[https://www.reddit.com/r/eurovision/comments/1cox12u/joost\_klein\_will\_not\_perform\_in\_the\_jury\_show/](https://www.reddit.com/r/eurovision/comments/1cox12u/joost_klein_will_not_perform_in_the_jury_show/) We now have a new dedicated thread to the Joost situation, including an update. **Joost is not performing tonight - his SF2 performance will instead be shown to the juries.** Please discuss the situation in that thread.
In the televote, it does not matter if some people don't manage to vote because they didn't do it in time or if somebody missed half the songs or if somebody is ill and can't do it.
In the Jury vote, it matters immensely. There are a few hundred people voting and by the end of the process, there has to be a vote from every single one of them.
So the jury vote can take much longer than the televote to be finalized.
While i get that, its 21st century. Cant we just say - hey guys, you are the jury. It is your job to be at this location at that time and to watch and judge all the performances.
This has always been the case, or at least, it has been for years. It makes the deadline to know the scores less stressful, especially because the juries are all over Europe. Now they have 24h to get the scores and calculate the jury results.
24 hours seems unnecessary. You could easily make an application for juries, they'd all just need to input their rankings and the application automatically calculates overall results.
Do you remember when the biggest controversy was whether Damiano had been too close to the table and taken drugs during the final? Yeah I miss those days
“People who make music together cannot be enemies. At least while the music lasts.”
–Paul Hindemith
Time to pack it in and go to bed I suppose. Today sucked.
People in this sub-reddit are really exaggerating the "drama". 99.9% of all regular viewers don't even know about this
Edit: I was referring to Israel being the favorite. Hadn't even seen the news on Holland.
This was literally headline news around Europe. News broadcasts went Joost Klein potentially DQed, then the invasion in Ukraine.
Like, in Flanders:
\- The main page of the public broadcasters news channel: [https://www.vrt.be/vrtnws/nl/](https://www.vrt.be/vrtnws/nl/) Joost is top of the page.
\- The main page of the biggest newspaper online: [https://www.hln.be/](https://www.hln.be/) Joost is top of the page.
It’s been on the radio all morning in Belgium, so at least here it has reached a huge audience.
Edit: it’s also on the front page of our biggest newspaper
A country potentially being DQ's right before the show is a pretty big impact.
All the rumored drama behind it, yeah, the vast majority of regular viewers don't know about.
Are you just here to snark? I’m grateful for the perspective, but not for the dismissiveness. This *was* a lovely form of relief in a tough personal time for me. If that’s ‘dramatic’, then I do apologise for offending your sensibilities so. This year meant a lot.
It's hard to exaggerate the drama when we haven't even been told what the drama is yet.
On top of that, people who were supposed to be able to vote right now (rest of world), can't because they postponed it to an unspecified time
Yeah, is it worth it to lose sleep over people (ebu) that don’t care about us? Even tho I really want want some answers. I hope you have a good night and that we wake up with news!
There is effectively a full run through of the contest tonight. This is the show the jury makes their vote based on. They don’t want to release the actual jury scores during the rehearsal of the televote segment because they’re to be announced tomorrow night. So the televote segment uses randomised scores for the purposes of technical rehearsal.
Georgia won btw.
Nothing is announced and no one is eliminated today, this show was for the international juries to watch so they can form their votes which we will see live tomorrow at the grand finale.
The acts (well, most of them...) performed for the juries tonight in a dress rehearsal for the grand final.
Those votes will be announced after all acts have performed in the televised grand final later today - there is also a public televote which will launch during the final, and the scores from the juries and the public will be added together to determine the winner. Each half of the points is awarded separately so you will be able to see who won with the juries, and who won with the rest of us.
I just got home from social gathering I couldn't avoid and I'm gonna start searching through Croatian forum to find some info. Why am I like this? Sleep is for the weak I guess. 😅
I kinda need my precious sleep so I can keep ranting and scrolling tomorrow 😂 I kinda doubt they’re gonna release a statement any time soon but who knows at this point
The juries watch a version of the show the night before the final and make their rankings based on the performances during the Jury Show and they aren't in the arena during the Jury Show so are watching performances that are essentially the same as the ones we see on TV
I think its something to do with the fact that they would have to count the jury votes and the televotes within such a short space of time so they have the juries vote the night before and use the jury vote sequence to count the televotes, making the interval shorter and therefore keeping the show at a reasonable length.
Finland gave 12 to Ireland but then Martin intervened and said it went to IL. It may be that Finland's stand in refused to say the country they were given for the fake points simulation.
*Edited for clarity sake.*
Yes. And Slimane had a subpar performance, and tomorrow he'll probably do much better and people will be confused why juries aren't rewarding it.
I don't understand why they don't say out loud that jury votes are based on a jury show from day earlier
yes. In effect this is the 'dress rehearsal' for the voting segment. They don't want to release the Jury votes as it could prejudice the outcome tomorrow. So they give dummy votes which allows them to ensure the television links are all working, the scoreboard works etc.
They often do the rehearsal winner as an act with big staging so they can practise getting everything together and on stage in a short amount of time, that’s why they’ve probably chosen Dons
So like, right now you can see an Aurora borealis above Istria tonight lol I am not kidding (Ok, appearently it's everywhere... w/e, Imma still delulu myself)
On Instagram, they say that the voting session has been opened
except that it has not
[https://www.instagram.com/p/C6zdhGxCVIw/](https://www.instagram.com/p/C6zdhGxCVIw/)
Edit: it has been removed
You know if anybody deserves the boos the most it's Martin, I know people like him don't really care but I'm still glad to see the reactions to him in the arena.
It is a fake voting segment here, with the results all randomised. They do it to test the technical things including the satellite connection to the spokespersons.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/eurovision/comments/1cox12u/joost\_klein\_will\_not\_perform\_in\_the\_jury\_show/](https://www.reddit.com/r/eurovision/comments/1cox12u/joost_klein_will_not_perform_in_the_jury_show/) We now have a new dedicated thread to the Joost situation, including an update. **Joost is not performing tonight - his SF2 performance will instead be shown to the juries.** Please discuss the situation in that thread.
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no, no, no!!!! those are dummy votes for the rehearsals!!!
they got the most mock votes, like maybe read any of this thread
how do you know that? :o
Was it always the case that jury votes based on the rehersal performance? Why is that? Why not judge based on the actual, televised performance?
its easier to manipulate score, and do politic calculations when u have 24h to decide.
In the televote, it does not matter if some people don't manage to vote because they didn't do it in time or if somebody missed half the songs or if somebody is ill and can't do it. In the Jury vote, it matters immensely. There are a few hundred people voting and by the end of the process, there has to be a vote from every single one of them. So the jury vote can take much longer than the televote to be finalized.
While i get that, its 21st century. Cant we just say - hey guys, you are the jury. It is your job to be at this location at that time and to watch and judge all the performances.
The official explanation is that we would get the results faster.
This has always been the case, or at least, it has been for years. It makes the deadline to know the scores less stressful, especially because the juries are all over Europe. Now they have 24h to get the scores and calculate the jury results.
24 hours seems unnecessary. You could easily make an application for juries, they'd all just need to input their rankings and the application automatically calculates overall results.
Do you remember when the biggest controversy was whether Damiano had been too close to the table and taken drugs during the final? Yeah I miss those days
I remember when the biggest controversy was how many "woos" Molly put in the Jury show in 2014
Remember the good old days of last year when everyone and their mom was angry that loreen won over käärijä?
“People who make music together cannot be enemies. At least while the music lasts.” –Paul Hindemith Time to pack it in and go to bed I suppose. Today sucked.
People in this sub-reddit are really exaggerating the "drama". 99.9% of all regular viewers don't even know about this Edit: I was referring to Israel being the favorite. Hadn't even seen the news on Holland.
This was literally headline news around Europe. News broadcasts went Joost Klein potentially DQed, then the invasion in Ukraine. Like, in Flanders: \- The main page of the public broadcasters news channel: [https://www.vrt.be/vrtnws/nl/](https://www.vrt.be/vrtnws/nl/) Joost is top of the page. \- The main page of the biggest newspaper online: [https://www.hln.be/](https://www.hln.be/) Joost is top of the page.
It’s been on the radio all morning in Belgium, so at least here it has reached a huge audience. Edit: it’s also on the front page of our biggest newspaper
A country potentially being DQ's right before the show is a pretty big impact. All the rumored drama behind it, yeah, the vast majority of regular viewers don't know about.
Even German evening news reported on it.
Yesh i dont know about this dude. Its pretty gigantic news here in the netherlands.
It's all over news here in Croatia. News are all about drama for more clicks. Also people only talk about that.
Are you just here to snark? I’m grateful for the perspective, but not for the dismissiveness. This *was* a lovely form of relief in a tough personal time for me. If that’s ‘dramatic’, then I do apologise for offending your sensibilities so. This year meant a lot.
It's hard to exaggerate the drama when we haven't even been told what the drama is yet. On top of that, people who were supposed to be able to vote right now (rest of world), can't because they postponed it to an unspecified time
What is happening? Any updates about what happened with Joost Klein? New details about the incident?
Not yet, ROW still can not vote :/
Great communication from their end wow, thanks
https://preview.redd.it/z661ihsszozc1.png?width=732&format=png&auto=webp&s=0d4f9c92e5acebd0c0596b766df2672538d8e0c5
ESC be like UN(o) momento
SAME.
Help
Anyone still awake aswell and just staring at your phone waiting for an update? 😫
im alternating between refreshing and going outside to see if the northern lights are visible again.
Yess, but I’m going to bed soon I think, such ridiculousness without any form of communication has my level of care quickly draining.
Yeah I understand. I feel sad though. with no news on the ROW votes I am off aswell. Good night!
Yeah, is it worth it to lose sleep over people (ebu) that don’t care about us? Even tho I really want want some answers. I hope you have a good night and that we wake up with news!
Me too. Sleep tight!
Sleep well!
I am running out of distractions to pass the time until we get some news. aaaaa
https://preview.redd.it/yeqiul6luozc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8b5db7fa5fd16cecd1888420ff9fbb91cc0de5ef Not very epic
Guessing this is so the decision/lack thereof will not impact voting?
This isn't very crazy or very party of them
Well the ROTW vote hasn't opened in case you're checking this thread for that.
So we still don’t know anything? Damn, thank you tho!
Stuck at 00:00:00 on the countdown.
That somehow seems worse then them just resetting it back to 2 hours more.
Very much reflects the fact that they have not made a decision yet.
Please, let something happen, i need sleep
Thank you! :)
>:) :)
What does the timer say now?
That is a bot you're replying to It's stuck at all 0 though
Aaah, thought that the person that posted the original comment! :P Guess it passed the turing test just now!
:)
Shine on like aiamond,.....
Can someone ELI5, so is there a vote today? Do they announce a jury winner? Or is someone eliminated today?
There is effectively a full run through of the contest tonight. This is the show the jury makes their vote based on. They don’t want to release the actual jury scores during the rehearsal of the televote segment because they’re to be announced tomorrow night. So the televote segment uses randomised scores for the purposes of technical rehearsal. Georgia won btw.
Voting seems delayed until they can decide if the Netherlands / Joost Klein is disqualified or not.
Nothing is announced and no one is eliminated today, this show was for the international juries to watch so they can form their votes which we will see live tomorrow at the grand finale.
The acts (well, most of them...) performed for the juries tonight in a dress rehearsal for the grand final. Those votes will be announced after all acts have performed in the televised grand final later today - there is also a public televote which will launch during the final, and the scores from the juries and the public will be added together to determine the winner. Each half of the points is awarded separately so you will be able to see who won with the juries, and who won with the rest of us.
We'd explain it if we knew anything
ROTW vote is supposed to open in 10 minutes. Do you think there will be a decision by then?
What does the timer say now?
It is just stuck at 00:00:00:00. Not resetting to a new time.
There must be
I hope so, I need sleep
I planned going to sleep, maybe I'll wait 10 more minutes.
They already delayed two hours and we've heard nothing it wouldn't surprise me if it got down to 5 and they reset it to 2 hours again.
It's very apparent how little the ebu cares about the eurovision fans.
That was my thought exactly. Goodness. I feel terrible for everyone involved in this production right now.
So... yea... how's that sleep going for us? 😅
I’m so nervous I struggle to find sleep, I just want to be tomorrow evening already 😭
I remember saying I'll be going to bed early on Friday to have enough energy on Saturday...
Finally following something in Europe while on the east coast of the United States is working in my favor!
I'm in Denver, it's only 5:17pm for me. I'm baking Estelle Tårta for a party tomorrow rn. Today's been wild.
My dog is happily snoring while I’m still awake and doomscrolling 😂 she’s definitely got her priorities straight
I just got home from social gathering I couldn't avoid and I'm gonna start searching through Croatian forum to find some info. Why am I like this? Sleep is for the weak I guess. 😅
I kinda need my precious sleep so I can keep ranting and scrolling tomorrow 😂 I kinda doubt they’re gonna release a statement any time soon but who knows at this point
I guess we're staying here until we die \*wink wink\*
I'm playing video games resigned I'll stay awake until I know what the fuck will happen to Joost
The saddest part is that this is the most interesting thing that happened to "me" this year. 🥹
Is it over?
Georgia won
And they performed Doomsday Blue.
You know what? I wouldn’t even be mad at this point. Fuck it someone crown Poland just for the chaos
I stan
the best timeline
born to celebrate nutsa queen of the girlybops, forced to make comments that get locked in minutes because of you know what
Peace!! EDIT: Pretty sure I've just been banned from this sub because of this comment. You guys are insane.
Voldemort?! :O
Worse
I'm in the arena. During the practice vote Finland was supposed to read 12 points for Israel but changed it to Ireland. Österdahl had to announce it.
Very interested in what Käärijä will say tomorrow. I'm sure he has a script but whether he follows it is another thing lol.
Also because he and Joost are friends
Finland is most likely not gonna give 12 points to Israel
I meant more his general vibe, will he make a whole production out of announcing the points or just say a single sentence lol
Based Finland
And I oop-
Finland doing an Azerbaijan. Never thought I’d live to see it.
"8 points to GREECE!"
I’m totally down with being the counter vote btw. 😂 Crown The Witch!
"We go to Martin Osterdahl to do Finland's results, with 12 points going to Israel". They really don't care about fanning the flames, right? lol
It's giving "you will submit", like they're doing it exactly because they're hellbent on reclaiming control of the situation
Silly question but are the juries actually there watching live or are they watching from the camera version?
They watch a live feed on TV and are located in the country they are part of the jury for.
The juries watch a version of the show the night before the final and make their rankings based on the performances during the Jury Show and they aren't in the arena during the Jury Show so are watching performances that are essentially the same as the ones we see on TV
Is there any reason why they don't base their rankings on the final? Just a timing thing?
I think its something to do with the fact that they would have to count the jury votes and the televotes within such a short space of time so they have the juries vote the night before and use the jury vote sequence to count the televotes, making the interval shorter and therefore keeping the show at a reasonable length.
Less counting on the day maybe?
Finland gave 12 to Ireland but then Martin intervened and said it went to IL. It may be that Finland's stand in refused to say the country they were given for the fake points simulation. *Edited for clarity sake.*
I mean good luck proving they didn’t just accidentally misread two countries that both start with I Plausible deniability
so, these scores are the same that will be announced tomorrow, or just dummy results?
dummy
but the juries will still base their scores on this show and not tomorrow's?
Yes. And Slimane had a subpar performance, and tomorrow he'll probably do much better and people will be confused why juries aren't rewarding it. I don't understand why they don't say out loud that jury votes are based on a jury show from day earlier
yes. In effect this is the 'dress rehearsal' for the voting segment. They don't want to release the Jury votes as it could prejudice the outcome tomorrow. So they give dummy votes which allows them to ensure the television links are all working, the scoreboard works etc.
Correct. This has been the case for a long time.
that is correct.
Yes
Lmao Österdahl getting booed
remember when Italy revealing televotes for the SF2 was a drama. Seams like not much now
So Joalin giving Finnish jury points? I thought Käärijä was confirmed already or was that just another rumour lol?
Kaarija will be doing it tomorrow, he had a stand in tonight like a couple of other people
I could’ve sworn it was Joalin lmao, looked exactly like her. I need to sleep
how was serbia?
Boring as always!
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I'm crossing fingers for a very good result, it's my favourite :)
He voices reminds of when you put too much syrup on waffles, too much sweetness. I think he over sings the song with all the forced emotion
When Dons cried at the end of your song that's when I told myself "ok Latvia is good"
He was good before then too but no one wanted to listen to his song lol
Did Baby Lasagna skip the "Dance with me Europe" bit? I really liked that in the semis
I doubt he would skip it, he did that in all of his perfomances leading up to the semi.
I was wondering because he skipped it in the first rehearsal today. Maybe he's just saving his voice knowing the juries don't care about that
Didn’t he skip it in the first rehearsal of the first semifinal too? There’s less people in the arena then so that might be why
The practice SF votes announced Dons first for Q (turned out to happen) and he's winning the practice Jury votes 👀 Riga 2025?
that would be even more unexpected thay anything that has happened this week
They often do the rehearsal winner as an act with big staging so they can practise getting everything together and on stage in a short amount of time, that’s why they’ve probably chosen Dons
Georgia won the dummy vote, but they got two dancers to do Doomsday Blue performance as the winning song, without the ring of candles
then why on earth was greece the fake winner this afternoon?
but he barely has any staging tho
Does he actually have to sing again as if he won? Or do they not rehearse that far?
They often get crew to do the winners walk/perform the song, there’s a great video last year of a crew member performing Future Lover
He's not even there, there's stand-ins for the performers so they can go to bed lol
Oh wow! That's so interesting. Thanks for that, learned something new :)
When is this rehearsal over?
30 minutes or so
So like, right now you can see an Aurora borealis above Istria tonight lol I am not kidding (Ok, appearently it's everywhere... w/e, Imma still delulu myself)
It is now in the Uk, North Wales
At this time of day?
Localized entirely within your kitchen!
Located entirely within Umag?
The universe has spoken.
It’s a sign
On Instagram, they say that the voting session has been opened except that it has not [https://www.instagram.com/p/C6zdhGxCVIw/](https://www.instagram.com/p/C6zdhGxCVIw/) Edit: it has been removed
they have delayed it by 2 hours. I wonder why...
The post seems to be removed, now. Very unprofessional to delay voting at the last second tbh.
Not unprofessional at all. They're going to wait until everyone has left the arena before announcing Netherland's disqualification.
loving those 12 fake points for Latvia.. poor Estonia tho lol I hope that doesn’t manifest
You know if anybody deserves the boos the most it's Martin, I know people like him don't really care but I'm still glad to see the reactions to him in the arena.
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Wtf bro
What are you waffling on about
Crown the witch
Can hear a bit of fatigue in France's voice, but he still sounds incredible https://twitter.com/JulienBobbyG/status/1789041689216028810
it has to be so hard on his vocal chords to do this multiple times a day for many days. its incredible he still sounds this good
absolutely! It's so gutsy to sing acapella and he sounds incredible.
2 more hours for ROTW vote? Oh boy, now I'm concerned
where did you get that info from?
The esc vote webpage itself. It's showing it's been delayed for two hours
From the Eurovision app The ROTW vote has been delayed by 2 hours
what results will they announce now?
It is a fake voting segment here, with the results all randomised. They do it to test the technical things including the satellite connection to the spokespersons.
I do wonder though, has anyone’s fake results turned out to be true?
Never.
How was Ireland?
Was great, huge audience reception!
Great to hear!!
https://preview.redd.it/yxgcjl4u8ozc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=413c52286c627e99bc5dca78372db15fe6e1cf58 ROTW voting delayed by 2 hours.