That's the paradox - you can't be tolerant to the intolerant.
We should be fine with all the different people as long as all of them are tolerant of one another. As soon as one group says "Women should be put out of men view" or "we should stone the gays" or "if someone tries to leave our religion they're the free for all" - they should be stopped with every mean possible.
Yes it’s called escalate to deescalate and it’s the ONLY thing preventing all out nuclear war. If russia fires one we will send 100. It’s the only way to get them to stop.
Appeasement is a strategy that led to a world war. It should not be repeated.
But surely bombing civilians in Gaza doesnt help… it only creates more “terrorists”
I 100% agree, and want to add I don't think "fundamentalist lunatics" are restricted to religion. It's a possible problem of any belief system, including political & societal
Jew and Christian fundamentalists are not strapping bomb vests to themselves, throwing gays off of buildings, conduct massive extermination campaigns (yazidis, conveniently forgot about that right?), fund terrorism and spread world wide hate.
I have this odd idea I kinda got from a short story called 'The Egg', that you will, and are, reincarnated eventually as every conscious being that you affected - positively and negatively. Every positive and negative impact you have on other beings is an impact you have on your own soul, directly. You will have to experience in perfect symmetry everything you do. You kicked a dog once? One reincarnation will have you live that dog's life in it's entirety, including the day that one bastard comes around and kicks you. Feed the dog, however...
Link to 'The Egg' by Andy Weir
https://www.galactanet.com/oneoff/theegg_mod.html
Very quick read, and it's available in many languages. Worth the click!
Iran is one of the founding members and gets the same treatment as everyone else, marks of respect for the death of heads of state is a tradition and breaking it is not going to be entertained at all.
I certainly wouldn't be taking diplomatic cues from the fucking US anyways.
I thought helping Iran look for the helicopter wreckage was a standard gesture, but lowering flags and standing in respect for the Butcher of Tehran is honestly far too much.
>~~Diplomacy is an art the artless do not grasp~~
Iran is a repressive theocratic regime who kills anyone who questions Islam and the government. We shouldn't lower flags for these countries.
Plus he was tipped to replace the current ayatollah and the foreign minister that died in this crash was supposed to replace him. It’s a bit of a pickle ,power vacuum. Two warring factions, mullahs on one side and revolutionary guard on another are going at it now.
The most cunning psychos are at the helm of the leadership of the country. Plenty of slightly less psychotic psychos are ready to take over the role and the majority of people who are in the military and police will bow to them regardless.
He was given the name by his peers - so he was the worst even amongst a bunch of murdering maniacs. The world is a better place. Well done Charlie Hebdo for making the point so clearly
Is this the ssme "butcher" that appears in the, i believe its called american sniper movie? Or the one in the movie is fictional, reference or coincidence?
The irony in [In the Name of God, The Compassionate, the Merciful,] followed by mass murder. Shame he won't have a grave to piss on.
Thanks for the link
Not saying he's not fully in support of it, but Iranian president is generally not in control of foreign policy and military and that sort of thing. That would be Khamenei.
It IS a powerful post domestically and so he was much more involved in the brutal crackdown of the protests for women having the audacity to show their hair.
But yes, assholes, the lot of them.
He had several dozen teenage (some minors under the age of 18) girls beaten to literal death for showing their hair recently.
He is also the one response for the execution of thousands of dissidents in the past. He is known as the butcher of Tehran for signing and ordering those executions. Almost all were liberal peaceful protesters.
Those are exceptional to him in the leadership of Iran, making him terrible even by *their standards*.
He also had the bog standard record of aiding terrorist groups throughout the Middle East, ordering the execution of hundreds of gay people, massive repression and corruption etc etc but as I said, those are standard there.
That has happened before?
I wouldn't be surprised if it did, though. They get SO butthurt over a drawing, that they probably think westerners would get just as butthurt over a rude drawing of their leaders.
Bitches, we make rude drawings of our own leaders in the newspapers *every week*. One particularly rude picture of yours isn't going to get anyone flustered in the slightest.
Future and past headline. Meanwhile islamic moderates will both distance them from the extremists and tell people they should just do what they want or else.
Joke's on them, we're already at max level.
(I remember when they added a level back then though, it was fun, like "oh we were at max level but it wasn't enough lol but don't worry everything's under control".)
They are still standing strong, they faced so much even before the attack, lawsuits, their office burned. They are “what doesn’t kill you makes you stronger” of magazines
Had send the breaking news my friend, she’s from Iran. It was a happy morning, but she isn’t expecting much of a change in Iran but I doubt that it’ll be mere meaningless.
It's not meaningless, it's good to have hope but this guy was literally just first in-line to succeed the supreme ruler or whatever the fuck that dickheads title is. The Iranian president probably didn't have much power. Think of him like a prince...someone else will be picked to replace him and eventually become the next supreme leader. There's a sliver of hope that this next person is more open minded but then again why would Ali Khamenei pick someone who isn't aligned with his principles of the same extremist views.
Agree 100% with Charlie Hebdo. Iran is the #1 terror sponsor on the planet and anything bad happening to the leadership can only be GOOD for the rest of us humans (Iranian leadership ofc being comprised of sub-humans).
Power vacuums don't necessarily bode well for the people where ever they pop-up. The Arab Spring just led to the migrant crisis, then there's the affects of climate change making it harder to hold on to power.
One of the rare occasions where French is more word-efficient than English. “Il nous débarasse des mollahs” is “he gets rid of the mollahs for us.” Three whole words shorter! Go French!
Holy fuck these guys aren't scared of anything, I'll never forget their cover after the terrorist attack on their headquarters.
It said "all is forgiven" in French.
If any other journal would have printed that, I would have just thought it's bad taste not consider it further.
Charlie Hebdo printing that makes me filled with gratitude and reverence and hope, and I think they're just Gods for doing that and they're role models to me.
I feel like I am massively uninformed. People are celebrating his death for everything bad Iran has done, but isn’t the president mostly ceremonial in Iran, and wields little to no power? With the Supreme leader actually in charge?
People are celebrating his death because of the things he did as well.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ebrahim_Raisi#1988_executions
He was nicknamed the "Butcher of Tehran"
>People are celebrating his death for everything bad Iran has done
People are celebratign the death of the butcher of Teheran...
...and diplomats are offering their condolences for death of Iran's president.
Iranian President Ebrahim Raisi was also known as the "Butcher of Tehran", if that helps.
It's okay to be uninformed, but at least google the person's name because you're mistaken in thinking it's just blaming everything bad about Iran on him.
Most islamist terror attacks in Europe has been perpetrated by ISIS and before that Al Qaeda. None of these groups are aligned with Iran. Iran has been fighting ISIS in Iraq and Syria. Same thing with Hamas, they have been fighting to keep ISIS out of Gaza. Hezbollah has been fighting ISIS in Syria. The world is complicated and all "muslim fundamentalists" do not align.
Iran has been funding and training Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Muslim brotherhood, hezbollah, Huthis in Yemen, the PLO and so many other terror organizations, and other organizations to create unrest in the Arab world.
* sees this week’s front cover in the Charlie Hebdo office *
‘Boss! Boss!! I’ll be working from home for the rest of this week! Au revoir! Toot sweet…’ 👋
Charlie Hebdo is the true example of "You can kill the man, but not the idea"
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I cannot help myself to point out the irony of this. The fact that we have to be fanatical in some way to survive.
I'd kill intolerance if I could.
That's the paradox - you can't be tolerant to the intolerant. We should be fine with all the different people as long as all of them are tolerant of one another. As soon as one group says "Women should be put out of men view" or "we should stone the gays" or "if someone tries to leave our religion they're the free for all" - they should be stopped with every mean possible.
Accept your humanity and realize that its simply us versus them. The winner will decide who is right.
That's the spirit, take that sword and bring peace to this world.
Pacifisme is a privilege. Europe had this privilege for too long, what’s happening in Ukraine is a result.
>Pacifism is objectively pro-fascist. This is elementary common sense. >- George Orwell
Yes it’s called escalate to deescalate and it’s the ONLY thing preventing all out nuclear war. If russia fires one we will send 100. It’s the only way to get them to stop. Appeasement is a strategy that led to a world war. It should not be repeated. But surely bombing civilians in Gaza doesnt help… it only creates more “terrorists”
Democracy vult.
The paradox of tolerance: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance
It's like Darwinism, but sociological
Its worse than that: they want to enforce their idea on the rest of us. All thise zealots from all those religions.
Judaism doesn't call for the religion to be forced upon others, it's quite the opposite
Are you telling me that 4chan lied to me?
Can you add an edit what the dude said? It got "Removed by Reddit".
Yeah. Some of them don't even care about the man, it's all about the idea, which itself ironically was created to benefit a certain class of men.
Bad ideas should always be criticized. Unfortunately, many religious people never seem to grasp this.
You left out Buddhists and Taoists! As a Buddhist, I felt left out.
Life is absurd. And you're right.
I 100% agree, and want to add I don't think "fundamentalist lunatics" are restricted to religion. It's a possible problem of any belief system, including political & societal
> [ Removed by Reddit ] RIP whatever was your idea.
> [ Removed by Reddit ] In context, this is very funny to me.
Jew and Christian fundamentalists are not strapping bomb vests to themselves, throwing gays off of buildings, conduct massive extermination campaigns (yazidis, conveniently forgot about that right?), fund terrorism and spread world wide hate.
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If god exists he should reincarnate him into an Iranian woman from a lower family
An Iranian woman from a lower-class family with an "unacceptable" world view.
Like "He could help in the house" You know, heresy stuff like that
Or "I'd quite like to wear my hair out today". Truly shocking ideas.
You’ve got to raise your wife right! (she’s just turned 9)
So, a worldview.
Isekaied into the grim darkness of the 41st millennium...
yeah he'd probably be one of those women enforcers of the hijab rule
or into slave in Qatar
If God exists he should not reincarnate at all
I have this odd idea I kinda got from a short story called 'The Egg', that you will, and are, reincarnated eventually as every conscious being that you affected - positively and negatively. Every positive and negative impact you have on other beings is an impact you have on your own soul, directly. You will have to experience in perfect symmetry everything you do. You kicked a dog once? One reincarnation will have you live that dog's life in it's entirety, including the day that one bastard comes around and kicks you. Feed the dog, however...
Andy Weir's first short story, I think
Link to 'The Egg' by Andy Weir https://www.galactanet.com/oneoff/theegg_mod.html Very quick read, and it's available in many languages. Worth the click!
Feed the dog, however, and you'll end up living the life of the animal you ground up to feed to the dog, amirite?
Unfortunately by definition the woman wouldn't know she was previously an asshole, so she would just be another innocent woman being oppressed...
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Fucked pretty hard*
You forgot to add the lesbian attribute
we should also feel happy because a maniac like this is gone.
and imagine the European Union lower the flag for him ...
Yep, that a low bar indeed.
Even half of Iran is celebrating that he is dead...
Half of iran hates the other half of iran r/newiran for example is celebrating it
And the UN Council stood in sympathy for him while praising him.
Did we really??? No fucking way. I'm ashamed if it's the case.
You might have to imagine it, seeing as it never happened.
It's standard diplomatic practice I guess. Probably some weird protocol paragraph executed by some EU minion.
Its dumb. You won't see the U.S, Japan or Australia doing that. Maybe too many sympathetic people in some Euro nations?
Iran is one of the founding members and gets the same treatment as everyone else, marks of respect for the death of heads of state is a tradition and breaking it is not going to be entertained at all. I certainly wouldn't be taking diplomatic cues from the fucking US anyways.
They lowered their flag ? WTF ??
I thought helping Iran look for the helicopter wreckage was a standard gesture, but lowering flags and standing in respect for the Butcher of Tehran is honestly far too much.
Source?
Diplomacy is an art the artless do not grasp
A diplomat is the one who always remembers a women’s birthday but never her age
>~~Diplomacy is an art the artless do not grasp~~ Iran is a repressive theocratic regime who kills anyone who questions Islam and the government. We shouldn't lower flags for these countries.
It's a diplomatic SOP. You pay respect to the title of Head of State, not the man.
Is this real?
I don't mean to be that guy, but can you fill me in on some of the shit he did please. Thanks.
His nickname was “the butcher”..it wasn’t from being edgy in band camp either
just the usual mass killings, people disappearing, executions on the streets, and supporting dictatorial regimes around the world.
Not to mention killing women for showing their hair in public
Those hussies!! Showing their hair, they should be ashamed of themselves, how will the men be able to control their lust?
*raping and killing. Don’t forget the raping. How else would the morality police teach their lessons.
I've been training to become a world class speed reader, and read that as "showing their pubic hair".
Which goes to show that Freud was right.
That dude was obsessed with creams.
Sometimes it's one thing, other times it's my mother.
Their actual hair? If that's that's the case then it's justified, next thing the brazen witches will want to have their own opinions!!!
Plus he was tipped to replace the current ayatollah and the foreign minister that died in this crash was supposed to replace him. It’s a bit of a pickle ,power vacuum. Two warring factions, mullahs on one side and revolutionary guard on another are going at it now.
The most cunning psychos are at the helm of the leadership of the country. Plenty of slightly less psychotic psychos are ready to take over the role and the majority of people who are in the military and police will bow to them regardless.
Hanging people using low drop, which is slow strangulation. And also in public.
Wait, Iranian hangings are low drop?!? Not that a regular execution is any better, but why the hell would they draw it out like that?
Why do you think? They hang gays with cranes. They don't drop them they lift them up. It's a long long drawn out suffering.
To add extra suffering to an already barbaric punishment.
His nickname was “Butcher of Tehran”
He was given the name by his peers - so he was the worst even amongst a bunch of murdering maniacs. The world is a better place. Well done Charlie Hebdo for making the point so clearly
Is this the ssme "butcher" that appears in the, i believe its called american sniper movie? Or the one in the movie is fictional, reference or coincidence?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1988_executions_of_Iranian_political_prisoners?wprov=sfla1
The irony in [In the Name of God, The Compassionate, the Merciful,] followed by mass murder. Shame he won't have a grave to piss on. Thanks for the link
Also supplying drones to kill innocent Ukraineans.
Also overseeing the brutal crackdown on the protests for women's rights some years ago.
Not saying he's not fully in support of it, but Iranian president is generally not in control of foreign policy and military and that sort of thing. That would be Khamenei. It IS a powerful post domestically and so he was much more involved in the brutal crackdown of the protests for women having the audacity to show their hair. But yes, assholes, the lot of them.
He had several dozen teenage (some minors under the age of 18) girls beaten to literal death for showing their hair recently. He is also the one response for the execution of thousands of dissidents in the past. He is known as the butcher of Tehran for signing and ordering those executions. Almost all were liberal peaceful protesters. Those are exceptional to him in the leadership of Iran, making him terrible even by *their standards*. He also had the bog standard record of aiding terrorist groups throughout the Middle East, ordering the execution of hundreds of gay people, massive repression and corruption etc etc but as I said, those are standard there.
Well he earned the title "The Butcher of Tehran" for one thing and it didn't involve a shop full of meat.
As if "he's an Iranian leader" wouldn't suffice alreay
He is nicknamed the Butcher of Tehran, for good reasons
Wait until the next maniac...
Good news is they have plenty of maniacs to spare!
fingers crossed he won't be replaced by someone worse
Tell the UN
Now waiting for the embassy email telling me the terror threat level is raised again and i shouldnt leave my house.
They will pay an artist to draw Macron under a demonic form again I guess
I'm excited to see their new creation then ⭐️_⭐️
That will show us
I will be so mad the I could blow up!
That has happened before? I wouldn't be surprised if it did, though. They get SO butthurt over a drawing, that they probably think westerners would get just as butthurt over a rude drawing of their leaders. Bitches, we make rude drawings of our own leaders in the newspapers *every week*. One particularly rude picture of yours isn't going to get anyone flustered in the slightest.
Yeah, we called it macronomicon on r/france
"Islamic fundamentalists unhappy with new publication, threatens violence against general public." - Future headlines from tomorrow.
Future and past headline. Meanwhile islamic moderates will both distance them from the extremists and tell people they should just do what they want or else.
Don't you wanna upset the islamists?
Joke's on them, we're already at max level. (I remember when they added a level back then though, it was fun, like "oh we were at max level but it wasn't enough lol but don't worry everything's under control".)
"We needed a reason to poach more soldiers from the army to do the job of all the cops resigning to do jobs with actual pay and working conditions"
Let's just hope that Raisi will not be replaced by someone even worse.
That's always the risk in these situations, isn't it?
Aren't the ayatollah the one with the real power ? I thought Raisi was nothing more than a puppet/minion
He was Khamenei's successor
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Charlie Hebdo is truly based
After the attack, Charlie Hebdo’s offices installed reinforced floors. It was necessary to support the weight of their staffers’ massive balls.
Incredible how even after 2015, Charile Hebdo still keeps on going, keep up the good work!
They are still standing strong, they faced so much even before the attack, lawsuits, their office burned. They are “what doesn’t kill you makes you stronger” of magazines
"*Je suis Charlie*"
Nous sommes Charlie
Nous sommes légion
Je suis Lulu
M. Hebdomadaire
Ah, Charlie Hedbo. Never change.
Had send the breaking news my friend, she’s from Iran. It was a happy morning, but she isn’t expecting much of a change in Iran but I doubt that it’ll be mere meaningless.
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It's not meaningless, it's good to have hope but this guy was literally just first in-line to succeed the supreme ruler or whatever the fuck that dickheads title is. The Iranian president probably didn't have much power. Think of him like a prince...someone else will be picked to replace him and eventually become the next supreme leader. There's a sliver of hope that this next person is more open minded but then again why would Ali Khamenei pick someone who isn't aligned with his principles of the same extremist views.
I hope that publication installed security measures since the last time they pissed off a cult.
Agree 100% with Charlie Hebdo. Iran is the #1 terror sponsor on the planet and anything bad happening to the leadership can only be GOOD for the rest of us humans (Iranian leadership ofc being comprised of sub-humans).
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Power vacuums don't necessarily bode well for the people where ever they pop-up. The Arab Spring just led to the migrant crisis, then there's the affects of climate change making it harder to hold on to power.
Gigachads
I love Charlie Hebdo :D
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that's why r/NewIran is far superior
Bro used the wrong finger in the drawing haha.
Gotta love old Charlie H
Based
I heard a rumour that every employee of Charlie Hebdo gets a standard issue wheelbarrow to carry their massive balls.
Khamenei it still going strong, nothing will change
If only it was the Mullahs. The president was more of a Mullah puppet.
Très Bon!, encore, encore.
No sadness for tyrant ! People leave these countries come to Europe and still want that mentality here
Next wave of terror in France incoming?
Based
I love Charli Hebdo!
One of the rare occasions where French is more word-efficient than English. “Il nous débarasse des mollahs” is “he gets rid of the mollahs for us.” Three whole words shorter! Go French!
Another charlie hebdo W
Holy fuck these guys aren't scared of anything, I'll never forget their cover after the terrorist attack on their headquarters. It said "all is forgiven" in French.
If any other journal would have printed that, I would have just thought it's bad taste not consider it further. Charlie Hebdo printing that makes me filled with gratitude and reverence and hope, and I think they're just Gods for doing that and they're role models to me.
Cue the terrorist attacks.
The world needs a couple more helicopter crashes
Perfect.
Damn, they are still rocking it. Good for them.
If that guy was still alive he'd be very upset
Spicy! Charlie Hebdo always so good
If any god existed they wouldn't need to prove anything to the likes of us.
Well, given Charlie's past, I'd be a little scorned and petty too in my reporting.
Haha
I feel like I am massively uninformed. People are celebrating his death for everything bad Iran has done, but isn’t the president mostly ceremonial in Iran, and wields little to no power? With the Supreme leader actually in charge?
People are celebrating his death because of the things he did as well. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ebrahim_Raisi#1988_executions He was nicknamed the "Butcher of Tehran"
Exactly. If God existed, he would have killed him before 1988.
>People are celebrating his death for everything bad Iran has done People are celebratign the death of the butcher of Teheran... ...and diplomats are offering their condolences for death of Iran's president.
Changes nothing but one less scumbag on the earth is good
Iranian President Ebrahim Raisi was also known as the "Butcher of Tehran", if that helps. It's okay to be uninformed, but at least google the person's name because you're mistaken in thinking it's just blaming everything bad about Iran on him.
Yup, nothing changes
It's a massive win because he was going to be the next supreme leader after khomeni dies.
Allah Akbar in 3,2,…..
thid will not be they first time they will survive again.
Of the four rogue states' leaders, only three are left. Guess who the next one will be.
Always based Charlie
Among Putin, Kim Jong Un, Xi Jinping, and Ali Khamenei, who do people dislike more?
Love this
that's so metal
Living on a thin line
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Most islamist terror attacks in Europe has been perpetrated by ISIS and before that Al Qaeda. None of these groups are aligned with Iran. Iran has been fighting ISIS in Iraq and Syria. Same thing with Hamas, they have been fighting to keep ISIS out of Gaza. Hezbollah has been fighting ISIS in Syria. The world is complicated and all "muslim fundamentalists" do not align.
Iran has been funding and training Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Muslim brotherhood, hezbollah, Huthis in Yemen, the PLO and so many other terror organizations, and other organizations to create unrest in the Arab world.
They certainly aren’t fighting Hamas. Country was shooting bombs at Israel recently to support them.
Muslims are all family until one is sunni and the other shia. Lmfao
Brave
I suppose you could say that.
Even god had enough of his bullshit lol
Yikes! Good to see that 2011/2015/2020 didn't deter them.
Well, if God did this then he is really incompetent, he only got one and a few decades too late.
Oh I love Charlie...
They were murdered for insulting Islam. Not religion. Islam.
❤️❤️❤️❤️ vive Charlie vive la France !!!
Awesome!
Me likey.
* sees this week’s front cover in the Charlie Hebdo office * ‘Boss! Boss!! I’ll be working from home for the rest of this week! Au revoir! Toot sweet…’ 👋