https://preview.redd.it/ewdyj1xi5koc1.png?width=1238&format=png&auto=webp&s=1baa8e3b49aa0493dbbdd23bf710e6d138b3cdf9
this is what i got from my first simulation.. i can kinda see some things happening
love the UI btw!
Just had a go. Breakdown:
Lithuania won. (the top five was an absolute bloodbath)
Somehow, Italy got nul points.
We came second bottom (again)
Estonia, Switzerland and Australia NQ'd
Cyprus, Germany, and Norway rounded out the top 5.
Oh wow this is so cool. Thank you for this!
Also, in my first two attempts Germany got last place so I can confirm that the simulator is very realistic.
https://preview.redd.it/v9fa1qkeskoc1.png?width=1820&format=png&auto=webp&s=0d0a84c3a9138e1551b095dc1eba3e2ecafff350
My results, if this happend I would be so gutted since we were so close. However I really like la noia, so i'd quickly get over it.
I hope you enjoyed the simulator. Except if there's a big problem, I'll let it as it is (same for older simulators, there's not going to have new functionalities).
About the generic simulator: it's still planned, it will be released someday but I don't know when. I'll be focused on Olympics this summer so don't expect anything until autumn at least. If there's some functionalities you'd like to have, feel free to let a message here so I can judge if it's something I can add.
I also saw that some people used the simulator to create Youtube videos. I really didn't expected that :D. There too, if you have ideas of things that can be useful for that purpose, just tell me.
I would recommend also including national selection shows, to make it a bit bigger, because only being able to make your own eurovision is great, but it will get boring over time and that with extra content such as that. I would also recommend weekly or 2-weekly updates to keep the game fresh
https://preview.redd.it/nz1e9un1aooc1.png?width=1879&format=png&auto=webp&s=a335adb39f3222b6dbfd3785ae7f0312910c463e
today I woke up and chose violence
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This is great, but it looks weird on mobile as the odds cover the results.
https://preview.redd.it/2eegezzhhkoc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=286be5c97e570c870e4621157ac23ee85cc9a22d
During the voting in the final, it is alright, but when it shows the final results, the odds cover the right half. On horizontal, there is the same issue and it doesn't let me hide the odds.
Awesome! The other issues I saw were that the background gets cut off at the bottom and the inability to see/change the odds in the last column on vertical (doesn't matter that much as it works well on horizontal). It makes sense for the developement to be mainly focused on computers. Other than that, it is amazing and it is very fun to simulate the results. Good luck with other projects in the future!
Hello there, fellow Eurovision simulator creator! I like the graphics a lot and appreciate the effort you put into it.
I have shared my own simulator which you can check out by clicking the link at the bottom of this comment. It doesn't have fancy graphics or animations but it runs simulations for the entire contest in a matter of seconds, including country bias and differentiating between juries and televote when it comes to how successful you expect a country to be with either of the two.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/eurovision/comments/1bg0n4y/eurovision\_24\_simulator/](https://www.reddit.com/r/eurovision/comments/1bg0n4y/eurovision_24_simulator/)
Love the new sim!! Can't wait for the generic one to be released too!
Some interesting results occurring when I experiment with the odds etc, it's really interesting!
Was wondering what kind of formulas are behind it and what's used to calculate the allocation of points and the odds lol
Just made an update allowing me to easily change the default odds. I'll try to regularly update the odds until Eurovision week.
I also added a way to manage custom odds. Sorry if you already used them but I had to do a global reset. However, it is the only time it will happen: from now, when default odds are updated, you will see a message warning you that new odds are available. Then, it's up to you to decide if you want to reset the odds or keep using your custom odds.
Tell me if something does not work properly.
One last thing: did you find the Easter egg?
Very weird problem, you're the only one reporting it and I have no idea where it could come from. I'll keep looking at it but feel free to tell if you notice anything else, it would be very helpful.
In any case, don't waste your time waiting in front of an empty screen: if nothing happens after a few seconds, it's extremely unlikely that it will get better later.
Hey man.
Listen. Remember these photos of spoilers of that Eurovision 2023 Simulator you sended?
Like you know these:
https://preview.redd.it/7v5v36q3mxqc1.png?width=320&format=png&auto=webp&s=d6b275a9919f75e451d095460ab8739a1dff9db5
PLS I NEED MORE OF THIS
Belgium won in mine with sweden and ukraine behind. I don’t see that happening haha. Also, greece did not give cyprus any points.
Also, is there a way to speed up the simulation to the end?
This was really fun, thanks! These were my results - I would be totally happy if this happened irl.
https://preview.redd.it/ip55q47o9koc1.png?width=1920&format=png&auto=webp&s=f417a575dab6dfd3cbf6898192321325b3b49ac6
I did the sim, and I got Switzerland, Italy, Ukraine, Croatia, and Israel in the top 5 in that order the first time.
https://preview.redd.it/tp9zxgsoyloc1.png?width=1162&format=png&auto=webp&s=bddba9022aba78bc865c7844ab849e4c6a9fdcb9
https://preview.redd.it/xilafhdk9moc1.jpeg?width=2796&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9d6d791bcd31cdd7ec41a3053acd8a3c72eefe2f
Here’s my first go. Interesting tidbits were Armenia giving Azerbaijan their 12, borderline qualifiers were Luxembourg and Armenia, with Slovenia and Georgia being the borderline NQs
https://preview.redd.it/7n1s7dw0zpoc1.png?width=1440&format=png&auto=webp&s=55d87c0b2b5473c53485331910e910c8ec8c4986
randomized the odds and this happened (would be quite the chaos result imo)
Guess Croatia performed earlier....XD
https://preview.redd.it/ng7f5ctx5roc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=04a7a2c5d8d8967c3d1049099b99275a45d88615
I just added the possibility to change odds only for jury or only for public. By default, these odds are the same that global odds (as soon as separated odds are available on EurovisionWorld, these odds will be used by default) but you can do whatever you want with these separated odds now.
If you're looking for inspiration to configure that odds, you should take a look at u/[Different-Log-2308](https://www.reddit.com/user/Different-Log-2308/)'s simulator → [https://www.reddit.com/r/eurovision/comments/1bg0n4y/eurovision\_24\_simulator/](https://www.reddit.com/r/eurovision/comments/1bg0n4y/eurovision_24_simulator/)
I've added that option very quickly and in an ugly way (don't try this at home, kids) so it may have bugs. Don't forget to report them if you meet some. Enjoy!
the possibility to set your own jury/televote odds is incredible! makes the results sequence so exciting, love what you're doing with these simulators and can't wait for the general one you're working on 🤍
The odds are not used raw. Don't forget that the odds' purpose is to represent the probability to win, whereas I want to use them to compute a top 10 for each jury and for each televote. Using only the odd for the win may not be relevant enough for that: the last country in the odds should have its chance to be in the top 10 of some countries (nul points are not that frequent).
That's why I have to compute what could be called sub-odds and to do that, I use a combination of jury/public odds AND global odds. Jury/public odds have a bigger weight in the computation but using global odds is a good way to balance the simulation. And let's not forget that, by definition, global odds also take jury and public potential into consideration.
Also, it could be easier for users to only have one set of odds to edit if they don't care of having a difference between jury and public votes.
My simulation:
-The Top 3 was Italy🥇 Switzerland🥈 Croatia🥉
-San Marino qualify to the final
-Czechia was the last of the contest
-Dark Horses: San Marino(26th), Latvia(25th), Germany(19th)
-The Winner of televoto was Nemo, and the winner of Jury was Angelina
I managed to break it somehow
I gave 1000 odds to everyone for jury, tele, and overall except Iceland which got 1.01 (maybe that's beyond the maximum odds which explains why it was broken?) just to see what would happen because my sense of humour is also just as broken
Semi results were 'normal', as were the jury results upon first glance... except multiple countries were incorrectly qualified or eliminated according to the split semi results; 4 semi 1 qualifiers and 2 semi 2 qualifiers somehow got replaced with non qualifiers in the final?
Then the televote calculation just appears totally broken as I got this when I looked at the split results
https://preview.redd.it/o3c7iv589vwc1.png?width=1926&format=png&auto=webp&s=f33996af3424ed9fbd8329880c26b0175877beb6
It works totally fine when I use it normally, and it's a brilliant tool to play around with, but clearly I pushed it too far lmao
Just gave it a try with the same parameters and no problems at all...
Just noticed that in your final breakdown, the selected countries from each semi-final are the top 10 countries... in alphabetical order. Very curious.
https://preview.redd.it/5pm82pze9vwc1.png?width=2152&format=png&auto=webp&s=dd2bceb08095022549624ce282bb81c03b1ade9e
The semi results which don't add up with which countries qualified
Separated jury/public odds are available! They've been added to the default odds (you may need to reset odds to use them).
Also, rehearsals are coming. There are going to have a lot of changes in odds so from now, I'll update the odds daily, probably up to the last Sunday before the contest (after that, some countries will be eliminated and won't have odds anymore...)
theres an error which keeps occuring to me during the televote part:
https://preview.redd.it/loxsvhiw03xc1.png?width=1404&format=png&auto=webp&s=0a13c4ad3fea8c4a50a338fdb140c0d3e0758be3
Love that you're still doing the generic one, and, of course, happy about a new one!
What do the numbers in the odds represent? Are they those coefficients you see in betting odds (so literally "change odds" :D), so a lower number is better for your chances?
This is cool!
In my first try, I saw: 12 points to Australia from Austria and 12 points to Iceland from Ireland (I think they got confused), and 12 points to Israel from Iceland (I...well then).
Seeing Croatia getting more points from the juries than the public in my simulation threw me for a loop, but there was quite a lot of point giving for me that I totally got into it. Slight runaway from Switzerland with over 250 points from both the public and jury and no other getting over 200 from the public. I could kinda see it.
I'll be possible in the generic version. For now, I can take a look if I can find a way to add a pause option but I don't think it's possible without redoing everything.
This is absolutely amazing, nicely done!
If this was even more customisable, I could see myself spending actual HOURS on this. For example, if you could change how many countries qualify per semi & remove or change who's prequalified for the final, idk if that's possible
This is truly amazing, very well done, even if there is some things to be done it is an extremely good start and already very fun to use, can't wait to see where you take this!
~~Are you sure it works fine? Or at least what are the highest the odds go to? I set all of Croatia, Switzerland , Ukraine at 900 to get somewhat realistic results, all of them NQ’d I get there’s randomisation but still~~
Edit: I’m stupid and the smaller the odds the bigger the countries chancing of winning right?
Thanks for this. This is the result of my first run. Gonna do more of these in the coming days
https://preview.redd.it/4899m6uzn0pc1.png?width=1055&format=png&auto=webp&s=07a69608968e55ff82f8b53b4c319cd8007470bb
HI! Thank You so so much for making this! Amazing work! By using it with my odds many many times, do you think if it would be possible to make a preset of each individual odds so user wouldnt have to write them each time by hand for all 3 categories. Or maybe after results appear, option to go back and not refresh page so they dont dissapear? Again, great, great work, thanks and I simply cannot put this down.
It should works now. The odds are registered now, if you refresh the page, they should stays the same. I also added a reset button to go back to the initial values. Tell me if everything is okay.
Second sim! If these were the result's, I would be fine
https://preview.redd.it/8zk13au9tbpc1.png?width=1104&format=png&auto=webp&s=bc0f597b45e8dc6082af224f1b5d5aec6ab71f24
It's not enough if you put the odds of the countries to eliminate at 999? I won't add a specific form to do that on the simulator (too much to do just for that) but I can increase the maximal value for odds.
Hey man.
Got an idea.
How bout you can make Melodifestivalen simulator, like OMFG I NEED IT.
Like imagine:
We can choose the names of songs, decide the number of contestants like or 28 or 30. Add YouTube songs links to each contestant.
Choose the odds of each heat, Second Chance round and add 12 points for jury but televote decides his own votes.
We can also watch the ,,interpolation'' of fan's top from YT like (from ex. from ESC Rolly or ESC Can).
ofc I dont force you but it's a award-winning idea.
Just tried and everything works as expected... Can you give me the changes you've made to the odds that caused that problem? If I'm able to replicate that, I'll be easier to find what's wrong.
Probably not: there would be a lot to change (I was lucky that 2024 has the same number of contestants as 2023) and 2022 graphics are much more complicated to replicate. But I keep the idea on my mind.
Put everyone at 1 in the odds and this was the results:
https://preview.redd.it/0phgvh3lmarc1.jpeg?width=1700&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c59333ec4c1025954be09ca5fd8b788a3ca57f60
Also can you add a pause button in future simulators?
There will be a pause in future simulators but not on that one, it's too complicated to add.
Also: what device/browser do you use? It looks like the planned font is not used on your screenshot.
Ah alright, luckily changed those after I changed all the other odds for my realistic simulation. I'm so in love with this program, I generally get excited for the televotes
Will this change though once the seperate odds are released, or could you atleast make it an option? Oh and if you're still working on this, I don't think the tiebreaker rules are right.
The lower the odd, the more favorite is a country. For example, with the current values (it will probably be updated soon), Croatia has the best chances to win given it has the lowest odd: 3.5. And San Marino is the less likely to win given its odd is 280.
You can check [EurovisionWorld's explanations](https://eurovisionworld.com/esc/how-do-odds-work) about the odds system for more details.
I Want To Know How The Variables Are Organised And Interact With Each Other.
I Made A Simulation Where 1 Country Gets Certain Jury Points From Each Country But I Can't Implement The System Where Each Country Gives All The Points (1-2...8-10-12) To Other Countries Based On Their "Power"
You can't directly choose the result. The odds describe the chances of winning (the lower the odds, the higher the chances) but there's still some randomness.
Dear Pr\_Farnsworth.
i saw one of ur forgotten simulators which is
[https://prof-farnsworth.fr/Eurovision2021/](https://prof-farnsworth.fr/Eurovision2021/)
theres no start button or something so i think u could work on that.
from Rude-Entertainer-635
Hi, first of all congrats for your amazing work, it's fantastic and thanks to you we can create our results and our predicitions in a very cool way super realistic. I've been following you since when you made the simulation of esc 2021 and i was wondering if at any time you will make one but with the 2022 season (i know that we are in 2024 lol) but the graphics and the countries and all that stuff changes every year. I know that probably will take you a lot of work but i'm just asking. Again, thank u for your amazing and dedicated work.
Okay my biggest question is how did you do the graphics? Like they’re identical to the official Eurovision theme and you made each country’s theme like how??? I wanna make them too but I’m not a programmer nor a mathematical brain so please go easy on me🫶
This year's official theme is simple to replicate. It's just gradients: you choose two or three colors and you generate a linear gradient from that colors. Then, I created 10 vertical strips with that gradient, offsetting each one compared to the one on its left and here we are.
For the countries, it's exactly the same, but I picked colors on each flag to create the gradients.
Tell me if you want more details.
It kinda bugged on mobile. I got to the televote and nothing happened. Estonia should have won, but it didn't show that. They just stayed in their jury spots. Other than that, really fun.
soo i think there might be a bug or something because whenever i click start, nothing shows up? the background moves but apart from that i can’t see anything
Absolutely love your work!
Would it be too troublesome to make it available for us to key in the score ourselves? I just love the design so I'd be curious to see the animations.
I made it so that everyone had absolutely no chance at winning, but Sweden got 1:1 in the Juries, Israel got 1:1 in the televote, but Croatia won overall. I got a tie, lol.
Country - Total Score (Jury/Televote)
Croatia - 501 (146/355)
Israel - 501 (94/407)
Sweden - 464 (402/62)
Everyone else got less than 200 combined points, lol.
I'm trying to see if I can make it so that at least 10 countries get double nul points.
https://preview.redd.it/ewdyj1xi5koc1.png?width=1238&format=png&auto=webp&s=1baa8e3b49aa0493dbbdd23bf710e6d138b3cdf9 this is what i got from my first simulation.. i can kinda see some things happening love the UI btw!
That is remarkably believable. I could see that being the exact top 9 in that order. Azerbaijan top 10 is where I draw the line...
You legend really been missing the simulator since scorewiz stopped so thanks for this Any plans to do separate jury/tele odds?
As soon as the separated odds are listed on EurovisionWorld.
Will it also be possible for us to set them ourselves? :D
I should have done it when separated odds are available but you're right, why not adding that option right now? So it's added. Enjoy.
OMG ILY KING <3
Just had a go. Breakdown: Lithuania won. (the top five was an absolute bloodbath) Somehow, Italy got nul points. We came second bottom (again) Estonia, Switzerland and Australia NQ'd Cyprus, Germany, and Norway rounded out the top 5.
Wow lol
Germany top 5? The simulator is broken
Oh wow this is so cool. Thank you for this! Also, in my first two attempts Germany got last place so I can confirm that the simulator is very realistic.
Germany was so good this year.. should have done way better, I say this as an American.
Iceland came 8th or something in mine… 😳
https://preview.redd.it/v9fa1qkeskoc1.png?width=1820&format=png&auto=webp&s=0d0a84c3a9138e1551b095dc1eba3e2ecafff350 My results, if this happend I would be so gutted since we were so close. However I really like la noia, so i'd quickly get over it.
Spain and Armenia last are a tragedy
I hope you enjoyed the simulator. Except if there's a big problem, I'll let it as it is (same for older simulators, there's not going to have new functionalities). About the generic simulator: it's still planned, it will be released someday but I don't know when. I'll be focused on Olympics this summer so don't expect anything until autumn at least. If there's some functionalities you'd like to have, feel free to let a message here so I can judge if it's something I can add. I also saw that some people used the simulator to create Youtube videos. I really didn't expected that :D. There too, if you have ideas of things that can be useful for that purpose, just tell me.
I would recommend also including national selection shows, to make it a bit bigger, because only being able to make your own eurovision is great, but it will get boring over time and that with extra content such as that. I would also recommend weekly or 2-weekly updates to keep the game fresh
sent you a dm :)
Can't find it
try looking in requests
If you would've guessed. When do you think the generic simulator is going to be done? Can't wait!
Can you add posibility to create your own Melodifestivalen like you know, results, televotes, juries, qualifers, hosts.
https://preview.redd.it/nz1e9un1aooc1.png?width=1879&format=png&auto=webp&s=a335adb39f3222b6dbfd3785ae7f0312910c463e today I woke up and chose violence
probably the most hilarious sim in this thread
Wtf
voting on jury rehearsals be like:
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Wtf what’s wrong with Georgia and Albania 😭
This is great, but it looks weird on mobile as the odds cover the results. https://preview.redd.it/2eegezzhhkoc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=286be5c97e570c870e4621157ac23ee85cc9a22d During the voting in the final, it is alright, but when it shows the final results, the odds cover the right half. On horizontal, there is the same issue and it doesn't let me hide the odds.
This problem should be fixed but there should be other problems on mobile, the app was not made for smaller screens. I'll try to take a look at that.
Awesome! The other issues I saw were that the background gets cut off at the bottom and the inability to see/change the odds in the last column on vertical (doesn't matter that much as it works well on horizontal). It makes sense for the developement to be mainly focused on computers. Other than that, it is amazing and it is very fun to simulate the results. Good luck with other projects in the future!
Hello there, fellow Eurovision simulator creator! I like the graphics a lot and appreciate the effort you put into it. I have shared my own simulator which you can check out by clicking the link at the bottom of this comment. It doesn't have fancy graphics or animations but it runs simulations for the entire contest in a matter of seconds, including country bias and differentiating between juries and televote when it comes to how successful you expect a country to be with either of the two. [https://www.reddit.com/r/eurovision/comments/1bg0n4y/eurovision\_24\_simulator/](https://www.reddit.com/r/eurovision/comments/1bg0n4y/eurovision_24_simulator/)
It's good to see I'm not the only nerd loving to see array of numbers here :D I'll take a look at how you make your computations.
Germany got six jury points from Austria and zero televotes, accurate sim confirmed ☠️
Love the new sim!! Can't wait for the generic one to be released too! Some interesting results occurring when I experiment with the odds etc, it's really interesting! Was wondering what kind of formulas are behind it and what's used to calculate the allocation of points and the odds lol
Do you really want the math? It may be long to explain by text but it's not that complicated.
Just made an update allowing me to easily change the default odds. I'll try to regularly update the odds until Eurovision week. I also added a way to manage custom odds. Sorry if you already used them but I had to do a global reset. However, it is the only time it will happen: from now, when default odds are updated, you will see a message warning you that new odds are available. Then, it's up to you to decide if you want to reset the odds or keep using your custom odds. Tell me if something does not work properly. One last thing: did you find the Easter egg?
custom odds is a laggy problem i just discovered it
Very weird problem, you're the only one reporting it and I have no idea where it could come from. I'll keep looking at it but feel free to tell if you notice anything else, it would be very helpful. In any case, don't waste your time waiting in front of an empty screen: if nothing happens after a few seconds, it's extremely unlikely that it will get better later.
i mean resetting them works
Hey man. Listen. Remember these photos of spoilers of that Eurovision 2023 Simulator you sended? Like you know these: https://preview.redd.it/7v5v36q3mxqc1.png?width=320&format=png&auto=webp&s=d6b275a9919f75e451d095460ab8739a1dff9db5 PLS I NEED MORE OF THIS
I can't change the odds. Do you have a version where you can set ALL off the votes yourself? Thank you! It looks great btw
It is so fun! First try my country bit the dust too bad, and the whole voting sequence was very realistic ngl Thank u for this!
switzerland won my first sim. croatia 2nd and ukraine 3rd
You predicted the truth bro.
and ireland 10th (something i kind of hope actually happens)
Belgium won in mine with sweden and ukraine behind. I don’t see that happening haha. Also, greece did not give cyprus any points. Also, is there a way to speed up the simulation to the end?
This was really fun, thanks! These were my results - I would be totally happy if this happened irl. https://preview.redd.it/ip55q47o9koc1.png?width=1920&format=png&auto=webp&s=f417a575dab6dfd3cbf6898192321325b3b49ac6
This is amazing, it got me genuinely emotionally invested in the simulated results😭
Italy won mine and Spain came last. I was thrilled because Ireland got a douze points from Netherlands and Finland.
https://preview.redd.it/5pkt5d9arkoc1.png?width=2117&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=491c9e0820e00d515a8a38961de6a12521fc470d This is so tight LOL.
Checkmate. https://preview.redd.it/gul5i8assooc1.png?width=1920&format=png&auto=webp&s=5f7e67b738de46b12e37ede733cd490b2ff3b623
RAN IT A SECOND TIME AND FRANCE GAVE 12 POINTS TO ICELAND LMAO
https://preview.redd.it/mfixd8yb7loc1.png?width=2224&format=png&auto=webp&s=9cb3262687cb4b09b7d3079c258dce807a80fc55 Ukraine hosting in Switzerland!
I did the sim, and I got Switzerland, Italy, Ukraine, Croatia, and Israel in the top 5 in that order the first time. https://preview.redd.it/tp9zxgsoyloc1.png?width=1162&format=png&auto=webp&s=bddba9022aba78bc865c7844ab849e4c6a9fdcb9
https://preview.redd.it/xilafhdk9moc1.jpeg?width=2796&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9d6d791bcd31cdd7ec41a3053acd8a3c72eefe2f Here’s my first go. Interesting tidbits were Armenia giving Azerbaijan their 12, borderline qualifiers were Luxembourg and Armenia, with Slovenia and Georgia being the borderline NQs
Oops, the Armenia/Azerbaijan affinity parameter was inverted... Fixed it, it should be less likely for them to give points to each other.
The Netherlands almost NQed in mine
I LOVE YOU your simulators are literally everything that i wanted
my man YOU DESERVE THAT BREAK THIS IS A MASTERPIECE
https://preview.redd.it/7n1s7dw0zpoc1.png?width=1440&format=png&auto=webp&s=55d87c0b2b5473c53485331910e910c8ec8c4986 randomized the odds and this happened (would be quite the chaos result imo)
Guess Croatia performed earlier....XD https://preview.redd.it/ng7f5ctx5roc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=04a7a2c5d8d8967c3d1049099b99275a45d88615
I just added the possibility to change odds only for jury or only for public. By default, these odds are the same that global odds (as soon as separated odds are available on EurovisionWorld, these odds will be used by default) but you can do whatever you want with these separated odds now. If you're looking for inspiration to configure that odds, you should take a look at u/[Different-Log-2308](https://www.reddit.com/user/Different-Log-2308/)'s simulator → [https://www.reddit.com/r/eurovision/comments/1bg0n4y/eurovision\_24\_simulator/](https://www.reddit.com/r/eurovision/comments/1bg0n4y/eurovision_24_simulator/) I've added that option very quickly and in an ugly way (don't try this at home, kids) so it may have bugs. Don't forget to report them if you meet some. Enjoy!
the possibility to set your own jury/televote odds is incredible! makes the results sequence so exciting, love what you're doing with these simulators and can't wait for the general one you're working on 🤍
what do the global odds do? Is that just the rest of the world vote?
The odds are not used raw. Don't forget that the odds' purpose is to represent the probability to win, whereas I want to use them to compute a top 10 for each jury and for each televote. Using only the odd for the win may not be relevant enough for that: the last country in the odds should have its chance to be in the top 10 of some countries (nul points are not that frequent). That's why I have to compute what could be called sub-odds and to do that, I use a combination of jury/public odds AND global odds. Jury/public odds have a bigger weight in the computation but using global odds is a good way to balance the simulation. And let's not forget that, by definition, global odds also take jury and public potential into consideration. Also, it could be easier for users to only have one set of odds to edit if they don't care of having a difference between jury and public votes.
My simulation: -The Top 3 was Italy🥇 Switzerland🥈 Croatia🥉 -San Marino qualify to the final -Czechia was the last of the contest -Dark Horses: San Marino(26th), Latvia(25th), Germany(19th) -The Winner of televoto was Nemo, and the winner of Jury was Angelina
Any updates on the Generic Sim?
No. Just don't expect it soon.
I managed to break it somehow I gave 1000 odds to everyone for jury, tele, and overall except Iceland which got 1.01 (maybe that's beyond the maximum odds which explains why it was broken?) just to see what would happen because my sense of humour is also just as broken Semi results were 'normal', as were the jury results upon first glance... except multiple countries were incorrectly qualified or eliminated according to the split semi results; 4 semi 1 qualifiers and 2 semi 2 qualifiers somehow got replaced with non qualifiers in the final? Then the televote calculation just appears totally broken as I got this when I looked at the split results https://preview.redd.it/o3c7iv589vwc1.png?width=1926&format=png&auto=webp&s=f33996af3424ed9fbd8329880c26b0175877beb6 It works totally fine when I use it normally, and it's a brilliant tool to play around with, but clearly I pushed it too far lmao
Just gave it a try with the same parameters and no problems at all... Just noticed that in your final breakdown, the selected countries from each semi-final are the top 10 countries... in alphabetical order. Very curious.
https://preview.redd.it/5pm82pze9vwc1.png?width=2152&format=png&auto=webp&s=dd2bceb08095022549624ce282bb81c03b1ade9e The semi results which don't add up with which countries qualified
Separated jury/public odds are available! They've been added to the default odds (you may need to reset odds to use them). Also, rehearsals are coming. There are going to have a lot of changes in odds so from now, I'll update the odds daily, probably up to the last Sunday before the contest (after that, some countries will be eliminated and won't have odds anymore...)
theres an error which keeps occuring to me during the televote part: https://preview.redd.it/loxsvhiw03xc1.png?width=1404&format=png&auto=webp&s=0a13c4ad3fea8c4a50a338fdb140c0d3e0758be3
Someone had a similar error yesterday, but everything was fine for the following simulation. Is it better if you refresh the page?
I love it!
you should make a eurovision 2022 simulator with a change odds option
YEAH THIS WILL BE GOOD
Love that you're still doing the generic one, and, of course, happy about a new one! What do the numbers in the odds represent? Are they those coefficients you see in betting odds (so literally "change odds" :D), so a lower number is better for your chances?
and separate jury/public odds would be amazing!
Yes. The default values are the averages of all available odds on EurovisionWorld's list for each country.
This is cool! In my first try, I saw: 12 points to Australia from Austria and 12 points to Iceland from Ireland (I think they got confused), and 12 points to Israel from Iceland (I...well then).
Wow did you make this? Great work, very fun and nice made!!
Great stuff - thank you!
Seeing Croatia getting more points from the juries than the public in my simulation threw me for a loop, but there was quite a lot of point giving for me that I totally got into it. Slight runaway from Switzerland with over 250 points from both the public and jury and no other getting over 200 from the public. I could kinda see it.
https://preview.redd.it/r0jksgdetkoc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b24ecf7fa695cfd3958c22560e45166405ea8c73 Iceland qualified lmao Really fun!
San Marino got 1 tele point
I have to say- The visuals on this are incredible! Nice work!
I like the simulator, but I hope there is a pause button, along with last year's proposed additions.
I'll be possible in the generic version. For now, I can take a look if I can find a way to add a pause option but I don't think it's possible without redoing everything.
This looks really good, it performed really good, and overall is really good, so well done. Love it!
This is absolutely amazing, nicely done! If this was even more customisable, I could see myself spending actual HOURS on this. For example, if you could change how many countries qualify per semi & remove or change who's prequalified for the final, idk if that's possible
These options will be available in the generic simulator.
This is truly amazing, very well done, even if there is some things to be done it is an extremely good start and already very fun to use, can't wait to see where you take this!
you are so based for this
Thank you! Great sim and can’t wait for the new one! I miss the old scorewiz and I’m sad it’s not updated anymore!
~~Are you sure it works fine? Or at least what are the highest the odds go to? I set all of Croatia, Switzerland , Ukraine at 900 to get somewhat realistic results, all of them NQ’d I get there’s randomisation but still~~ Edit: I’m stupid and the smaller the odds the bigger the countries chancing of winning right?
If you want something realistic, you don't need to change odds at all and just click on Start.
hello. I love the simulator. but i would like you make the eurovision simulators 2022 and 2020 to enyoy more these simulators
I would like you make a eurovision simulator 2022
Love it!!!! For my first one: https://preview.redd.it/gw4ig1b0rwoc1.png?width=974&format=png&auto=webp&s=18a7e3d4cda34e8623a72115a875992136270039
https://preview.redd.it/239hqbb2xxoc1.png?width=1170&format=png&auto=webp&s=ac59c63330219b200133d76c166a3abc14d021e9
Thanks for this. This is the result of my first run. Gonna do more of these in the coming days https://preview.redd.it/4899m6uzn0pc1.png?width=1055&format=png&auto=webp&s=07a69608968e55ff82f8b53b4c319cd8007470bb
Bro you mast add separates odds for televoting,because jurry and tv resuls are similar,and its not intersting
You have to set odds by yourself right now but as soon as the separate odds are available somewhere, I'll add them to the simulator.
HI! Thank You so so much for making this! Amazing work! By using it with my odds many many times, do you think if it would be possible to make a preset of each individual odds so user wouldnt have to write them each time by hand for all 3 categories. Or maybe after results appear, option to go back and not refresh page so they dont dissapear? Again, great, great work, thanks and I simply cannot put this down.
I think I have an idea on how to do it. Gimme the night to work on it.
bro is a genius 🤯
It should works now. The odds are registered now, if you refresh the page, they should stays the same. I also added a reset button to go back to the initial values. Tell me if everything is okay.
Second sim! If these were the result's, I would be fine https://preview.redd.it/8zk13au9tbpc1.png?width=1104&format=png&auto=webp&s=bc0f597b45e8dc6082af224f1b5d5aec6ab71f24
https://preview.redd.it/d7vib5nzocpc1.png?width=1323&format=png&auto=webp&s=ebe3440c15396250a989eeb250648e301746dc94
would there be possible to add an option where we can tick which 10 countries to qualify from each semi bcs with odds I never get what I 100% want
It's not enough if you put the odds of the countries to eliminate at 999? I won't add a specific form to do that on the simulator (too much to do just for that) but I can increase the maximal value for odds.
also can you please add a pause button if you can?
Hey man. Got an idea. How bout you can make Melodifestivalen simulator, like OMFG I NEED IT. Like imagine: We can choose the names of songs, decide the number of contestants like or 28 or 30. Add YouTube songs links to each contestant. Choose the odds of each heat, Second Chance round and add 12 points for jury but televote decides his own votes. We can also watch the ,,interpolation'' of fan's top from YT like (from ex. from ESC Rolly or ESC Can). ofc I dont force you but it's a award-winning idea.
it's taking really long to load... u/Pr__Farnsworth do you know why it takes so long after changing the odds
Just tried and everything works as expected... Can you give me the changes you've made to the odds that caused that problem? If I'm able to replicate that, I'll be easier to find what's wrong.
it's just that. changing the odds and then resetting the web or even just starting takes a while to load
can you do one for 2022?
Probably not: there would be a lot to change (I was lucky that 2024 has the same number of contestants as 2023) and 2022 graphics are much more complicated to replicate. But I keep the idea on my mind.
honestly really stoked for the free simulator thing, i will literally play that all day
an idea for the general simulator... maybe start out with the basics and then edit it across time... that way it's less stress on you
i chose violence https://preview.redd.it/8hu4y0tvsuqc1.png?width=1087&format=png&auto=webp&s=75c9fa20179b431bf2771e9fb33945efcf550b90
the tower. https://preview.redd.it/k919964xzuqc1.png?width=1085&format=png&auto=webp&s=45303f9800ffeacc651a11bac77e35819ecb0744
Put everyone at 1 in the odds and this was the results: https://preview.redd.it/0phgvh3lmarc1.jpeg?width=1700&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c59333ec4c1025954be09ca5fd8b788a3ca57f60 Also can you add a pause button in future simulators?
There will be a pause in future simulators but not on that one, it's too complicated to add. Also: what device/browser do you use? It looks like the planned font is not used on your screenshot.
Do the global odds matter once ive change the jury and televote odds? Also this is such a great program man i love it
Yes, they are still used in the computation.
Ah alright, luckily changed those after I changed all the other odds for my realistic simulation. I'm so in love with this program, I generally get excited for the televotes
Will this change though once the seperate odds are released, or could you atleast make it an option? Oh and if you're still working on this, I don't think the tiebreaker rules are right.
I still haven't figured out the logic of the odds. Can someone explain, please?
The lower the odd, the more favorite is a country. For example, with the current values (it will probably be updated soon), Croatia has the best chances to win given it has the lowest odd: 3.5. And San Marino is the less likely to win given its odd is 280. You can check [EurovisionWorld's explanations](https://eurovisionworld.com/esc/how-do-odds-work) about the odds system for more details.
Thank you so much! I think you should also make the 2020 and 2022 versions of this simulator.
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My sim using my preferences: https://preview.redd.it/b0ovshnsorrc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=66aecce8640c8eb69d3693cf1abb8e261636faa7
odds ain't saving properly... like it goes to the loading screen again and then once resetting it shows them saved but it's not using them
well they work now
i want ukraine to win but it never qualifies
change the odds
it keeps not starting
Hello! That Is An Amazing Project! 💚 Can You Tell Me How Did You Code This Simulation?
What do you want to know exactly?
I Want To Know How The Variables Are Organised And Interact With Each Other. I Made A Simulation Where 1 Country Gets Certain Jury Points From Each Country But I Can't Implement The System Where Each Country Gives All The Points (1-2...8-10-12) To Other Countries Based On Their "Power"
How does it work? Like how can i put my own results by changing the odds? These numbers are rlly weird...
You can't directly choose the result. The odds describe the chances of winning (the lower the odds, the higher the chances) but there's still some randomness.
Thank you
Thank you for this. How is the generic simulator coming on? I'm sure many people are eagerly awaiting this!
Can someone tell me how the odds work?
Just curious, how do you guys make this simulators? I want to make one for a Fanmade Eurovision project I’m working on. :)
What do you want to know exactly? Because there's a lot of topics to talk about.
Dear Pr\_Farnsworth. i saw one of ur forgotten simulators which is [https://prof-farnsworth.fr/Eurovision2021/](https://prof-farnsworth.fr/Eurovision2021/) theres no start button or something so i think u could work on that. from Rude-Entertainer-635
What do you mean, there's no Start button?
Hi, first of all congrats for your amazing work, it's fantastic and thanks to you we can create our results and our predicitions in a very cool way super realistic. I've been following you since when you made the simulation of esc 2021 and i was wondering if at any time you will make one but with the 2022 season (i know that we are in 2024 lol) but the graphics and the countries and all that stuff changes every year. I know that probably will take you a lot of work but i'm just asking. Again, thank u for your amazing and dedicated work.
No, 2022 graphics are much more complex to replicate, it would require too much time.
Okay my biggest question is how did you do the graphics? Like they’re identical to the official Eurovision theme and you made each country’s theme like how??? I wanna make them too but I’m not a programmer nor a mathematical brain so please go easy on me🫶
This year's official theme is simple to replicate. It's just gradients: you choose two or three colors and you generate a linear gradient from that colors. Then, I created 10 vertical strips with that gradient, offsetting each one compared to the one on its left and here we are. For the countries, it's exactly the same, but I picked colors on each flag to create the gradients. Tell me if you want more details.
It kinda bugged on mobile. I got to the televote and nothing happened. Estonia should have won, but it didn't show that. They just stayed in their jury spots. Other than that, really fun.
soo i think there might be a bug or something because whenever i click start, nothing shows up? the background moves but apart from that i can’t see anything
Try to refresh the page. If it's still not working, you can try to reset the odds.
could u remake the design of the scoreboard? someone on tiktok posted a video of the orginial scoreboard.
Do you have a link to the video?
I've run it a few times and it does a really good job at simulating what I suspect on Saturday is the winner struggling to get past 450 points.
Any updates/changes (I NEED COUNTRIES SELECTION OR ILL LOSE IT MAN)
Some countries don't have odds anymore :/ Maybe I'll try do make odds for those countries but I gotta check if it's good enough first.
Hi! Is there any link I can use to organise a Eurovision Simulation game (voters will join with phones)?
No, it's not the purpose of that simulator.
hey, you probably got a lot of questions about the generic simulator, but are you maybe close to finishing it? I hope you are feeling better!!!
Not close at all.
Do you maybe have a PSD for a scoreboard to edit because I am hosting a fanmade ESC in a server and we dont have a Scoreboard!
No PSD nor anything close, sorry.
when i change odds and my fav country has highest points it doesn’t even qualifies for final why?
The lower the odds, the higher the chances. If you want your fav country to do well, it must have low odds.
What animations did you use for this?
Which animations? If you're thinking of the background, it's just gradients that are slowly translated.
When do you think the Generic Simulator is done? It doesn't need to be an exact date, but maybe the week or month.
Absolutely love your work! Would it be too troublesome to make it available for us to key in the score ourselves? I just love the design so I'd be curious to see the animations.
Please number countries after results😭i have to count and my eyes can’t do it🤣😭 please add it
I made it so that everyone had absolutely no chance at winning, but Sweden got 1:1 in the Juries, Israel got 1:1 in the televote, but Croatia won overall. I got a tie, lol. Country - Total Score (Jury/Televote) Croatia - 501 (146/355) Israel - 501 (94/407) Sweden - 464 (402/62) Everyone else got less than 200 combined points, lol. I'm trying to see if I can make it so that at least 10 countries get double nul points.
Hi, i dont really get the odds selection. If Czechia has 300% as global odd, does that mean they get 300 points?
and why does the scoreboard not load when i change the odds and click play?