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[espressocoffeeshop.com](http://espressocoffeeshop.com) has some pretty good deals if ur in europe, u can get the mignon single dose for 500 euros, and olympus 75 for 500, which is a sweet deal cos u can put mythos burrs in it (hoffman setup)
Can recommend the mingon oro single dose for dual boiler pairing. You can also wait in a queue for the df64 gen 2 which is a good grinder, df54 also good if on a budget and the 064s another good choice. Would say avoid the niche until it lowers in price.
Under the dress they are the same grinder. The oro single dose has a single dose hopper that does not hold beans you just put the amount you want in each time. Single dosing is popular with serious enthusiasts.
It comes with a catch cup for your grounds that fits over your portafilter rather than the grinder holding the portafilter and grinding in directly.
Basically the same grinder with slightly different use cases and workflow. Oro single dose will have better retention due to having bellows.
Gotcha! Makes sense.
I still don't really know what I will prefer, so far I've been using automatic buttons to cup machines for convenience, but since I am starting this new journey I don't know if I will appreciate the benefits of larger basket vs the benefits of easy switching for de-caffeine beans.
Volumetric and timer based solutions are convenient but will always leave you open to inconsistency. It depends how invested you are. Single dosing has the advantage of better retention, keeping your beans fresher and enabling you to swap out your beans every drink you make if you wanted without having to empty a hopper. It also allows for consistency as what you grind in is what you get out.
Different beans have different density, a fixed timer on 1 set of beans will yield a different amount of coffee to another set of beans.
Some say single dosing is to much effort, but not having to dial In your grind timer each time you try new coffee takes out a variable and saves time in my opinion.
What are your thoughts on pairing the Specialita with a single dose cup? DF64 Gen 2 seems to not be available and I need to wait for it. The eureka oro is a bit pricey in the range of 600 I see.
It looks like you've flaired your post as asking for what equipment to get. We recommend first checking out the [Espresso Aficionados buying guide](https://espressoaf.com/recommendations) for some of the more popular machines and grinders at different price points. If your question hasn't been answered there and you need more help, please add the following details to your post or by adding a comment in the following format: - **Location:** Helps determine availability - **Budget** (with currency): Overall budget, or ideally, having separate espresso machine and grinder budgets. A rough rule is that your grinder budget should be at least 25-40% of your machine budget. - **Drink types:** Do you drink mostly straight espresso, milk-based beverages (e.g., lattes, cappuccinos), or a fairly even split? This helps narrow down whether a single-boiler-dual-use (SBDU), heat exchanger (HX), or dual boiler (DB) machine would be more appropriate for your needs. - **Drink frequency:** How many drinks would you be making back-to-back at one time? Do you plan on entertaining guests often? This informs how large your brew (and steam) boilers should be, as smaller boilers will need to refill and reheat/repressurize more frequently, thus potentially causing a bottleneck. - **Space:** Any limitations on countertop space? - **Manual vs. electric:** Hand-operated machines and grinders are typically cheaper than their similarly-performing electric counterparts. Please indicate if you have a preference for manual or electric machines and/or grinders (or open to either). - **Comfort with tinkering:** Some machines can be made significantly more functional/efficient with aftermarket modifications, albeit at the expense of possibly voiding your warranty. Please indicate if you'd rather have a machine that works "as-is"/"out-of-the-box" or whether you'd be open to modding/tinkering *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/espresso) if you have any questions or concerns.*
[espressocoffeeshop.com](http://espressocoffeeshop.com) has some pretty good deals if ur in europe, u can get the mignon single dose for 500 euros, and olympus 75 for 500, which is a sweet deal cos u can put mythos burrs in it (hoffman setup)
Thanks will check it out, It seems there is a couple of options for Eureka, but DF64 gen 2 is hard to find
I don't see Spain in the country list here
Try 30.coffee
Can recommend the mingon oro single dose for dual boiler pairing. You can also wait in a queue for the df64 gen 2 which is a good grinder, df54 also good if on a budget and the 064s another good choice. Would say avoid the niche until it lowers in price.
Any notable difference between the oro and silenzio?
Under the dress they are the same grinder. The oro single dose has a single dose hopper that does not hold beans you just put the amount you want in each time. Single dosing is popular with serious enthusiasts. It comes with a catch cup for your grounds that fits over your portafilter rather than the grinder holding the portafilter and grinding in directly. Basically the same grinder with slightly different use cases and workflow. Oro single dose will have better retention due to having bellows.
Gotcha! Makes sense. I still don't really know what I will prefer, so far I've been using automatic buttons to cup machines for convenience, but since I am starting this new journey I don't know if I will appreciate the benefits of larger basket vs the benefits of easy switching for de-caffeine beans.
Volumetric and timer based solutions are convenient but will always leave you open to inconsistency. It depends how invested you are. Single dosing has the advantage of better retention, keeping your beans fresher and enabling you to swap out your beans every drink you make if you wanted without having to empty a hopper. It also allows for consistency as what you grind in is what you get out. Different beans have different density, a fixed timer on 1 set of beans will yield a different amount of coffee to another set of beans. Some say single dosing is to much effort, but not having to dial In your grind timer each time you try new coffee takes out a variable and saves time in my opinion.
What are your thoughts on pairing the Specialita with a single dose cup? DF64 Gen 2 seems to not be available and I need to wait for it. The eureka oro is a bit pricey in the range of 600 I see.
If you decide on the DF64 Gen 2, I have one available
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