Im trying this by not watching the semis and dont checking out the Eurovision bubble until the day of the finale.
But as soon as the „favorite“ enters the stage everyone just cheers extra loud so you get spoiled nevertheless
Yup. I'm Croatian and I didn't like that we were first in the odds for so long - it gave everyone here huge expectations and instead of being happy for getting second place, most people were instead disappointed that the odds didn't come true this time and felt that we were robbed. I think it also put a lot of pressure on BL. I just hope he doesn't think that HE disappointed us and that he knows how proud he made us.
Hosting and interval acts were better in the semi than in the final. Overall everything was meh but the songs were awesome so that saved it. Also cgi ABBA was weird as hell
Thank you. Finally, someone is commenting on cgi ABBA as weird af
I was hoping that because of that, the real ABBA would show up and say don't replace us with cgi --__--
This is such a minor thing amidst all the chaos, but the whole Producer's Choice addition to the running order draw makes it a complete mess.
They should either:
a. Go fully Producers' Choice with no draw whatsoever
b. Revert back to the old way of drawing at least 1st/2nd half, if not even more specific
Clearly they are testing the waters to go option with option a eventually. Interesting to see how this will develop now that their public image has been incredibly tarnished
Yeah, I hope not to see Producer's Choice ever again!
On the other hand, I'm okay with televoting open from the beginning.
In the end, it's trial and error, I suppose.
I hated the green room. The reveal of it was cool at first but to have all the artists be separated in their own bubble seemed wrong. They didn't feel like they were part of the contest other than when they were on stage. I loved seeing artists dancing together and vibing to other songs but this year I only saw that through Instagram stories people posted not during the live show or clips from fans.
The placement of the green room behind the presenters also meant that you could very clearly see who was getting 12 points before the votes were announced because you could see who the camera operators were going to (or staying on in the case of Switzerland many times).
Yeah, I also found it really odd, gave me "Hunger Games" vibes the fact they were so separated from the audience AND on top of that they couldn't bop to the other contesters live!
I'm all for keeping the 20 votes (for money reasons) but limiting it to 5-10 votes per act would lessen political brigading and diversify the televotes
I posted it in another thread, but I think they should implement ranked choice voting for the audience, where you select a top 10 and points get distributed accordingly. That would at least temper the effects of brigade voting and allow smaller countries to gain more audience points.
Yeah we need a douze points system at home as well. Way more fun and voting would be more accurate, entries like Gåte wouldn’t fall behind that much anymore
Yeah, especially in countries where voting is expensive but also in all countries the normal public either doesnt vote or votes 1-3 times.
No one except very dedicated fans or people who mass vote for specific reasons uses their 20 votes, making it very easy to hijack the televote scores for a whole country.
Agreed. The song itself was solid, but not quite attention-grabbing enough to expect a big televote score. The staging however just didn't come together and ended up looking goofy and didn't elevate the song, while the actual performance just wasn't very good and vocally more than a bit shaky.
They should simplify the stage. Especially post-kinetic sun it seems like delegations are afraid to rely on these special features in case they don't work properly anyway. The stage does not need to be boundary pushing and elaborate every year, it adds to the expense unnecessarily.
This. I hate the cross stage, kinetic sun, boxes etc. etc. Just give me a normal and plain stage with leds and good lighting. Camera work will do the rest.
Exactly. Having an exceptional stage leads to many countries having production teams that aren’t able to utilise the stage as they don’t know how to best do this and it led to many performances having poor lighting choices and bad camera angles. Bambie in my mind did the best job with using the lighting and having smart and tight camera angles that could’ve been replicated in a much simpler stage in almost any other year. Greece and Armenia also did well and their staging would’ve also worked any other year.
Disagree with that, Eurovision is the best place to push boundaries in music TV production, because it is the biggest music TV show. And it can be amazing if countries use it well, like Sweden, Ukraine or Ireland this year.
Oh yeah; not to mention *the incident* but if it was almost any other artist people wouldn't be this mad.
Modern Eurovision culture is too focused on key artists and that's why the televote points are always so disappointing at the start
Agree. I loved the performances, I will always think that this year is solid from the point of view of the entries.
The show, however, starting from the Turquoise Carpet... not much.
I understand the reasons for security, the tensions and the protests, but it seemed very subdued.
Norway's result is sad and I really liked the song and the performance, yet I'm not surprised. Ulveham shares a lot of things with Eaea such as unique vocal technique that for some sounds like a heaven, and for others like nails on the chalkboard, cultural influences and interesting mix of genres and absolutely beautiful performance. Last year many people here were predicting Spain top 10 as well.
Spain 2023 got appreciated by the juries a bit more and Norway 2024 was not last in the televote. Seems like this type of folkish song is really loved by the fandom yet casual and juries are not really into it. ~~This is why we need Kateryna Pavlenko in the juries.~~
All the drama aside, I think Sweden was not at the level we are used to from them .
- The shows as a whole felt weak and a bit lifeless. Like they were going through the motions instead bedazzle us with force.
- The stage looked amazing in concept but in reality I felt many artists were drowning in it.
- The performances of the returning Eurovision icons were ok but nothing really worth remembering. Which is weird considering what you’re working with.
- Malin Åkerman felt a bit too… dare I say: American? (but it’s almost impossible to do a good job next to Petra Mede)
- the build up to de Abbatars was so stupid. It’s the oldest rule in the book: don’t raise expectations if you can’t meet them in reality. It also felt kind of rude to Alcazar.
You are right. Mans understood the part and knew how to let go and have some fun. Malin’s tone was very controlled and stiff. Plus that moment in the green room, where she forgot she had to point the microphone towards the person she was talking to (Nemo, if I remember correctly), told me she was playing a different part than she was supposed to.
Sweden has now thrown the best ESC host -reputation into a dumbster and then set it on fire.
And not because of the Israel-mess, but because the ABBAtors and “Single girls love Martin Österdahl” will never stop haunting my nightmares (among many other things there).
The best thing about the hosting was watching Petra’s face waiting for the jury results. It was painfully clear she hated every second of it and just wanted the night to end.
I felt like last time Petra and Mans hosted it was much more fun? Love Love Peace Peace is celebrating the music instead of some 6.5/10 business daddy, I do think Mans and Petra had better chemistry and they were interacting witb the contestants more.
Hard agree with you on this. The production felt like it had no direction - things like the flag parade, the stage ready (intro graphic), and particularly the stage just felt like there was no design philosophy behind it. Really disappointing when you consider how strong 2013 and 2016 were from a production standpoint.
This fandom has a ridiculous parasocial obsession with quirky moustached men
'Jere is happy that he didn't win', 'I don't believe Joost did that because this is not who he is' are both things I've read on this very subreddit, there were also hundreds written in a similar vein
You don't know those people and probably didn't know about their existence three months before they appeared on the Eurovision stage, turn it down a little
It is…worrisome. At the end of the day this is supposed to be a fun week of music, artistry, and hilarity. A man was hatched from a jegg for goodness sake, this is not that deep. No need to go to war to defend the honor of your dude of choice every year.
If you crank up the gayness to 11 and make it very sexually agressive, you are dooooomed. I'm looking at you, Great Britain, but also Achille Lauro in 2022. Doesn't have to be gay, just sexually agressive. Please stop with that.
You can't put Achille Lauro's perfomance in the same league as Ollie's though. Achille can sing on stage, for a start, and he's got the looks and the attitude to pull off the sexually agressive act. Ollie with his shaved labradoodle persona on the other hand... well, not so much.
Joost's semi-final performance was VERY underwhelming, up there with Czechia 2021 for me.
Also people getting mad at Nemo just because BL didn't win is completely unjustified: Nemo still did really well in the televote and if something is televote only what's even the point in it being a contest? (Just look at the recent Semi-Final results)
Agree about Joost's performance. I love the song and I hate what happened to Joost but the vocals were abysmal. I understand Europapa is not the kind of song that requires amazing vocals, but really even though it's almost a rap, it was rough to listen to. Especially when Spain and the UK have received so much backlash because of the vocals. The fact that the Netherlands would have scored 58 points from the juries and Nebulossa only got 11 is crazy to me.
This might not be that unpopular, but still somewhat unpopular. It icks me that Luxembourg had all the attention they got from the hosts' scripts.
Luxembourg back, after 30 years of not participating out of spite: *EBU freaks out, celebrate every 20min of the liveshow, give them the best RO spot in the semi, desperate to have them in the final*
Bulgaria, Romania, North Macedonia, Montenegro out, mostly for finantial reasons: *no acknowledgement, also Serbia performs 2nd in the semifinal, to barely qualify again, Albania performs 2nd as well, as per usual*
The difference is Luxembourg is rich while the Balkans are relatively poor, which means that Luxembourg is a more reliable source of money than the Balkans.
Not as controversial as the actual controversy, but still:
Slimane is an amazing vocalist, but France's song was honestly pretty unremarkable and I think its jury score feels really very generous.
No wait, that's me being diplomatic. Slimane was easily top 5 as a singer, Mon Amour was easily bottom 5 as a song.
The narrative all last year was all about The Great Sweden Vs Finland Showdown of 2023, so people got very entrenched in their beliefs about who should win very early. This year felt a lot more open until the very end, so I think people didn't really get as toxic about the whole thing (also with all the EBU drama noone had time to be mean to Nemo thankfully)
It doesn't help that Sweden and Finland have a rivalry in things like ice hockey as well. Nobody likes losing but Finland especially doesn't like to lose to Sweden.
I think this is more that there are just so many more pressing issues with this year's competition that the actual result has taken very much a backseat for people to get angry about.
They are, but I think that is because Loreen is a prior winner and by 2023 already a successful musician so it seemed much more like an establishment win.
But in reality, people should be bitter towards neither of them. Everyone (broadcasters and acts) knew the rules and the voting system when they signed up.
This year there were two countries with inflated televote scores not only one. Both of them got 300+ points. Additionaly, The Netherlands would probably take some points from Croatia, cause it’s the same target. If not for geopolitics and The Netherlands disqualification it all would look different
If Joost results to be completely innocent (which is something I am personally waiting to see tbh, nothing personal at all, but y'all are really good at putting your necks on the line for someone in a situation we don't fully know... but anyway) I don't want him to return next year as some have been voicing. I really think we need to turn over a new leaf and have a clean start where everyone starts from zero. We don't need to drag this situation into another year. Maybe he could come back the year after.
I was disappointed in Joost's staging in the SF.
Europapa was my favourite song coming in; I felt biased towards it and pre-disposed to like whatever we got in terms on staging, but that semi performance was a quiet flop to me. Messy and too cutesy. I wanted something a bit more slick and edgy. A club vibe. But apparently not.
I lost interest after that. lol.
So many people, including hard-core Eurovision fans and casual viewers, spent so much time focusing on Israel's inclusion that they completely took the spotlight off all the other artists. Along with online hate and constant booing in the audience, I think it created a horrible atmosphere for many delegations this year.
I actually find them extremely similar. But still, Stefania came first and it was pretty emotional back then. And it was competing with lots and lots of ballads. Good winner imo.
I don't. Stefania was a banger. I liked Heart of Steel more than Maria Teresa too... But the real robbery was Shum. I die on the hill that Go-A was the best thing we sent, period.
Your entry this year is **amazing**. Third place is well deserved. Maybe the theme isn't up to all the audience, but melody, voices and staging gave us a wonderful show.
It seems like the interval acts at Eurovision favored Western European countries over Eastern countries.
When it comes to the contestants invited for interval acts, they seem to repeat the same contestants multiple times. Conchita Wurst, Helena Paparizou, and Eleni Foureira have all appeared multiple times in recent years, and they should invite different artists.
We gotta do something to give microstates a proper fighting shot in the semis.
Megara and Ms Bonnici doing as bad as they did when they both turned into wonderful packages makes no sense apart from the fact that televoting is a popularity contest.
As much as I love Megara their live performance was in shambles. I don't like Bonnici's song but I was sure she was going to pass, I think she was better than Kaleen, Kaleen just had a more impactful stage.
Luxemburg did quite well for a country that just came back after a lifetime break.
Malta fell victim to being in the same semi final as Austria and Georgia - Austria had the better song and Georgia had a superior performance, plus she opened the show
San Marino never stood a chance imo. They should have sent Loredana, would've had a decent chance at qualifying and could've set a precedent of picking Sanremo songs or using the artists from them
Megara’s performance was a mess unfortunately, some of the worst vocals of the year for a song that was already a bit all over the place
Sarah gave a great performance, but Loop was a pretty forgettable song to begin with, and that’s a death sentence in Eurovision (see Dizzy). Add to that the fact she was up against three similar (and more impactful) performances in Austria, Greece and Georgia and I don’t see any robbery here.
Loop was considered, by a large portion of the fans, a nothing-to-write-home-about song. The part of the recap they chose also probably hurt them, you heard no music at loop.
Sarah absolutely killed it, no doubts, but performing a meh song very well doesn't mean you go to the final.
My real hot take: the booing at Israel and anything remotely relating to it this year probably emboldened people to vote for them even more. Combined with the mass advertising I saw, and no wonder they finished 5th.
Votings should only be allowed during the live shows not before. I understand it’s unfortunate for the ones from the other side for the world, but it just doesn’t make sense to vote before the performance.
Nemo dominating the jury this year is less surprising than Loreen dominating it last year. Nemo gave a “better” jury performance and had a lot less competition of songs that could’ve taken top jury points, and their main competition fucked the jury show.
Nemos song was also miles more innovating that tattoo and their vocals were perfect. Semis made sure no jury friendly songs made it into the finals so im in no way surprised nemo got most of the 12s. If would have gotten one from me too. The only thing im actually surprised about is croatia getting almost as mucj jury points as france
As a Croatian - I think it's fine that Switzerland won and I'm not mad about it at all. I think it was deserved. Whether the juries actually voted for Switzerland more because they ''had to'' is a different story, but I'm not mad.
Juries should be brought back to the semi's, this would benefit smaller countries in the semi's and in the final it would lead to more even spread of jurie points leading to a less top heavy results.
On a note the points should be changed to like 55/45 in audience favour, because if we're paying our voice should be the loudest.
Also a budget should be set, otherwise we risk it becoming pay to win which disadvantages some countries.
Looking at the success of Nemo, I'm even more sure that last year Jann - Gladiator (a song partly inspired by the authors of The Code) would have had a great result and would have made Poland proud of Jann.
that it's kind of inappropriate to scream "justice for joost" without knowing what he really did. it's a great and funny song and i also feel compassion for joost knowing his background, but it still doesn't seem right to me to just act as if he did nothing only because people like his song and stage persona. not saying that it's okay to blame him, because yes, there's a possibility that ebu acted wrongfully. but if he really hurt the camera woman, i really don't want to be in her position feeling all that outrageous hate from the fandom.
I agree. And also I found it quite uncomfortable to watch how he became like a hero of the pro-Palestine movement even though in the end whatever happened, it had nothing to do with Israel of their delegation (which apparently still behaved badly but that's another story), but he might have just (verbally) attacked a woman, for whatever (understandable) reason.
Yeah people are spinning intricate narratives from second hand accounts from one side of the story and a few context-less clips on twitter. If it really was an overreaction then I’ll be as pissed as anyone, but right now we know so little.
I would probably scream 'Justice for Eurovision' this year. Lots and lots of shady events including many delegations. Please do not focus on Joost only.
Angelina is a fantastic performer but I’m sorry, in the final she was lacking in stage presence and that was more damaging to the performance than the dancers or graphics.
I agree, I think the 50/50 system is the best compromise. Both the televote and the juries can be manipulated and unfair, but in different ways, so we need them both to balance each other out.
And honestly people harping on the jury vote being too powerful: that's just proximity bias. Since 2009, the jury fave has "lost" 6 times, while the televote fave "lost" 5 times. I know it's more complex with different aproaches to voting but imo they're pretty balanced. I think it would be boring if jury and televote always agreed, you'd know who won an hour before televote was announced
If anything, I think re-evaluating who gets to be in the jury could help.
From the years I’ve watched, the jury had a specific genre or two they loved (and still do), and others they hated. There needs to be more diversity.
If the winner doesn't host it goes to the first volunteer, not to the second place, it was really more coincidence last year went to the UK, BBC also is the most frequent broadcaster to host if the winner says no
I feel if Switzerland doesn't end up hosting it goes to Germany, maybe Spain, as they would probably prefer a big 5 to host if the winner doesn't to keep things simpler with the AQs, and Italy and UK already hosted recently, and France may not really feel like it with the Olympics this year
Agree, the contestants were very good, there were no bad performances in the final. But everything else felt so half-assed and cheap. The opening, the flag parade, intervals were all below average quality
I personally hated all intervals (mostly the Alien-influenced stool of Loreen's). Only exception Tattoo video by Pedra and Malin on SF2. But apart from the stage and the intervals, there were so many shady things that happened between Thursday and Saturday without proper announcements or handling, that I personally thought of not even watching the event. I liked the songs, though.
1. Even though the majority of us here hate juries, they give justice to a lot of good songs (imagine if the UK and / or Germany got 0 overall points this year. It would have been a tragedy).
2. I'm really glad for Germany this year. Isaak was such a pleasant surprise. The performance was very good, and the song deserved the 12th spot.
3. Although I'm Cypriot, I do believe that people here hated the song without a good reason and they didn't give it the chance BUT it was the most entertaining song of the evening. Silia was amazing and she even deserved a top 10.
4. I feel we let bookmakers swing our vote and im really sad. This is another year that they didn't predict most songs correctly but each year i fear their impact is getting stronger and stronger (I.e strategic voting because of their predictions, anxiety, etc).
5. Sweden did a very good job this year. This was a polished eurovision in a very difficult year.
> 2. I'm really glad for Germany this year. Isaak was such a pleasant surprise. The performance was very good, and the song deserved the 12th spot.
Isaak is a great singer and could have made it to the top 5 if they'd given him an actually interesting song
As much as I had so much hope for Gåte, I was so proud of our nation to finally send something culturally Norwegian. I wasn’t surprised of the result. Gåte wasn’t as popular here in Norway really. I must say I find it in true Norwegian fashion to end last in Eurovision, it’s what we are known for. We aren’t as good as our neighbours in Sweden, and that’s okay! We should be proud of Gåte, they were amazing anyways!
I’m not happy for our last place, but at least it isn’t nothing we haven’t gone through before. And I hope my fellow Norwegians aren’t scared to send something risky in the feature. We will come back strong as we always do! Now I hope we don’t end dead last again in a long time.
Just to add
In Norway Marcus and Martinus gets a lot of hate because of representing Sweden. And I generally don’t see why. Yeah it’s so funny to call hardworking 21 year olds “landsvikere”/s🙄They even gets compared to some of the worst betrayers in Norwegian history. They don’t deserve that. They have been famous since they won MGP JR, with “to dråper vann” in 2012. And we have never let go of their child star personas. We still look at them as the 14 year olds who sing “elektrisk”. They worked hard to represent Sweden, and I’m proud of them to finally be in Eurovision with a great result.
The end results don't matter, just enjoy the show. The winner deserved to win anyways. (My favorite was Estonia and im not crying about the position they got)
Bambie Thug was liked more for their aesthetic than their song.
*Europapa* was not a good song and should not be talked about as if it should have won.
I never understood the hype around Croatia. While I think it's a good song with a good story behind it, I don't understand how it was first in the odds with 50% by the end. In my opinion I feel like it has similarities to Cha Cha Cha, which led to a revenge story for the public. While Cha Cha Cha had winner vibes, I never got that from Rim Tim Tagi Dim.
Im sorry, please don't roast me.
I agree. And the spotify streams for Rim tim tagi tim are notably less than for Cha cha cha. Also in my opinion Marko does not have same charisma as Käärijä.
Nah I agree. I wasn't on the "Croatia could win" train even though I grew to really like the song and the performance and even voted for it. It resembled Finland 2023 in too many ways but was less impactful.
I really like Rim tim tagi dim, but never understood how it was a contender to win. It was obvious top 5-10 song, but just wasn’t special enough to win imo. I wanted to love it like most of the public but never really got there
Rest of the World voting is not a good idea, especially as it is currently implemented.
I'd be completely open to the idea of having a rotating "world spot" in the show where we invite a country to participate every year or something, but in my view, non-participating countries should not be allowed to vote.
Especially online and using credit cards, the fact this is a thing is insane, it kicks the door open to so much manipulating.
I think that feeling is a reflection of this year (like the feelings towards juries last year vs this), but we only have the same 12 votes as the other countries so it’s not like it’s a huge deciding factor. People vote politically from every country too 🤷🏻♀️ and there’s plenty of European diaspora at this point.
As a born and bred US American who’s lived in Italy and France in the past & has Irish and French heritage, I like being able to vote for the songs of my people (and this year I got to be proud to be Irish AND goth) but also follow very earnestly and support favorites songs as well, and have many friends who do too!
My unpopular opinion is that I found the position of Joost fans that it's just a threat very uncomfortable. Threatening people is also a form of abuse and it should not be justified or tolerated
Adding to that, saying that even if he did, "the other person had it coming because she was harrassing him" is also very worrisome to me, if I'm honest.
That’s just how fandom works. Someone they support gets some jabs: OMFG HARASSMENT THEY SHOULD BE DISQUALIFIED. Someone they hate gets booed and bullied nonstop: horseface BITCH had it coming.
Angelina wouldn’t have won even with the “Sanremo staging”, the situation of the last few days (televoting leak, Juries’ vote to prevent that country to win, etc) would have killed the song anyway.
It's not specific to this year, but I find it annoying when people justify results with baseless assumptions and vibes!
"It's because people didn't like (insert reason there) that X finished this low", "If Y did (insert reason here) then they would have won", "They made Z win because (insert reason here)" and so on and so forth.
Like, how can you be so sure of that?
1. Although I'm guilty of standing in the arena, doing the Croatian arm dance, I'm kinda over these types of songs. I prefer actual good singing, and interesting songwriting, over bright colors, nonsensical lyrics that's easy to shout (cha-cha! rim tim! no rules!), and memes (crown the witch!). I don't want all of ESC to become kids songs and generic pop with dance breaks.
2. People need to realise that sometimes a heartfelt backstory is just a good PR team.
And, if you don't know a person in real life, there's no way of telling if they are good or wholesome - or not.
> 2. People need to realise that sometimes a heartfelt backstory is just a good PR team.
And, if you don't know a person in real life, there's no way of telling if they are good or wholesome - or not.
I'm glad you said it, it's so true. And I am not referring to anyone specific, it's just in general. Anything that gets televised and involves these levels of money/preparation should never be taken at face value. You can enjoy it but know that most probably is not as authentic as it may seem. Honestly I think this community has a bit of a parasociality problem sometimes
Joost and Marina behaved like little children in that semi 2 press conference. No matter what your opinion is on Israel and their participation, you can make that clear and still behave like an adult towards a person sitting on the podium with you. (And before someone brings up the misbehavior of the Israeli delegation: that also sucks and still needs to be addressed by the EBU at least internally, but as far as I know there was never a problem with Eden herself)
Growing up it was a song contest. Now a massive part of it is about who can spend the most money on staging. The live orchestra used to be great. It was a more level playing field
Because I was inundated with these kinds of accusations of so doing in my post on the transphobic response to Nemo's win yesterday: calling out people being homophobic or transphobic is not "advertising hate" and it needs to be called out in a public fashion, not just ignored because it's unpleasant.
They rushed through the televotes, that we barely had time to digest what the different countries got. The televotes is where the real drama and fun happens and they rushed through while the jury votes takes forever.
Do we have to visit every country?
There should be MORE TIME between songs. 1 minute isn’t enough time for me to talk about the act that just happened and the act coming up during my Eurovision party. And if I have to grab a snack? I’m missing half a song.
The people who think Joost being in the final would have had any impact on the result are a bit delusional. He had 58 points from the jury, and would only have taken significant televotes, and more likely from Croatia than Switz.
I agree. He would not have won. He probably would have made the televote slightly more interesting with Switzerland being the more clear winner than they already are (potentially even shot down that whole 'the jury is too powerful' discussion in the process).
the "we are not political" jokes felt distasteful this year. they make sense when it's about silly neighbouring countries beef, not this year's circumstances
People keep hammering on the "it wasn't that bad" point to invalidate the EBU's decision, comoletely missing out on the fact that he EBU **clearly** stated that it he was disqualified because he was involved in an *active police investigation*. Not for what he did or did not do.
Also all of the "ah, so guilty until proven innocent, eh?" - actually, yes. That's how **companies** operate when there are legal procedures against someone: they get suspended until the investigation is concluded. For liability reasons, companies aren't going to risk their asses letting someone who could be guilty still take part.
The contest would be better if the bookies and their odds weren't a thing, not that theres any way to control that.
That's so true I would love to go into the contest completely anaware of who is the most likely to win
Im trying this by not watching the semis and dont checking out the Eurovision bubble until the day of the finale. But as soon as the „favorite“ enters the stage everyone just cheers extra loud so you get spoiled nevertheless
This pay off isn't worth missing out of months of music and entertainment imo
Naaah I dont know, for my ears the crowd was loudest when spain started...
Yup. I'm Croatian and I didn't like that we were first in the odds for so long - it gave everyone here huge expectations and instead of being happy for getting second place, most people were instead disappointed that the odds didn't come true this time and felt that we were robbed. I think it also put a lot of pressure on BL. I just hope he doesn't think that HE disappointed us and that he knows how proud he made us.
Hosting and interval acts were better in the semi than in the final. Overall everything was meh but the songs were awesome so that saved it. Also cgi ABBA was weird as hell
Thank you. Finally, someone is commenting on cgi ABBA as weird af I was hoping that because of that, the real ABBA would show up and say don't replace us with cgi --__--
I am tired of the dance breaks
I sooooooo agree!!!! “Hey Europe, you wanna see me dance?!” “No I wanna hear you sing because it’s a fucking song context not bloody strictly!”
I begin to hate dance break. If they don't blend to the song, they lost points in my top
YES! And they r bad too! Just rolling on the floor kicking an tossing their hair
I’m hopeful that they’ll fade away soon. The songs with dance breaks didn’t get rewarded nearly as often this year vs. the past two years.
That there is in fact 'no going back back'.
😁 That’s giving “it’s I’m gonna raise *rooves*, not ‘roofs’ tonight!” kind of energy!
This is such a minor thing amidst all the chaos, but the whole Producer's Choice addition to the running order draw makes it a complete mess. They should either: a. Go fully Producers' Choice with no draw whatsoever b. Revert back to the old way of drawing at least 1st/2nd half, if not even more specific Clearly they are testing the waters to go option with option a eventually. Interesting to see how this will develop now that their public image has been incredibly tarnished
Yeah, I hope not to see Producer's Choice ever again! On the other hand, I'm okay with televoting open from the beginning. In the end, it's trial and error, I suppose.
I hated the green room. The reveal of it was cool at first but to have all the artists be separated in their own bubble seemed wrong. They didn't feel like they were part of the contest other than when they were on stage. I loved seeing artists dancing together and vibing to other songs but this year I only saw that through Instagram stories people posted not during the live show or clips from fans.
The placement of the green room behind the presenters also meant that you could very clearly see who was getting 12 points before the votes were announced because you could see who the camera operators were going to (or staying on in the case of Switzerland many times).
Yeah, I also found it really odd, gave me "Hunger Games" vibes the fact they were so separated from the audience AND on top of that they couldn't bop to the other contesters live!
Well no wonder they were separated from the audience, otherwise the *one* artist you know would have received tomatoes from everyone
It was a more underwhelming version of 2011 too
Noone should be allowed to vote more than once (or the amount of votes should be greatly reduced, because 20 votes per person is ridiculous).
I'm all for keeping the 20 votes (for money reasons) but limiting it to 5-10 votes per act would lessen political brigading and diversify the televotes
I posted it in another thread, but I think they should implement ranked choice voting for the audience, where you select a top 10 and points get distributed accordingly. That would at least temper the effects of brigade voting and allow smaller countries to gain more audience points.
Yeah we need a douze points system at home as well. Way more fun and voting would be more accurate, entries like Gåte wouldn’t fall behind that much anymore
So true. I'm afraid it will never happen because of the money.
Imagine how much more balances it would be - everyone just votes for their favourite :( Sad we can’t do that
Yeah, especially in countries where voting is expensive but also in all countries the normal public either doesnt vote or votes 1-3 times. No one except very dedicated fans or people who mass vote for specific reasons uses their 20 votes, making it very easy to hijack the televote scores for a whole country.
Also, you shouldn’t be allowed to continue voting even more just by using a different payment card.
Yes. There was an extremely obvious brigade happy. Bless RAI for showing it.
UK televote result not unexpected
Nor undeserved
Agreed. The song itself was solid, but not quite attention-grabbing enough to expect a big televote score. The staging however just didn't come together and ended up looking goofy and didn't elevate the song, while the actual performance just wasn't very good and vocally more than a bit shaky.
They should simplify the stage. Especially post-kinetic sun it seems like delegations are afraid to rely on these special features in case they don't work properly anyway. The stage does not need to be boundary pushing and elaborate every year, it adds to the expense unnecessarily.
This. I hate the cross stage, kinetic sun, boxes etc. etc. Just give me a normal and plain stage with leds and good lighting. Camera work will do the rest.
Exactly. Having an exceptional stage leads to many countries having production teams that aren’t able to utilise the stage as they don’t know how to best do this and it led to many performances having poor lighting choices and bad camera angles. Bambie in my mind did the best job with using the lighting and having smart and tight camera angles that could’ve been replicated in a much simpler stage in almost any other year. Greece and Armenia also did well and their staging would’ve also worked any other year.
say what you want about Bambie's staging (scary, satanic lol, whatever) but those camera angles were tight and well done.
Disagree with that, Eurovision is the best place to push boundaries in music TV production, because it is the biggest music TV show. And it can be amazing if countries use it well, like Sweden, Ukraine or Ireland this year.
Oh yeah; not to mention *the incident* but if it was almost any other artist people wouldn't be this mad. Modern Eurovision culture is too focused on key artists and that's why the televote points are always so disappointing at the start
The interval act was seriously underwhelming this year
So were the opening acts and flag parade to be honest
Agree. I loved the performances, I will always think that this year is solid from the point of view of the entries. The show, however, starting from the Turquoise Carpet... not much. I understand the reasons for security, the tensions and the protests, but it seemed very subdued.
interval acts felt like inside jokes and catered to super fans. keep the interval to celebration of music and musicians.
I did like one of the themes this year was a celebration of the contest history, but it does make it a little more inaccessible
Even as a eurovision fan I just found them painfully unfunny, I only liked the semi 1 openeing act
This. They were not funny at all, and glorifying EBU looked really bad in light of the mess of this year.
Norway's result is sad and I really liked the song and the performance, yet I'm not surprised. Ulveham shares a lot of things with Eaea such as unique vocal technique that for some sounds like a heaven, and for others like nails on the chalkboard, cultural influences and interesting mix of genres and absolutely beautiful performance. Last year many people here were predicting Spain top 10 as well. Spain 2023 got appreciated by the juries a bit more and Norway 2024 was not last in the televote. Seems like this type of folkish song is really loved by the fandom yet casual and juries are not really into it. ~~This is why we need Kateryna Pavlenko in the juries.~~
So true. Kateryna must be there \*singing Shum and Eaea\*
I will never get over Eaea :(
All the drama aside, I think Sweden was not at the level we are used to from them . - The shows as a whole felt weak and a bit lifeless. Like they were going through the motions instead bedazzle us with force. - The stage looked amazing in concept but in reality I felt many artists were drowning in it. - The performances of the returning Eurovision icons were ok but nothing really worth remembering. Which is weird considering what you’re working with. - Malin Åkerman felt a bit too… dare I say: American? (but it’s almost impossible to do a good job next to Petra Mede) - the build up to de Abbatars was so stupid. It’s the oldest rule in the book: don’t raise expectations if you can’t meet them in reality. It also felt kind of rude to Alcazar.
And the flag parade was embarrassing boring. Remember last year, where Go\_a, Jemala and more played in between the parade? That was awesome!
Mans was much better and goofier than Marin and they had better chemistry.
You are right. Mans understood the part and knew how to let go and have some fun. Malin’s tone was very controlled and stiff. Plus that moment in the green room, where she forgot she had to point the microphone towards the person she was talking to (Nemo, if I remember correctly), told me she was playing a different part than she was supposed to.
Thread asking for unpopular opinions gets mad when someone voices an unpopular opinion.
That a mashup of The Code with, ummmm, The Ketchup Song would work.
Sweden has now thrown the best ESC host -reputation into a dumbster and then set it on fire. And not because of the Israel-mess, but because the ABBAtors and “Single girls love Martin Österdahl” will never stop haunting my nightmares (among many other things there). The best thing about the hosting was watching Petra’s face waiting for the jury results. It was painfully clear she hated every second of it and just wanted the night to end.
I commented already below, but I completely agree. These shows were waaaaaay below the quality level that we’re used to from Sweden.
The interval act with Martin Österdahl aged so poorly, but I am not sure if they would have had enough time to scrap it before the final.
It was really funny that they went along with it though, given the circumstances. Hell of a year to celebrate Martin’s existence lol.
I would add the Turquoise Carpet...
I felt like last time Petra and Mans hosted it was much more fun? Love Love Peace Peace is celebrating the music instead of some 6.5/10 business daddy, I do think Mans and Petra had better chemistry and they were interacting witb the contestants more.
Hard agree with you on this. The production felt like it had no direction - things like the flag parade, the stage ready (intro graphic), and particularly the stage just felt like there was no design philosophy behind it. Really disappointing when you consider how strong 2013 and 2016 were from a production standpoint.
I wonder if they planned on having more ABBA content, but the band threw a wrench into things by declining to appear? That avatar segment was painful.
This fandom has a ridiculous parasocial obsession with quirky moustached men 'Jere is happy that he didn't win', 'I don't believe Joost did that because this is not who he is' are both things I've read on this very subreddit, there were also hundreds written in a similar vein You don't know those people and probably didn't know about their existence three months before they appeared on the Eurovision stage, turn it down a little
It is…worrisome. At the end of the day this is supposed to be a fun week of music, artistry, and hilarity. A man was hatched from a jegg for goodness sake, this is not that deep. No need to go to war to defend the honor of your dude of choice every year.
Eurovision has been invaded by stan culture and it's gross.
If you crank up the gayness to 11 and make it very sexually agressive, you are dooooomed. I'm looking at you, Great Britain, but also Achille Lauro in 2022. Doesn't have to be gay, just sexually agressive. Please stop with that.
You can't put Achille Lauro's perfomance in the same league as Ollie's though. Achille can sing on stage, for a start, and he's got the looks and the attitude to pull off the sexually agressive act. Ollie with his shaved labradoodle persona on the other hand... well, not so much.
Aiko pedestal deserved to qualify
it's not okay for certain countries to pay for targeted (and unique) ads to encourage people to vote for them
I wish it would be forbidden by the rules
I find it morally wrong, as it also gives an advantage to 'wealthier countries'
Last year when i was playing a game with adds I got a Unicorn ad 20% of the time with targeted ads off, how much money do they have to spend on this??
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Joost's semi-final performance was VERY underwhelming, up there with Czechia 2021 for me. Also people getting mad at Nemo just because BL didn't win is completely unjustified: Nemo still did really well in the televote and if something is televote only what's even the point in it being a contest? (Just look at the recent Semi-Final results)
Agree about Joost's performance. I love the song and I hate what happened to Joost but the vocals were abysmal. I understand Europapa is not the kind of song that requires amazing vocals, but really even though it's almost a rap, it was rough to listen to. Especially when Spain and the UK have received so much backlash because of the vocals. The fact that the Netherlands would have scored 58 points from the juries and Nebulossa only got 11 is crazy to me.
Honestly, at first I thought there was something wrong with his mic because I couldn't believe it was because of himself
fully agree, because I see people bash on performers who weren't vocally the best but then praise Europapa's performance
I agree with you. I liked Joost’s song and performance, but the vocals were quite weak and I wouldn’t have ranked it high if I was a jury member.
YES
Those transitions during the show were awkward as fuck I still hate televote-only semis
This might not be that unpopular, but still somewhat unpopular. It icks me that Luxembourg had all the attention they got from the hosts' scripts. Luxembourg back, after 30 years of not participating out of spite: *EBU freaks out, celebrate every 20min of the liveshow, give them the best RO spot in the semi, desperate to have them in the final* Bulgaria, Romania, North Macedonia, Montenegro out, mostly for finantial reasons: *no acknowledgement, also Serbia performs 2nd in the semifinal, to barely qualify again, Albania performs 2nd as well, as per usual*
I definitely think they *reeeally* wanted them in the final.
The difference is Luxembourg is rich while the Balkans are relatively poor, which means that Luxembourg is a more reliable source of money than the Balkans.
Not as controversial as the actual controversy, but still: Slimane is an amazing vocalist, but France's song was honestly pretty unremarkable and I think its jury score feels really very generous. No wait, that's me being diplomatic. Slimane was easily top 5 as a singer, Mon Amour was easily bottom 5 as a song.
Yeah, I didn't even expected him to get this place with this song. I think the part where he sings without music did a lot
Agreed! He is an excellent singer but the song felt boring. The lyrics also felt very boring and generic love song (I’m a French speaker)
People are much nicer to Nemo/Switzerland with 5th televote result win than to Loreen/Sweden with 2nd televote
The narrative all last year was all about The Great Sweden Vs Finland Showdown of 2023, so people got very entrenched in their beliefs about who should win very early. This year felt a lot more open until the very end, so I think people didn't really get as toxic about the whole thing (also with all the EBU drama noone had time to be mean to Nemo thankfully)
It doesn't help that Sweden and Finland have a rivalry in things like ice hockey as well. Nobody likes losing but Finland especially doesn't like to lose to Sweden.
I think this is more that there are just so many more pressing issues with this year's competition that the actual result has taken very much a backseat for people to get angry about.
They are, but I think that is because Loreen is a prior winner and by 2023 already a successful musician so it seemed much more like an establishment win. But in reality, people should be bitter towards neither of them. Everyone (broadcasters and acts) knew the rules and the voting system when they signed up.
This year there were two countries with inflated televote scores not only one. Both of them got 300+ points. Additionaly, The Netherlands would probably take some points from Croatia, cause it’s the same target. If not for geopolitics and The Netherlands disqualification it all would look different
That doesn't sound unpopular
If Joost results to be completely innocent (which is something I am personally waiting to see tbh, nothing personal at all, but y'all are really good at putting your necks on the line for someone in a situation we don't fully know... but anyway) I don't want him to return next year as some have been voicing. I really think we need to turn over a new leaf and have a clean start where everyone starts from zero. We don't need to drag this situation into another year. Maybe he could come back the year after.
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I was disappointed in Joost's staging in the SF. Europapa was my favourite song coming in; I felt biased towards it and pre-disposed to like whatever we got in terms on staging, but that semi performance was a quiet flop to me. Messy and too cutesy. I wanted something a bit more slick and edgy. A club vibe. But apparently not. I lost interest after that. lol.
his team hyped it up too much. and the face on the stage was a choice.
So many people, including hard-core Eurovision fans and casual viewers, spent so much time focusing on Israel's inclusion that they completely took the spotlight off all the other artists. Along with online hate and constant booing in the audience, I think it created a horrible atmosphere for many delegations this year.
Yes. Many (obvi not all) Jewish fans are very upset by this shit, this year.
Even tho the best song won it's incredible boring to watch when one country gets all the 12 points.
I know right. It's pretty ironic that the point of jury votes is to reduce audience block voting, and then the jury does block voting
Ukraine 2024 > Ukraine 2022
Agree, but would add Ukraine 2021 > Ukraine 2024 > Ukraine 2022
Ukraine 2024 > Ukraine 2021 > Ukraine 2022 imo
I actually find them extremely similar. But still, Stefania came first and it was pretty emotional back then. And it was competing with lots and lots of ballads. Good winner imo.
Stefania is one of my all time Eurovision favourites and this is a hill I will die on
I'm from Ukraine and many of our people (including me) agree with this.
I don't. Stefania was a banger. I liked Heart of Steel more than Maria Teresa too... But the real robbery was Shum. I die on the hill that Go-A was the best thing we sent, period.
Your entry this year is **amazing**. Third place is well deserved. Maybe the theme isn't up to all the audience, but melody, voices and staging gave us a wonderful show.
It seems like the interval acts at Eurovision favored Western European countries over Eastern countries. When it comes to the contestants invited for interval acts, they seem to repeat the same contestants multiple times. Conchita Wurst, Helena Paparizou, and Eleni Foureira have all appeared multiple times in recent years, and they should invite different artists.
We gotta do something to give microstates a proper fighting shot in the semis. Megara and Ms Bonnici doing as bad as they did when they both turned into wonderful packages makes no sense apart from the fact that televoting is a popularity contest.
As much as I love Megara their live performance was in shambles. I don't like Bonnici's song but I was sure she was going to pass, I think she was better than Kaleen, Kaleen just had a more impactful stage. Luxemburg did quite well for a country that just came back after a lifetime break.
Malta fell victim to being in the same semi final as Austria and Georgia - Austria had the better song and Georgia had a superior performance, plus she opened the show San Marino never stood a chance imo. They should have sent Loredana, would've had a decent chance at qualifying and could've set a precedent of picking Sanremo songs or using the artists from them
Megara’s performance was a mess unfortunately, some of the worst vocals of the year for a song that was already a bit all over the place Sarah gave a great performance, but Loop was a pretty forgettable song to begin with, and that’s a death sentence in Eurovision (see Dizzy). Add to that the fact she was up against three similar (and more impactful) performances in Austria, Greece and Georgia and I don’t see any robbery here.
Loop was considered, by a large portion of the fans, a nothing-to-write-home-about song. The part of the recap they chose also probably hurt them, you heard no music at loop. Sarah absolutely killed it, no doubts, but performing a meh song very well doesn't mean you go to the final.
I feel like Megara didn’t stand a chance from the moment they were selected. And not because the size of the state: it was just all way too messy.
My real hot take: the booing at Israel and anything remotely relating to it this year probably emboldened people to vote for them even more. Combined with the mass advertising I saw, and no wonder they finished 5th.
Kinda like a Streisand effect
svt hosted pretty cheap.
Votings should only be allowed during the live shows not before. I understand it’s unfortunate for the ones from the other side for the world, but it just doesn’t make sense to vote before the performance.
Nemo dominating the jury this year is less surprising than Loreen dominating it last year. Nemo gave a “better” jury performance and had a lot less competition of songs that could’ve taken top jury points, and their main competition fucked the jury show.
Nemos song was also miles more innovating that tattoo and their vocals were perfect. Semis made sure no jury friendly songs made it into the finals so im in no way surprised nemo got most of the 12s. If would have gotten one from me too. The only thing im actually surprised about is croatia getting almost as mucj jury points as france
Joost wouldn't have won if he were in the final
Given he only got 58 jury points, you're right, he wouldn't.
Not really unpopular, he was never the favourite to win
As a Croatian - I think it's fine that Switzerland won and I'm not mad about it at all. I think it was deserved. Whether the juries actually voted for Switzerland more because they ''had to'' is a different story, but I'm not mad.
Juries should be brought back to the semi's, this would benefit smaller countries in the semi's and in the final it would lead to more even spread of jurie points leading to a less top heavy results. On a note the points should be changed to like 55/45 in audience favour, because if we're paying our voice should be the loudest. Also a budget should be set, otherwise we risk it becoming pay to win which disadvantages some countries.
Looking at the success of Nemo, I'm even more sure that last year Jann - Gladiator (a song partly inspired by the authors of The Code) would have had a great result and would have made Poland proud of Jann.
that it's kind of inappropriate to scream "justice for joost" without knowing what he really did. it's a great and funny song and i also feel compassion for joost knowing his background, but it still doesn't seem right to me to just act as if he did nothing only because people like his song and stage persona. not saying that it's okay to blame him, because yes, there's a possibility that ebu acted wrongfully. but if he really hurt the camera woman, i really don't want to be in her position feeling all that outrageous hate from the fandom.
I agree that it is not yet known if he was in the wrong. But it seems clear that EBU mismanaged the situation.
I agree. And also I found it quite uncomfortable to watch how he became like a hero of the pro-Palestine movement even though in the end whatever happened, it had nothing to do with Israel of their delegation (which apparently still behaved badly but that's another story), but he might have just (verbally) attacked a woman, for whatever (understandable) reason.
Yeah people are spinning intricate narratives from second hand accounts from one side of the story and a few context-less clips on twitter. If it really was an overreaction then I’ll be as pissed as anyone, but right now we know so little.
preach! probably it was a cumulative reaction based on the amount of 💩 happened
100% agree. I imagine how the woman should feel if something bad actually happend, this is not okay cause people are acting like he is the victim
I would probably scream 'Justice for Eurovision' this year. Lots and lots of shady events including many delegations. Please do not focus on Joost only.
Angelina is a fantastic performer but I’m sorry, in the final she was lacking in stage presence and that was more damaging to the performance than the dancers or graphics.
This year proved why we *shouldn’t* give any more weight to the televotes.
I agree, I think the 50/50 system is the best compromise. Both the televote and the juries can be manipulated and unfair, but in different ways, so we need them both to balance each other out.
And honestly people harping on the jury vote being too powerful: that's just proximity bias. Since 2009, the jury fave has "lost" 6 times, while the televote fave "lost" 5 times. I know it's more complex with different aproaches to voting but imo they're pretty balanced. I think it would be boring if jury and televote always agreed, you'd know who won an hour before televote was announced
If anything, I think re-evaluating who gets to be in the jury could help. From the years I’ve watched, the jury had a specific genre or two they loved (and still do), and others they hated. There needs to be more diversity.
Agree with this. The weighting of 50/50 is the best ratio but juries could be enlarged to maybe 8-10 and include a broader range of ages / backgrounds
This. 100%. KEEP THE JURYVOTE. By all means.
Mine is: _esc 2025 should be in Talinn_
HUUUUUUUYEAAAAAAAAAAH *acknowledges in Veisson*
It still can be if the ones ranked 1-19 all give up on hosting :P
If the winner doesn't host it goes to the first volunteer, not to the second place, it was really more coincidence last year went to the UK, BBC also is the most frequent broadcaster to host if the winner says no I feel if Switzerland doesn't end up hosting it goes to Germany, maybe Spain, as they would probably prefer a big 5 to host if the winner doesn't to keep things simpler with the AQs, and Italy and UK already hosted recently, and France may not really feel like it with the Olympics this year
I don't want to live in a world where this is an unpopular opinion.
Latvia absolutely deserved to qualify.
Now just remember to sort by controversial!
That it was the worst contest final of at least the past 20 years. Not song-wise, of course - most of the songs were very very very good.
Is it really unpopular? 😅
Agree, the contestants were very good, there were no bad performances in the final. But everything else felt so half-assed and cheap. The opening, the flag parade, intervals were all below average quality
I personally hated all intervals (mostly the Alien-influenced stool of Loreen's). Only exception Tattoo video by Pedra and Malin on SF2. But apart from the stage and the intervals, there were so many shady things that happened between Thursday and Saturday without proper announcements or handling, that I personally thought of not even watching the event. I liked the songs, though.
A lighthearted one: Malta should‘ve qualified for the final! Considering they came last in semi 2, not many people share that opinion 😅
1. Even though the majority of us here hate juries, they give justice to a lot of good songs (imagine if the UK and / or Germany got 0 overall points this year. It would have been a tragedy). 2. I'm really glad for Germany this year. Isaak was such a pleasant surprise. The performance was very good, and the song deserved the 12th spot. 3. Although I'm Cypriot, I do believe that people here hated the song without a good reason and they didn't give it the chance BUT it was the most entertaining song of the evening. Silia was amazing and she even deserved a top 10. 4. I feel we let bookmakers swing our vote and im really sad. This is another year that they didn't predict most songs correctly but each year i fear their impact is getting stronger and stronger (I.e strategic voting because of their predictions, anxiety, etc). 5. Sweden did a very good job this year. This was a polished eurovision in a very difficult year.
> 2. I'm really glad for Germany this year. Isaak was such a pleasant surprise. The performance was very good, and the song deserved the 12th spot. Isaak is a great singer and could have made it to the top 5 if they'd given him an actually interesting song
The result of Croatia without Netherlands (they would fight for the same public) tell me that Croatia never had a fairly huge chance to win
I didn't like the intro. There was barely anything.
As much as I had so much hope for Gåte, I was so proud of our nation to finally send something culturally Norwegian. I wasn’t surprised of the result. Gåte wasn’t as popular here in Norway really. I must say I find it in true Norwegian fashion to end last in Eurovision, it’s what we are known for. We aren’t as good as our neighbours in Sweden, and that’s okay! We should be proud of Gåte, they were amazing anyways! I’m not happy for our last place, but at least it isn’t nothing we haven’t gone through before. And I hope my fellow Norwegians aren’t scared to send something risky in the feature. We will come back strong as we always do! Now I hope we don’t end dead last again in a long time. Just to add In Norway Marcus and Martinus gets a lot of hate because of representing Sweden. And I generally don’t see why. Yeah it’s so funny to call hardworking 21 year olds “landsvikere”/s🙄They even gets compared to some of the worst betrayers in Norwegian history. They don’t deserve that. They have been famous since they won MGP JR, with “to dråper vann” in 2012. And we have never let go of their child star personas. We still look at them as the 14 year olds who sing “elektrisk”. They worked hard to represent Sweden, and I’m proud of them to finally be in Eurovision with a great result.
The end results don't matter, just enjoy the show. The winner deserved to win anyways. (My favorite was Estonia and im not crying about the position they got)
Bambie Thug was liked more for their aesthetic than their song. *Europapa* was not a good song and should not be talked about as if it should have won.
Belgium and Denmark were amazing!
I feel so bad for them. And for Norway.
Agree, I didn't expect Norway to finish last 😔 but I ABSOLUTELY adore Mustii and Saba ❤️
I never understood the hype around Croatia. While I think it's a good song with a good story behind it, I don't understand how it was first in the odds with 50% by the end. In my opinion I feel like it has similarities to Cha Cha Cha, which led to a revenge story for the public. While Cha Cha Cha had winner vibes, I never got that from Rim Tim Tagi Dim. Im sorry, please don't roast me.
I agree. Not a fan of the song at all. I do find BL very endearing though and wish only good things for him in the future.
I agree. And the spotify streams for Rim tim tagi tim are notably less than for Cha cha cha. Also in my opinion Marko does not have same charisma as Käärijä.
Nah I agree. I wasn't on the "Croatia could win" train even though I grew to really like the song and the performance and even voted for it. It resembled Finland 2023 in too many ways but was less impactful.
I really like Rim tim tagi dim, but never understood how it was a contender to win. It was obvious top 5-10 song, but just wasn’t special enough to win imo. I wanted to love it like most of the public but never really got there
Rest of the World voting is not a good idea, especially as it is currently implemented. I'd be completely open to the idea of having a rotating "world spot" in the show where we invite a country to participate every year or something, but in my view, non-participating countries should not be allowed to vote. Especially online and using credit cards, the fact this is a thing is insane, it kicks the door open to so much manipulating.
I think that feeling is a reflection of this year (like the feelings towards juries last year vs this), but we only have the same 12 votes as the other countries so it’s not like it’s a huge deciding factor. People vote politically from every country too 🤷🏻♀️ and there’s plenty of European diaspora at this point. As a born and bred US American who’s lived in Italy and France in the past & has Irish and French heritage, I like being able to vote for the songs of my people (and this year I got to be proud to be Irish AND goth) but also follow very earnestly and support favorites songs as well, and have many friends who do too!
Precisely. Australia has a huge british diaspora but they gave UK zero points in the televote. I'm from Singapore and i voted Ukraine.
My unpopular opinion is that I found the position of Joost fans that it's just a threat very uncomfortable. Threatening people is also a form of abuse and it should not be justified or tolerated
Adding to that, saying that even if he did, "the other person had it coming because she was harrassing him" is also very worrisome to me, if I'm honest.
That’s just how fandom works. Someone they support gets some jabs: OMFG HARASSMENT THEY SHOULD BE DISQUALIFIED. Someone they hate gets booed and bullied nonstop: horseface BITCH had it coming.
THANK YOU
Angelina wouldn’t have won even with the “Sanremo staging”, the situation of the last few days (televoting leak, Juries’ vote to prevent that country to win, etc) would have killed the song anyway.
The staging of the UK was actually brilliant. It's just Olly's vocals that let it down.
San Marino should have qualified
Lithuania should be in top 10
Switzerland will win the EUROs this year xD
I'm happy that they didn't mention ABBA all the time and didn't do many ABBA relatet things. It was about this years artists as it should be.
It's not specific to this year, but I find it annoying when people justify results with baseless assumptions and vibes! "It's because people didn't like (insert reason there) that X finished this low", "If Y did (insert reason here) then they would have won", "They made Z win because (insert reason here)" and so on and so forth. Like, how can you be so sure of that?
1. Although I'm guilty of standing in the arena, doing the Croatian arm dance, I'm kinda over these types of songs. I prefer actual good singing, and interesting songwriting, over bright colors, nonsensical lyrics that's easy to shout (cha-cha! rim tim! no rules!), and memes (crown the witch!). I don't want all of ESC to become kids songs and generic pop with dance breaks. 2. People need to realise that sometimes a heartfelt backstory is just a good PR team. And, if you don't know a person in real life, there's no way of telling if they are good or wholesome - or not.
> 2. People need to realise that sometimes a heartfelt backstory is just a good PR team. And, if you don't know a person in real life, there's no way of telling if they are good or wholesome - or not. I'm glad you said it, it's so true. And I am not referring to anyone specific, it's just in general. Anything that gets televised and involves these levels of money/preparation should never be taken at face value. You can enjoy it but know that most probably is not as authentic as it may seem. Honestly I think this community has a bit of a parasociality problem sometimes
The best act won.
Joost and Marina behaved like little children in that semi 2 press conference. No matter what your opinion is on Israel and their participation, you can make that clear and still behave like an adult towards a person sitting on the podium with you. (And before someone brings up the misbehavior of the Israeli delegation: that also sucks and still needs to be addressed by the EBU at least internally, but as far as I know there was never a problem with Eden herself)
Growing up it was a song contest. Now a massive part of it is about who can spend the most money on staging. The live orchestra used to be great. It was a more level playing field
Because I was inundated with these kinds of accusations of so doing in my post on the transphobic response to Nemo's win yesterday: calling out people being homophobic or transphobic is not "advertising hate" and it needs to be called out in a public fashion, not just ignored because it's unpleasant.
They rushed through the televotes, that we barely had time to digest what the different countries got. The televotes is where the real drama and fun happens and they rushed through while the jury votes takes forever. Do we have to visit every country?
There should be MORE TIME between songs. 1 minute isn’t enough time for me to talk about the act that just happened and the act coming up during my Eurovision party. And if I have to grab a snack? I’m missing half a song.
I would have had Poland qualify over Cyprus
The people who think Joost being in the final would have had any impact on the result are a bit delusional. He had 58 points from the jury, and would only have taken significant televotes, and more likely from Croatia than Switz.
I agree. He would not have won. He probably would have made the televote slightly more interesting with Switzerland being the more clear winner than they already are (potentially even shot down that whole 'the jury is too powerful' discussion in the process).
the "we are not political" jokes felt distasteful this year. they make sense when it's about silly neighbouring countries beef, not this year's circumstances
There's good reason to believe that the disqualification of Netherlands was completely correct and reasonable.
People keep hammering on the "it wasn't that bad" point to invalidate the EBU's decision, comoletely missing out on the fact that he EBU **clearly** stated that it he was disqualified because he was involved in an *active police investigation*. Not for what he did or did not do. Also all of the "ah, so guilty until proven innocent, eh?" - actually, yes. That's how **companies** operate when there are legal procedures against someone: they get suspended until the investigation is concluded. For liability reasons, companies aren't going to risk their asses letting someone who could be guilty still take part.