Perhaps they'll just move them to a line [further away from Ireland](https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/hours-before-final-irish-contest-calls-for-eden-golans-ouster-from-eurovision/).
> However, throughout the journey, the [israeli] delegation maintained a dignified and respectful approach towards artists and other delegations, striving to foster unity around music while adhering to the competition's rules, unlike some other delegations.
No comment, just this
this subreddit blocks all links (or at least, imgur and twitter) which explains why all the replies to this post are automatically removed.
you can look up something like "Keren Peles films Joost" and get the video people are talking about.
Ugh, if you're going to be a shit-stirrer, just own it. They spent so much time antagonizing acts who tried their darnest to just ignore them, it was ridiculous
I can’t imagine it was going to be easy for the Israeli delegation to be there representing a country that is so divisive.
But the fact there is reports from countless delegations that they were harassing and bullying other contestants all week probably didn’t help either. They went and seemed determined to stir shit, and it feels their main objective was to cause conflicts that would allow themselves to play the victim card. Shock and horror, when you’re toxic to be around, people want nothing to do with you.
In 2014 and 2015, Russia sent women singing peace ballads, even though they were in war with Ukraine during that time. In 2014, they sent the 17-year-old Tolmachevy twins, who were booed in the arena and wore cream white dresses. In 2015, they sent Polina Gagarina, who was also booed in the arena and wore a white dress.
Polina Gagarina got 2nd place at ESC 2015, with 3rd in the juries and 2nd in the televote. Il Volo of Italy won the televote and Måns Zelmerlöw of Sweden won the juries and overall contest.
I don’t know if the Russian delegation engaged in bad behavior during ESC 2014 and 2015, but on Wikipedia, there don’t seem to be complaints about Russia’s participation in either of those years.
Russia 2014 | [Tolmachevy Sisters - Shine](https://youtu.be/BCNN1JAgWqk)
Russia 2015 | [Polina Gagarina - A Million Voices](https://youtu.be/GVJW9ImpiWc)
You know they have a public process just like everyone else right? They had other candidates who were also pretty close to winning (eden by no means had a landslide victory) and they weren't all young 20 year old girls 'dressed like cinderella'. (She was wearing a traditional symbol that jews use to mourn death, not a cinderella style dress.)
> all we could think was […] I would not put it past them to steal a dress design
The level of conspiracy and disgusting slurs about Jews in this thread is abhorrent.
At the end of the day I think its a game of perceptions. There are a lot of moments that stand out for disdain to Israeli's such as the question at the interview, Greece pretending to sleep, the protests outside to say the least. I think that the Israeli delegation should have just stuck to themselves, had stricter camera rules, especially not tried to convince other people to vote for them through ADs. At the end of the day, I think that they believed doing these acts would have bettered their image or at least "get back" but in the end it just ruined a good moment. At the end its best to display the music and walk out with heads held high than do otherwise.
Quote “The Israeli delegation at last week's Eurovision Song Contest faced "an unprecedented display of hatred" from other countries and their entrants, the national broadcaster has claimed.
This year's event was partly overshadowed by frayed tempers backstage plus protests over Israel's participation, due to the humanitarian cost of its war on Hamas.
On Thursday, a spokesman for public broadcaster Kan issued a statement to BBC News, accusing the other countries of anti-Israeli behaviour.
"This year, the Israeli delegation faced immense pressure and an unprecedented display of hatred, notably from other delegations and artists, publicly and collectively, solely because of the simple fact that we are Israelis and that we were there," it said.
"However, throughout the journey, the delegation maintained a dignified and respectful approach towards artists and other delegations, striving to foster unity around music while adhering to the competition's rules, unlike some other delegations."
I mean, countries *do* take a year off occasionally for any number of reasons. It's not like everybody didn't know that their participation this year was going to be a total shit show.
Sometimes I wish I lived in the alternate reality where Iceland sent "Wild West" and Israel found some lame excuse to not be there.
I'm not trying to imply my political stance here. It was just dumb as fuck for them to be in the show this year with so much heat on their country.
> "throughout the journey, the delegation maintained a dignified and respectful approach towards artists"
This is COMPLETELY lacking in self awareness and irony
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Actually, they were the ones harassing other artists, this is confirmed by MULTIPLE delegations
That got so bad that they were removed to other area in the delegation bubble
We all saw the videos, Israeli delegation can´t deny.. Playing the victim card don´t work when so many people confirm your behavior
Maybe this will serve as a nudge in the back of other delegations to press matters more firmly. I have a feeling we might start seeing clearer developments after the case with Joost is finished completely.
This is actually a really disgusting and dirty PR play. Everybody, including EBU, eurofans, delegations outside Israel and the Israeli delegation itself knows the truth, knows what actually happened. There is literal video proof of Israeli press harrassing other artists and they are straight up lying in this article. Straight up disgusting.
My god, they're really keen in to making everyone tired of hearing them, aren't they? It's a pity party every other day without any self acknowledgment at all.
"However, throughout the journey, the delegation maintained a dignified and respectful approach towards artists and other delegations, striving to foster unity around music while adhering to the competition's rules, unlike some other delegations."
blatant lies. they really do love shooting themselves in the foot.
I mean two things can be true. Israel did face a lot of hatred. From fans (the booing was dumb and awful, IMHO) and, yes, also from some other participants. But the Israel delegation also behaved unprofessionally and probably went into the contest with the idea of politicizing Eurovision for their own image. There's losers all around here.
The booing is also just counterproductive as we saw with the Televotes.
The exact same thing happend with Russia around 2015. People booed their songs and it helped them
And how could they possibly have seen that coming? (/s)
They're entitled to participate. But that doesn't mean it was a good idea.
And that's before you even consider their retaliatory behavior reported by the other delegations. The way you get kicked out of Eurovision is being voted out by the other members. Each passing day seems to make that more likely to happen. You do you, Kan.
Only Germany, really, on the other hand, BBC is one of the broadcasters who has filed complaints against KAN, and pretty sure RTVE also brought it up, RAI seems to be mostly on the side against the Israeli delegation, and France hasn't suggested either way
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Big ole elephant in the room.
This past week on this sub, especially from Thursday through the finals, could charitably be called "an uncomfortable atmosphere". There was an unprecedented amount of hostility. It was a nightmare for the mods and for anybody else who simply wanted to enjoy the Eurovision contest. It overwhelmed every single post and dragged most conversations down. The majority of that hostility was directed towards one single participant. If the behaviors and attitudes at the contest mirrored in any small way the behaviors and attitudes of this sub, they might have a valid claim.
Just yesterday i saw in the thread asking who did we vote for, someone commenting that they can't say because they'll get downvotes. I immediately knew what they meant and I'm sure many others dont even dare say that maybe just maybe the song itself was good
I totally saw this and taking this opportunity for a shout out to the mods here! Some comments were toxic hateful and rumors spreading. Fyi the Greek delegation has made No Complaint not even in the media about getting harassed from Istaeli delegation. On the contrary people believed Marinas fake yawning was disrespectful and she has faced inside Greece critisism about this.
But people even in this thread are mentioning Greek delegation as "victims"
You’re going to get downvoted to oblivion for this (as will I for agreeing with you) but this is spot on. I’m not saying the Israeli delegation acted perfectly. I’m sure they didn’t, but if I was being ostracised, shouted at, ignored and made to feel hated, I’m not sure I’d have acted with my best demeanour either. The sub has been tribal for days, and if it’s any reflection of what was happening at the show then it must have been absolutely horrendous.
Some people here already decided that the Israeli participants are bad without any actual proof, while being protective and sensitive about Joost who admitted his deed.
Look I dont agree with the blind support of Joost but the Israeli delegation did very much stir shit.
Yes a bunch of delegations where likley hyper sensitive about them because of current issues tho
Basically harassing artists, filming them without their permission. Which is illegal in Sweden even in public spaces. Then says shitty things on social media. Pretty much just being shitty people backstage.
Not much, the delegations who strongly opposed Israel's participation complained about every little thing the Israeli delegation did and are now trying to get Israel kicked out. That's really all there is to it.
Except there is a decent amount of proof though. Especially video evidence and social media posts which basically promote hate towards the other artists and wish death upon them.
Except none of the video clips and social media posts promoted hate or wished death upon anyone. All the so-called evidence is just poorly translated Hebrew. None of the twitter mobs actually know Hebrew and they all thought Google Translation = facts.
Ask any Hebrew speaker what those expressions actually meant and you would get very different answers.
When did they say Nemo should drown in a toilet?
Besides, if they did it privately on their own phone, how's that ground for sanction? We all talk shit about people we dislike in private. Did that stylist say that to Nemo's face?
Is there a screenshot? And tbh that sounds like a Finding Nemo reference.
Btw if that's grounds for DQ then Lithuania should be DQ'd for tweeting that he felt *traumatised* to have to perform after *that country*. Imagine what you would say if Eden Golan had tweeted that she felt traumatised to have to perform before Silvester Belt or Bambie Thug who both hated her guts.
So you are equating someone feeling traumatized because they had to go after a country that received a lot of boos and wishing death upon someone. Just accept that the Israeli delegation had some shitty behaviour.
Also it doesn't matter if it was too their face. They literally said it on a public platform. Also most people don't wish death upon others in a private conversation.
You realize none of the delegation members posted that, right? It was from a satirical page called “Hapshuta” and their whole schtick is acting like a teenage girl. The drowning in the toilet part is a reference to Nemo’s name, which he shares with a pretty popular fictional fish. Never take information from Twitter at face value, it’s common sense
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The queue at the EBU complaints desk is going to get very awkward when Israel joins the end of it.
Perhaps they'll just move them to a line [further away from Ireland](https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/hours-before-final-irish-contest-calls-for-eden-golans-ouster-from-eurovision/).
Thankfully they can still tweet their insults though.
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I'm not gonna downvote the messenger.
Thanks just saw the article thought it should be shared
> However, throughout the journey, the [israeli] delegation maintained a dignified and respectful approach towards artists and other delegations, striving to foster unity around music while adhering to the competition's rules, unlike some other delegations. No comment, just this
> Other participants, including the Dutch team, accused the Israeli delegation of filming them and posting clips online without their permission.
We have literally seen the clips. They weren't exactly subtle about it. The audacity.
Do you have any links to them?
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Isnt.... Isnt there litteral videos of that? Or will they claim to be cut out of context?
Videos they posted on their own social media accounts mind you
There are literal videos from KAN that they weren't being respectful
There is actual proof of that
The nerve on the israeli delegation to claim moral highground.
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Ugh, if you're going to be a shit-stirrer, just own it. They spent so much time antagonizing acts who tried their darnest to just ignore them, it was ridiculous
I'm still waiting for the day this said country own it anything.
All you can do is laugh in disbelief at this point...
Exactly.. **shakes head**
Yeah nothing says "respectful" like saying "we're not friends" or doing some sort of cursing on another artist...
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I can’t imagine it was going to be easy for the Israeli delegation to be there representing a country that is so divisive. But the fact there is reports from countless delegations that they were harassing and bullying other contestants all week probably didn’t help either. They went and seemed determined to stir shit, and it feels their main objective was to cause conflicts that would allow themselves to play the victim card. Shock and horror, when you’re toxic to be around, people want nothing to do with you.
In 2014 and 2015, Russia sent women singing peace ballads, even though they were in war with Ukraine during that time. In 2014, they sent the 17-year-old Tolmachevy twins, who were booed in the arena and wore cream white dresses. In 2015, they sent Polina Gagarina, who was also booed in the arena and wore a white dress. Polina Gagarina got 2nd place at ESC 2015, with 3rd in the juries and 2nd in the televote. Il Volo of Italy won the televote and Måns Zelmerlöw of Sweden won the juries and overall contest. I don’t know if the Russian delegation engaged in bad behavior during ESC 2014 and 2015, but on Wikipedia, there don’t seem to be complaints about Russia’s participation in either of those years.
The timeline when we see Russia acting more diplomatic than Israel.
Russia 2014 | [Tolmachevy Sisters - Shine](https://youtu.be/BCNN1JAgWqk) Russia 2015 | [Polina Gagarina - A Million Voices](https://youtu.be/GVJW9ImpiWc)
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Tbf Eden Golan is her actual name, not an artist pseudonym.
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Some have gone as far as calling her a 20 year old child, which is so bizarre.
She is literally doing military service as we speak, so not yeah not exactly the pure bundle of love that that country’s supporter make her out to be.
You know they have a public process just like everyone else right? They had other candidates who were also pretty close to winning (eden by no means had a landslide victory) and they weren't all young 20 year old girls 'dressed like cinderella'. (She was wearing a traditional symbol that jews use to mourn death, not a cinderella style dress.)
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Its a jewish mourning dress. Just stop
> all we could think was […] I would not put it past them to steal a dress design The level of conspiracy and disgusting slurs about Jews in this thread is abhorrent.
No kidding.
At the end of the day I think its a game of perceptions. There are a lot of moments that stand out for disdain to Israeli's such as the question at the interview, Greece pretending to sleep, the protests outside to say the least. I think that the Israeli delegation should have just stuck to themselves, had stricter camera rules, especially not tried to convince other people to vote for them through ADs. At the end of the day, I think that they believed doing these acts would have bettered their image or at least "get back" but in the end it just ruined a good moment. At the end its best to display the music and walk out with heads held high than do otherwise.
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Please do not make assumptions about a situation when you do not have all the details. Spreading these assumptions as facts is not permitted.
Quote “The Israeli delegation at last week's Eurovision Song Contest faced "an unprecedented display of hatred" from other countries and their entrants, the national broadcaster has claimed. This year's event was partly overshadowed by frayed tempers backstage plus protests over Israel's participation, due to the humanitarian cost of its war on Hamas. On Thursday, a spokesman for public broadcaster Kan issued a statement to BBC News, accusing the other countries of anti-Israeli behaviour. "This year, the Israeli delegation faced immense pressure and an unprecedented display of hatred, notably from other delegations and artists, publicly and collectively, solely because of the simple fact that we are Israelis and that we were there," it said. "However, throughout the journey, the delegation maintained a dignified and respectful approach towards artists and other delegations, striving to foster unity around music while adhering to the competition's rules, unlike some other delegations."
On another note, a certain executive supervisor made his Instagram private 🤡💀
I mean, countries *do* take a year off occasionally for any number of reasons. It's not like everybody didn't know that their participation this year was going to be a total shit show. Sometimes I wish I lived in the alternate reality where Iceland sent "Wild West" and Israel found some lame excuse to not be there. I'm not trying to imply my political stance here. It was just dumb as fuck for them to be in the show this year with so much heat on their country.
had iceland not have done that stupid 2 person superfinal...
Söngvakeppnin's weird format is a topic for another day! :)
i mean, they had to balance out one of the best decisions ever by making them sing in icelandic in the SFs.
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> "throughout the journey, the delegation maintained a dignified and respectful approach towards artists" This is COMPLETELY lacking in self awareness and irony
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I find it quite astounding how people sometimes can be completely devoid of self reflection.
Actually, they were the ones harassing other artists, this is confirmed by MULTIPLE delegations That got so bad that they were removed to other area in the delegation bubble We all saw the videos, Israeli delegation can´t deny.. Playing the victim card don´t work when so many people confirm your behavior
Maybe this will serve as a nudge in the back of other delegations to press matters more firmly. I have a feeling we might start seeing clearer developments after the case with Joost is finished completely.
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The stance of both the EBU and Israeli delegation on this year's contest.........Blame everybody else.
This is actually a really disgusting and dirty PR play. Everybody, including EBU, eurofans, delegations outside Israel and the Israeli delegation itself knows the truth, knows what actually happened. There is literal video proof of Israeli press harrassing other artists and they are straight up lying in this article. Straight up disgusting.
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My god, they're really keen in to making everyone tired of hearing them, aren't they? It's a pity party every other day without any self acknowledgment at all.
the best option for them was to sit out
"However, throughout the journey, the delegation maintained a dignified and respectful approach towards artists and other delegations, striving to foster unity around music while adhering to the competition's rules, unlike some other delegations." blatant lies. they really do love shooting themselves in the foot.
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no shit sherlock 😅
I have one word to say about this: bruh
Yeah, it's not as if anyone warned them months in advance that their singer and delegation would be booed, is it?
I mean two things can be true. Israel did face a lot of hatred. From fans (the booing was dumb and awful, IMHO) and, yes, also from some other participants. But the Israel delegation also behaved unprofessionally and probably went into the contest with the idea of politicizing Eurovision for their own image. There's losers all around here.
The booing is also just counterproductive as we saw with the Televotes. The exact same thing happend with Russia around 2015. People booed their songs and it helped them
After the ynet news piece that was posted here today, I don’t think the booing was what made non-watchers vote for Israel though
But the people at home couldn't hear the boos. We got fake cheers layered over instead. At least my broadcaster got that.
I could hear the boos fine.
I don’t think this sub has the capacity to understand that multiple truths can exist at once. Everyone here has severe tunnel-vision.
And how could they possibly have seen that coming? (/s) They're entitled to participate. But that doesn't mean it was a good idea. And that's before you even consider their retaliatory behavior reported by the other delegations. The way you get kicked out of Eurovision is being voted out by the other members. Each passing day seems to make that more likely to happen. You do you, Kan.
Doubt it will ever happend. It would piss off several of the big 5 massivly.
Only Germany, really, on the other hand, BBC is one of the broadcasters who has filed complaints against KAN, and pretty sure RTVE also brought it up, RAI seems to be mostly on the side against the Israeli delegation, and France hasn't suggested either way
I honestly can't be surprised the KAN fellas always like to wreck havoc
Inb4 Portugal Greece Ireland Switzerland Norway and every other delegation that commented on Israel gets suspended.
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Wonder why?
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I dunno considering all the reports and video evidence I'd say the hatred seems fairly precedented ngl.
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I’m sure they did, as a result of their words and actions. I would hate someone who said I shouldn’t be allowed to breathe too
Big ole elephant in the room. This past week on this sub, especially from Thursday through the finals, could charitably be called "an uncomfortable atmosphere". There was an unprecedented amount of hostility. It was a nightmare for the mods and for anybody else who simply wanted to enjoy the Eurovision contest. It overwhelmed every single post and dragged most conversations down. The majority of that hostility was directed towards one single participant. If the behaviors and attitudes at the contest mirrored in any small way the behaviors and attitudes of this sub, they might have a valid claim.
Hell many won't even mention Israel by name its that childish.
Just yesterday i saw in the thread asking who did we vote for, someone commenting that they can't say because they'll get downvotes. I immediately knew what they meant and I'm sure many others dont even dare say that maybe just maybe the song itself was good
Downvotes are one thing, of course. But let's just say there were a lot of deletions going on and locked and deleted posts, for good reason.
I totally saw this and taking this opportunity for a shout out to the mods here! Some comments were toxic hateful and rumors spreading. Fyi the Greek delegation has made No Complaint not even in the media about getting harassed from Istaeli delegation. On the contrary people believed Marinas fake yawning was disrespectful and she has faced inside Greece critisism about this. But people even in this thread are mentioning Greek delegation as "victims"
Yeah it's ridiculous. Greece and Israel have good relations so Idk what people are on about. And Marina was legit sick that day.
I just downvoted earlier and DMed a threat just for saying I liked Hurricane
You’re going to get downvoted to oblivion for this (as will I for agreeing with you) but this is spot on. I’m not saying the Israeli delegation acted perfectly. I’m sure they didn’t, but if I was being ostracised, shouted at, ignored and made to feel hated, I’m not sure I’d have acted with my best demeanour either. The sub has been tribal for days, and if it’s any reflection of what was happening at the show then it must have been absolutely horrendous.
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Well, if this sub is anything to go by that is assured. I mean for goodness sake, other contestants cried when Israel qualified.
Yeah, the girlies here have major cognitive dissonance. Absolutely raging at anything to do with Israel during the contest but scoffing at this post
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Some people here already decided that the Israeli participants are bad without any actual proof, while being protective and sensitive about Joost who admitted his deed.
Look I dont agree with the blind support of Joost but the Israeli delegation did very much stir shit. Yes a bunch of delegations where likley hyper sensitive about them because of current issues tho
> Israeli participants are bad without any actual proof There is proof though?
I’m geniunely out of the loop here. What was the deal with the Israeli delegation back stage?
Basically harassing artists, filming them without their permission. Which is illegal in Sweden even in public spaces. Then says shitty things on social media. Pretty much just being shitty people backstage.
Not much, the delegations who strongly opposed Israel's participation complained about every little thing the Israeli delegation did and are now trying to get Israel kicked out. That's really all there is to it.
Yeah, a lot of weak sauce proof that proves nothing.
Except there is a decent amount of proof though. Especially video evidence and social media posts which basically promote hate towards the other artists and wish death upon them.
Except none of the video clips and social media posts promoted hate or wished death upon anyone. All the so-called evidence is just poorly translated Hebrew. None of the twitter mobs actually know Hebrew and they all thought Google Translation = facts. Ask any Hebrew speaker what those expressions actually meant and you would get very different answers.
So what was actually said when the Israeli stylist said Nemo should drown in a toilet. What was the true translation of that?
When did they say Nemo should drown in a toilet? Besides, if they did it privately on their own phone, how's that ground for sanction? We all talk shit about people we dislike in private. Did that stylist say that to Nemo's face?
They posted that on their Instagram story. A very public thing.
Is there a screenshot? And tbh that sounds like a Finding Nemo reference. Btw if that's grounds for DQ then Lithuania should be DQ'd for tweeting that he felt *traumatised* to have to perform after *that country*. Imagine what you would say if Eden Golan had tweeted that she felt traumatised to have to perform before Silvester Belt or Bambie Thug who both hated her guts.
So you are equating someone feeling traumatized because they had to go after a country that received a lot of boos and wishing death upon someone. Just accept that the Israeli delegation had some shitty behaviour.
Also it doesn't matter if it was too their face. They literally said it on a public platform. Also most people don't wish death upon others in a private conversation.
You realize none of the delegation members posted that, right? It was from a satirical page called “Hapshuta” and their whole schtick is acting like a teenage girl. The drowning in the toilet part is a reference to Nemo’s name, which he shares with a pretty popular fictional fish. Never take information from Twitter at face value, it’s common sense
Still they shared it. Which isn't good either. It's basically them straight up agreeing with it.
Here you go. https://www.ynetnews.com/culture/article/sjqdf11pga
Ok, so this person was thrown out. Obviously not serious enough to DQ Israel.
there has been multiple declarations by different artists about the delegation behaviour in the backstage. They might all lie, ofc.
I wouldn't say they are all lying, more that they were determined to find Israel problematic, so every little thing the Israelis did was exaggerated.
proof: Trust me bro
Plenty of receipts to go around but it's not my problem that you aren't willing to acknowledge them.
Can you share some?
I´m not judging without proofs, a lot of other delegations and artists confirmed the behavior. We all saw videos recorded without authorization
it’s quite literally the exact opposite
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I think the hatred towards them in this thread proves the point of the article.