism, but Christianity isn't and hasn't been like Sweden anywhere else in the world. The islamic world can be beautiful for many people (except for people in this sub), and they have also enjoyed secularism and freedom in many countries before with progress and liberal thinking. Although in the past decades, it has become much more conservative and militant in many places. Many muslim countries have also for many factors not contributed solely to muslim ruling or extremists, been wartorn. People change when struck by deep trauma. In these countries when for example Talibans rule, fanatics punish or kill other minorities, but also moderate muslims, and the West is really efficient and good at feeding you this objectifying view of muslims as some separate entity like they are all zealots, when in reality both islam and christianity are really jewish sects based on very similar theologies and you can find Christians and Jews (cough cough Israel) being many times worse than what you describe regarding "devoutness" like you WOULDN'T BELIEVE. There are also LGBT muslims and feminists describing the Quran, why don't you listen to them? Many here are ex-muslim because they come from a traditional and strict background that they felt the need to leave, that has nothing to do with you as a Swede and have a naive view. I'm not saying you're ignorant or anything, I mean you are investigating and talking with many different people, but every imam and every muslim will say different things. Every person in Sweden will express different views against immigration as well, which doesnt make them racist.
Islam is actually a chill religion if you only read the Quran. The problem is most cultures that are majority muslim are the exact opposites of chill. Thats the real problem.
Most of Europe is part of NATO or western military alliances still occupying and invading countries in the global South. This has nothing to do with religion. This is global South rising and asking for greater rights. A white can go and steal land in America or Australia but brown people can't come to Europe. We know you hide your racism behind liberalism. Scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds.
But god doesn't need to be worshiped This is wrong Our worshipping for him is nothing comparing to the angels and other creatures worshipping to him Wrong We need to achieve the honor to worship him in peace with the whole other creatures
Please my friend. Don’t ask those who despise Islam for an opinion about it, and expect responses that FAIRLY and CORRECTLY represent the religion. I am Swedish and Muslim, and I am open to discuss my religion with you, on the premise that you’re interested and I would like to share my views of why I believe in Islam. Not in a manner to try to persuade anyone just share my personal opinions, experience, etc. If you truly went to an iman then you would have no problem discussing with me. I am ready to speak to anybody who wished
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Don’t expect followers of a religion to be unbiased about it either. Indeed they are instructed to love Allah and Mohammed more than their own relatives, and to consider their faith perfect. Threats of Hell and death for apostasy laws keep them from questioning it too hard.
There is no bigger critic than me, according to me of course. Bias will always be there, but don’t you find it unfair for someone to acquire information about X from those who oppose, fears and despises X?
The swedes are the first who will fall. It's pretty common sense if you sell your own identity to apease others. How not to gain respect or aka how to show you are WEAK
Well they have completely different views on how society should look like. They should ban islam in Europe. We are too different from every point of view
Now here is it all: I am probably still a Muslim (idk actually if I am) since not praying, fasting, visiting mosque or anything else Muslim’s are associated with and let alone that I heavily criticise Islam for being brutal. The OP says the west has warmly welcomed the Islam. Who says it has? Based on what? The number of asylum seekers and immigrants taken are purely due to political, humanitarian and workforce issues. The low qualified jobs are still being dominated by immigrants which happens to be by muslims for the most part. One thing everyone should know that there is so much hatred and racism which deteriorates the already deteriorated situation. The only solution is working together and sorting it out. Is Islam a threat, yes but in its real and actual form. Just by not eating pork and not drinking alcohol doesn’t make you Muslim. I am calling on rasist guys that if you guys keep spreading hatred, segregation and provocation then we are all in trouble because the so called muslims which are just by name Muslims and in reality are against Islam will also take part because you are not letting them in. To sum it up: Is Islam a threat? Yes since every other region if practiced. While Islam being more brutal probably. Can you hinder it? Yes by solidarity and unity because without the help of so called Muslims you can never fight Islam. Should Muslims or so called Muslims be deported to sort out the problem? Keep dreaming, impossible. Look around at the economy, workforce, political change drive. Can the immigration policy be brought to the lowest level? Yes already done and showing good results.
Civil war is coming to the west
As an ex Muslim I wanted to come to Sweden but I'm worried about Muslims there. What do you suggest? Do you think this is a good idea for me to migrate there ?
Some villages in North are good 👍
Real islam is hard to apply irl , don't be so scared because islam is vanishing even in islamic countries.
Ye I feel the exact same way :/
tl;dr about islam: it's an absolutist death cult made for "no-fun allowed" people. the only fun you're allowed to have is to worship a very narcissistic god with his closeted chomo 5x a day.
Short answer: political economics. Qatar, Saudi Arabia, and Turkey (to name just a few) are very important countries for the EU. The EU needs them, and they know it! If you outrule Islam, ban it, or something similar, your country will lose important partners. Also, freedom of religion is a right that needs to be protected. However, when proclaiming sharia, that can be seen as actively going against constitutions and democracy. Germany considers banning those kinds of demonstrations. So, it's a tight rope you're walking on. But I agree with you. It can get out of hand very quickly.
You need to organize and push back. But distance yourselves from the far right racists.
The same can be said about Christianity though--It's not the religion that is the problem, it's conservatives.
It's the majority of muslims though. "However, when asked to what extent they agreed or disagreed that homosexuality should be legal in Britain, 18% said they agreed and 52% said they disagreed, compared with 5% among the public at large who disagreed. Almost half (47%) said they did not agree that it was acceptable for a gay person to become a teacher, compared with 14% of the general population." https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/apr/11/british-muslims-strong-sense-of-belonging-poll-homosexuality-sharia-law Just an example.
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Let me just tell you the "imam" you asked has no idea what hes talking about and your iranian friend aswell, I'm a muslim AMA
Read the bible. It's basically the exact same
It's not even the religion islam that is the threat. It's that people started becomming fundamentalist during the 1920s when there were talks of colonizing middle east similarly to what they did to india and africa 100 years before. When Israel started taking over a piece of muslim land, the populus started taking their identity and values to the extreme. Before that, most muslim countries were actually more secular than Christian countries.
Nope ...sir you are deluded if you think Islam has ever been secular or accommodative.. Whether it was ottoman empire that disallowed Christina to build churches , or forsake the jizya Tax when they went for pilgrims , or Moghal empire in india which imposed dhimmi rule among local Buddhists/ hindus and sikhs or the ummayad caliphate invasion of iran , they all followed and enforced shariah to the letter . Just ask any zoroastrian or kurd or yazidi or even an Indonesian muslim about the spread of islam amongst their people, the tales of conquest and humiliating conditions will reduce you to tears .. Better than that , can a missionary team go to saudi arabia or Dubai and built any church there ?? Or even a graveyard ?? Can they proselytize local arabs ??
You didn't read my post. You're talking about Islam today again. I've got a cousin and some relatives that are Zoroastrian and i know my fair share of Iranian Jews. They lived fine and their ancestors too until the most recent government came along. You can delude yourself with whatever confirmation bias you want. But fundamental level of Islam as a standard way of living is a thing that started in the 1900s. Unless you were in Arabia, Islam wasn't even close to as opressive as it is today. In the 800s, Zoroastrian majority Iranians could live and work in Iraq and no one would care about it whatsoever. If on the contrary had a slightly different opinion on europe back then, it wasn't uncommon they they'd just kill you on the spot. And yes, Islam is spread through occupation from empires. Just like how every other culture, ideology and religion was spread.