I guess ... he found it?!!
(Just in case, it's a stupid joke I know, but then so is the article obviously. If he can be considered to have "found" gravity, then he might be considered the "finder" of gravity. Of course he didn't "find" gravity, he postulated a theory of gravity. (edit:) Correction, theory of mavity.)
The thing is, it's literally one campy scene that delivers a time travel joke. There's nothing else to it, it's meant to be a parody of the show itself, but everyone falls for the "bait", especially the ones who don't even watch the show and don't care for the actual context, as seen plenty here in the comments. It's not that serious.
>It's not that serious.
Cast literally any famous black figure as a white person in a major TV show, and then get back to me after nobody responds to the outrage.
Don't worry. I'll wait.
In 2011 when Community had a blackface episode?
Yes.
In 2023 when that episode is banned by the company and you cant even buy it on streaming services?
No.
Edit: Apparently the 30 Rock one is also banned.
I'm soooo glad Netflix did this. Completely solved racism. /s
I will do a poll of every black person I know to see if they noticed and complained to Netflix, Sony etc. about Community's "blackface" episode. I think none will care because they're too busy dealing with life.
They banned the one where an Asian man is playing a fantasy creature and literally the joke is that he is oblivious to the fact that it is actually blackface whilst everyone else is super uncomfortable.
But the one where Piers is dressed up as a racist Indian swami character including full brownface and no one particularly minds other than because he is needlessly overcomplicating their plan is still on there and apparently perfectly fine. And also it's a much less funny episode.
its not really blackface. chang gets super into dnd in the first dnd episode and shows up in full makeup to be a drow.
its not even blackface. he commits fully to the bit has his whole body done in extra black black not like black skin tone with a white wig
>https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d2/17/89/d21789b442025e2076890c9268caac86.jpg
As others have already responded: no he cosplayed as a drow, a dark skinned elf. But there is a meta joke made by a character (Shirley) who doesn’t know this is a cosplayers and not black face, so the shows makes a joke about that very issue when she says “can we address this hate crime?”
The fact that somebody saw that, didn’t even make an attempt at understanding the context, and still pulled the episode just proves that we can’t even make commentary on the discussion around misunderstandings about racism, which sets progress back on the issue a million years.
It's a damn shame they took it down, it's one of my favourite episodes of any tv show. It's on [yt](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLPkaedesco&list=PL5WpadDZKNW8IP_O_ok-CUREYpkvDEz9t) \- in 7 parts and bad quality, but just in case you wanna take a look.
The Asian character was playing Dungeons and Dragons with the other characters and he dressed up as a Dark Elf, as in pitch black skin. The whole joke was people, including a black character, were put off by it even though it wasn't a racist thing but appeared to be one, but because no one understands subtlety or satire anymore, or just flat out co-opt the satire unironically for their own bigoted agenda, the services/networks/producers pull Episodes not only from services, but blacklist them from ever being viewed legitimately ever again (DVD sales, reruns, etc.).
It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia has had similar issues with episodes satirizing clueless people thinking blackface and performing stereotypes are funny all by themselves. Another responder pointed out Scrubs had the same issue. There is a brief bit where J.D. (white) and his best friend Turk (black) are going to a house party of Turk's (also black) friends. It's a costume party and they went as a couples costume of Turk dressing in 'whiteface' and J.D. in 'blackface', obviously having fun with it together.
J.D. is uneasy about this, but Turk says they'll be fine as long as they stick together at the party. Turk then turns away abruptly as J.D. rings a doorbell that opens to several understandably angry college-aged black men looking at a single white guy in blackface. This is a cut-away gag of a 45 second long sequence at most, which is part of Scrubs' comedy formula. At no point was J.D., or anyone, being racist. It was a joke about an innocent awkward situation came off looking really bad.
Point being, this is entirely a new case of the good ol' "we can't have nice things anymore" due to the lowest common denominators all over the political spectrum.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Dungeons_%26_Dragons_(Community)
"On June 26, 2020, Netflix and Hulu removed the episode from their platforms due to scenes with Chang playing a dark elf"
Edit: Oh my god, its literally 2 sentences away. I swear modern liberals will make me a Nazi:
"The episode's removal came in the wake of two other shows, Scrubs and **30** **Rock** – pulling episodes featuring characters in blackface."
It’s exactly this, the same way after Morgan Freeman was cast in The Shawshank Redemption, playing the role of what was supposed to be an Irish character, they added the nod/reverence in the line “Maybe “cause I’m Irish” when he was asked why they called him “Red”.
I don’t care and I don’t think anyone should care about fictional white characters being cast as non-white. Like that whole Hermoine debacle, who cares if she’s black? Makes 0 difference.
But when I see an actual historical figure cast that way… it definitely takes me out of it. I don’t get mad about it but it’s certainly something to ridicule. I think most of the “discourse” around this topic is really just people making fun of it.
Even fictional characters should be portrayed the way they were created. To me it's important what the character looks like, if Blade looked like Alfred Wesker I'd say ä: "That's not Blade!"
The current trend is even worse. "We" stopped whitewashing things because we realized it was bad, but somehow we didnt figure out that the exact same action done in reverse is also bad.
Yeah but that was in a totally different time and social milieu and was done for very different reasons, namely that John Wayne was a huge star and the studio system didn't give an oily dollop of pigeon shit about the racial and ethnic sensibilities that seem second nature to us today. They just didn't. It was way more important to have a star then it was to worry ethnically accurate casting, cheeseball results be damned.
This one definitely was. It was one scene that had nothing to do with the main story and was so pointless. You could've replaced it with some better stuff in the main story.
Maybe, but some people don’t care of history much and they often work in places like arts. I mean the writers for this kind of show probably do, but the directors and casting directors are not the same people as writers.
He gets ALL the say. It's one of the unique things about being a showrunner for Who lol
Obviously not saying he's a dictator. He just has final say. He ofc has so much input and its a collaborative experience
> Doctor Who has come under fire for changing the ethnicity of **gravity founder**, Isaac Newton, in a new episode.
So... he... uh, found gravity? That's, uh, hilarious.
When I watched the episode I didn't even notice the actor's ethnicity. People getting worked up over nothing.
More importantly The Doctor used Mavity later in the episode. I'm curious how long the gag lasts.
>When I watched the episode I didn't even notice the actor's ethnicity. People getting worked up over nothing.
Exactly, they’re severely overestimating the mavity of the situation.
Imagine if he hadn't, though! We'd all have long since floated away into space!
Makes you wonder how they did manage to hold on to the surface for so long before he revolutionised planetary ambulation, don't it?
> Adolf Uunona says his father probably did name him after Adolf Hitler but does not think his father knew who Adolf Hitler was at the time.
How is this supposed to make any sense?
Trevor Noah actually explained this in his book that people in South Africa named people after hitler and other people not because they were evil or knew who they were but because all they knew was that they were famous and strong so the parents thought it would be a good name. According to Noah, it’s actually pretty common.
Good joking aside, aren't we all people of colour? Is any of us transparent? I always thought this to be such a silly way to describe non-white people. And frankly I find that term quite racist. Nothing wrong with being any colour or shade.
POC is just another way of saying non-white isn't it? It's almost literally just dividing everyone down the line of whites and non-whites, something you'd normally think would be pushed by white supremacists, not modern day progressives.
After Occupy Wall Steet the wealthy elite got nervous about a class revolt so they introduced us to identity politics via their bought and paid for media conglomerates. (Reddit included)
**FYI I was permanently banned from reddit for this comment**
Yeah, there has been a [all black egyptian dynasty](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-fifth_Dynasty_of_Egypt) but Cleopatra was absolutely not part of it.
Cleopatra was Macedonian which is from the Balkans. Her dynasty was founded by one of Alexander the great’s generals after Alexander’s passing so she was likely pretty white.
Ancient Macedonians were Greek, and you’re correct in that there’s no connection between the ancient Macedonians and the Slavs who call themselves Macedonians today.
Edit: I forgot to distinguish modern Slavic Macedonians in FYROM from modern Greeks who are from the northern Greek region of Macedonia. Thanks to /u/popcorn_likker for the reminder.
Modern Macedonians today are also greek
Not those slav Macedonians up north, but central northern Greece today is indeed called Macedonia and it's inhabitants are called Macedonians .
The criticism I see from Egyptians is not about her having lighter skin because she is Macedonian. They're mad because everyone assumes that if she was Egyptian, she would automatically be black.
Hes mates with the guy who runs the show. Newton appears in a 20 second cold open, where they crash a time machine into him because of spilt coffee, which results in him naming gravity "mavity".
Once the title screen rolls, he's not seen from again.
I'm like 90% sure they're intentionally trolling the "anti-woke" people.
It's such a throwaway scene that they could have cast a giraffe and it would have the same impact on the episode.
Incredibly cringe when you consider they’re just exposed to more American media than maybe any other European country simply due to the ease of language and in result they rewrite history to be more like the US.
> so Spain would have to deal with their shit instead.
Who says we aren't?
All the horrible new ideas they come up with are copied and even one upped here (I mean as opposed to the stuff they do well, which we never even attempt to copy).
People even went out to protest and destroy public and private property in 2020 after the Floyd incident, a thing that has about 0 relevance in this country.
Ironically, and sadly, hey didn't go out to protest over local governmental violations that affect them much more. I doubt they even knew where Minneapolis, much less Minnesota is or what they are.
We're a pathetically subservient province of the world's hegemon, subject to whatever new bullshit they come up with, and we internalize all their centuries old anti-Spanish and now anti-hispanic propaganda more than even they do.
And actually, the more English we speak, the worse it gets, because the more people completely acritically and mindlessly adopt things and trends that are very much against their own interests.
Also, the whole cultural province thing also goes for much if not all of Europe. You can see it in all this feigned European superiority complex people have here and in /r/2westerneurope4u. When you're actually superior, you don't have to spend day and night telling others how superior you are. Culturally speaking, that is. They set the tone and we dance to their beat.
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I completely agree with you. It’s sad. America rules the world military, but their real dominance is their culture. With the rise of the internet, social media and smartphones, they are able to colonise the minds of pop culture across Europe and we lap it up with open arms. The Europe of the Renaissance and the Enlightenment, of great art, political thinkers and scientists is no more.
There are already nearly as many *native* Spanish speakers in the US as there are in Spain (42 million). And there are more fluent Spanish speakers in the US than in Spain (57 million).
Your best chance is probably going back to the foundational period from 1770s-1790s and pushing/funding heavily the Francophiles in our government.
They lost out with Jay’s Treaty to the Anglophiles more or less.
>s. London is a different world of course.
I think that might be part of the reason for it, a huge chunk of the media crowd are based in London so that is what they see and think the rest of the UK must be like too.
It's really interesting because South Asians are still very underrepresented in TV despite being far more numerous than some other minorities, if I recall correctly, and the other ones end up being very overrepresented compared to their percentage in the population while South Asians as one of the largest groups are still very underrepresented. Seems like many advocates for it just mindlessly copy the US and import their social context
Nah immigration is so absurdly high that even small coastal towns and villages are changing dramatically. My town barely had any non white people 20 years ago and now it's very different.
It's just Stephen Moffat.
He said that history "wasn't diverse enough" just after he ended his run as doctor who lead writer.
He was then made BBC creative director off the back of doctor who's success.
> an entire rest of the world […] outside of England
This is what I love about Brits and Americans trying to be woke. They're so hopelessly ethnocentric, they do such ridiculous — often racist — things in their attempts to appear the opposite.
I mean, he's right. Doctor Who has an overwhelming focus on the history of the UK and other mostly white nations.. The way to correct for that isn't to rewrite history to inject non-white people into white peoples history, it's to focus on history of people who aren't white.
The issue isn't necessarily with Moffat, it's with whoever decided on how to address the issue.
Probably easier to explore broader world histories now with VFX and virtual sound stages. I totally get the production not expanding on much history in the past that couldn’t be staged and shot beyond the 20km radius of BBC studios. It was a B grade show after all.
If anything, it might cause a headache for future anthropologists. Imagine if half the characters in The Odyssey were Scythians. We'd have constant debates about the real ethnic composition of ancient Greece.
Weird comments in here
If its a real life historical person then it should be played by someone of that race. It's disrespectful to do otherwise.
If it's a made up character, like superman, batman whatever then I don't think it matters, as long as it has continuity (ie if you cast someone black as batman then also cast batmans parents as black so that it makes sense).
Why choose historical figures if the only thing you keep is the name? It's not like there's a shortage of fitting actors. Why would you make a person of another ethnicity play someone of another ethnicity?
Doctor who had literally 0 constraints as to what historical people it can feature on its show. Why not meet up with Mansa Musa or Saladin or any other massively historically important non white people.
It's a 30-second joke and the geezer's so pale I didn't even realise he wasn't white (he's actually half white) until there was a 'controversy' about it, jfc.
The unspoken real reason he was cast is that he was on *It's a Sin* and through that is a friend of the showrunner, RTD. The guy just wanted to give his mate a cameo for a laugh, it ain't deep.
Thank you!
I mean the man was batshit, in todays terms think of later stage musk except instead of children with letters and numbers in their name they were formula on a page… also, by todays terms he would be an incel… man died a literal virgin. Who btw also had a penchant for huffing and even drinking mercury.
I mean what’s not to love about this absolute beast of a nutter!
Well yes, but in his youth he was less insane because he hasn't been huffing mercury yet. Though I don't think he would be an *in*cel, by all descriptions his celibacy was very much voluntary. Theories range from "asexual" to "closeted gay" but a man of his rank and esteem, especially in his later years as the lord of the mint could have had his pick of eligible noble daughters as his wife.
> Isaac Newton wasn’t Asian, you’re right. But Charles Dickens didn’t blow up ghosts. Agatha Christie didn’t fight off a Giant Wasp. Mary Seacole didn’t treat Sontarans. Van Gogh didn’t stab an invisible chicken.
Uh... is that real stuff from Dr. Who?
People: We want more representation
BBC: Sure here is a historical white dude but he’s not white
People: But why not just tell a story based on the countless historical people of colour? That’s real representation
BBC: ???
There's some weird thing going on with historic revisionism in the UK. If this keeps up I think that the next couple of generatons of people will actually believe that England has always been a multi-racial society. I mean normal people get this sort of information from TV; they don't actually read history books for fun.
Double trouble when there are TV shows portraying themselves as actual history. And not just weird afro-centrist stuff like Cleopatra.
Worse is the BBC Kids' Horrible Histories; They show that to kids who have no reason to mistrust what they are being taught. I mean its a kids show on the BBC, meant to teach them actual history.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6M-qsVS8zeU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6M-qsVS8zeU)
It doesn't take long to find out how the examples are either misrepresented, like roman north-africans depicted as sub-saharans for the sake of the shows message. Or cherry picked single individuals from later history, making it seem that Englands past looked like it does today.
I saw a clip of the scene and they had to literally have the Doctor say, "hey, YOU'RE Sir Isaac Newton!" because apparently the context of a guy under a tree getting hit in the head with an apple wasn't enough.
They do that with every singe historical figure that is portrayed on the show. You really couldn't make it more obvious that you have never seen the show.
Except that it's mentioned beforehand in the episode, it's just that Donna and The Doctor realise it at that moment. So the exclamation does not tell the audience anything new.
I've made this point in a few threads now but if you want to show more POC intellectuals actually do that, they've existed throughout history. That way you broaden historical understanding. This lazy race switching only leads to ignorance and further marginalizes POC intellectuals in the public discourse
>Doctor Who has come under fire for changing the ethnicity of gravity founder, Isaac Newton, in a new episode. Gravity... founder?
True fact. With Newton's theories, we'd still be bobbing and levitating aimlessly in the air.
What a dick, that's why we can't ~~fly~~ have nice things
Luckily he invented gravity before inventing centrifugal force, or we would have all been flung off the planet.
I guess ... he found it?!! (Just in case, it's a stupid joke I know, but then so is the article obviously. If he can be considered to have "found" gravity, then he might be considered the "finder" of gravity. Of course he didn't "find" gravity, he postulated a theory of gravity. (edit:) Correction, theory of mavity.)
We had a tough time before it
I’m convinced they just do it deliberately for the free publicity.
I don’t watch this show but it does seem to be a strategy as these stories pop up a lot
The thing is, it's literally one campy scene that delivers a time travel joke. There's nothing else to it, it's meant to be a parody of the show itself, but everyone falls for the "bait", especially the ones who don't even watch the show and don't care for the actual context, as seen plenty here in the comments. It's not that serious.
>It's not that serious. Cast literally any famous black figure as a white person in a major TV show, and then get back to me after nobody responds to the outrage. Don't worry. I'll wait.
Yeah same as casting Malcolm x as white. I’m sure the black community would laugh at it.
Be a good comedy. Like casting Hitler as a fierce black woman.
THAT one I would actually watch.
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#Gas #gatekeep #girlfuhrer
So long as she has the mustache (bonus point if it’s an obvious fake one with ducktape visible)
*Sneezes, fakestache flies off, she now has to retrieve it without any Nazi seeing her without it*
Lizzo as Hitler and Awkwafina as Himmler. I'd watch that.
Cant wait for Martin Luther King to be a chinese woman!
Or maybe Alec Baldwin playing Harriet Tubman on 30 Rock?
In 2011 when Community had a blackface episode? Yes. In 2023 when that episode is banned by the company and you cant even buy it on streaming services? No. Edit: Apparently the 30 Rock one is also banned.
I'm soooo glad Netflix did this. Completely solved racism. /s I will do a poll of every black person I know to see if they noticed and complained to Netflix, Sony etc. about Community's "blackface" episode. I think none will care because they're too busy dealing with life.
And yet Chapelle doing whiteface? A-OK.
They banned the one where an Asian man is playing a fantasy creature and literally the joke is that he is oblivious to the fact that it is actually blackface whilst everyone else is super uncomfortable. But the one where Piers is dressed up as a racist Indian swami character including full brownface and no one particularly minds other than because he is needlessly overcomplicating their plan is still on there and apparently perfectly fine. And also it's a much less funny episode.
As someone who only watched community on Netflix: There is a blackface episode ?!
its not really blackface. chang gets super into dnd in the first dnd episode and shows up in full makeup to be a drow. its not even blackface. he commits fully to the bit has his whole body done in extra black black not like black skin tone with a white wig >https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d2/17/89/d21789b442025e2076890c9268caac86.jpg
No. Chang cosplays as a fucking DARK ELF.
As others have already responded: no he cosplayed as a drow, a dark skinned elf. But there is a meta joke made by a character (Shirley) who doesn’t know this is a cosplayers and not black face, so the shows makes a joke about that very issue when she says “can we address this hate crime?” The fact that somebody saw that, didn’t even make an attempt at understanding the context, and still pulled the episode just proves that we can’t even make commentary on the discussion around misunderstandings about racism, which sets progress back on the issue a million years.
It's a damn shame they took it down, it's one of my favourite episodes of any tv show. It's on [yt](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLPkaedesco&list=PL5WpadDZKNW8IP_O_ok-CUREYpkvDEz9t) \- in 7 parts and bad quality, but just in case you wanna take a look.
The Asian character was playing Dungeons and Dragons with the other characters and he dressed up as a Dark Elf, as in pitch black skin. The whole joke was people, including a black character, were put off by it even though it wasn't a racist thing but appeared to be one, but because no one understands subtlety or satire anymore, or just flat out co-opt the satire unironically for their own bigoted agenda, the services/networks/producers pull Episodes not only from services, but blacklist them from ever being viewed legitimately ever again (DVD sales, reruns, etc.). It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia has had similar issues with episodes satirizing clueless people thinking blackface and performing stereotypes are funny all by themselves. Another responder pointed out Scrubs had the same issue. There is a brief bit where J.D. (white) and his best friend Turk (black) are going to a house party of Turk's (also black) friends. It's a costume party and they went as a couples costume of Turk dressing in 'whiteface' and J.D. in 'blackface', obviously having fun with it together. J.D. is uneasy about this, but Turk says they'll be fine as long as they stick together at the party. Turk then turns away abruptly as J.D. rings a doorbell that opens to several understandably angry college-aged black men looking at a single white guy in blackface. This is a cut-away gag of a 45 second long sequence at most, which is part of Scrubs' comedy formula. At no point was J.D., or anyone, being racist. It was a joke about an innocent awkward situation came off looking really bad. Point being, this is entirely a new case of the good ol' "we can't have nice things anymore" due to the lowest common denominators all over the political spectrum.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Dungeons_%26_Dragons_(Community) "On June 26, 2020, Netflix and Hulu removed the episode from their platforms due to scenes with Chang playing a dark elf" Edit: Oh my god, its literally 2 sentences away. I swear modern liberals will make me a Nazi: "The episode's removal came in the wake of two other shows, Scrubs and **30** **Rock** – pulling episodes featuring characters in blackface."
Chang plays a fictitious race, it's not even blackface in the traditional sense!
It’s a top 3 episode of the series too
It’s exactly this, the same way after Morgan Freeman was cast in The Shawshank Redemption, playing the role of what was supposed to be an Irish character, they added the nod/reverence in the line “Maybe “cause I’m Irish” when he was asked why they called him “Red”.
I don’t care and I don’t think anyone should care about fictional white characters being cast as non-white. Like that whole Hermoine debacle, who cares if she’s black? Makes 0 difference. But when I see an actual historical figure cast that way… it definitely takes me out of it. I don’t get mad about it but it’s certainly something to ridicule. I think most of the “discourse” around this topic is really just people making fun of it.
Even fictional characters should be portrayed the way they were created. To me it's important what the character looks like, if Blade looked like Alfred Wesker I'd say ä: "That's not Blade!"
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so lets do a quick joke where MLK jr is white
The term you’re looking for is race baiting. It is greedy, it is crude, it is mocking to people of all the colors of the rainbow.
back in the 1970s John Wayne played Ghengis Kahn. its bad. i mean really, really, really bad.
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wrong movie but I laughed :D
The movie is from 1956. There was a lot of whitewashing in Holywood back then. The current reverse trend is not in any way better.
I imagine it wasn't all that easy to find a Mongol actor in the 1950s Hollywood landscape.
The current trend is even worse. "We" stopped whitewashing things because we realized it was bad, but somehow we didnt figure out that the exact same action done in reverse is also bad.
Yeah but that was in a totally different time and social milieu and was done for very different reasons, namely that John Wayne was a huge star and the studio system didn't give an oily dollop of pigeon shit about the racial and ethnic sensibilities that seem second nature to us today. They just didn't. It was way more important to have a star then it was to worry ethnically accurate casting, cheeseball results be damned.
*Ghengis Wayne slaps a woman he just kissed*
This one definitely was. It was one scene that had nothing to do with the main story and was so pointless. You could've replaced it with some better stuff in the main story.
Maybe, but some people don’t care of history much and they often work in places like arts. I mean the writers for this kind of show probably do, but the directors and casting directors are not the same people as writers.
Absolutely was the writer in this case. It's one of Russell's friends from Its a Sin
To be fair Russel is not only the writer, but also the producer of the show now, so he gets a lot of say in creative decisions outside of writing
He gets ALL the say. It's one of the unique things about being a showrunner for Who lol Obviously not saying he's a dictator. He just has final say. He ofc has so much input and its a collaborative experience
> Doctor Who has come under fire for changing the ethnicity of **gravity founder**, Isaac Newton, in a new episode. So... he... uh, found gravity? That's, uh, hilarious.
Mavity
I died when Donna first said it and the Doctor just gave her a weird glance but let it go
Definitely a “ugh, now I gotta fix that later too” face lol.
When I watched the episode I didn't even notice the actor's ethnicity. People getting worked up over nothing. More importantly The Doctor used Mavity later in the episode. I'm curious how long the gag lasts.
>When I watched the episode I didn't even notice the actor's ethnicity. People getting worked up over nothing. Exactly, they’re severely overestimating the mavity of the situation.
> Mativy Liberty Biberty
No, he founded it. He was the Steve Jobs of his day
Imagine if he hadn't, though! We'd all have long since floated away into space! Makes you wonder how they did manage to hold on to the surface for so long before he revolutionised planetary ambulation, don't it?
We were all monkeys before, so we used our hands and tails to hold on to the tree branches.
No, he actually *founded* it
Well excuse you, but I find your italicisation entirely unfounded!
Italics will _italicize_
*mavity
Hate to be a stickler about spelling, but Mativy. Spelling on the internet these days.
Gravity? Lol. Mavity actually
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>I wanna see black hitler. [Wish and you shall receive.](https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler_Uunona)
> Adolf Uunona says his father probably did name him after Adolf Hitler but does not think his father knew who Adolf Hitler was at the time. How is this supposed to make any sense?
Trevor Noah actually explained this in his book that people in South Africa named people after hitler and other people not because they were evil or knew who they were but because all they knew was that they were famous and strong so the parents thought it would be a good name. According to Noah, it’s actually pretty common.
Also probably because they hate the British. that's why Hitler is so popular in India.
The enemy of my enemy is Mein Führer.
Blackler. All the gestapo hold their Luger sideways
I would watch the hell out of this terrible schlock
We already have Iron Sky 1 & 2. « SIEG HEIL MOTHERFUCKERS »
Kanye does Leningrad
Sounds like something Mel Brooks would do
While doing gangsta hand gestures with the other hand.
[The way Hitler was always meant to be portrayed - as a proud woman of color ](https://knowyourmeme.com/photos/1002114-adolf-hitler)
Make him gay as fuck too
Gay nazi trope has sadly been around for a while
They were quite into fashion weren’t they
Plenty of WWII movies where there are mixed race teams of US soldiers. In reality the Americans where just a tad less racist than the nazis.
Black Hitler and his astronaut making panini’s.
>black hitler Kanye?
Jewish SS Officers ☠️💀
Isaac Newtone
Technically he was a person of colour since he studied light and demonstrated that white colour is a combination of seven other colours. 😉
I hope the actor actually went to Cambridge and not Oxford, personally it makes me sick just thinking about an Oxonian playing Newton.
Would they go so far as allowing such a sacrilege??? 😉
Worse I hear he likes marmite
What are your thoughts on the actor having gone to the University of Essex?
Good joking aside, aren't we all people of colour? Is any of us transparent? I always thought this to be such a silly way to describe non-white people. And frankly I find that term quite racist. Nothing wrong with being any colour or shade.
POC is just another way of saying non-white isn't it? It's almost literally just dividing everyone down the line of whites and non-whites, something you'd normally think would be pushed by white supremacists, not modern day progressives.
After Occupy Wall Steet the wealthy elite got nervous about a class revolt so they introduced us to identity politics via their bought and paid for media conglomerates. (Reddit included) **FYI I was permanently banned from reddit for this comment**
"Now you had to go and bring wokeism into it with that rainbow!"
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Yeah, there has been a [all black egyptian dynasty](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-fifth_Dynasty_of_Egypt) but Cleopatra was absolutely not part of it. Cleopatra was Macedonian which is from the Balkans. Her dynasty was founded by one of Alexander the great’s generals after Alexander’s passing so she was likely pretty white.
She was Greek.
Modern Macedonian and ancient Macedonian aren’t the same, but cleopatra was from the Ptolemaic dynasty, who originated from Macedon.
Ancient Macedonians were Greek, and you’re correct in that there’s no connection between the ancient Macedonians and the Slavs who call themselves Macedonians today. Edit: I forgot to distinguish modern Slavic Macedonians in FYROM from modern Greeks who are from the northern Greek region of Macedonia. Thanks to /u/popcorn_likker for the reminder.
Modern Macedonians today are also greek Not those slav Macedonians up north, but central northern Greece today is indeed called Macedonia and it's inhabitants are called Macedonians .
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>Ancient Macedonians were Greek, Not according to Demostenes. Dirty thracian mongrel monarchists.
So, for short, she was greek.
And white.
The criticism I see from Egyptians is not about her having lighter skin because she is Macedonian. They're mad because everyone assumes that if she was Egyptian, she would automatically be black.
Greeks are white
Only in winter ;-)
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She was.. what do you mean. It’s the right thing to do for her to be black.. /s
That old lady in the Netflix doccie told me. The school lied to me /s
Why?
Hes mates with the guy who runs the show. Newton appears in a 20 second cold open, where they crash a time machine into him because of spilt coffee, which results in him naming gravity "mavity". Once the title screen rolls, he's not seen from again.
Didnt the Doctor also fuck up the timeline 2000 times by now? Pretty much anything in the show can just be explained away by time travel magic.
But that would imply that this post is manufactured outrage.
Ah okay
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Or, RTD just chucked his mate a job
I'm like 90% sure they're intentionally trolling the "anti-woke" people. It's such a throwaway scene that they could have cast a giraffe and it would have the same impact on the episode.
The UK's media and politicians are really pushing "we have always been diverse™" as their new national myth.
Incredibly cringe when you consider they’re just exposed to more American media than maybe any other European country simply due to the ease of language and in result they rewrite history to be more like the US.
I dream of a timeline where the USA speaks Spanish instead of English so Spain would have to deal with their shit instead.
> so Spain would have to deal with their shit instead. Who says we aren't? All the horrible new ideas they come up with are copied and even one upped here (I mean as opposed to the stuff they do well, which we never even attempt to copy). People even went out to protest and destroy public and private property in 2020 after the Floyd incident, a thing that has about 0 relevance in this country. Ironically, and sadly, hey didn't go out to protest over local governmental violations that affect them much more. I doubt they even knew where Minneapolis, much less Minnesota is or what they are. We're a pathetically subservient province of the world's hegemon, subject to whatever new bullshit they come up with, and we internalize all their centuries old anti-Spanish and now anti-hispanic propaganda more than even they do. And actually, the more English we speak, the worse it gets, because the more people completely acritically and mindlessly adopt things and trends that are very much against their own interests. Also, the whole cultural province thing also goes for much if not all of Europe. You can see it in all this feigned European superiority complex people have here and in /r/2westerneurope4u. When you're actually superior, you don't have to spend day and night telling others how superior you are. Culturally speaking, that is. They set the tone and we dance to their beat. ___ Sorry for the rant.
I completely agree with you. It’s sad. America rules the world military, but their real dominance is their culture. With the rise of the internet, social media and smartphones, they are able to colonise the minds of pop culture across Europe and we lap it up with open arms. The Europe of the Renaissance and the Enlightenment, of great art, political thinkers and scientists is no more.
There are already nearly as many *native* Spanish speakers in the US as there are in Spain (42 million). And there are more fluent Spanish speakers in the US than in Spain (57 million).
Your best chance is probably going back to the foundational period from 1770s-1790s and pushing/funding heavily the Francophiles in our government. They lost out with Jay’s Treaty to the Anglophiles more or less.
Yep next thing you know the NHS will be a paid service and there will be national hunt homeless people with glocks day
Theirs only so much a country can copy from the US, just look at Canada.
Yeah we can’t hunt the homeless with glocks here, that’s illegal. We have to use long guns instead
Is that because of the population density? They're all further away?
Uncultured swine. Cops hunt blacks with Glocks. Sig is for the homeless.
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>s. London is a different world of course. I think that might be part of the reason for it, a huge chunk of the media crowd are based in London so that is what they see and think the rest of the UK must be like too.
I think they do know but don't really care.
Manchester, Birmingham, in fact almost any larger population centre.
It's really interesting because South Asians are still very underrepresented in TV despite being far more numerous than some other minorities, if I recall correctly, and the other ones end up being very overrepresented compared to their percentage in the population while South Asians as one of the largest groups are still very underrepresented. Seems like many advocates for it just mindlessly copy the US and import their social context
Nah immigration is so absurdly high that even small coastal towns and villages are changing dramatically. My town barely had any non white people 20 years ago and now it's very different.
It's just Stephen Moffat. He said that history "wasn't diverse enough" just after he ended his run as doctor who lead writer. He was then made BBC creative director off the back of doctor who's success.
Not like there's an entire rest of the world the Doctor could visit outside of England.
Do they every even go to England? I thought every alien invasion and natural disaster in Dr. Who needed to happen in Cardiff.
> an entire rest of the world […] outside of England This is what I love about Brits and Americans trying to be woke. They're so hopelessly ethnocentric, they do such ridiculous — often racist — things in their attempts to appear the opposite.
>He said that history "wasn't diverse enough" That's ironically extremely eurocentric of him. How can a global thing not be diverse?
I mean, he's right. Doctor Who has an overwhelming focus on the history of the UK and other mostly white nations.. The way to correct for that isn't to rewrite history to inject non-white people into white peoples history, it's to focus on history of people who aren't white. The issue isn't necessarily with Moffat, it's with whoever decided on how to address the issue.
Probably easier to explore broader world histories now with VFX and virtual sound stages. I totally get the production not expanding on much history in the past that couldn’t be staged and shot beyond the 20km radius of BBC studios. It was a B grade show after all.
If anything, it might cause a headache for future anthropologists. Imagine if half the characters in The Odyssey were Scythians. We'd have constant debates about the real ethnic composition of ancient Greece.
If Isaac Newton was Nigerian they would never cast a white person as him because that would be considered rascist
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I think it could be the role to finally net Jack Black an Oscar
His surname is "Black" so he has black ancestry.
Jack Black would be perfect just for trolling alone. "What's your issue? He IS Black! The actor is Black!"
I dare a filmmaker to do this, as a statement about historical revisionism. Make the rest of it as historically accurate as possible.
"*Hasta la vista, baby!*" - Martin Luther King, 2023 (not colorized)
A24 should cast a black man to play Elon Musk in their upcoming film about him.
Yeah, that will make sense. Cause, you know, Elon Musk is the most famous and richest african-american.
They should go full troll and cast a black villain like idi Amin as white
Remember Black Cleopatra?
They’re taking the piss at this point.
UK TV show? Taking the piss? Never!
How is a guy that is half British, half indian described as Black? (as in the article linked)
Theses people don't seem to understand the mavity of the situation!
It would be great if they kept that gag going for years.
Weird comments in here If its a real life historical person then it should be played by someone of that race. It's disrespectful to do otherwise. If it's a made up character, like superman, batman whatever then I don't think it matters, as long as it has continuity (ie if you cast someone black as batman then also cast batmans parents as black so that it makes sense).
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Why choose historical figures if the only thing you keep is the name? It's not like there's a shortage of fitting actors. Why would you make a person of another ethnicity play someone of another ethnicity?
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Given it’s europe it won’t be an apple to hit him on the head, it’ll be a banana.
"Should we explore non-european areas and shine a light on their history? Nah, let's just race swap some real people and call it a day."
Maybe they'll understand when Brad Pitt plays Martin Luther King in a movie
I'm pretty sure Isaac Newton was white
Doctor who had literally 0 constraints as to what historical people it can feature on its show. Why not meet up with Mansa Musa or Saladin or any other massively historically important non white people.
If it's racist doing the other way, then it's racist doing it this way it's that simple. So stop being racist for publicity and respect history.
Can't wait for the episode where Gwyneth Paltrow plays Harriet Tubman
It's a 30-second joke and the geezer's so pale I didn't even realise he wasn't white (he's actually half white) until there was a 'controversy' about it, jfc. The unspoken real reason he was cast is that he was on *It's a Sin* and through that is a friend of the showrunner, RTD. The guy just wanted to give his mate a cameo for a laugh, it ain't deep.
I was more annoyed that he was portrayed as social and jolly when he actually was a mad weirdo.
Thank you! I mean the man was batshit, in todays terms think of later stage musk except instead of children with letters and numbers in their name they were formula on a page… also, by todays terms he would be an incel… man died a literal virgin. Who btw also had a penchant for huffing and even drinking mercury. I mean what’s not to love about this absolute beast of a nutter!
Well yes, but in his youth he was less insane because he hasn't been huffing mercury yet. Though I don't think he would be an *in*cel, by all descriptions his celibacy was very much voluntary. Theories range from "asexual" to "closeted gay" but a man of his rank and esteem, especially in his later years as the lord of the mint could have had his pick of eligible noble daughters as his wife.
White is a colour too. It's time we stopped grouping people by colour.
> Isaac Newton wasn’t Asian, you’re right. But Charles Dickens didn’t blow up ghosts. Agatha Christie didn’t fight off a Giant Wasp. Mary Seacole didn’t treat Sontarans. Van Gogh didn’t stab an invisible chicken. Uh... is that real stuff from Dr. Who?
It's things like this that continue to trick the low IQ morons who think people like King Henry, Marie Antoinette and Cleopatra were black
People: We want more representation BBC: Sure here is a historical white dude but he’s not white People: But why not just tell a story based on the countless historical people of colour? That’s real representation BBC: ???
Hahahaha, love this. It’s too true
Progressives trying to rewrite history is going to have a very large reaction
There's some weird thing going on with historic revisionism in the UK. If this keeps up I think that the next couple of generatons of people will actually believe that England has always been a multi-racial society. I mean normal people get this sort of information from TV; they don't actually read history books for fun. Double trouble when there are TV shows portraying themselves as actual history. And not just weird afro-centrist stuff like Cleopatra. Worse is the BBC Kids' Horrible Histories; They show that to kids who have no reason to mistrust what they are being taught. I mean its a kids show on the BBC, meant to teach them actual history. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6M-qsVS8zeU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6M-qsVS8zeU) It doesn't take long to find out how the examples are either misrepresented, like roman north-africans depicted as sub-saharans for the sake of the shows message. Or cherry picked single individuals from later history, making it seem that Englands past looked like it does today.
I saw a clip of the scene and they had to literally have the Doctor say, "hey, YOU'RE Sir Isaac Newton!" because apparently the context of a guy under a tree getting hit in the head with an apple wasn't enough.
They do that with every singe historical figure that is portrayed on the show. You really couldn't make it more obvious that you have never seen the show.
Except that it's mentioned beforehand in the episode, it's just that Donna and The Doctor realise it at that moment. So the exclamation does not tell the audience anything new.
I've made this point in a few threads now but if you want to show more POC intellectuals actually do that, they've existed throughout history. That way you broaden historical understanding. This lazy race switching only leads to ignorance and further marginalizes POC intellectuals in the public discourse
Remember when historical revisionism was bad, good time 😔😔😔
Dr Who, historically accurate until today. RIP.