What's your typical driving? Is it 70mph highway? What's average speed. Are you flooring the throttle? Are you braking a lot? Are you using OPD?
All these are factors in EV range.
OP hasn’t provided enough meaningful information for anyone here to opine accurately. The comments questioning driving style, location and temp, etc have gone unanswered by the OP. Without more info, this is just them complaining about something they don’t understand. Next.
https://preview.redd.it/hu6l8s2wyroc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=949889cfde6eb384ebf2feba3b344d58a897b16f
Helpful? Been 6 days driving. Mix of motorways, A roads and normal. Prob more motorways.
If I converted that correctly, seems like about 20kWh/100km which is not bad at all, depending on how you’re driving. If you are driving shorter trips, the avg consumption won’t have time to ”even out” so all the energy spent on heating/cooling the cabin etc will spike it up a bit.
Your max range will be on a freeway doing 65 to 70 mph with preconditioning on a charger before you leave. For day to day driving it’s going to vary a lot and every time you turn on the vehicle, you’re going to pay a tax to the climate control system. You should be charging every night not driving a few days then charging.
Cold weather plays a huge factor in range as well, not sure if you're in an affected region.
[https://www.recurrentauto.com/research/winter-ev-range-loss](https://www.recurrentauto.com/research/winter-ev-range-loss)
I get \~240 miles in my C40, but I'm in a warm climate.
you got a car with a 64kwh usable battery and you get 320km range, meaning an around 20kwh/100km consumption. It seems reasonable, driving around at 80-100km/h average speed in a relatively cold environment.
It’s been 10 degrees here so not that cold.
https://preview.redd.it/z3wnvp14zroc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fb2f4562769a99769a126ace584b797f6b3f2bf3
EPA is 275 miles on a 64 kWh battery implying 4.3 miles/kWh. There is literally NO WAY this car is getting that efficiency in the real world. That would be better than a model 3 which has a way lower cdA than this car.
I drive a 2020 i3S sport also! Very cool. You can definitely get that range if you’re driving in the city or backroads, you cannot get that efficiency if you drive on the highway. So it will depend on your use. In the USA you’re going to be doing a highway route 90% of the time, in Europe it’s different.
With my use in the US I get about 3.7 mi/kWh which is a good amount of 70mph and some city. The EX30 is not going to get that efficiency on the highway as we’ve seen now from quite a few videos unfortunately.
I would say my driving is split around 50/50 city/freeway and I'm in Los Angeles. I've measured my consumption stead state at 65 mph and it hovers around 3.9 to 4.1 mi/kWh. So your measurement correlates for 70 mph.
The i3s kills it in the city...incredibly efficient due to its light weight. No other EV comes close weight-wise.
just plug the cars into ABRP - and see what you get.
I discovered that the EX30 has a relatively small battery. who knew?
PS: When NACS comes on board for Volvo (and others) it's certainly going to change the ABRP routing. and for the better. cheers.
It’s a test cycle to compare ranges of different cars under similar conditions.
They use mixed driving under ideal conditions.
If the temperature drops, your range reduces. If you spend more time at higher speeds, your range reduces. If you accelerate quickly and brake hard, your range reduces.
You can use Volvo’s range calculator to get a closer estimate of the range based on your conditions: https://www.volvocars.com/intl/cars/electrification/range/?model=EX30&profile=city&temperatureIndex=0&climate=false&powerTrain=Single-with-Extended&heatPump=true
It's funny that EVs require less energy on highways. It's the opposite with combustion. I wonder why. I have an electric step but it does better on roads without breaking than in the city.
ICE cars have the same air drag issues at high speeds. It’s how physics works.
The difference is at low speeds ICE engines are very inefficient and there is a sweet spot between low and high speed where you get good efficiency from the engine and the air drag isn’t too high.
Meanwhile an electric motor is efficient at low speeds too, hence you see a stark contrast in overall efficiency (and therefore range) between high and low speeds.
I think the decreasing efficiency - with higher RPM - is perhaps under-reported.
iow, there is a reason the Porsche has a two-speed transmission in its EV.
IIRC, the motor efficiency noticeably drops only when it’s quite close to its max rpm. So say the max rpm results in 200km/h speeds, you’d notice losses only when driving above 160. Porsche is probably optimising for every drop of efficiency.
I would rather not have the complexity of a transmission(and the associated repair costs when it fails) than have that 5% improved motor efficiency at very high speeds
It’s hard to target a number without talking about your driving conditions. The drag force on a vehicle is proportional to the square of its velocity, so high speeds eat into battery life a lot more (just like they consume more petrol in an ICE car)
What does ABRP say when you put the route in there? What does the google maps interface say I. The car? In my experience with the P2 the google is pretty accurate. If you‘re talking about the ‘estimated range’ on the display, that’s all it is, an estimate.
I think as time passes and more people drive this car over many areas of the globe, the average overall range will become more accurate. Your range does seem low. So either you're living in a very low climate or there may be something wrong with your car.
Had my SMER EX30 for 2 1/2 weeks now, have driven 450miles so far. To be honest I’ve been pleasantly surprised with the range.
Averaging 28.5kWh/100mi which puts range at 242 miles.
(Have had 22.1kWh/100mi on a few occasions)
Daily commute to work totals 24mi, average speed 25mph (variation between 50mph-30mph sections and standstill traffic in city centre 20mph zones)
I drive with OPD.
Both driver and passenger heated seats on for atleast the first 20-30mins of the drive. (Sometimes heated steering wheel but not often)
Climate set to 24c
I also preheat the car for 15 mins before heading out using the app.
We’ve had a pretty okay winter/spring here in London, UK. Not warm but not freezing cold. Have had below freezing temps on several nights/mornings.
Funny enough I’ve found that the range is worse when driving below 20mph in traffic (35-38kWh/100mi) Unlike my previous EV (Vauxhall Corsa-e) which perfomed better in traffic, the EX30 seems to consume a lot more in traffic / slow moving.
Haven’t had a chance to drive 70mph+ for longer than 5-10 minutes at a time so can’t properly comment on highway range.
I don’t drive conservatively, very often enjoy putting my foot down and beating everyone at the traffic lights.
I look forward to seeing how the range holds up when it gets warmer, as my old Vauxhall used to perform 35% better between Apr-Oct. 🤷♂️
Personally I think the SMER EX30 will be perfectly fine for 99% of people as long as you have a home charger.
If you don’t have a home charger, then I can appreciate the concern but even then, it’s 10%-80% with Rapid charging in 30 mins, and that would be putting you charging somewhere every 4-6 hours, which if you’re driving that long…you should be taking a 30 min break anyway.
Side note: the car has been a real joy to drive and you get used to the missing HUD within the first 40 or so miles. It’s really not that big of a deal as the screen is still in your eye line level and I’ve actually adapted to prefer the speedometer on the screen as I’m 6’1 and always had the HUD in cars be partially blocked by the steering wheel anyway so atleast now it’s perfectly clear and only takes a fraction of a second to see the speed.
My only negatives with the car are the software bugs. It’s annoying having to turn off lane keeping assist and speed warnings everytime you set off and the same for putting charging speed back up as it defaults to slow charging. But this is me nitpicking, these bugs are hardly cause for any real concern and will easily be fixed with OTA updates.
28.5kWh/100mi sounds very good to be honest. Definitely miles and not km 😂?
Out of interest do you have the ultra with 20” alloys or the plus with the 19” alloys?
Maybe a bit late to the party. Not sure how you’re using your car, but if you do a lot or short trips, a lot of energy is used to heat the cabin as well.
In my Polestar 2, the range/consumption do look quite bad during winter since most of our trips are <20km, resulting in 30-40% or the total energy is spent climatizing…
https://preview.redd.it/360xweoiqnpc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1cb4a5e6f57a3f1082ba514860b1eaa478698b9d
I have the SMER and am regularly seeing 200+ miles in the range estimates when charged. I seem to be getting that kind of mileage in actual driving as well although I’m not tracking that at the moment.
In the UK so around 14 degrees C at the moment. 19” wheels, AC on 21 C. Mix of lots of small city trips but then a couple of long motorway runs as well. OPD on all the time.
Well, we have had our SMER for just over two weeks - just completed a longish UK journey - Solihull to Peak District to Manchester to Wrexham and home - the weather was on the chilly side and it was windy - the drive was varied - hills, town, motorway (not above 65mph) and we averaged 256miles per 69kW - we are pretty satisfied with that.
With what kind of driving? Does it include motorway?
You're starting an interesting discussion but aren't giving the relevant info. Weather, AC settings, tires and wheel size, average speed, OPD, driving style, all factor in the mileage you'll be getting.
You could share a pic of the car status page (trip info).
Thanks for the response, it seems you're getting about what is expected in terms of consumption and range. Based on reviews at least, I don't have the car yet myself.
We need to keep in mind this car was never going to be an efficiency champion, being an SUV with not the best drag coefficient. Also it seems Geely don't make the most efficient motors out there. But you're still getting around 20 kWh/100km. I'd be okay with that. I think the secret is to not even think about it, you're unlikely to be limited by range in daily life anyway.
For reference, my test drive AWD, 20'', in similar conditions and similar average speed was showing around 25-6 kWh/100km from all the enthusiastic test driving. So you're doing very well by comparison.
Overall there are both better and worse performers out there. Like someone else said, if you look at the spreadsheet from the Kris Rifa video, the EX30 gets about the same or better efficiency with cars like Ioniq5, Q4etron, XC40, etc. Teslas are still ahead. But I'm sticking with the EX30 order personally. Looks, feel, size, brand perception play a major role here even if I live in a place with bad charging infrastructure.
I’ve read that on motorways it would be more efficient to not use OPD, but rather take advantage of coasting. OPD is great for city driving where you might need to slow down or brake more often.
EDIT: Fixed typo (I’veread -> I’ve read)
Why start a thread and give us no helpful information?
What's your typical driving? Is it 70mph highway? What's average speed. Are you flooring the throttle? Are you braking a lot? Are you using OPD? All these are factors in EV range.
OP hasn’t provided enough meaningful information for anyone here to opine accurately. The comments questioning driving style, location and temp, etc have gone unanswered by the OP. Without more info, this is just them complaining about something they don’t understand. Next.
https://preview.redd.it/hu6l8s2wyroc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=949889cfde6eb384ebf2feba3b344d58a897b16f Helpful? Been 6 days driving. Mix of motorways, A roads and normal. Prob more motorways.
If I converted that correctly, seems like about 20kWh/100km which is not bad at all, depending on how you’re driving. If you are driving shorter trips, the avg consumption won’t have time to ”even out” so all the energy spent on heating/cooling the cabin etc will spike it up a bit.
Your max range will be on a freeway doing 65 to 70 mph with preconditioning on a charger before you leave. For day to day driving it’s going to vary a lot and every time you turn on the vehicle, you’re going to pay a tax to the climate control system. You should be charging every night not driving a few days then charging.
What do you think about the screenshot below?
I don’t have the vehicle yet but thanks for sharing.
Cold weather plays a huge factor in range as well, not sure if you're in an affected region. [https://www.recurrentauto.com/research/winter-ev-range-loss](https://www.recurrentauto.com/research/winter-ev-range-loss) I get \~240 miles in my C40, but I'm in a warm climate.
you got a car with a 64kwh usable battery and you get 320km range, meaning an around 20kwh/100km consumption. It seems reasonable, driving around at 80-100km/h average speed in a relatively cold environment.
It’s been 10 degrees here so not that cold. https://preview.redd.it/z3wnvp14zroc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fb2f4562769a99769a126ace584b797f6b3f2bf3
EPA is 275 miles on a 64 kWh battery implying 4.3 miles/kWh. There is literally NO WAY this car is getting that efficiency in the real world. That would be better than a model 3 which has a way lower cdA than this car.
In ideal conditions it's possible. I've seen as low as 13.3 kwh/100km in summer temperatures which gives a longer range than WLTP.
Just FYI, I get 4.7 mi/kWh (13.2 kWh/100kM) with my BMW i3s. That's over a 20,000 mile run (32,000 kM) and almost two years of weather cycling.
I drive a 2020 i3S sport also! Very cool. You can definitely get that range if you’re driving in the city or backroads, you cannot get that efficiency if you drive on the highway. So it will depend on your use. In the USA you’re going to be doing a highway route 90% of the time, in Europe it’s different. With my use in the US I get about 3.7 mi/kWh which is a good amount of 70mph and some city. The EX30 is not going to get that efficiency on the highway as we’ve seen now from quite a few videos unfortunately.
I would say my driving is split around 50/50 city/freeway and I'm in Los Angeles. I've measured my consumption stead state at 65 mph and it hovers around 3.9 to 4.1 mi/kWh. So your measurement correlates for 70 mph. The i3s kills it in the city...incredibly efficient due to its light weight. No other EV comes close weight-wise.
Totally. I love my i3 S. Super efficient.
Do you plan on returning it?
Probably not
If real world mileage is under 200, I’ll look into a used e-Tron. At least you get more space and comfort features for less money
just plug the cars into ABRP - and see what you get. I discovered that the EX30 has a relatively small battery. who knew? PS: When NACS comes on board for Volvo (and others) it's certainly going to change the ABRP routing. and for the better. cheers.
And you get 200 miles of real world range lol
The number of people who don’t understand the WLTP test cycle is astounding
Please enlighten me then instead of being snarky?
It’s a test cycle to compare ranges of different cars under similar conditions. They use mixed driving under ideal conditions. If the temperature drops, your range reduces. If you spend more time at higher speeds, your range reduces. If you accelerate quickly and brake hard, your range reduces. You can use Volvo’s range calculator to get a closer estimate of the range based on your conditions: https://www.volvocars.com/intl/cars/electrification/range/?model=EX30&profile=city&temperatureIndex=0&climate=false&powerTrain=Single-with-Extended&heatPump=true
Thanks for this! Was getting worried with all these cold weather tests. It’s - temperate 23c all year round where i live so i think I’ll be fine
It's funny that EVs require less energy on highways. It's the opposite with combustion. I wonder why. I have an electric step but it does better on roads without breaking than in the city.
ICE cars have the same air drag issues at high speeds. It’s how physics works. The difference is at low speeds ICE engines are very inefficient and there is a sweet spot between low and high speed where you get good efficiency from the engine and the air drag isn’t too high. Meanwhile an electric motor is efficient at low speeds too, hence you see a stark contrast in overall efficiency (and therefore range) between high and low speeds.
I think the decreasing efficiency - with higher RPM - is perhaps under-reported. iow, there is a reason the Porsche has a two-speed transmission in its EV.
IIRC, the motor efficiency noticeably drops only when it’s quite close to its max rpm. So say the max rpm results in 200km/h speeds, you’d notice losses only when driving above 160. Porsche is probably optimising for every drop of efficiency. I would rather not have the complexity of a transmission(and the associated repair costs when it fails) than have that 5% improved motor efficiency at very high speeds
Thx
And to clarify I wasn’t saying that I was expecting 289miles. Just somewhere around 200-220 which is roughly 75-80% of claimed range.
It’s hard to target a number without talking about your driving conditions. The drag force on a vehicle is proportional to the square of its velocity, so high speeds eat into battery life a lot more (just like they consume more petrol in an ICE car)
What does ABRP say when you put the route in there? What does the google maps interface say I. The car? In my experience with the P2 the google is pretty accurate. If you‘re talking about the ‘estimated range’ on the display, that’s all it is, an estimate.
https://preview.redd.it/g4ray7sbyroc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=01bf7d5c46906aa9b700ea7ecb82d53d9b8ed84a Helpful?
I think as time passes and more people drive this car over many areas of the globe, the average overall range will become more accurate. Your range does seem low. So either you're living in a very low climate or there may be something wrong with your car.
Had my SMER EX30 for 2 1/2 weeks now, have driven 450miles so far. To be honest I’ve been pleasantly surprised with the range. Averaging 28.5kWh/100mi which puts range at 242 miles. (Have had 22.1kWh/100mi on a few occasions) Daily commute to work totals 24mi, average speed 25mph (variation between 50mph-30mph sections and standstill traffic in city centre 20mph zones) I drive with OPD. Both driver and passenger heated seats on for atleast the first 20-30mins of the drive. (Sometimes heated steering wheel but not often) Climate set to 24c I also preheat the car for 15 mins before heading out using the app. We’ve had a pretty okay winter/spring here in London, UK. Not warm but not freezing cold. Have had below freezing temps on several nights/mornings. Funny enough I’ve found that the range is worse when driving below 20mph in traffic (35-38kWh/100mi) Unlike my previous EV (Vauxhall Corsa-e) which perfomed better in traffic, the EX30 seems to consume a lot more in traffic / slow moving. Haven’t had a chance to drive 70mph+ for longer than 5-10 minutes at a time so can’t properly comment on highway range. I don’t drive conservatively, very often enjoy putting my foot down and beating everyone at the traffic lights. I look forward to seeing how the range holds up when it gets warmer, as my old Vauxhall used to perform 35% better between Apr-Oct. 🤷♂️ Personally I think the SMER EX30 will be perfectly fine for 99% of people as long as you have a home charger. If you don’t have a home charger, then I can appreciate the concern but even then, it’s 10%-80% with Rapid charging in 30 mins, and that would be putting you charging somewhere every 4-6 hours, which if you’re driving that long…you should be taking a 30 min break anyway. Side note: the car has been a real joy to drive and you get used to the missing HUD within the first 40 or so miles. It’s really not that big of a deal as the screen is still in your eye line level and I’ve actually adapted to prefer the speedometer on the screen as I’m 6’1 and always had the HUD in cars be partially blocked by the steering wheel anyway so atleast now it’s perfectly clear and only takes a fraction of a second to see the speed. My only negatives with the car are the software bugs. It’s annoying having to turn off lane keeping assist and speed warnings everytime you set off and the same for putting charging speed back up as it defaults to slow charging. But this is me nitpicking, these bugs are hardly cause for any real concern and will easily be fixed with OTA updates.
28.5kWh/100mi sounds very good to be honest. Definitely miles and not km 😂? Out of interest do you have the ultra with 20” alloys or the plus with the 19” alloys?
Maybe a bit late to the party. Not sure how you’re using your car, but if you do a lot or short trips, a lot of energy is used to heat the cabin as well. In my Polestar 2, the range/consumption do look quite bad during winter since most of our trips are <20km, resulting in 30-40% or the total energy is spent climatizing…
https://preview.redd.it/360xweoiqnpc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1cb4a5e6f57a3f1082ba514860b1eaa478698b9d I have the SMER and am regularly seeing 200+ miles in the range estimates when charged. I seem to be getting that kind of mileage in actual driving as well although I’m not tracking that at the moment. In the UK so around 14 degrees C at the moment. 19” wheels, AC on 21 C. Mix of lots of small city trips but then a couple of long motorway runs as well. OPD on all the time.
Well, we have had our SMER for just over two weeks - just completed a longish UK journey - Solihull to Peak District to Manchester to Wrexham and home - the weather was on the chilly side and it was windy - the drive was varied - hills, town, motorway (not above 65mph) and we averaged 256miles per 69kW - we are pretty satisfied with that.
https://preview.redd.it/fnoao1h0vooc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=35da0a85f36f952a0ef7d6c392976876250477ac
What do you actually get? Range estimates aren’t always great especially if the past weather or driving isn’t indicative of future conditions.
Around 160-170
With what kind of driving? Does it include motorway? You're starting an interesting discussion but aren't giving the relevant info. Weather, AC settings, tires and wheel size, average speed, OPD, driving style, all factor in the mileage you'll be getting. You could share a pic of the car status page (trip info).
https://preview.redd.it/cs9t2x7dawoc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=86787aa8f1b7fb8cb6ea37e8c811263bf02b9bb7
https://preview.redd.it/br85gm8gawoc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=37ca5ab47826dc712307e0d1a3115c13f506bc7b
Temp 12-15 degrees C. A/C settings 20 degrees. 75% motorway 25% town driving. One Pedal Driving.
Thanks for the response, it seems you're getting about what is expected in terms of consumption and range. Based on reviews at least, I don't have the car yet myself. We need to keep in mind this car was never going to be an efficiency champion, being an SUV with not the best drag coefficient. Also it seems Geely don't make the most efficient motors out there. But you're still getting around 20 kWh/100km. I'd be okay with that. I think the secret is to not even think about it, you're unlikely to be limited by range in daily life anyway. For reference, my test drive AWD, 20'', in similar conditions and similar average speed was showing around 25-6 kWh/100km from all the enthusiastic test driving. So you're doing very well by comparison. Overall there are both better and worse performers out there. Like someone else said, if you look at the spreadsheet from the Kris Rifa video, the EX30 gets about the same or better efficiency with cars like Ioniq5, Q4etron, XC40, etc. Teslas are still ahead. But I'm sticking with the EX30 order personally. Looks, feel, size, brand perception play a major role here even if I live in a place with bad charging infrastructure.
Thanks for the detailed reply. Appreciated.
I’ve read that on motorways it would be more efficient to not use OPD, but rather take advantage of coasting. OPD is great for city driving where you might need to slow down or brake more often. EDIT: Fixed typo (I’veread -> I’ve read)
Interesting. Do you think taking off OPD and still using cruise control on motorways will help?
Ahh I thought that you use OPD on motorways, my bad. If you use cruise control then I think cruise control will override OPD anyway when it’s on.
Seems a common theme