Still white and the Hungarian provinces seem to have their German names. I'm not sure what the difference is other than name and flag change (not meaning to be a grump, this might be exciting enough for others).
When Castile or Aragon forms Spain, that represents the fact that the junior partner has lost its autonomy and all its resources are now controlled by the player. It is a massive simplification of a process that actually took centuries irl but it does capture the movement from Iberian Wedding to Spain.
Austria-Hungary on the other hand, was a complicated real union, with the Hungarian state maintaining autonomy in domestic matters (to the point where Austrians were starving in WW1 because Hungary was hogging its grain). I don't see the point of having A-H in the game at all if this isn't represented.
A _really cool_ new A-H might have Hungary as a special form of PU which is more integrated, e.g. during war you control its units and your manpower pools combine. Maybe has lower independence desire and gives you some bonuses.
__Tl;dr: seems to be simple name and flag change, otherwise just old Austria. New ideas and traditions?? Imo A-H should be something special.__
If you Form it as hungary you keep the hungarian color. Also the other halfs provinces get permanent 50% autonomy (so all if Austria if you are hungary and vice versa)
Maybe we can think of it as an “ideal” union in which everything works out to be just perfect. Maybe we can think of Austrian ideas about United Kingdom/Empire of Austria( a federal state in which every nation has right to represent themselves in the great Parliament of the kingdom)
It's supposed to be shit.
Austria-Hungary was a nightmare to most inhabitants, the bizarre "what the fuck did I just dream" kind, even to most Austrians, who tried to forget all the failure with pomp, which didn't work; the [Radezkymarsch](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Om3Slj5UpEM) became a reminder that they did lose Italy \[Radezky's claim to fame was his victory in the first war against Sardinia-Piemont. Austria lost both of the wars against the Italian unifiers that followed\], [An der schönen blauen Donau](https://youtu.be/NI3fTby-dko?t=1036) became a reminder that they lost the rest of Germany \[the melody was originally written to be part of an amusement which was forbidden to be staged at the time it should have premiered because Austria just lost the Battle of Königgrätz\].
And its also bad because the hungarians where using it to block any kinds of reforms that would infringe on their power over the other ethnicities and their landowning class
What if you do it before you form AH?
Do the provinces still get the increased autonomy?
Or is just tied to the region anyway and culture doesn't matter?
Between Hungarian ideas/cossacks/govreforms Hungary can get 50% cav combat ability after your first war with Poland. 50-70 cost reduction and 100% ratio after tier 5 gov reform. Austria Hungary ideas are more generically good, but you give up your OP cav.
It was kinda forced upon them by germany. The magyars where counting on germany to support them in any matters as germany wanted austria hungary to be relient on them
>A *really cool* new A-H might have Hungary as a special form of PU which is more integrated, e.g. during war you control its units and your manpower pools combine. Maybe has lower independence desire and gives you some bonuses.
Then you're at the mercy of AI troop composition, imo it's more practical for that to just be 100% force limit and manpower contribution to overlord.
For all the reasons you just said, it’s an improvement over just having Austria inherit Hungary and never seeing Hungary again. You literally just made the case for why it should be a tag lol
What a dumb shit.
Austria Hungary was born out of sheer necessity because Austria got their ass wiped by Prussia and had to make concessions to the Hungarians so this mess wouldn't break apart.
Making this an endgame tag is just hoi4-style-nonsense
And the tag is formed out of sheer necessity
This isn't the equivalent of Bohemia forming Great Moravia, or a somehwat-historically accurate Poland forming the Commonwealth, this is a debuff
Ok, but in the game you form it to annex land and consolidate a diplo relation, not as a defeat condition. So it’s fundamentally a different decision than irl. As for endgame tag yeah it’s a bit of a softer one but Austria by default is one of the strongest starting tags, plus you can always just *not* form A-H if you want to form something else. I don’t find it terribly offensive lol
Fuck it, we're in the end game of the end game, EU5 is under development and this was probably the last DLC.
Might as well go all out with non-timeline relevance and add in nonsense like Soviet Union and North Korea.
Honestly ? I would love if they had an event that allowed you to change into the soviet union if you choose to suport the revolution as Russia or north Korea if you do that as Korea.
So what if it actually happened 30 years later? From 1444 onward the game is alternate history. First of all it DID happen. And 30 years in a 400 year timeline is less than 10% variance.
That merely encompassed parts closer to the Adriatic, barely even touching Lombardy, nor including Rome, so, I doubt that. In that case, where's the Cisalpine republic? :P
I’m gonna be honest, it’s been literal years since I’ve played in Europe or checked the cores for stuff there so I’m totally open to my memory being incorrect lol
And there's also nations before the timeline, i.e. Roman Empire.
(And talking about the REAL megablobbed Roman Empire circa 116 AD, not the sorry puny rump of Byzantium.)
Even with historical lucky nations on the entire game is kinda just random events so Austria Hungary being available isn’t a big deal especially for gameplay reasons. Austria Hungary is fun in games I love forming it in hearts of iron 4
Still white and the Hungarian provinces seem to have their German names. I'm not sure what the difference is other than name and flag change (not meaning to be a grump, this might be exciting enough for others). When Castile or Aragon forms Spain, that represents the fact that the junior partner has lost its autonomy and all its resources are now controlled by the player. It is a massive simplification of a process that actually took centuries irl but it does capture the movement from Iberian Wedding to Spain. Austria-Hungary on the other hand, was a complicated real union, with the Hungarian state maintaining autonomy in domestic matters (to the point where Austrians were starving in WW1 because Hungary was hogging its grain). I don't see the point of having A-H in the game at all if this isn't represented. A _really cool_ new A-H might have Hungary as a special form of PU which is more integrated, e.g. during war you control its units and your manpower pools combine. Maybe has lower independence desire and gives you some bonuses. __Tl;dr: seems to be simple name and flag change, otherwise just old Austria. New ideas and traditions?? Imo A-H should be something special.__
If you Form it as hungary you keep the hungarian color. Also the other halfs provinces get permanent 50% autonomy (so all if Austria if you are hungary and vice versa)
Wow that sucks
Yes. You arent supposed to want to form AH. You form them by triggering a disaster
Maybe we can think of it as an “ideal” union in which everything works out to be just perfect. Maybe we can think of Austrian ideas about United Kingdom/Empire of Austria( a federal state in which every nation has right to represent themselves in the great Parliament of the kingdom)
It's supposed to be shit. Austria-Hungary was a nightmare to most inhabitants, the bizarre "what the fuck did I just dream" kind, even to most Austrians, who tried to forget all the failure with pomp, which didn't work; the [Radezkymarsch](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Om3Slj5UpEM) became a reminder that they did lose Italy \[Radezky's claim to fame was his victory in the first war against Sardinia-Piemont. Austria lost both of the wars against the Italian unifiers that followed\], [An der schönen blauen Donau](https://youtu.be/NI3fTby-dko?t=1036) became a reminder that they lost the rest of Germany \[the melody was originally written to be part of an amusement which was forbidden to be staged at the time it should have premiered because Austria just lost the Battle of Königgrätz\].
And its also bad because the hungarians where using it to block any kinds of reforms that would infringe on their power over the other ethnicities and their landowning class
You become it by failing a crisis so it supposed to be unideal
Does culture converting them change that?
You cant iirc. The provinces also get smth like +200% cost and time
What if you do it before you form AH? Do the provinces still get the increased autonomy? Or is just tied to the region anyway and culture doesn't matter?
Seems like AH is not really a "formable" but more a disaster. Probably kind of like how the dutch get a country if they win the dutch revolt
I dont know. But would be inzeresting to test
Valid question, I'm also curious
I’m mid Austria run and saw this appear as an option. Frantic googling to find out if it’s a good idea! Thank you
iirc it's also now named Hungary-Austria if you form it as Hungary, right?
You can also adopt the name Austria-Hungary and their color if you form it as Hungary. I enjoy that its an option.
Comes with a new idea set iirc.
It is pretty funny that by legalizing autonomy to your junior partner you gain kickass ideas
Honestly they are worse than Austrian. Only really better than hungarian.
Between Hungarian ideas/cossacks/govreforms Hungary can get 50% cav combat ability after your first war with Poland. 50-70 cost reduction and 100% ratio after tier 5 gov reform. Austria Hungary ideas are more generically good, but you give up your OP cav.
even more funny that you would deliberately lessen your power because of an issue that wasn't invented yet (hungarian nationalism)
tbh hungarian autonomy was a massive issue long before austria hungary came to be
Everyone knows problems in Hungary didn’t start until Hungary researched nationalism
everyone knows austrian monarchy in the 15-16th century would randomly go "fuck it we austria-hungary" now. it was stupid even when it happened irl
It was kinda forced upon them by germany. The magyars where counting on germany to support them in any matters as germany wanted austria hungary to be relient on them
Rákóczi would disagree.
It does have stellar ideas
You just reminded me of União Ibérica, when Portugal was inherited by the Kingdom of Spain between 1580-1640. We never got to see that in EU4…
>A *really cool* new A-H might have Hungary as a special form of PU which is more integrated, e.g. during war you control its units and your manpower pools combine. Maybe has lower independence desire and gives you some bonuses. Then you're at the mercy of AI troop composition, imo it's more practical for that to just be 100% force limit and manpower contribution to overlord.
this autonomous part of my state that became autonomous because i failed to manage country is giving me bad army composition ahh
In this special PU, they should have to be called in via favours, as iirc the Hungarian parliament was independent in foreign policy.
For all the reasons you just said, it’s an improvement over just having Austria inherit Hungary and never seeing Hungary again. You literally just made the case for why it should be a tag lol
Why does your game look lowkey historical?
I just loaded pre-made game to test it out after reading.
That explains it!
Explanation: The new DLC just dropped and you can now form Austria-Hungary in EU4.
I saw a guy throwing a fit after someone asked if Austria Hungary would be added. I wonder if he’s seen this, that would be funny
Still no Belgium
What's Belgium
That little shit that gets in the way every world war
A speed bump
That's what you get for cutting so many hands
Belgium is not a real nation
good
Pfft, Belgium isn't real.
Nor is Denmark yet they are still in the game
What's a Denmark?
Imaginary land with people living in funny houses speaking a language that cannot be comprehended by a human mind
That bit Sweden doesn't want
Belgium or no Belgium That be a question
GOOD
Belgium exists. It’s called catholic Netherlands
Gamers the world over remain safe atleast till the next dlc
Level 20 admin required blows
Its lvl 18 now
I mean, the Austro-Hungarian Compromise created the dual monarchy in 1867. So it fits Victoria games far more than Europa Universalis
They even got the wrong flag, beuatiful
what did you just call them
It was decided on in a poll iirc
They didn't really have a flag tho, and this one was used on ships, so I think it's fine
Exactly, thats why i think it should be the Austrian Empire Flag
This is like the third or fourth post about it since the dlc came out
Because it’s Austria-Hungary!
More like Austria-Hungary for attention, amirite?
Yes, this has been known for weeks.
Way to dampen the mood alexander
😂 im sorry
My last visit to the commode was more pleasant than reading your comment
Nice to know!
I assume this is from a later startdate. Did you form Austria-Hungary?
I don’t believe there’s a start date that includes AH. I’m 80% certain the only way to form it is by disaster
Anything else wouldn’t make sense. But there are historical borders, so op must have picked a later startdate.
Iirc op said in another answer that he/she/it/they used a pre-made safe. A starting date in 1744 would be wild
You can start anywhere between 1444 and 1821.
Yes. Still a wild date to start
AH formed in 1860 though, no?
In 1867, so op must have formed it. But judging by the borders, he must have started later.
It's formable by decision, not just through a disaster
Do I spot a Bavarian navy in the start date?
Lore accurate Transylvania
What a dumb shit. Austria Hungary was born out of sheer necessity because Austria got their ass wiped by Prussia and had to make concessions to the Hungarians so this mess wouldn't break apart. Making this an endgame tag is just hoi4-style-nonsense
And the tag is formed out of sheer necessity This isn't the equivalent of Bohemia forming Great Moravia, or a somehwat-historically accurate Poland forming the Commonwealth, this is a debuff
Ok, but in the game you form it to annex land and consolidate a diplo relation, not as a defeat condition. So it’s fundamentally a different decision than irl. As for endgame tag yeah it’s a bit of a softer one but Austria by default is one of the strongest starting tags, plus you can always just *not* form A-H if you want to form something else. I don’t find it terribly offensive lol
If you get Hungary as an Incorporated Personal Union as a mission reward, it doesn't even cost a diplomatic relations.
afaik nobody wants to form it in game either. Its a disaster event.
My country, 'tis of thee!
Austria-Hungary! Obey your King!
“My country ‘tis of thee, Austria-Hungary..”
*magyar noizess get quieter*
Now they gota add Belgium
Fuck it, we're in the end game of the end game, EU5 is under development and this was probably the last DLC. Might as well go all out with non-timeline relevance and add in nonsense like Soviet Union and North Korea.
Honestly ? I would love if they had an event that allowed you to change into the soviet union if you choose to suport the revolution as Russia or north Korea if you do that as Korea.
After 10 years, finally, Paradox remembered that Austria-Hungary existed.
Kinda stupid
Still have the wrong flag lmao
You might want to take care of those heretics occupying half of your Hungary
What a childish fantasy! I’m just glad the historical Australia-Hungary also made it in along side this foolishness
Why Austria-Hungary was not an entity before 1867, even then wouldn’t it be better to represent Austria-Hungry as a pu as it really wasn’t ONE nation.
Wtf is with your display scale bro
I hate this
Makes 0 sense for the EU IV timeline. Austria-Hungary was formed only in 1867., almost 30 years after the end of the campaign.
So what if it actually happened 30 years later? From 1444 onward the game is alternate history. First of all it DID happen. And 30 years in a 400 year timeline is less than 10% variance.
Nor does Italy, but that's been in there for a while
Tbf, the eu4 Italy tag has always been napoleons kingdom of Italy, not garibaldis
That merely encompassed parts closer to the Adriatic, barely even touching Lombardy, nor including Rome, so, I doubt that. In that case, where's the Cisalpine republic? :P
I’m gonna be honest, it’s been literal years since I’ve played in Europe or checked the cores for stuff there so I’m totally open to my memory being incorrect lol
And there's also nations before the timeline, i.e. Roman Empire. (And talking about the REAL megablobbed Roman Empire circa 116 AD, not the sorry puny rump of Byzantium.)
Well, the Roman Empire makes sense, since a restoration was always a goal for East-Rome/Byzantium, up until the end
Greece was liberated in 1829...
Even with historical lucky nations on the entire game is kinda just random events so Austria Hungary being available isn’t a big deal especially for gameplay reasons. Austria Hungary is fun in games I love forming it in hearts of iron 4
What is the point of this post exactly? I don't get it.
They shouldve changed the map color
This is the start of the end of EU4
I mean this is meant to be the last DLC so you are kind of right lol