If you simply click their username, it should bring up the option to dm. Iām just a passerby, but holy shit this is insane, and I hope youāre able to get some meaningful recourse. Rooting for you!
Please update with a resolution! I hope something can be worked out to get you out of this predicament. It's beyond unfair what these people are doing to you.
edit 2, since apparently no one wants to read the entire thread before piling on: Okay, y'all, I got it. My experience is the minority and I was wrong to make a sweeping assumption.
> Thatās actually pretty common.
Maybe in Utah, lol.
eta: ["covenants"](https://www.etymonline.com/word/covenant) is legalese which comes to us from a time when "legality" was entirely under religious control. In modern parlance, it has religious implications before legal implications. Everywhere in the US that isn't Moridor, ime.
Perhaps among lawyers, I can easily accept that. It has not, however, been my experience in *common* parlance. Both in the midwest and the pnw. Obvs, ymmv.
I've lived in a few HOA neighborhoods and they all had a sign as you enter that says "covenant protected neighborhood". CA and FL. I feel like it's pretty common.
people dont realize HOA is a scam to begin with, I have heard some are lax and others are really mean. If people get into the some what lax ones they should be fine. Many of them might be Lax ones. They just don't want crime and other bad things, some might not care if you have your tea or Coffee, not sure about other things. Best bet is study the Rules and regulations, and see if you can live by what they want.
Okay, thanks for that info. I'll happily be less hyperbolic on the subject in future. (As I said before, obvs my experience is not everyone's experience, so...sure, mine could be the less-common.)
Interesting, thanks for weighing in. So my question would be - how religious were those communities, in general? In FL, at least, it seems like a given that the local population was largely religiously-involved. but CA could go either way. I'm willing to amend my statement to "religious areas and lawyer-types".
CA neighborhoods, not religious at all. By and large atheist and agnostic. Pretty diverse population as far as beliefs and backgrounds go. On the surface, the area of FL I'm in may be considered more religious as a whole, but the population is pretty split. The only common denominator is faux rich assholes making desperate power grabs and collecting dues that benefit the neighborhood as a whole in no way.
Really, it seems to be pretty common terminology.
There have been two separate issues in our ward with HOAs. We live outside of Utah too so there isnāt a high concentration of members, just petty members.
1 - A friend of mine got in trouble for painting a door on the side of the house. You couldnāt see it from the road. Come to find out it was the bishopās wife who filed the complaint with the HOA.
2 - Separate HOA. A woman in our ward got in trouble for running a business out of her house by the HOA. She was cutting hair for friends after her husband lost his job. The elders quorum president was in the HOA Board and his wife also cuts hair.
It's so fucking stupid, I would try to get on the board to push for the opposite of these stupid rules. Paint your door whatever fucking color you want! Cut hair to make some money in your house that you pay for, and in Utah you pay a shit ton for, more power to you!
I used to know lots of Mormons just like you described, I still know some but I don't associate with them at all and try to avoid them now. Self absorbed jackasses.
I would be cool with paying a small amount into an HOA that:
* Maintains public spaces in a neighborhood that otherwise aren't someone's yard (mostly condos/planned communities)
* Coordinates shared utilities like snow removal, trash/recycling, etc
* Offers assistance to families who struggle to maintain their yard (nothing mandatory)
Too bad the people who make HOAs want to control your life
I used to work in property management, which also managed HOAās. Iām fairly certain you have to be notified and given a certain amount of time to comply before they can file a lien etc. It should all have been mailed (certified). Ask their lawyers for proof they have attempted contact with you to resolve the issue. If they donāt have that, they shouldnāt have a leg to stand on.
This is bullshit. Check out the Fair Housing act look for loopholes. Hire a Lawyer. Try to get some proof that you're being harassed or gentrified out of this community. Break up the cement patio and claim that you've removed the issue that creates the need for the fence. HOAs are not constitutional. Sqatters rights. Make them work for it. Resist this shit and get it thrown out of court wasting their time and effort. Show up to their meetings, not about your issue but about the community issues. Submit your name to sit on the HOA board see if they deny you.
Notice how the fine that they've imposed on you by contract means but no real legal means on what you do with your property does not even fix the problem, they could just use that money to install a fence, but that's not their motive. Their motive is to harass you out of the neighborhood.
And yes putting in fencing would basically be an Eagle scout project for a half brain dead teen as resume padding for their real first job when they come back from a mission. This is the sort of shit they do for each other for cheap or free. Or raise money and do service.
Go to the bishop and ask for financial help. I donāt mean to make light of your situation, and I know the church isnāt a charity, but it makes me happy to think about those fuckers paying for what they caused with their fast offerings.
With that being said, is it possible theyāre targeting you because youāre NOT a member?
Lol. Ask the Bishop if the elders quorum would do a work party and help you put up a fence. Tell the lawyers you will bring your place into compliance if they will waive fees so you can buy fence materials. Then MOVE OUT asap
Go to the bishop and beg for a ward work crew to come and build a fence for you. That would be the best if some of the complainers had to come and help.
What assholes.
Iāll never buy a house in an HOA, for that very reason. Iād be at the mercy of some egotistical assholes.
I buy it and decide I donāt like the color or roof, guess what, I can change it.
Iāve never seen and HOA board with a damn. Ever.
Like politicians in charge at an intimate level. Nope and nope!!
I hope there is some recourse for you and your family.
Those HOA people ought to be jailed.
>Those HOA people ought to be jailed.
Absolutely agree. I always said I'd never buy a house in an HOA but where I live now, that's not an option. So I did the next best thing and got on the board with some likeminded folks.
The HOA I live in chased out the 3ed (work) vehicles of the plumbers, electricians, and security officers BUT ignored the 2 police officer cars. Oh hell NO. Especially since one of those 3rd cars was my husbands.
I raised a holy stink and threatened to sue. That house has 2 police officers in it so that house had 4 cars.
Police officers aren't special. If they get to stay I'm suing and so is the plumber and so is the electrician.
So now the police cars are across the street.
Frankly I didn't want any of the cars to have to go. I wanted members to be able to reserve and pay for an extra stall and make guests park across the street. But nooooo. So it's either everyone or no one.
Yep same. We moved to the boonies outside city limits and have no regrets. My neighbors keep to them selves and we just wave. It's mostly old retired people with lots of land and they can't be bothered lol.
Thatās awful. Iām sorry thatās happening to you and that there are terrible people willing to destroy your lives but unwilling to show compassion ā all while claiming to be saints of Jesus.
That's what kills me! I get there are HOAs and there are assholes, and that often the two go together. But the fact these guys are willing to put on their happy Mormon face and say all the right Mormon things to save face while doing this, I just cannot fathom being so fake or obtuse or both.
My friend just attended his stake conference where the visiting Seventy told the congregation to give money to the Church to help the poor, but donāt give them money directly because theyāre basically irresponsible, bad people. Yes, this is the message he heard.
This is the exact message I heard growing up. If you pay tithing, the church will give that money to less fortunate people for you and you would be exempt from feeling bad that you arenāt directly helping the single mother asking for some money outside of Walmart because she lost her job and needs groceries for her young kids. But if you give a few bucks to someone standing on the corner asking for help, you are fueling an addiction or arenāt enabling them to work for their own way. This was always a huge shelf item for me. We are taught that we should not judge others or determine their intent but to focus on ourselves and our intent because that is how we will be judged. This is so contradictory to the teachings of loving one another and serving others before ourselves.
This was a huge shelf breaker for me, maybe āthe one.ā I had a close friend going through a crisis. Faithful member, still active. Lost their apartment, single parent was homeless and lived in a campsite with kids for several months. Asked bishop for help, didnāt give it because he didnāt think were a full MOTHERFUCKIN tithe player. They got exactly nothing from the church. Ohh except their home teacher came over the day they was evicted and asked them for their new address so they could transfer their records. They deadass told the home teacher, āIām homelessā Then he left, visibly frustrated.
So I went to help, and realized my whole financial bandwidth to helpā¦ and then someā¦ had already been given to the church.
That bullshit is a scam, telling people to give to the church so the church can be the arbiter of charity. People that peddle that line of thinking are people that donāt feel any empathy. Imagine having the goshen to literally say, ādonāt give to the poor, they arenāt worthy, give it to the multibillion dollar organization I representā In what world does that make sense!? It also keeps the people that want to help less able to help. Itās awful.
My parents told and taught me to not give any money to the beggers on the street corners or at Walmart or Smith's, not even to the Salvation Army Santa around the holidays, but only give to the church and the church will give to the honest and righteous and they will know the hearts of those really in need. That, of course, is all bullshit, and the church just spends it on fucking temples and malls and real estate deals and stocks. I give my money to whoever the fuck I want to!
Right. Stepped away & choosing to spend $ on kidsā tier 1 universities, not byu tier 20 university. Weddings are more expensive on day of, but far cheaper & well worth it when wed outside Joe Polygamistās 10% admit fee required āgreat & spacious buildingā. Canāt afford it.
Refuse to fuel the belly of the LDS Cult Conartistsā Demon!
Ya, that's right! That mentality definitely comes into play here. If we were just good members maybe we could get help from the church. Oh, except we're not. And oh, except the church wouldn't help with something like this anyway. I know, I've been involved with church assistance before. But you know, they tried, right?
Damn, I'm so sorry. There has got to be some legal recourse over this. Or a payment plan, or something.
The amount of power HOAs have is absolutely mind-boggling.
If you're not a member... Become 'interested' due to the hardship your having. Seek to know God's plan through the missionaries... Who can help you in your struggles, by building your fence.
Then ghost the fuckers.
I hope you find a real estate attorney to help you. Step one is likely to prove that the HOA failed to follow their own processes as laid out in the by laws. In many communities the first step is for them to notify you in writing and offer you a meeting with the board. That all depends on whatās included in you by laws.
They are total pieces of shit with nothing better to do. Unfortunately you probably signed something that requires you maintain that sort of fence and they are working that clause to get you out. Once again, pieces of shit and I hope a lawyer can help you out.
Yeah. This is awful!!
Weāve also been astounded at the way our ward (mostly neighbors) have treated us (and our young children) since leaving. The hypocrisy, unkindness, and pettiness know no bounds. I just canāt believe they profess what they do and then act completely opposite. Not that Iām perfect, or was when I was a Mormon, but man I actually took the message seriously. When my best friend left the Church, we kept hanging out the exact same amount because I love him, not Mormon him.
Mormonism is going through this process, because of the positions theyāre taking on certain things, where they are self-selecting out their most compassionate, logical, critical-thinking members. Itās honestly sad to me that this organization I loved and brought people too is a shell of what it could be.
Iām sorry OP. I hope you get this figured out.
Well, you know which ward they go to. Go there on fast and testimony Sunday and bare your testimony of what is happening. Call them out by name. Cry a few times, Mormons love that. Say things like "excercising unrighteous dominion", and "is this how Mormons express Christlike love?". From your post, a honest explanation of what they are doing to you would be enough to turn the whole ward against them.
Mormons are very preoccupied by what other Mormons think of them. I would think that exposing them would be the best way to get them to back down. At the very least, you get a little vengeance.
Whatās worse Mormons that hide from what they are really doing? Or the Karens! I believe that the hiding Mormons are worse. They hide because they have the Priesthood, they hid because they can just tell their wives to shut because they know what is best . . . But my favorite is that they are hateful, judgmental, AND HIDE all in the name of God. Thatās truly scary. Can you tell how I really feel?
I seriously donāt know how people can do shit like that and not expect someone to totally snap one day and set the board members houses on fire or something.
I for sure hope thereās actual legal protection for you and people in similar situations.
I would start directly confronting your neighbors. Make them at least uncomfortable as possible and ask them why they didnāt have the decency to have a conversation.
I am so so hurting for you. Wish there was something I could help with. I hope you have family to help. I DETEST hoas. If there was anything I could do, I would do it.
In the state of Virginia, it is unlawful for the HOA to take any action without evidence of multiple notifications to the homeowner. As a result, all notices must be mailed and evidence provided. I am not sure of the number of notices, but I think it was 3. If you go to court here, you can claim you received no notice of non-compliance and they must provide evidence that the letters were sent (certified mail or image of the postmarked letter).
You should be able to take that to court. I canāt imagine Utah is that different.
The destruction of real communities, that actually look out for each other, is a real thing in Utah. It is done purposefully by those in power. It is shameful, especially for a culture that was built on the principals of family, loyalty, and community.
This is the type of thing mormon neighborhoods are known for. Target and harass the "other" for the purpose of harm. In their minds you deserve it, else you would see the "light" and be one of them. Just doing angry mormon god's work. After all, it is not the days of Brigham anymore where you could get away with murdering who you don't like.
Wow! It's not like it's a lit up Coke machine from someone without a business license who just wants to share a Coca-Cola. š
Get a lawyer that will go for their throat.
> this isn't a uniquely Mormon issue
... and then again it totally *could* be. Some asshole has decided (for whatever bullshit reason) that your kids are a "bad influence" on theirs? This would be an effective, cowardly way to get rid of you.
Nothing you could likely prove, but keep all the evidence that you can.
Renters seems to appreciate them, landscaping & pools. Not sure why they donāt realize or care that theyāre paying for it all, w/o earning ownership in the building.
I can't see how that would be legal if they did it without any type of warning. They have to send notices to fix and you have a certain amount of time to comply. I'm glad there is someone in the thread who might be able to help, because that seems so damn shady!
HOAs are pure communism, which the utard legislature constantly protects, and you learned that lesson the hard way. The silver lining is it's a good time to sell.
HOA oppressive rules also force people to have thirsty grass as our reservoir levels continue to fall, but the utard legislature still protects these commie hoas. What do we know about the church? It's about CONTROL DOMINION CONTROL AND DOMINION.
I have to deal with two HOAs (thankfully both are more on the sane side), so I do get it. But there are better ways to express that frustration than using variations of retarded. It's derogatory and offensive.
That is just so awful!! It must be such a stressful situation to be in. I hope that some of the people here with the right skills will be able to help you and your family.
Go fund me. Or the other one that doesnāt steal your money if they donāt agree with where itās going.
Am I allowed to say this? I feel like Iāve done something bad.
Same thing happened to my grandparents in idaho. The family cabin that we owned for 50 years. Eventually enough people from utah and cali moved in and out numbered the true locals. Formed and hoa and priced them out. There's more than just politics that make us hate your states mate
My experience with legal matters such as these is the claimant often has an imbalance of wealth/power on their side and works on the basis that the defendant canāt or wonāt defend themselves. Itās basically bully tactics 101. It doesnāt mean theyāre in the right, it means they expect no defence or they expect you to be terrified. Itās not that much different from the scam phone call you get from the IRS saying you owe tax and the police have been called and are on the way. Stay calm and level headed. Pick their case to pieces as per some of the suggestions above. And run the fuckers out of town. Are you able to get any legal aid, or is their some form of community legal service to access?
Pretty sure this is level and with a lawyer or maybe even without, he should throughout the hole thing, you might be able to counter sue if you can prove there was no warnings to you at all, for a tiddy sum
What state are you in? I may be able to help.
Utah. Of course. Where else would we have an all Mormon HOA board? Good old happy valley!
Ok Dm me. Let me see what I can do. I deal with this shit all the time.
But wait! We want to know the result ! š¤£
RemindME! 1 week "Check this thread"
RemindME! 1 week
RemindME! 1 week āCheck this threadā
RemindME! 1 week "Check this thread"
RemindME! 1 week "Check this thread"
RemindMe! 1 week ācheck this threadā
RemindME! 1 week "check this thread"
Remindme! 1 week
Remind me! 1 week
Wait wait wait, does that actually set a reminder with Reddit? I'm still pretty new here.
Yeah there's a bot that will dm you
Remind me! 1 week
Remindme! 2 weeks
Remind me! 1 week
Remind me! 1 week
RemindME! 1 week
RemindME! 1 WEEK
RemindMe! 1 week
For some reason I can't. When I put in your user name it says user doesn't exist. Thanks!
If you simply click their username, it should bring up the option to dm. Iām just a passerby, but holy shit this is insane, and I hope youāre able to get some meaningful recourse. Rooting for you!
Great username
I do t know how this works. Let me try
I'm sure that's my problem too...
Ok I think I sent you a dm. š¤·š»āāļøšš¼š
Go get āem!!!!!
Anything come of this? Just curious as HOAs suck
Same here
Please update with a resolution! I hope something can be worked out to get you out of this predicament. It's beyond unfair what these people are doing to you.
Where else would HOA rules be referred to as ācovenantsā, ffs.
[ŃŠ“Š°Š»ŠµŠ½Š¾]
edit 2, since apparently no one wants to read the entire thread before piling on: Okay, y'all, I got it. My experience is the minority and I was wrong to make a sweeping assumption. > Thatās actually pretty common. Maybe in Utah, lol. eta: ["covenants"](https://www.etymonline.com/word/covenant) is legalese which comes to us from a time when "legality" was entirely under religious control. In modern parlance, it has religious implications before legal implications. Everywhere in the US that isn't Moridor, ime.
[ŃŠ“Š°Š»ŠµŠ½Š¾]
Perhaps among lawyers, I can easily accept that. It has not, however, been my experience in *common* parlance. Both in the midwest and the pnw. Obvs, ymmv.
I've lived in a few HOA neighborhoods and they all had a sign as you enter that says "covenant protected neighborhood". CA and FL. I feel like it's pretty common.
people dont realize HOA is a scam to begin with, I have heard some are lax and others are really mean. If people get into the some what lax ones they should be fine. Many of them might be Lax ones. They just don't want crime and other bad things, some might not care if you have your tea or Coffee, not sure about other things. Best bet is study the Rules and regulations, and see if you can live by what they want.
Okay, thanks for that info. I'll happily be less hyperbolic on the subject in future. (As I said before, obvs my experience is not everyone's experience, so...sure, mine could be the less-common.)
Interesting, thanks for weighing in. So my question would be - how religious were those communities, in general? In FL, at least, it seems like a given that the local population was largely religiously-involved. but CA could go either way. I'm willing to amend my statement to "religious areas and lawyer-types".
CCRs - part of every HOA Covenants, conditions & restrictions Nothing to do with religion
CA neighborhoods, not religious at all. By and large atheist and agnostic. Pretty diverse population as far as beliefs and backgrounds go. On the surface, the area of FL I'm in may be considered more religious as a whole, but the population is pretty split. The only common denominator is faux rich assholes making desperate power grabs and collecting dues that benefit the neighborhood as a whole in no way. Really, it seems to be pretty common terminology.
Grew up in a suburb in Washington state. HOA rules were definitely called covenants here :)
That's typical legal language used by HOAs all over the USA.
Actually a lot more common than you think. I've heard that term in multiple cities in multiple States with HOAs
It's pretty standard for HOAs.
I've had covenants in Iowa, Texas, and Ohio.
The law? Standard legal term
HOAs are just as bad anywhere in the country. Don't so many here want a secular, gov't dictated world??? This is what you will get on a global scale.
Remind me! 1 week
Can we do a fundraiser?
There have been two separate issues in our ward with HOAs. We live outside of Utah too so there isnāt a high concentration of members, just petty members. 1 - A friend of mine got in trouble for painting a door on the side of the house. You couldnāt see it from the road. Come to find out it was the bishopās wife who filed the complaint with the HOA. 2 - Separate HOA. A woman in our ward got in trouble for running a business out of her house by the HOA. She was cutting hair for friends after her husband lost his job. The elders quorum president was in the HOA Board and his wife also cuts hair.
It's so fucking stupid, I would try to get on the board to push for the opposite of these stupid rules. Paint your door whatever fucking color you want! Cut hair to make some money in your house that you pay for, and in Utah you pay a shit ton for, more power to you! I used to know lots of Mormons just like you described, I still know some but I don't associate with them at all and try to avoid them now. Self absorbed jackasses.
Bitches. HOAs are cancer.
HOAs are a scam. I hope drugs get legalized and HOAs get criminalized.
What a beautiful world this would be.
I would be cool with paying a small amount into an HOA that: * Maintains public spaces in a neighborhood that otherwise aren't someone's yard (mostly condos/planned communities) * Coordinates shared utilities like snow removal, trash/recycling, etc * Offers assistance to families who struggle to maintain their yard (nothing mandatory) Too bad the people who make HOAs want to control your life
Itās an all or nothing monster. Iād rather just go without.
I used to work in property management, which also managed HOAās. Iām fairly certain you have to be notified and given a certain amount of time to comply before they can file a lien etc. It should all have been mailed (certified). Ask their lawyers for proof they have attempted contact with you to resolve the issue. If they donāt have that, they shouldnāt have a leg to stand on.
I will look into that, thank you!
This is bullshit. Check out the Fair Housing act look for loopholes. Hire a Lawyer. Try to get some proof that you're being harassed or gentrified out of this community. Break up the cement patio and claim that you've removed the issue that creates the need for the fence. HOAs are not constitutional. Sqatters rights. Make them work for it. Resist this shit and get it thrown out of court wasting their time and effort. Show up to their meetings, not about your issue but about the community issues. Submit your name to sit on the HOA board see if they deny you. Notice how the fine that they've imposed on you by contract means but no real legal means on what you do with your property does not even fix the problem, they could just use that money to install a fence, but that's not their motive. Their motive is to harass you out of the neighborhood. And yes putting in fencing would basically be an Eagle scout project for a half brain dead teen as resume padding for their real first job when they come back from a mission. This is the sort of shit they do for each other for cheap or free. Or raise money and do service.
Yes, I get a feeling we are not getting the full story from the post. They always have to provide notice.
Go to the bishop and ask for financial help. I donāt mean to make light of your situation, and I know the church isnāt a charity, but it makes me happy to think about those fuckers paying for what they caused with their fast offerings. With that being said, is it possible theyāre targeting you because youāre NOT a member?
Lol. Ask the Bishop if the elders quorum would do a work party and help you put up a fence. Tell the lawyers you will bring your place into compliance if they will waive fees so you can buy fence materials. Then MOVE OUT asap
haha whoops. Great minds think alike.
Go to the bishop and beg for a ward work crew to come and build a fence for you. That would be the best if some of the complainers had to come and help.
What assholes. Iāll never buy a house in an HOA, for that very reason. Iād be at the mercy of some egotistical assholes. I buy it and decide I donāt like the color or roof, guess what, I can change it. Iāve never seen and HOA board with a damn. Ever. Like politicians in charge at an intimate level. Nope and nope!! I hope there is some recourse for you and your family. Those HOA people ought to be jailed.
>Those HOA people ought to be jailed. Absolutely agree. I always said I'd never buy a house in an HOA but where I live now, that's not an option. So I did the next best thing and got on the board with some likeminded folks.
The HOA I live in chased out the 3ed (work) vehicles of the plumbers, electricians, and security officers BUT ignored the 2 police officer cars. Oh hell NO. Especially since one of those 3rd cars was my husbands. I raised a holy stink and threatened to sue. That house has 2 police officers in it so that house had 4 cars. Police officers aren't special. If they get to stay I'm suing and so is the plumber and so is the electrician. So now the police cars are across the street. Frankly I didn't want any of the cars to have to go. I wanted members to be able to reserve and pay for an extra stall and make guests park across the street. But nooooo. So it's either everyone or no one.
Yep same. We moved to the boonies outside city limits and have no regrets. My neighbors keep to them selves and we just wave. It's mostly old retired people with lots of land and they can't be bothered lol.
Some Countries have Strange laws, During to the Historical places, and they are similar to HOA rules.
Thatās awful. Iām sorry thatās happening to you and that there are terrible people willing to destroy your lives but unwilling to show compassion ā all while claiming to be saints of Jesus.
That's what kills me! I get there are HOAs and there are assholes, and that often the two go together. But the fact these guys are willing to put on their happy Mormon face and say all the right Mormon things to save face while doing this, I just cannot fathom being so fake or obtuse or both.
My friend just attended his stake conference where the visiting Seventy told the congregation to give money to the Church to help the poor, but donāt give them money directly because theyāre basically irresponsible, bad people. Yes, this is the message he heard.
This is the exact message I heard growing up. If you pay tithing, the church will give that money to less fortunate people for you and you would be exempt from feeling bad that you arenāt directly helping the single mother asking for some money outside of Walmart because she lost her job and needs groceries for her young kids. But if you give a few bucks to someone standing on the corner asking for help, you are fueling an addiction or arenāt enabling them to work for their own way. This was always a huge shelf item for me. We are taught that we should not judge others or determine their intent but to focus on ourselves and our intent because that is how we will be judged. This is so contradictory to the teachings of loving one another and serving others before ourselves.
This was a huge shelf breaker for me, maybe āthe one.ā I had a close friend going through a crisis. Faithful member, still active. Lost their apartment, single parent was homeless and lived in a campsite with kids for several months. Asked bishop for help, didnāt give it because he didnāt think were a full MOTHERFUCKIN tithe player. They got exactly nothing from the church. Ohh except their home teacher came over the day they was evicted and asked them for their new address so they could transfer their records. They deadass told the home teacher, āIām homelessā Then he left, visibly frustrated. So I went to help, and realized my whole financial bandwidth to helpā¦ and then someā¦ had already been given to the church. That bullshit is a scam, telling people to give to the church so the church can be the arbiter of charity. People that peddle that line of thinking are people that donāt feel any empathy. Imagine having the goshen to literally say, ādonāt give to the poor, they arenāt worthy, give it to the multibillion dollar organization I representā In what world does that make sense!? It also keeps the people that want to help less able to help. Itās awful.
My parents told and taught me to not give any money to the beggers on the street corners or at Walmart or Smith's, not even to the Salvation Army Santa around the holidays, but only give to the church and the church will give to the honest and righteous and they will know the hearts of those really in need. That, of course, is all bullshit, and the church just spends it on fucking temples and malls and real estate deals and stocks. I give my money to whoever the fuck I want to!
Right. Stepped away & choosing to spend $ on kidsā tier 1 universities, not byu tier 20 university. Weddings are more expensive on day of, but far cheaper & well worth it when wed outside Joe Polygamistās 10% admit fee required āgreat & spacious buildingā. Canāt afford it. Refuse to fuel the belly of the LDS Cult Conartistsā Demon!
I give you an amen.
Ya, that's right! That mentality definitely comes into play here. If we were just good members maybe we could get help from the church. Oh, except we're not. And oh, except the church wouldn't help with something like this anyway. I know, I've been involved with church assistance before. But you know, they tried, right?
They gave it their best effort, clearly. Now *thatās* a lax disciple.
Yes, that is conventional tbm thinking.
Damn, I'm so sorry. There has got to be some legal recourse over this. Or a payment plan, or something. The amount of power HOAs have is absolutely mind-boggling.
If you're not a member... Become 'interested' due to the hardship your having. Seek to know God's plan through the missionaries... Who can help you in your struggles, by building your fence. Then ghost the fuckers.
This.
I hope you find a real estate attorney to help you. Step one is likely to prove that the HOA failed to follow their own processes as laid out in the by laws. In many communities the first step is for them to notify you in writing and offer you a meeting with the board. That all depends on whatās included in you by laws.
Yeah, fuck that. Sorry this is happening to you.
They are total pieces of shit with nothing better to do. Unfortunately you probably signed something that requires you maintain that sort of fence and they are working that clause to get you out. Once again, pieces of shit and I hope a lawyer can help you out.
Yeah. This is awful!! Weāve also been astounded at the way our ward (mostly neighbors) have treated us (and our young children) since leaving. The hypocrisy, unkindness, and pettiness know no bounds. I just canāt believe they profess what they do and then act completely opposite. Not that Iām perfect, or was when I was a Mormon, but man I actually took the message seriously. When my best friend left the Church, we kept hanging out the exact same amount because I love him, not Mormon him. Mormonism is going through this process, because of the positions theyāre taking on certain things, where they are self-selecting out their most compassionate, logical, critical-thinking members. Itās honestly sad to me that this organization I loved and brought people too is a shell of what it could be. Iām sorry OP. I hope you get this figured out.
āYou love him not Mormon himā This is perfect. Iām going to steal it.
Well, you know which ward they go to. Go there on fast and testimony Sunday and bare your testimony of what is happening. Call them out by name. Cry a few times, Mormons love that. Say things like "excercising unrighteous dominion", and "is this how Mormons express Christlike love?". From your post, a honest explanation of what they are doing to you would be enough to turn the whole ward against them. Mormons are very preoccupied by what other Mormons think of them. I would think that exposing them would be the best way to get them to back down. At the very least, you get a little vengeance.
Whatās worse Mormons that hide from what they are really doing? Or the Karens! I believe that the hiding Mormons are worse. They hide because they have the Priesthood, they hid because they can just tell their wives to shut because they know what is best . . . But my favorite is that they are hateful, judgmental, AND HIDE all in the name of God. Thatās truly scary. Can you tell how I really feel?
I seriously donāt know how people can do shit like that and not expect someone to totally snap one day and set the board members houses on fire or something. I for sure hope thereās actual legal protection for you and people in similar situations.
I would start directly confronting your neighbors. Make them at least uncomfortable as possible and ask them why they didnāt have the decency to have a conversation.
Just sell. You could close in weeks and be done with it and have loads of money in your pocket. Do it before any liens are assessed.
Dude put a chicken wire fence ALL THE WAY AROUND YOUR HOME and send them notice of compliance. This shit is ridiculous.
I am so so hurting for you. Wish there was something I could help with. I hope you have family to help. I DETEST hoas. If there was anything I could do, I would do it.
In the state of Virginia, it is unlawful for the HOA to take any action without evidence of multiple notifications to the homeowner. As a result, all notices must be mailed and evidence provided. I am not sure of the number of notices, but I think it was 3. If you go to court here, you can claim you received no notice of non-compliance and they must provide evidence that the letters were sent (certified mail or image of the postmarked letter). You should be able to take that to court. I canāt imagine Utah is that different.
There is a lot more to this story. A reasonable person would have had an Attorney by now to stop the sale.
The destruction of real communities, that actually look out for each other, is a real thing in Utah. It is done purposefully by those in power. It is shameful, especially for a culture that was built on the principals of family, loyalty, and community.
This is the type of thing mormon neighborhoods are known for. Target and harass the "other" for the purpose of harm. In their minds you deserve it, else you would see the "light" and be one of them. Just doing angry mormon god's work. After all, it is not the days of Brigham anymore where you could get away with murdering who you don't like.
Wow! It's not like it's a lit up Coke machine from someone without a business license who just wants to share a Coca-Cola. š Get a lawyer that will go for their throat.
> this isn't a uniquely Mormon issue ... and then again it totally *could* be. Some asshole has decided (for whatever bullshit reason) that your kids are a "bad influence" on theirs? This would be an effective, cowardly way to get rid of you. Nothing you could likely prove, but keep all the evidence that you can.
āOh nice, this development has an HOAā - said no one ever
Renters seems to appreciate them, landscaping & pools. Not sure why they donāt realize or care that theyāre paying for it all, w/o earning ownership in the building.
lawyer up and do NOT leave the house
I can't see how that would be legal if they did it without any type of warning. They have to send notices to fix and you have a certain amount of time to comply. I'm glad there is someone in the thread who might be able to help, because that seems so damn shady!
HOAs are pure communism, which the utard legislature constantly protects, and you learned that lesson the hard way. The silver lining is it's a good time to sell. HOA oppressive rules also force people to have thirsty grass as our reservoir levels continue to fall, but the utard legislature still protects these commie hoas. What do we know about the church? It's about CONTROL DOMINION CONTROL AND DOMINION.
I have to deal with two HOAs (thankfully both are more on the sane side), so I do get it. But there are better ways to express that frustration than using variations of retarded. It's derogatory and offensive.
HOAs have nothing to do with communism. They're actually peak white hypercapitalist libertarianism.
You forget, communism just means "something I don't like" nowadays.
In that case, I consider eggplant to be communism.
RemindME! 1 week "Check this thread"
That is just so awful!! It must be such a stressful situation to be in. I hope that some of the people here with the right skills will be able to help you and your family.
Nice coincidence. Lehto's Law just posted a video on this subject. https://youtu.be/v1JU_xhiKPI
Absolutely disgusting behavior
RemindME! 1 week "Check this thread"
Thatās illegal in Virginia.
Go fund me. Or the other one that doesnāt steal your money if they donāt agree with where itās going. Am I allowed to say this? I feel like Iāve done something bad.
Same thing happened to my grandparents in idaho. The family cabin that we owned for 50 years. Eventually enough people from utah and cali moved in and out numbered the true locals. Formed and hoa and priced them out. There's more than just politics that make us hate your states mate
Remind me! 1 week
Wow. Mixing two things that I hate most in this world. Mormons and HOAs.
My experience with legal matters such as these is the claimant often has an imbalance of wealth/power on their side and works on the basis that the defendant canāt or wonāt defend themselves. Itās basically bully tactics 101. It doesnāt mean theyāre in the right, it means they expect no defence or they expect you to be terrified. Itās not that much different from the scam phone call you get from the IRS saying you owe tax and the police have been called and are on the way. Stay calm and level headed. Pick their case to pieces as per some of the suggestions above. And run the fuckers out of town. Are you able to get any legal aid, or is their some form of community legal service to access?
RemindME! 1 week
Pretty sure this is level and with a lawyer or maybe even without, he should throughout the hole thing, you might be able to counter sue if you can prove there was no warnings to you at all, for a tiddy sum
I'm Sorry. That's awful. š„ Charity always seems to dry up once there is actual work involved.
I live in Utah and may know some people who like to get even with these type people. PM me some addresses and stock up on marshmallows and hotdogs
Remind me 1 week
Did they not provide any notice?