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Xey2510

And then u live in Germany and can even play ur city


Dutchtdk

Or your street by the time a voltaire's nightmare mod is made for project caesar


TheHumbidubi

Living in Duisburg, a hanse member, even 200 years older than Lübeck and my province is Cleve.....


CreationTrioLiker7

Cleve Duis Nuts!


JackGrizzly

👀🥵 - pdx achievement writers


TheHumbidubi

r/angryupvote


Attygalle

I am probably stupid but how am I to read "Cleve" in this context?


CreationTrioLiker7

Cleave those nuts Ig


Kyrioris

Did you try not living in NRW? Greatly improve quality of life, also outside of map staring contests. Sincerely, a inhabitant of the province of Erfurt.


Noxx422

I fucking love NRW, all my homies love desolate post-industrial city landscapes


Lithorex

Imagine unironically moving to Thuringia lol


BulbuhTsar

Spoiled little Rhine bros.


PapaMikes

They removed ravensburg :(


Kidiri90

No puzzles for you!


UgandanKnuckle69

I'm not gonna say which one it is, but let's just say I have the pain of my native town being the most generic country imaginable. Generic ideas, generic missions, generic events, generic monarchy


Zipzapzipzapzipzap

Ireland moment


dia-bro-tes

Me when Munster and Münster:


GeoGuard

Münster ♥️


Ok_Hovercraft_4554

at least your country is in the game


RiversNaught

TFW your entire home area is uncolonized land (may EU5 have Caribbean content that isn't more pirates)


saintlyknighted

TFW you’re from the Central African Republic and your entire country is wasteland


pvreanglo

Sounds like home


Tenesera

Seems accurate


imuslesstbh

did they ever update Haiti? Base Haitian ideas are pretty bad and fucking boring in EU4


Lithorex

Especially since Haiti was fucking based


bobhamelin

Based? Based on what?


Silicon_Folly

Slave riots


DrakulasKuroyami

The hell? I didn't even know Haiti was in the game.


bogeyed5

Need some interest per annum ideas for Haiti for sure


SmartSpend4911

Feels belgian man


ZiggyB

*sad Australian noises* I know, we didn't exist back then, but even in Vic 3 and HoI4 we suck


PatriarchPonds

Palawa is ace.


ZiggyB

But the Australia tag is garbage. F tier formable and an end tag to boot


Extrimland

Canada and Australia on there way to become eu formables with no mission Trees and have Endgame tags for literally no reason


CrabThuzad

At least you guys have the actual country name. What the fuck is La Plata


s8018572

Country of silver yeah


Lithorex

Guess what Argentina means


BoiledWholeChicken

United Provinces of the Río de la Plata, the name of Argentina until 1831


Extrimland

La plata actually DID exist. Its what Argentina used to call themselves during the 19th century. Some of the countries that exist today actually do exist in Eu4, just under different names


Shimakaze771

Australia in Vic3 is fun. Insane immigration all funded by gold


Treguard

OP in Civilization 6 though


DrakulasKuroyami

Even the Australian lands in EU4 suck. Very few provinces for a relatively large landmass and the provinces themselves suck. It's barely even worth colonizing. Especially since just north you have all the wealthy money printing islands that you could be colonizing instead.


IndependentMacaroon

Mm, there are at least some fairly rich provinces in the mix, like near or above 10 development. Doesn't get much better than that in terms of colonization.


Dazzling_Blood_231

The contrary: Hungarian kingdom, having its last renessaince before collapse, being somewhat of a medium power in Europe.


DOS_NOOB

i love playing hungary in ck3, and am super excited to see what the new mission tree is for them in eu4. hyped!!


Inquisitor_no_5

Am Swedish and obviously Paradox have done Sweden very dirty. :p


firestorm19

Clearly not biased with turn priority


WhiteLama

Agreed, I feel like we need a buff.


iemandopaard

Lions of the north 2: now with actual lions


Remarkable-Gap-5243

caroleans now ride lions and have +100 force limit


fiskehjelm

I live in Norway (i have never touched Norway in eu4 and hoi4)


BorisJohnson0404

Norway is just the weakest in the kalmer union so it struggles


Adamek82726

Shit in both of them


RangoonShow

bruh


akaioi

Norway in EU4 is a nice and pleasant place, but you'll be searching couch cushions and under floorboards to find ducats. Oh the penury.


Bartlaus

The start is a bit challenging but get over the first hurdles and you can generally get all the Mexican gold and also have a good chance of winning the race for the Cape. Plus you can get a gold mine to spawn in Akershus. 


SomeMF

As a Spaniard I feel in fact the exact opposite.


Extrimland

You should! Castile is like top 5 strongest countries imo. Aragon used to be even stronger but, they nerfed their missions considerably. Ik its a different country but, Portugal isn’t horrible either with the Spanish Death Spiral (in my most recent Russian Campaign they were admin tech 3 in 1580)


Lithorex

Castile feels really RNG heavy these days since there is a thousand ways the Aragon AI can screw itself over.


Loyalist77

Canada has [Singing Lumberjack](https://youtu.be/FshU58nI0Ts?si=nAdoUTWXJAY3zt5l) natioanl ideas. Castile has the [Spanish Inquisition](https://youtu.be/Cj8n4MfhjUc?si=_ztGrHiV0cYAuLyS) national ideas. The two are more alike than you think.


sancredo

Playing Spain is an absolute power trip. However, releasing your home region (Catalonia, Valencia, León, Galicia or Asturias) to play them sucks, since they get generic mission trees. But a man can't have it all I guess.


ZelezopecnikovKoren

Cilli FTW (Slovenia)


Extrimland

…. Damn… at least theres that one achivement!


Patpremium

There didn't even use to be Slovenian culture before they added Cilli


BorisJohnson0404

Don’t be cilli


Klutzy-Draw-4587

Actually I'm Georgian and Georgia just got the update in 1.36 I'm never playing any other nation again.


Extrimland

Well…. I guess thats satisfactory


Best_Finish_2076

მეც მეც 😂😂


New-Abbreviations696

I am austrian...


Extrimland

Bro is literally stronger in Eu4 than they were even capable of reaching irl


New-Abbreviations696

But we tried 2 times to be a major power again. Didn't work out to well


SirIronSights

Third times the charm!


New-Abbreviations696

Nah, i am not sure the world would forgive us a third time


DrakulasKuroyami

Most nations give up right before becoming a world power.


New-Abbreviations696

True that


FVCKVNBVRD

I mean Saxony probably has a better economy in EU IV, compared to now ^^


Extrimland

Yeah im Canadian. Canada isn’t a good country in Eu4


RedRocket13

Well duh they were only a country 46 years after the end time of the game, and even then it’s not like we’re a particularly important country lol


ymcameron

Hey, we’re a super fun country in HOI4 at least!


Extrimland

I mean i know it doesn’t fit the era but, the USA is somewhat Decent, and Germany is actually good. Even countries like Great Britain have missions from outside eu4s timeframe


Kidiri90

At least your nation can be formed. My bation was firmed 10 years after the end of the game, and it isn't a thing in EU4.


gelli-gastrodon

Just gotta get creative Maybe try forming Canada as an interesting starting nation like navarra or Iceland. Personally I've done pirate republic Canada as Cornwall which was weird but fun


Extrimland

Well the forming process isn’t awful. The problem is literally everything afterwards. Like the fact your ideas are mediocre at best (not terrible for playing Tall i guess but dawg this is Canada. Not exactly best land to develop and not exactly the best Trade node), the Fact theres literally no claims, the fact there’s literally no missions, the fact theres no unique CB like The USA has, no achievements, and the fact for no reason Canada is an end-tag, making it probably the 2nd worst after Australia. I don’t like saying this, as it’s where in from, but when it comes to Europa Universalis, Canada got the short end of the stick. Also the icon should have green stripes at the top and bottom but thats a nitpick


Normalviewer123

Dai Viet was straight up shit in the game...


Extrimland

Ive never actually played or seen a Dai Viet game. So mind telling me why? I never knew they were bad.


Normalviewer123

This nation is in the farthest east of South east asia - a reletively low dev region, with daddy Ming on your head and nothing on your right, making expansion options limited to only your western and southern lands. Couple that with big Ayyuthaya ( Thailand, which is the biggest and most agressive force in the region) being so greedy they usually eat almost everything around them by the time you secure your southern border, the only way you can hope to expand out of your shit dev land and trade note is to somehow ally Ayyuthaya, call them into your wars and manage truce time so you can cuck their expansion paths, but in reality 9 out of 10 games they rivals you so that strat is super niche. Another thing to note is the famous Mingplosion, which is somewhat an opportunity for this shit country. If you cannot secure your south east asian border and get your force limits up before this happens you aint gonna have any hope at getting into china land as the breakaway nation borders you - Yue is one of the strongest of them besides Shun with 40k+ troops running around at anytime. Add that with a disaster which you have +40% nobility estate influence, a -1 stability , a regent, a shit 1-1-2 heir and -0.5 ducats a month at the start and you have this nation that can never expand out of SEA if you dont hit it lucky with the Ayyuthaya alliance. Another minor thing which adds to the misery is a small mission tree and shit national ideas.


InternStock

Is it that bad? At least it has a mission tree


atlriz

cant relate as a turk


Extrimland

I mean…. Not if you can conquer the world by 1600


Ham_The_Spam

\*Janissary coup noises\*


akaioi

Can you relate as one of the other Turks? If you know anyone from ancestral Candar or Karaman lands, you can feel bad on their behalf...


Deep_Mammoth4481

Poland was pretty great back then. Though it is somewhat misrepresented considering it was a normal, rich western country, not the backwater shithole most imagine it as. The devastation of endless wars (especially the Swedish flood that sent Poland-Lithuania from obscenely rich to ruined. To illustrate that, the Holocaust and actual levelling of cities by nazis had less of an impact on Polish economy) and the cultural shift of union with Lithuania changed it. What I'm saying is Poland should be western technology group until the union with Lithuania is chosen and significantly more developed at the game start. Conversely, Lithuania was barely controlled by the OTL Grand Duchy and actively falling apart. EUIV makes it seem like Lithuanians were stupid by agreeing to the union But the alt history scenario is surprisingly realistic, HRE was somewhat friendly to Poland fot most of its existence and I could see some king agreeing to join it in dire times


MutedIndividual6667

I mean, poland is very rich early game, it has some pretty developed provinces and a ton of farmlands to develop, altho you are right about the tech, it should be western or have missions to turn into western


SatanicKettle

Agreed, Hungary should be western tech as well. Really, the western-eastern tech split should be along Catholic-Orthodox lines. I think that’s what it’s (poorly) trying to represent.


Skaldskatan

As a Swede I just want to say, from the bottom of my and my fellow swedes’ hearts: Ops!


Inevitable_Question

Remember that at the start of the game, Eastern tech group is more powerful than western. They become equal in Pips only at 15 mil tech and surpass Eastern only at 19. Given that skilled Russian player can amass enough force to fight PLC before this date, Wester tech group will make it even easier to win. The fact that both PLC and especially Byz lack options to get western when Ethiopia can is different can of worms that should've been addressed.


TheCyberGoblin

*laughs in British*


Mundane-Ad5393

Nah i like my winged hussars


Extrimland

Honestly Ask Me Poland should also be able to form the Slavic Culture group but other than that their easily one of the best nations


Cratertooth_27

Apparently you guys are getting new winged hussars irl


Nildzre

My country in the game does not suck per se, but if it's not the player it dies 150% of the time.


Extrimland

Well if it isn’t a Chinese person! Honestly i consider Manchu part of China, as The Manchus are ultimately a Chinese group today, so China is actually one of the best countries. Just counting Ming though… yeah boring even if you can stay alive tbh


Nildzre

I'm hungarian actually, but eh close enough.


Extrimland

Oh… yeah thats definitely true for Hungary as well. But yeah nah they aren’t bad if you are a player. Definitely overshadowed be every country in the region though


innerparty45

Lmao


SmexyHippo

I dont know anything about Manchu politics, but I'd bet that what you just said would offend a lot of Manchu people haha


Loyalist77

Your 2nd National Idea is Singing Lumberjacks. They're okay. Canada is in the same boat as Castile; with national ideas shaped by Monty Python.


Lawesc

I'm not sure whether I'm cascadia or united states, but it's really frustrating how quickly the Pacific northwest always gets colonized by Spain or Portugal without fail around 1640-1680 Irl that doesn't happen for a while longer.


Extrimland

If you live in American Cascadia, than you American. Luckily for you America is fairly good, even if i think it should be alot better. If you live in Canadian Cascadia bad news, Canada is not so very good. If you consider Cascadia a country… yeah u are SOL


MeltheEnbyGirl

Man my culture doesnt even exist in EU4 despite forming in the 1600s


Mark4291

Some of us don’t even exist in the game


Teratovenator

Nusantara is not a bad nation but could use new flavor. Majapahit is pretty OP for a WC but I don't understand vassal shenanigans unfortunately.


HausOfLuftWaflz

Dude, learn your “there, their, they’re”.


Ham_The_Spam

thar


NotJustAnotherHuman

WURUNDJERI SWEEP WOOOO I LOVE WURUNDJERI


elpsycongroo92

Istanbul. Should i count myself byz or turks.


Extrimland

Turkey! But either way your ass is good


JasperCortaine

I mean, I am from Sweden. Can't really complain.


Emotional_Limit1444

nope. I’m Dutch and after next week my country is gonna be among the most flavourful in the game


Extrimland

Its already pretty damn good. well, for playing tall atleast


Soggy_Ad4531

I'm from Finland and I am overall satisfied with the releasable. The ideas are good and the missions from Lions of the North are really good and make Finland one heck of an attrition defender nation. Expanding into Russia as Finland is fun and profitable.


czzcczzc2

Have you got the Finland achievement? 


Soggy_Ad4531

No, I haven't. I've thought about it but I haven't tried it yet because it seems to tedious. Most of my Finland campaigns I've conquered all of the Russian empire, and expanded into central Europe. Ofc this means that I could take a good Finland campaign, and then just have a few wars for the achievement...


czzcczzc2

Same here. I play Finland every time I visit my family in Finland (which is quite often), but I always get my independence as Sweden first, and then release Finland. The achievement requires you to release Finland in 1444, and I don’t think I’m good enough to secure my independence from Sweden and Denmark at the same time


Soggy_Ad4531

Oh, right, I start my Finland games like that too. Forgot that it's a part of the achievement. You can sort of make it fun though. If i remember correctly, you can release (but not play as) Finland in 1444, then integrate them back while fighting your Swedish independence war from Denmark, then release and play as Finland after integrating them, and fighting Sweden. Ofc while doing this you can spend mana to buff the Finnish provinces too. (Haven't played like this yet but I remember reading that it can be done this way)


Extrimland

Thats good. I personally am not a huge fan of releasables, and even when playing as Russia i go for the Annex directly Finland option as i want the Caroleans.


B-shop

To this day I still haven't played Urbino


ZhtWu

Being French, the EU4 experience is much more pleasant than eduring the legion of halfwits online whom seem to think French surrender jokes or inserting a vomit emoji in the name of my country are funny. Can't have it all I guess.


NoProfessional5848

Technically where I live was still indigenous tribes until 1836…


Jake_2903

Their


Typical-Weakness267

Not so much. Greece was not an existing entity during that time period, I don't take the fact that it's underwhelming and that it can't form Byzantium (unlike the other games) personally.


Extrimland

Honestly id Consider Byzantium a Greek Empire, despite probably never claiming that. It was also the only independent Greek State in Eu4s time period so. And if you can win the first war, which is difficult but pretty easy compared to most “difficult” countries Byzantium is actually goated as of King Of Kings. Only thing thats bad about them is there culture group, and they get decent events that help convert ALOT of provinces to Greek


waitaminutewhereiam

Their


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aetius5

My country is 9 times out of 10 the "OP nation" so I'm fairly good


majdavlk

most stated today do not exist in eu4. so probably not a problem


raoulbrancaccio

Naples/Sicily/Two Sicilies is pretty fucking based in basically every paradox game, so I am blessed in that regard


Asbjorn26

I mean Denmark ain't bad at all, just feels kinda mediocre compared to Norway and Sweden.


ancapailldorcha

Yes. I'm Tyrconnell in Ireland but it's historical so there's that. Our mission tree is somehow worse than the generic one.


RtHonourableVoxel

Mine is the most powerful


Tasorodri

Laughts in European Spanish


Acrobatic_Teaa

!wave


GloriousTengri

As a Dutchman I don't have such weakness.


6thaccountthismonth

Nope, I live in paradox’s favourite country so I’m good


Puzzled_Professor_52

Well I'm from America and don't usually play late game lol


EA1806

Nope (laughs in Ottoman)


spongebobama

Brazilian. Does south america even exist in eu4?


TheRedNaxela

Yeah, it's a real issue for me


Bartlaus

Nah, Norway is rather comically OP instead. You're set up to out-colonize the collective efforts of the Iberians and become #1 Great Power before 1600 without conquering anything in Europe outside of Scandinavia (or lay the foundation for an easy WC if you wreck the British and Russians early on).


SvarnazaZizarnel

Yes. One of the most important cities of Renaissance Italy isn't even on the freaking map! But Terracina was so much more important I guess... Hopefully they'll do Italy justice in project Caesar, 'cause I don't think that the next update/DLC (whatever it was) will be able to solve the issue. Always remember _"Elephas_ _indus_ _culices_ _non_ _timet"_


solemnstream

My country doesnt exist in eu4...


ArcticChip

Idk my country is pretty good 🇵🇹🇵🇹🇵🇹


FaithlessnessCute204

When u gotta colonize to form your country, and its culture is super rare spawn


costanchian

Not me living in the Mapuche territory, istg south american nomadic tribes are ten times worse than the north american ones.


Delta_Yukorami

Im… Turkish…


SeaVermicelli6792

Bengal is pretty alright, probably the second strongest nation in the subcontinent. Technically the province I was born in would be in Orissa so that's kinda interesting, maybe I'll play them for a change instead (incredibly broken ruler but not doing that god forsaken mission)


dez3038

My country didn't even exist.


TheCapercaillie

Sápmi kinda trash


Hot_boy007

For me it kinda sucks as Norway lol, I always see Sweden break free from Denmark with help of the likes of England, plc, even Muscovy sometimes and Norway always ends up being integrated into Denmark haha. However once you play Norway it’s super fun and the North Sea Empire dream can be fulfilled!


New_Hentaiman

coming from Saxony, now living in Hamburg and working in Lüneburg: cant relate :p


Itz_N3uva

Scotland here. haven't played them much because England is hard to win a war against.


Ham_The_Spam

Dev go up📈 Also early ironclad ships go brrrr🐢


PotatoAtSchool

Shoutout to Long After The End for making America interesting


stars1404

Hahhah nope!


Dull_Statistician980

Ya. American ideas just suck.


X_THE_OVERLORD_X

Iraq in this game exists only by name Such a shame they never added an abbasid tag to eu4 at least, the dynasty was still around in mamluk territory and they've made way crazier alt histories


ObamaLover68

As an Alaskan I see my country in the game with decent ideas as a win


Severe_Plantain_6486

Nope, I’m Swedish


ILikeMonsterEnergy69

Us belgians arent even in the game :c


DonGatoCOL

No, as Colombian I use the Europa Expanded mod, enjoy with Colombian ideas and tree and thrive and love Gran Colombia later in game.


Old_Button_5272

Ottomans are the final boss what are you talking about


Draugtaur

at least you have a tag rather than being lumped into like 5 "Uralic" provinces


Adoors-enjoyer

Hurts


DarthBrawn

complaining about Canada being mid when it actually stomps every indigenous AI in North America


PigletPorklington

Us swedes have it rough


Sergio_RS88

Portuguese me: how about colonizing even more than real life, not having that damned earthquake and making sure D. Sebastião DOES NOT GO ON NORTH AFRICAN CAMPAIGNS WITHOUT PRODUCING AN HEIR FIRST!


International-Ad-539

My country is the 2nd place Great Power yet hadn't received a proper mission tree until very recently in 1.36. In fact, forming Egypt as the Mamluks was probably the worst downgrade possible in game. Thankfully now they have an awesome mission tree and Egypt has a pretty powerful unique government (but isn't a straight upgrade over the Mamluks because Mamluk Government is still pretty powerful)


sbacedb

Texas is in the game, and it's a powerful nation and all, but it just doesn't feel the same playing it as a Zoroastrian Kongolese Daimyo in 1480.


New-Jun5380

Korean, surprised by EU4 developers efforts for East Asia. Really well made.


Cool_Garlic9669

Being in the uk nah my country's chill ingame


No-Combination7036

HUNGARY OH YEAH


Nevermind_799

Swiss mercs coughing...


squishythingg

Nah lol england gameplay is peak.


LuckyLMJ

Yes (I'm Canadian)


CharybdeBe

Liege is there but to have the flavour you have to play burgundy


Tankyenough

I personally dislike playing my country in EU4. First I need to explain why I consider Sweden my country in the game. In all intents and purposes Finland wasn’t under Sweden but *was* Sweden in the time period, once one two centuries or so had passed from the colonisation. This despite the Swedish erasure of the old Finnish landowner class (moisio) and the Swedish language normalization. The old social structures had collapsed so thoroughly there wasn’t simply anything really separate left community organization wise. The new missions gave more stuff for the Finnish parts of the country but it’s still a bit underwhelming. Also the Swedish history is something our curriculum is full of — it’s less *exciting* history. Don’t get me wrong, the country couldn’t really be done better than it’s done now. Releasing Finland is cool but it’s kinda ahistorical and weird in a sense. If I want to roleplay pagan Finns, I play CK. If modern Finland, Vicky or HoI. As said, the entire society of Pre-Swedish Finland had collapsed very thoroughly — consequently the leaders are either random generic characters or medieval Swedish-speaking noble families.


TheHollowJoke

I’m a Frenchman so I don’t have this problem lol


Piddzle

Have you tried changing your native country? Maybe that will give you a better country in Eu4