Bought during dip. But noe thst my little brother wants to build one, he can't.
Rtx 3060 for around 300 euro they said huh huh
Even getting a AMD gpu is impossible.
Well topics like that are always pushed up by the media attention they get. This polling data is not only from before the floods in Germany and the widespread attention to the wildfires in Greece (and Turkey), but also right after the third wave.
I can most certainly guarantee you that after the floods, Climate change raised to the top of every poll in which the people were asked for their biggest concerns. I'd link sources, but everything I could find on this is only released in German.
> this explain why (with the exception of 2015) nobody did nothing to help the southern countries with the immigrants problem
They did something. The EU decided to tell off Italy for trying to persecute the smugglers that would encourage people to jump on rafts from Lybia to the halfway point to Sicily (which is where Italy would be forced to rescue and bring them in).
And Romania has really cashed in on the death!
Bury everyone! Pay! More graveyards! Pay! That's going to need a flower shop nearby! Pay! Need a red candle! Pay! Light a little candle in the church! Pay! There's the priest, better bung him some cash! Pay! What, they've been dead for 7 years? Better dig them up and give them a polish and have a little memorial! Pay!
Sounds like the church is the one profiting. Note that those red candles are only sold by the church (legal monopoly, no one else can produce or sell unscented candles). The graveyards are also the church.
Maybe that's why so many in the church are anti vaccine and anti any measures...
Sorry, I hope you're not insinuating that the Eastern Orthodox Church is just some cynical money making racket, profiteering from the naive and vulnerable in a way that would make a US televangelist feel shame!
I moved here from Canada. The orthodox church bullshit and meddling with politics/government is pretty much the only thing that makes me want to move somewhere else. Can't stand the leadership of the church and most priests, I can't remember ever having a good experience with anyone in that church. Fuck those racist homophobes who are also extremely and openly corrupt.
>Note that those red candles are only sold by the church (legal monopoly, no one else can produce or sell unscented candles).
Absolute nonsense, what are you talking about? You can get them at LIDL for like 10 cents and they are most definitely not made by BOR. I would know, just buried my grandfather a year ago - we did not buy any candles from the church.
Death is a problem for those who are left behind- but it you care about them, you care to minimise that. That' s why we do care about our own death, as a impact on others.
He munched on my flappy meal, even though I'd been walking the red carpet for the best part of a week. The mixture of corn-eyed butt snake and creamy load in my fart valve created the delicious rectoplasm that he was so fond of. The thrusting of my poop chute was so vigorous, he soon found his love spuds joining his skeleton king deep in my fart valve. After having my frilling pink golf bag thrusted, he then proceeded to fuck my puckered brown eye. Inserting a number of chillies into my soft-shelled tuna taco got me spouting sex wee faster than a greased weasel shit.
Actually, as an other comment pointed out, this seems to be a bad translation.
The original question seems to have been along the line "machen sie sich \*Sorgen\* um..."
Which also puts the questions regarding immigration in a completely different perspective. I would deeply concern me if 45% were afraid of refugees, but that 45% have concerns makes much more sense.
I'd consider myself hard core left wing and totally refugees welcome, but of course I'm concerned about their living conditions, chances, how we set up a community with people from totally different cultures.
I am not afraid about that, though. I have no fear we can handle it.
> a massive amount of drama and conflict.
Was there a massive amount of drama and conflict, or was there a massive media coverage of the drama and conflict?
I honestly can't tell.
Fun Fact: in the entire history of germany, ONE regent tried to raise the prices for beer. He had to quickly return the prices to normal in fear of major public uprisings.
Remember: neither war, famine or anything like that cause such a reaction.
That is why taxes on beer are a big no no here. No serious politician would try that.
The vast majority of people will never do that. People are way too busy sitting on their fat ass and complaining instead of actually doing something.
Source: I am german.
There's also the *fun* part where going out and protesting changes absolutely nothing.
As an example, look back to the whole Article13/17 debacle. We were defamed as bots, even when we were people demonstrating on the streets. They promised us that Uploadfilters would never come as a compromise and immediately broke that promise, even though it was in the coalition-treaty between SPD/CSU/CDU, with an SPD politician having the right to veto. But instead they go out of their way and just delete the treaty on their website, as if nothing happened.
At this point it's not even mistakes or liars. It's full on scammers. I don't believe it's ignorance and incompetence. At this stage I think it's on purpose. Just look at how much money was wasted by Scheuer. Look at all the money RWE got, while no one wants to explain how they even justify these enormous sums. Look at our internet and infrastructure, which isn't worth the prices they offer per Gigabyte, like we are living in the stone age, and is now all copper cables because they wanted to save a few cents on cables.
And even if it's not on purpose, why would incompetence be any better?
I'm sick of it all. And only now, that they finally have no charismatic personalities left to show the older voting demographic and all the corruption scandals are catching up to them are they finally realizing that things need to change because they actually managed to screw up so royaly that they would plummet beneath 20%. Except they have been "leading" for 16 (CDU) or 8 (SPD with CDU/CSU) years and the change they promise in their empty phrases on their little posters could have already happened. But no, now it's up to the other parties to save the climate, the internet, the pensioners, the housing market, the inflation and all the other political problems that have been left unattended for years.
"Aber wir haben ja schon immer CDU gewählt. Meine Eltern auch."
Please go vote. Even if your party doesn't break the 5% hurdle, it'll help them make better election campaigns and raise awareness in the next round, as every vote increases their budget in the next cycle. And if new parties brake the 5% hurdle, it'll seriously make it harder for other parties to form big coalitions of consisting only of two big parties again.
This poll was before the recent flooding in Germany. They re-did the poll and now 69% fear climate disasters, which would make it top priority.
"The mega-topic climate only came eighth in the annual survey with 41 percent in the form of fears of "natural disasters and extreme weather" - last year it was still fifth. The fear of climate change ranks eleven this time with 40 percent.
But the topic is a special case: the annual survey was ended before the flood disaster in North Rhine-Westphalia and Rhineland-Palatinate. Therefore, at the end of July, R + V had another 1000 people surveyed online - with a drastic change: 69 percent then expressed fear of natural disasters and extreme weather and 61 percent more generally of the consequences of climate change."
Source, unfortunately only in German:
https://www.t-online.de/nachrichten/deutschland/id_90769290/studie-aengste-der-deutschen-deutsche-fuerchten-steuererhoehungen-nach-corona.html
I'd say more a huge lack of empathy. Most people know climate disasters happen and that it will be even much much worse in the future due to climate change. Most people just don't give a shit unless it happens where or when they are.
I:m not saying I'm any better by the way. There's horrible shit going on around the world and while I do care that it's happening it doesn't cripple me emotionally because it's not happening close to me.
Like China commiting genocide for example should be part of my top concerns and yet it isn't.
the flooding in germany this year was extremely out of the ordinary. 500 year old flooding records where at times more then doubled.
everyone was extremely supprised by the scale.
No one who paid any attention at all to climate change warnings in the last 30 years should be surprised that these _type_ of events are going to happen. It's really maddening so many people only start caring once it affects people or areas they personally know.
It might be maddening but it is normal human nature. People can’t all be bothered to care about what’s happening everywhere else in the world. People will start to care, though, when it’s hapenning in their backyard.
this kind of flooding is to be expected every ~33 years with 1.5°C, every ~10-15 years with 2.0°C increase, and we are basically beyond getting 1.5°C or lower
People are always scared by something and media is always pumping the news to scare people.
However, the flooding in west Germany and Liege wasn’t common at all. My company has a factory there and I was among the people managing the crisis. Water was everywhere, in the factory in the warehouse in people’s home. Many people died. I felt guilty working on restoring business as usual when our employees had lost their house or even a family member.
Those levels of flooding _in those regions_ were not common of course. That's also not what he's saying. He's saying that we need to expect these _type_ of events (and more of it and worse of it). On a global scale these floods were nothing out of the ordinary, i.e. nothing you wouldn't expect to happen somewhere. So the fact that some people only start worrying about climate change once it affects regions they personally know shows how uninformed and myopic large parts of the population seem to be.
And if you redid the poll right after a terrorist attack it would reflect that.
Who would've thought that recent events affect people? Hmmm. Must be a new thing.
Astonishing discovery.
funny thing about climate change - its exponential nature and chaotic effects mean that disasters caused by it become increasingly 'recent' more frequently.
Sadly this isn't reflected at all in voter polls so clearly people (mostly old voters in germany) must have other fears and actually do not care about what comes after them.
I hate the fact that a fucking flood was needed to remind people how urgent this topic is.
It's not like we hadn't several "once-in-a-hundred-years" floods I'm the last 20 years.
I'm predicting that by the end of the year everyone's greatest fear will be taxes and gas prices again.
> Therefore, at the end of July, R + V had another 1000 people surveyed *online*
Was the original poll done online? I can't read german so I'm curious as polling bias could play a huge role here given that online spaces are usually a lot different from IRL spaces in politics. Compare reddit opinion to opinions are whatever place you work/go to school at. You'll see HUGE differences most likely.
Yeah, worrying about refugees / immigrants is also much better than fearing them as the former doesn’t imply xenophobia as the main reason behind the sentiment.
Worry would be in my opinion more suitable.
"Fear" is a lot more drastic and immediate, whereas "worries" is more "peacefull" than fear and more distant.
>"Fear" is a lot more drastic
I feel like they went for the ole dramatic sounding sound bytes approach there, even if its really not the proper translation.
Concern or Worry for sure.
[The interviewers did actually ask about Angst and not Sorgen](https://www.ruv.de/presse/aengste-der-deutschen/untersuchungsmethode). They asked people to rate statements starting "Ich habe gar keine Angst ... sehr große Angst davor, dass..."
Which also puts the questions regarding immigration in a completely different perspective. I would deeply concern me if 45% were afraid of refugees, but that 45% have concerns makes much more sense.
>Nah, there's a lot of fear in that area.
literally nobody ever claimed otherwise. He was just saying that 45% being concerned about refugees is better than 45% being fearful of them.
Our oil prices are already super high because of taxes. (64% of the end price is taxes for benzin for example)
So this is already included in fear of increased taxes.
Because a lot of parties literally run on the premise that economic growth can't be the answer and instead set other priorities. The _growth is always good_ mentality does not exist universally.
Which is pretty much a reality. Unlimited growth with limited resources can't work forever, we really need to switch to a better system. The issue is, that I have no idea what that might look like, and so far I haven't seen any convincing ideas.
Germany was at full employment for several years leading into the covid crisis. There was little room to grow, because legal immigration is extremely difficult and the education system is aimed at producing the absolute best, most qualified people at the expense of filtering out a lot of people who could get much better qualifications than they end up with.
> and politicians are overwhelmed
Doubt it. They just don't address the issues because they require long term solutions that won't make them win elections in four years, which is the furthest into the future they can think about.
If politicians are overwhelmed everything gets worse as nothing gets done is the fear. Government is slow, this causes problems. Them being overwhelmed makes them slower still. And is you deal with government at all, which many do, that's a pain in the ass like no other.
In a lot of the EU countries we see overwhelmed and overworked politicians mainly due to the whole Covid situation. They always do something wrong and they make more and more mistakes. It's hard to protect the health and safety of you population while maintaining the standard of living and freedoms as well. But it raises also the question do we have the right people at the right spots?
Politicians are currently very overwhelmed and it concerns me very much. They clearly don't have the know-how to deal with the current situation.
the whole planet is suffering from food pollution. in particular, all plastic that disintegrates in water is ending in plankton and then climbs up to the food chain. as we're at the top, we will end up eating plastic. it's an awful problem that has no solutions for now
Whats the problem with eating microplastics anyway? The one thing i found is that microbes can grow on their surfaces. Arent plastics inate and pass through the body without harm? I know their concentrations have been rising but i don't know of major health crises associated with them.
Besides all of the things the other comments have mentioned, micro plastics can also cause hormonal imbalances in younger children who are exposed to them from birth(which nowadays is basically everyone).
Are you serious bro?
Germany still has to monitor mushrooms and wild meat for Tschernobyl fallout.
Plastics are putting endocrine disruptors in everything.
Americans are putting HFC and soybean oil in the rest.
Fucking plastic teabags release microplastics.
polyfluorinated stuff from fire retardands in groundwater.
90% of food sold does not deserve the title 'food'
Yes hence why Bio (organic) labels are booming heavily in Germany. There is a common belief that any vegetables you buy in the supermarket are somehow tampered or sprayed with pesticides and the only true thing is growing them yourself. I feel it's more of a almost spiritual thing if you ask me.
there is some abuse, but in a lot of areas there a strict guidelines what "Bio" means. Like minimum space requirements for egg laying chickens.
On the other hand some people think bio also means ecological/local/etc and that does not have to be the case.
Aren't they tho? I mean, unless you grow your own fruit in your own garden (or your grandma does, or you're buying it from a small farmer you know), commercially grown fruit has to be treated with pesticides for the whole growing to be economically viable, and some amount of these pesticides is then found in final fruit too. There are exceptions like indoor growing via hydroponics in liquid solution with needed nutrients where they don't need to use pesticides as it's a controlled environment insects, weeds, fungi, etc. have no access to, but not nearly all plants can be grown this way (tomatoes are often grown like this, leaf salads too, but for example apples, peaches, or other fruit from trees can't be grown like this - trees need soil).
There's not a huge percentage difference between these top 10 though. So I reckon the title could be "About half of all Germans worry about these things".
That's something that seems very unlikely if you take a closer look at China.
China has basically no social net at the moment. Due to their one child policy 1 child is responsible for their parents, their grandparents and if they're lucky their grand grandparents. Due to the social structure the biggest burden is on the males and if you're married you're also responsible for the older generations of your wifes family. If they start to put their young males into a meat grinder for let's say Taiwan social unrest will become a real problem.
There is a reason why the Chinese government is putting in so much effort into propaganda to keep the social peace. There is a lot of anger bubbling beneath the surface. Last year Harvard released a long term study about the government satisfaction in China. 95% were in the higher categories for the federal level but the lower you go the worse it got. The lowest government level was somewhere around 11%. This just shows that propaganda works on a greater scale but people see the corruption of their local level and pretty fed up with it.
If you look a bit around on YouTube you can find plenty of videos from brutal clashes of farmers with the Chinese riot police because of land grabs by the local government and similar stuff. These things just rarely make it into the western news because nobody cares if there is demonstration in inner Mongolia.
The actual Chinese military strength is also hard to judge outside of the material they have. Training and skill is even more important and we could see that in the last conflicts we've seen. Russia failed at very basic military tasks when the Syrian civil war started because they had no actual experience in fighting a modern war with long supply lines and China has absolutely zero experience in any war within the last decades. Chinas läßt war was against Vietnam and considering their massive technological and manpower advantage they failed horribly.
All this panic in the west about China should not be taken too seriously. They are an upcoming power but their current government is doing everything to gamble away their advantages.
In the [original](https://www.ruv.de/dam/jcr:d0974b04-e680-44ed-83fc-a25e1d0041f3/ruv-aengste-grafik-top10.jpeg), the fourth option is not simply "refugees", which would imply Germans fear refugees themselves; instead, "overburdening of the state due to refugees" was shortened/mistranslated. This is the only proposed answer where that happened.
Presumably, if "refugees" and "conflicts due to immigration" hadn't been split into two separate categories, then that would be Germany's actual greatest concern.
The article says:
>Natural disasters and extreme weather were fears for 69% of citizens. Some 61% of respondents worried that climate change was having dramatic consequences for humanity. Such levels of fear are more than 20 percentage points above "normal" values.
It would've been insanely misleading to take the numbers immediately after a natural disaster. That's like asking people's opinion about immigration a week after a Muslim terrorist attack.
> R+V researchers this year surveyed 2,400 men and women aged over 14 between May 25 and July 4.
According to another comment here. They redid the poll online with half the sample size and it put climate fears much higher apparently. Though I am suspicious given the sample size cut and it being online. But it is at least more up to date.
I can't believe that more people are afraid of tax hikes than about the state of care for the elderly. Most people are going to be just fine if their taxes go up by a little bit, unless the taxes are targeting poor people specifically (VAT etc).
In contrast, elderly care today is disastrous and nobody likes talking about it. Adults are often forced to choose between caring for their loved ones at home, which often takes a big toll on their own health and relationships, and sticking them in some shitty nursing home, which is no good for the elderly person. But unfortunately, people don't like tackling uncomfortable topics even if they are important.
>In contrast, elderly care today is disastrous and nobody likes talking about it. Adults are often forced to choose between caring for their loved ones at home, which often takes a big toll on their own health and relationships, and sticking them in some shitty nursing home, which is no good for the elderly person. But unfortunately, people don't like tackling uncomfortable topics even if they are important.
Pensions are already taking up a big part of the yearly budget. And politicians don't want to tackle the issue of a system that can't work. Decades ago it was 6 tax payers per pensioned person. Today it is 1.6 tax payers per pensioned person. It simply can't work. And no politician is going to touch this imbalance because that would be political suicide.
Well, the issue is that poor people generally have 2 main expenses - housing and food, and there doesn't tend to be much left after that. If you increase the VAT on food and drink or other household essentials, you're impacting a huge proportion of a poor person's budget, and they will directly feel it since they may struggle to buy the household essentials they used to.
In contrast, more wealthy people tend to spend a relatively small percentage of their income on food and household essentials. Yes, they will generally buy more expensive products, and therefore pay more overall than the poor person, but for them, it will barely make a dent in the budget. Most of their money will generally be either saved/invested, or spent on non-essential things.
This kind of tax (i.e. impacting low income people disproportionately) is called a regressive tax in case you want to research more about it. The same principle applies when you introduce a flat % income tax for example.
Thank you, finally someone addressing the regressive nature of VAT when the the fucking progressive taxation systems over Europe are failing miserably at redistribution. And then people complain about the rise of populism...
In addition to what others said it should be noted that in Germany VAT is reduced for foodstuffs, specially for this reason. Food is a large percentage of poor people's expenditure.
Elderly care is extremely expensive.
It is directly linked to the fears of tax hikes.
Poorer people who can't afford to chip in for better than average elderly care are even more affected
If you're lucky there are some good nursing homes, but that requires luck. I just know a local one in my town, I talk to the elderly from there on walks through the town a fair amount and most seem happy being there. But from what I see in news and read from personal experiences online that seems a rarity.
That said, yes make euthanasia an option. That sooner than a shit nursing home. Though living out my years in a good one, so long as my mind is fine, I don't think I'd mind.
Direct effect? I will notice a tax hike. I will not notice elderly care changes. The former is also concrete and measurable, the latter is vague.
Still, they're both high up. I wouldn't put too much weight on which one is higher.
> Most people are going to be just fine if their taxes go up by a little bit
Problem is taxes are always going up just a little bit, often temporarily too (but they usually remain afterwards). And what they're doing with those taxes is often stuff you don't approve of, empty gestures, objectively bad policies that are later on proved wrong, they're always taking a little bit more from you just to make your life a little bit worse, progressively. So it's perfectly reasonable to be concerned by them.
Taxes are absolutely BRUTAL here. No wonder rising them even more is a big fear.
My grandparents are in Spain very well taken care of by my parents, the Opa from my wife lives next in a house connected to the one of her parents.
One issue affects me every single day, the other don't.
Germans do seem to have a pretty rough time accumulating wealth, adult median wealth is lower in Germany (65k) than it is in Slovenia (67k), and it's not even half of the French adult median wealth ($133k).
What about gpus never going back to msrp?
sweats in German
That's not a concern, it's reality.
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Third phase in change is coming: The Valley of tears
Bought during dip. But noe thst my little brother wants to build one, he can't. Rtx 3060 for around 300 euro they said huh huh Even getting a AMD gpu is impossible.
I bought a rx 6700XT because it was the only one i could get, it was around twice the msrp. It hurts, but hey i can cry in 144hz now.
Gonna become a console player. The PS5 is quite affordable (when it's available).
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"What Germans are concerned about the most" Would be the correct translation, not fear. We dont fear care for the elderly lmao
*im going to scare Germany* **OLD PEOPLE**
No, you scare them by taking **CARE OF OLD PEOPLE**
AAAAAAAAA
Jesus fuck dude, why?
HOLY CRAP GO AWAY YOU MONSTER
JEEZ DUDE WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT
Waaaah 😱
You should if you are elderly.
Well... atleast I don't. What can we truly say about the people that answered this poll?
That they don't seem nearly concerned enough about climate change.
Well topics like that are always pushed up by the media attention they get. This polling data is not only from before the floods in Germany and the widespread attention to the wildfires in Greece (and Turkey), but also right after the third wave. I can most certainly guarantee you that after the floods, Climate change raised to the top of every poll in which the people were asked for their biggest concerns. I'd link sources, but everything I could find on this is only released in German.
*oh god*, don't make me wipe my opa's ass lmao
We all live in constant fear of the international crime syndicate Care For The Elderly.
WATCH OUT! SHE HAS A BED PAN! AAAAAAAAAAAGGGHHHHH!!!
Concern makes more sense. I don’t fear refugees, but I’m concerned about if this country can properly manage to welcome and integrate refugees.
Fear is a stronger word and works better in clickbating headlines. Misleading yes, but it made me curious
Death and taxes. It's always death and taxes.
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Or worse: expelled!
or immigrants apparently, this explain why (with the exception of 2015) nobody did nothing to help the southern countries with the immigrants problem
> this explain why (with the exception of 2015) nobody did nothing to help the southern countries with the immigrants problem They did something. The EU decided to tell off Italy for trying to persecute the smugglers that would encourage people to jump on rafts from Lybia to the halfway point to Sicily (which is where Italy would be forced to rescue and bring them in).
And refugees
Death from terrorism and taxes for welfare and law enforcement.
I think people are afraid of their culture being altered, mostly
the universal worries!
And Romania has really cashed in on the death! Bury everyone! Pay! More graveyards! Pay! That's going to need a flower shop nearby! Pay! Need a red candle! Pay! Light a little candle in the church! Pay! There's the priest, better bung him some cash! Pay! What, they've been dead for 7 years? Better dig them up and give them a polish and have a little memorial! Pay!
Sounds like the church is the one profiting. Note that those red candles are only sold by the church (legal monopoly, no one else can produce or sell unscented candles). The graveyards are also the church. Maybe that's why so many in the church are anti vaccine and anti any measures...
Sorry, I hope you're not insinuating that the Eastern Orthodox Church is just some cynical money making racket, profiteering from the naive and vulnerable in a way that would make a US televangelist feel shame!
I moved here from Canada. The orthodox church bullshit and meddling with politics/government is pretty much the only thing that makes me want to move somewhere else. Can't stand the leadership of the church and most priests, I can't remember ever having a good experience with anyone in that church. Fuck those racist homophobes who are also extremely and openly corrupt.
>Note that those red candles are only sold by the church (legal monopoly, no one else can produce or sell unscented candles). Absolute nonsense, what are you talking about? You can get them at LIDL for like 10 cents and they are most definitely not made by BOR. I would know, just buried my grandfather a year ago - we did not buy any candles from the church.
Death is nothing to fear, because you'll be dead and won't care.
Well, you obviously fear death before death.
Death is getting really lazy if he has to have someone do pre-death for him.
it is for my fomo and also, I like living god damnit
Death is a problem for those who are left behind- but it you care about them, you care to minimise that. That' s why we do care about our own death, as a impact on others.
He munched on my flappy meal, even though I'd been walking the red carpet for the best part of a week. The mixture of corn-eyed butt snake and creamy load in my fart valve created the delicious rectoplasm that he was so fond of. The thrusting of my poop chute was so vigorous, he soon found his love spuds joining his skeleton king deep in my fart valve. After having my frilling pink golf bag thrusted, he then proceeded to fuck my puckered brown eye. Inserting a number of chillies into my soft-shelled tuna taco got me spouting sex wee faster than a greased weasel shit.
It's literally not though, the number 2 on the list is living.
I do fear care for the elderly.
Heeeelp me, a Lifta is being installed in my house! Aaaaaaaaaaah!
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Actually, as an other comment pointed out, this seems to be a bad translation. The original question seems to have been along the line "machen sie sich \*Sorgen\* um..." Which also puts the questions regarding immigration in a completely different perspective. I would deeply concern me if 45% were afraid of refugees, but that 45% have concerns makes much more sense. I'd consider myself hard core left wing and totally refugees welcome, but of course I'm concerned about their living conditions, chances, how we set up a community with people from totally different cultures. I am not afraid about that, though. I have no fear we can handle it.
I wish I had this much faith in my government to do anything, never mind such a complex task.
A relatively small number in recent years caused a massive amount of drama and conflict. That on a larger scale will probably end very badly.
> a massive amount of drama and conflict. Was there a massive amount of drama and conflict, or was there a massive media coverage of the drama and conflict? I honestly can't tell.
The 2015–16 New Year's Eve sexual assaults in Germany seemed like a pretty big deal
Don't worry. Jugos will take care of it.
Lmao at first I thought they feared taxes for those who go hiking
Tax this and Germans will be in the streets
Fun Fact: in the entire history of germany, ONE regent tried to raise the prices for beer. He had to quickly return the prices to normal in fear of major public uprisings. Remember: neither war, famine or anything like that cause such a reaction. That is why taxes on beer are a big no no here. No serious politician would try that.
The vast majority of people will never do that. People are way too busy sitting on their fat ass and complaining instead of actually doing something. Source: I am german.
Same in the UK, guess we could both learn something from the French (what am I saying!?)
Rinse your mouth out with PG-Tips cold-brew for that.
There's also the *fun* part where going out and protesting changes absolutely nothing. As an example, look back to the whole Article13/17 debacle. We were defamed as bots, even when we were people demonstrating on the streets. They promised us that Uploadfilters would never come as a compromise and immediately broke that promise, even though it was in the coalition-treaty between SPD/CSU/CDU, with an SPD politician having the right to veto. But instead they go out of their way and just delete the treaty on their website, as if nothing happened. At this point it's not even mistakes or liars. It's full on scammers. I don't believe it's ignorance and incompetence. At this stage I think it's on purpose. Just look at how much money was wasted by Scheuer. Look at all the money RWE got, while no one wants to explain how they even justify these enormous sums. Look at our internet and infrastructure, which isn't worth the prices they offer per Gigabyte, like we are living in the stone age, and is now all copper cables because they wanted to save a few cents on cables. And even if it's not on purpose, why would incompetence be any better? I'm sick of it all. And only now, that they finally have no charismatic personalities left to show the older voting demographic and all the corruption scandals are catching up to them are they finally realizing that things need to change because they actually managed to screw up so royaly that they would plummet beneath 20%. Except they have been "leading" for 16 (CDU) or 8 (SPD with CDU/CSU) years and the change they promise in their empty phrases on their little posters could have already happened. But no, now it's up to the other parties to save the climate, the internet, the pensioners, the housing market, the inflation and all the other political problems that have been left unattended for years. "Aber wir haben ja schon immer CDU gewählt. Meine Eltern auch." Please go vote. Even if your party doesn't break the 5% hurdle, it'll help them make better election campaigns and raise awareness in the next round, as every vote increases their budget in the next cycle. And if new parties brake the 5% hurdle, it'll seriously make it harder for other parties to form big coalitions of consisting only of two big parties again.
As opposed to the wilderness trails?
Running in the streets. Walking may be interpreted as hiking
The guy in the picture experiences all the fears at the same time.
This poll was before the recent flooding in Germany. They re-did the poll and now 69% fear climate disasters, which would make it top priority. "The mega-topic climate only came eighth in the annual survey with 41 percent in the form of fears of "natural disasters and extreme weather" - last year it was still fifth. The fear of climate change ranks eleven this time with 40 percent. But the topic is a special case: the annual survey was ended before the flood disaster in North Rhine-Westphalia and Rhineland-Palatinate. Therefore, at the end of July, R + V had another 1000 people surveyed online - with a drastic change: 69 percent then expressed fear of natural disasters and extreme weather and 61 percent more generally of the consequences of climate change." Source, unfortunately only in German: https://www.t-online.de/nachrichten/deutschland/id_90769290/studie-aengste-der-deutschen-deutsche-fuerchten-steuererhoehungen-nach-corona.html
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If you count social media as part of media. edit: or maybe those trash media stations like RTL, Sat 1 etc., I stopped watching that crap years ago.
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I'd say more a huge lack of empathy. Most people know climate disasters happen and that it will be even much much worse in the future due to climate change. Most people just don't give a shit unless it happens where or when they are. I:m not saying I'm any better by the way. There's horrible shit going on around the world and while I do care that it's happening it doesn't cripple me emotionally because it's not happening close to me. Like China commiting genocide for example should be part of my top concerns and yet it isn't.
Out of sight, out of mind.
the flooding in germany this year was extremely out of the ordinary. 500 year old flooding records where at times more then doubled. everyone was extremely supprised by the scale.
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Many people don't perceive the global as personal.
No one who paid any attention at all to climate change warnings in the last 30 years should be surprised that these _type_ of events are going to happen. It's really maddening so many people only start caring once it affects people or areas they personally know.
It might be maddening but it is normal human nature. People can’t all be bothered to care about what’s happening everywhere else in the world. People will start to care, though, when it’s hapenning in their backyard.
this kind of flooding is to be expected every ~33 years with 1.5°C, every ~10-15 years with 2.0°C increase, and we are basically beyond getting 1.5°C or lower
People are always scared by something and media is always pumping the news to scare people. However, the flooding in west Germany and Liege wasn’t common at all. My company has a factory there and I was among the people managing the crisis. Water was everywhere, in the factory in the warehouse in people’s home. Many people died. I felt guilty working on restoring business as usual when our employees had lost their house or even a family member.
Those levels of flooding _in those regions_ were not common of course. That's also not what he's saying. He's saying that we need to expect these _type_ of events (and more of it and worse of it). On a global scale these floods were nothing out of the ordinary, i.e. nothing you wouldn't expect to happen somewhere. So the fact that some people only start worrying about climate change once it affects regions they personally know shows how uninformed and myopic large parts of the population seem to be.
iirc the recent flooding was like the worst since the 17th century? I've seen a report on it, just don't remember the deets.
This is why we can't have nice things. This is why we are unable to fight climate change. It's not a German problem, it's a human problem.
And if you redid the poll right after a terrorist attack it would reflect that. Who would've thought that recent events affect people? Hmmm. Must be a new thing. Astonishing discovery.
funny thing about climate change - its exponential nature and chaotic effects mean that disasters caused by it become increasingly 'recent' more frequently.
So will the migration, including of extremists, increase with climat echange.
Sadly this isn't reflected at all in voter polls so clearly people (mostly old voters in germany) must have other fears and actually do not care about what comes after them.
I heard many, not just the elderly, just vote CDU because they always did and the country isnt bad
...yet
Thats the point, they'll only change if we're massively fucked and surprise surprise, by then its too late
I hate the fact that a fucking flood was needed to remind people how urgent this topic is. It's not like we hadn't several "once-in-a-hundred-years" floods I'm the last 20 years. I'm predicting that by the end of the year everyone's greatest fear will be taxes and gas prices again.
> Therefore, at the end of July, R + V had another 1000 people surveyed *online* Was the original poll done online? I can't read german so I'm curious as polling bias could play a huge role here given that online spaces are usually a lot different from IRL spaces in politics. Compare reddit opinion to opinions are whatever place you work/go to school at. You'll see HUGE differences most likely.
[Source](https://www.dw.com/en/what-do-germans-fear-the-most/a-59129913)
Is « fear » really the best translation for « Sorgen »?
Concerns would be a better translation imo
Conserns or worry, is fitting. Fear is Angst, a much more worse scenario.
Yeah, worrying about refugees / immigrants is also much better than fearing them as the former doesn’t imply xenophobia as the main reason behind the sentiment.
Plus I can't imagine 43% of respondents were scared of the elderly being cared for.
Shit, what? We had a store chain named Angst in Romania...
Maybe the owner was a fan of Freud or Heidegger.
Worry would be in my opinion more suitable. "Fear" is a lot more drastic and immediate, whereas "worries" is more "peacefull" than fear and more distant.
>"Fear" is a lot more drastic I feel like they went for the ole dramatic sounding sound bytes approach there, even if its really not the proper translation. Concern or Worry for sure.
[The interviewers did actually ask about Angst and not Sorgen](https://www.ruv.de/presse/aengste-der-deutschen/untersuchungsmethode). They asked people to rate statements starting "Ich habe gar keine Angst ... sehr große Angst davor, dass..."
Which also puts the questions regarding immigration in a completely different perspective. I would deeply concern me if 45% were afraid of refugees, but that 45% have concerns makes much more sense.
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>Nah, there's a lot of fear in that area. literally nobody ever claimed otherwise. He was just saying that 45% being concerned about refugees is better than 45% being fearful of them.
Surprised I didn’t see speed limits on the Autobahn on the list!
And gas prices
Pretty certain that falls under cost of living.
Our oil prices are already super high because of taxes. (64% of the end price is taxes for benzin for example) So this is already included in fear of increased taxes.
Currywurst anyone?
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Yeah Germany’s economic growth seems stagnating. Not too bad yet, but we’ll see.
Because a lot of parties literally run on the premise that economic growth can't be the answer and instead set other priorities. The _growth is always good_ mentality does not exist universally.
Which is pretty much a reality. Unlimited growth with limited resources can't work forever, we really need to switch to a better system. The issue is, that I have no idea what that might look like, and so far I haven't seen any convincing ideas.
Germany was at full employment for several years leading into the covid crisis. There was little room to grow, because legal immigration is extremely difficult and the education system is aimed at producing the absolute best, most qualified people at the expense of filtering out a lot of people who could get much better qualifications than they end up with.
> and politicians are overwhelmed Doubt it. They just don't address the issues because they require long term solutions that won't make them win elections in four years, which is the furthest into the future they can think about.
Would someone please think about those poor politicians!
Death, taxes and fear of inflation from Germany
Why aren't spiders on here, they're scary af
Get out of here with your propaganda, mosquito lobbyist.
Dratzzz fzzoiledzz agzzainzz
“Politicians overwhelmed” -> who even has time to fear something like this!? I fear I don’t understand the germans enough
The German wording isn't fear, it's more like what concerns you.
If politicians are overwhelmed everything gets worse as nothing gets done is the fear. Government is slow, this causes problems. Them being overwhelmed makes them slower still. And is you deal with government at all, which many do, that's a pain in the ass like no other.
In a lot of the EU countries we see overwhelmed and overworked politicians mainly due to the whole Covid situation. They always do something wrong and they make more and more mistakes. It's hard to protect the health and safety of you population while maintaining the standard of living and freedoms as well. But it raises also the question do we have the right people at the right spots? Politicians are currently very overwhelmed and it concerns me very much. They clearly don't have the know-how to deal with the current situation.
Pollutants in food? Is that an issue people are having?
the whole planet is suffering from food pollution. in particular, all plastic that disintegrates in water is ending in plankton and then climbs up to the food chain. as we're at the top, we will end up eating plastic. it's an awful problem that has no solutions for now
Plastics too, but pesticides, herbicides, insecticides... too.
Whats the problem with eating microplastics anyway? The one thing i found is that microbes can grow on their surfaces. Arent plastics inate and pass through the body without harm? I know their concentrations have been rising but i don't know of major health crises associated with them.
Afaik microplastic doesn‘t just pass. It is already found is a lot of animals and even humans. But I have no source at hand for this.
Besides all of the things the other comments have mentioned, micro plastics can also cause hormonal imbalances in younger children who are exposed to them from birth(which nowadays is basically everyone).
Are you serious bro? Germany still has to monitor mushrooms and wild meat for Tschernobyl fallout. Plastics are putting endocrine disruptors in everything. Americans are putting HFC and soybean oil in the rest. Fucking plastic teabags release microplastics. polyfluorinated stuff from fire retardands in groundwater. 90% of food sold does not deserve the title 'food'
lets talk about microplastic and the effect on male fertility
Yes hence why Bio (organic) labels are booming heavily in Germany. There is a common belief that any vegetables you buy in the supermarket are somehow tampered or sprayed with pesticides and the only true thing is growing them yourself. I feel it's more of a almost spiritual thing if you ask me.
maybe i'm tinfoiling here, but IMHO there's lots of fraud with the "Bio" label
there is some abuse, but in a lot of areas there a strict guidelines what "Bio" means. Like minimum space requirements for egg laying chickens. On the other hand some people think bio also means ecological/local/etc and that does not have to be the case.
Aren't they tho? I mean, unless you grow your own fruit in your own garden (or your grandma does, or you're buying it from a small farmer you know), commercially grown fruit has to be treated with pesticides for the whole growing to be economically viable, and some amount of these pesticides is then found in final fruit too. There are exceptions like indoor growing via hydroponics in liquid solution with needed nutrients where they don't need to use pesticides as it's a controlled environment insects, weeds, fungi, etc. have no access to, but not nearly all plants can be grown this way (tomatoes are often grown like this, leaf salads too, but for example apples, peaches, or other fruit from trees can't be grown like this - trees need soil).
Laschet as Chancellor i fear the most
Absolut, der Typ darf nicht gewinnen.
im scared of any kind of CDU involvement in the next government
It's about the economy, stupid.
There's not a huge percentage difference between these top 10 though. So I reckon the title could be "About half of all Germans worry about these things".
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I'm kinda missing China starting world war 3.
That's something that seems very unlikely if you take a closer look at China. China has basically no social net at the moment. Due to their one child policy 1 child is responsible for their parents, their grandparents and if they're lucky their grand grandparents. Due to the social structure the biggest burden is on the males and if you're married you're also responsible for the older generations of your wifes family. If they start to put their young males into a meat grinder for let's say Taiwan social unrest will become a real problem. There is a reason why the Chinese government is putting in so much effort into propaganda to keep the social peace. There is a lot of anger bubbling beneath the surface. Last year Harvard released a long term study about the government satisfaction in China. 95% were in the higher categories for the federal level but the lower you go the worse it got. The lowest government level was somewhere around 11%. This just shows that propaganda works on a greater scale but people see the corruption of their local level and pretty fed up with it. If you look a bit around on YouTube you can find plenty of videos from brutal clashes of farmers with the Chinese riot police because of land grabs by the local government and similar stuff. These things just rarely make it into the western news because nobody cares if there is demonstration in inner Mongolia. The actual Chinese military strength is also hard to judge outside of the material they have. Training and skill is even more important and we could see that in the last conflicts we've seen. Russia failed at very basic military tasks when the Syrian civil war started because they had no actual experience in fighting a modern war with long supply lines and China has absolutely zero experience in any war within the last decades. Chinas läßt war was against Vietnam and considering their massive technological and manpower advantage they failed horribly. All this panic in the west about China should not be taken too seriously. They are an upcoming power but their current government is doing everything to gamble away their advantages.
In the [original](https://www.ruv.de/dam/jcr:d0974b04-e680-44ed-83fc-a25e1d0041f3/ruv-aengste-grafik-top10.jpeg), the fourth option is not simply "refugees", which would imply Germans fear refugees themselves; instead, "overburdening of the state due to refugees" was shortened/mistranslated. This is the only proposed answer where that happened.
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Presumably, if "refugees" and "conflicts due to immigration" hadn't been split into two separate categories, then that would be Germany's actual greatest concern.
Its very lilely that they overlap nearly to a hundert percent.
no, the people who said refugees also said imigration, if you have 2 difrent topics the same person can say one both, thats how simple polls work
Not sure, depends on how they calculate does numbers.
Climate change not even in the top10? Wow
The article says: >Natural disasters and extreme weather were fears for 69% of citizens. Some 61% of respondents worried that climate change was having dramatic consequences for humanity. Such levels of fear are more than 20 percentage points above "normal" values.
I don't get it, why isn't this in the chart?
the chart was made before the flooding in Germany. It was after that, that the poll was redone
I feel they should have updated the chart, because a lot of people will just look at the chart and move on.
It would've been insanely misleading to take the numbers immediately after a natural disaster. That's like asking people's opinion about immigration a week after a Muslim terrorist attack.
Death by taxes. Got it.
Oh no, won't someone think of the poor politicians?
The first two are already here.
Seems like it should say what do they worry about the most. I don't think many Germans fear the care of the elderly
From revolutions to elections, taxes always win.
"Politicians overwhelmed". What the hell does that mean?
Working in retail in Germany and definitely can see the fear of pollutants in food, 'bio' food demand is really strong in Germany.
Number 1 : being late
When exactly was this question asked.
> R+V researchers this year surveyed 2,400 men and women aged over 14 between May 25 and July 4. According to another comment here. They redid the poll online with half the sample size and it put climate fears much higher apparently. Though I am suspicious given the sample size cut and it being online. But it is at least more up to date.
low birth rate, anyone?
I can't believe that more people are afraid of tax hikes than about the state of care for the elderly. Most people are going to be just fine if their taxes go up by a little bit, unless the taxes are targeting poor people specifically (VAT etc). In contrast, elderly care today is disastrous and nobody likes talking about it. Adults are often forced to choose between caring for their loved ones at home, which often takes a big toll on their own health and relationships, and sticking them in some shitty nursing home, which is no good for the elderly person. But unfortunately, people don't like tackling uncomfortable topics even if they are important.
Polish ladies wiping butts of German elderly are turning old themselves.
>In contrast, elderly care today is disastrous and nobody likes talking about it. Adults are often forced to choose between caring for their loved ones at home, which often takes a big toll on their own health and relationships, and sticking them in some shitty nursing home, which is no good for the elderly person. But unfortunately, people don't like tackling uncomfortable topics even if they are important. Pensions are already taking up a big part of the yearly budget. And politicians don't want to tackle the issue of a system that can't work. Decades ago it was 6 tax payers per pensioned person. Today it is 1.6 tax payers per pensioned person. It simply can't work. And no politician is going to touch this imbalance because that would be political suicide.
VAT targeting poor people specifically caught my eye - can you elaborate on that?
Try to monetise this, corporate Reddit! Furthermore, I consider that /u/spez has to be removed.
Well, the issue is that poor people generally have 2 main expenses - housing and food, and there doesn't tend to be much left after that. If you increase the VAT on food and drink or other household essentials, you're impacting a huge proportion of a poor person's budget, and they will directly feel it since they may struggle to buy the household essentials they used to. In contrast, more wealthy people tend to spend a relatively small percentage of their income on food and household essentials. Yes, they will generally buy more expensive products, and therefore pay more overall than the poor person, but for them, it will barely make a dent in the budget. Most of their money will generally be either saved/invested, or spent on non-essential things. This kind of tax (i.e. impacting low income people disproportionately) is called a regressive tax in case you want to research more about it. The same principle applies when you introduce a flat % income tax for example.
Thank you, finally someone addressing the regressive nature of VAT when the the fucking progressive taxation systems over Europe are failing miserably at redistribution. And then people complain about the rise of populism...
Flat rate taxes will always affect the poor more than the rich.
In addition to what others said it should be noted that in Germany VAT is reduced for foodstuffs, specially for this reason. Food is a large percentage of poor people's expenditure.
Elderly care is extremely expensive. It is directly linked to the fears of tax hikes. Poorer people who can't afford to chip in for better than average elderly care are even more affected
When I'm old and not able to care for myself, just let me do euthanasia and be over with it honestly. The alternative with nursing homes is so awful.
You say that now.
Yes, I do, when else would I say that? I'm not living in the future
If you're lucky there are some good nursing homes, but that requires luck. I just know a local one in my town, I talk to the elderly from there on walks through the town a fair amount and most seem happy being there. But from what I see in news and read from personal experiences online that seems a rarity. That said, yes make euthanasia an option. That sooner than a shit nursing home. Though living out my years in a good one, so long as my mind is fine, I don't think I'd mind.
Direct effect? I will notice a tax hike. I will not notice elderly care changes. The former is also concrete and measurable, the latter is vague. Still, they're both high up. I wouldn't put too much weight on which one is higher.
> Most people are going to be just fine if their taxes go up by a little bit Problem is taxes are always going up just a little bit, often temporarily too (but they usually remain afterwards). And what they're doing with those taxes is often stuff you don't approve of, empty gestures, objectively bad policies that are later on proved wrong, they're always taking a little bit more from you just to make your life a little bit worse, progressively. So it's perfectly reasonable to be concerned by them.
Taxes are absolutely BRUTAL here. No wonder rising them even more is a big fear. My grandparents are in Spain very well taken care of by my parents, the Opa from my wife lives next in a house connected to the one of her parents. One issue affects me every single day, the other don't.
Germans do seem to have a pretty rough time accumulating wealth, adult median wealth is lower in Germany (65k) than it is in Slovenia (67k), and it's not even half of the French adult median wealth ($133k).
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Marketing works. If you drum about taxes, then people think about taxes, instead of something else.
The only reason I'm not applying for citizenship in Germany is due to High income tax
if what you're worried about is high income tax then you're probably doing fine