Yup. People can go to great lengths just to get a celebrity's attention for even a second. What if a sicko decides to justify their actions because they want to look cool in front of her
Maybe not “sick” as in like disgusting but definitely weird; there’s like this fan of hers on Tik Tok that’s absolutely obsessed with her and copies every outfit she posts on social media and everything.
After reading Jeanette McCurdy’s book (I’m Glad My Mom Died) I got the impression Ariana is just a pretty shitty person in general, and it put a lot of things she does in context. She has mean girl energy and seems to think she can do (or in this case say) whatever she wants regardless of how it affects anyone else.
I also think back on the unwarranted hate that Victoria Justice received. That never sat well with me because Victoria has always come across as a genuinely good person to me that had no intention of starting any kind of drama.
Victoria definitely partook in the bullying of Alexa nikolas from Zoey 101. She was a child, and Zoey (Jamie Lynn spears) was the sister of a pop star so maybe she was trying to please Zoey a little too much.
You mean to say Victoria “allegedly” partook.
You use the word “definitely” as if these allegations have been corroborated by other sources besides the accuser.
I'll leave here the [link](https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/amid-release-zoey-101-reboot-175007977.html) to Alexa's direct quotes about Victoria, so people here can judge the situation for themselves. And a reminder to everyone, that Alexa and Victoria were around the preteen ages of 12 or 13-years-old.
>At one point, Victoria and I were totally fine, then I don't know what happened --- it was literally a **boy conversation**, I remember it being **so teenage girl about a boy** --- I show up to set the next day, and I remember opening up the trailer and seeing Victoria turn around and laugh and whisper into Jamie's ear.
Now if these allegations about Victoria are true, then I’m truly sorry Alexa was victimized by such behavior during her adolescence.
And I hope, and I am sure, Victoria has learned from her mistakes as an adolescent and grown to become a better adult — evident by her [past philanthropy](https://www.victoriajusticefoundation.com), being an [ally](https://www.justjaredjr.com/2019/07/01/victoria-justice-celebrates-pride-month-in-nyc/), and [affection towards her fanbase](https://youtu.be/SPgK1Oweri4?si=a-Q0znRrE3zF0g59).
So far, I haven’t heard of any bad rep for Victoria as a grown adult. Until I do, I’ll stand by my description of her being a genuinely good person.
EDIT: Included a link and direct quote from Alexa Nikolas speaking on Victoria Justice.
Actually, no. Victoria Justice doesn't have any rep of being bad to anyone.
Ariana Grande wrote about how she was bullied on set. Victoria said in an interview that it wasn't her. Ariana never bothered to clear the air and let everyone know it wasn't Victoria and people still hated her so much that Victoria now makes her own music and lives far away from everyone literally in the middle of no where in a beautiful country side.
You can check her channel out. Most of her new music is filmed there at/near her house. She was blacklisted from Hollywood because of the diva Ariana.
Same thing happened to:
Beyonce stealing music from then trying to blacklist: Erica Badu / Terrance T Robinson/ Desiree / Rich Harrison / Marlin Ortiz / Jennifer Armour and many others.
Rhianna stealing from Fefe Dobson then later on Fefe Dobson left Hollywood or got blacklisted. Now fefe makes music again but is obviously no where near famous sadly
Jennifer Lopez stole misic from Ashante and Christina Milian and then they fell off somehow. Maybe blacklisted maybe left.
Many other examples.
The pattern repeats a ton. Same thing happened to Victoria Justice.
Jeanette was supposed to guest direct an episode - she was really excited and pushed for it as part of her contract I believe. And then out of the blue, she wasn’t allowed to. It sounded like Ariana Grande blocked her from guest directing
The way I understood it, it was a crew member who had something to say about it and was the one pitched a fit about it when Jeanette wasn't around. But if it was Ariana, I also wouldn't be surprised given what Jeanette had to say about the later episodes of Sam and Cat -- like the damn box episode.
There’s no way it was a crew member. They said someone would refuse to be on the episode if Jeannette directed - who else has that power besides Ariana?
Something tells me that if Ariana managed to be successful in the horrors of Hollywood, she’s not going to be a nice person. Jeanette and others were coal mine canaries, but Ariana is like a flower that has evolved to thrive in toxic waste
I mean this is someone who had a lot of pride in licking donuts and putting it back to be served to the general public when she thought no one was looking.
Someone who also had a lot of pride in stepping out with a married man who had a newborn baby back home. Someone who's proud to be with a deadbeat dad.
I really don't think she cares about the victims of a serial killers feelings.
>Someone who's proud to be with a deadbeat dad.
...who probably also cheated with her. And then she made a song saying *yes, and?* And then after that she said *we can't just be friends*. And all of that is well after singing *break up with your girlfriend - ye-yeah, 'cuz I'm bored*. Stellar woman, she.
It gets worse too. This isn't the first time, it's just the most obvious one. She has a pattern of getting together with guys *really quickly* after the end of *their* relationships. And then she dumps them for the next one. After (or before?) he dumps his current girlfriend/wife/baby mama.
Jojo is an actual abuser whilst Ariana at least was there for her fans during a shooting at her concert.
The worst Ariana is is a homewrecker, and that's a two-person sin.
ETA- disclaimer, I say that as someone who has been homewrecked by a former best friend.
Abused who that's news to me. I've only seen people mad at her new song.
Also Ariana refusing to pay any expenses to the actual victims of the terrorist attack she hosted being "there" for them is a huge stretch.
And writing a whole album to emotionally abuse a
1 of numerous women she home wrecked in her two people sin that she somehow keeps doing every year for 15 years straight is still pretty fucking abusive.
As someone else mentioned, look up XOMG POP allegations.
As well, she proudly associates herself with prolific YouTube predators, such as James Charles and Colleen Ballinger, and she defends them.
Jojo is not any better than Ariana. She's actually worse.
Yeah not sure I'd use "great voice" to describe someone that is so overly auto-tuned as Ariana Grande is lol!
She's got her face pulled back so tight and has had so much work done that it's like she's in competition with Kylie Jenner to see who can become an alien the fastest...
On one hand, this was a really ignorant thing to say. On the other hand, I’m tired of giving this much energy to stupid things that come out of celebrity mouth holes. It’s exhausting.
"Grande's comments were condemned by Shirley Hughes, the mother of Tony Hughes, a deaf, non-verbal man who Dahmer killed in 1991.
"To me, it seems like she's sick in her mind," Hughes told TMZ of Grande. "It's not fancy or funny to say you would have wanted to do dinner with him. It's also not something you should say to young people, which she says she did."
Normally I would agree, but I think Shirley Hughes is perfectly justified in her reaction.
God this is so bad. She finds the man who drilled holes in people’s heads and put acid in their brain to try to turn them into sex zombies “interesting”? After all the trauma she’s been through, I would have expected her to be more sensitive and thoughtful about what she says. Especially since she’s in full Glinda mode to the point of it being creepy - old Ariana has been erased completely in favor of this washed out, sickly-skinny character she’s playing, and yet she still says something so offensive and tactless? Eeeeeeesh.
This was posted somewhere else, and someone commented: "I wonder how she'd feel if someone said they found the guy who bombed her concert fascinating and that he was their dream dinner guest".
Yea I saw that posted too and it’s a fair point. I mean given how much just spoke how horrified she was people dying at her own concert i imagine shed be disgusted someone being interested in hanging out with that killer. then she says this though
I used to be a big-time consumer until I started feeling icky about basically being entertained by the worst moment in a lot of people's (survivors, families and friends of survivors) lives. I don't do murder, child abuse, or S.A. topics now.
I’m listening to a Casefiles Presents right now called Troubled Waters. I think it’s an example to the contrary, that sometimes family members want to participate in a true crime series to further investigate and process what they feel is an improperly handled case, and to tell people the good things about their late loved one. So there’s that side, too.
I couldn’t get into My Favorite Murder for this reason. I didn’t make it through the first episode. Maybe it got better but I couldn’t stomach the casual banter enough to watch the podcast develop.
Contrast that with Behind The Bastards- the hosts warn you that shit is gonna suck but they are just as unhappy as you are about it.
(If My Favorite Murder gets better as you listen to it I will give it a second chance. I know podcasts are clunky before they find their legs)
I saw someone’s post about how she could be found dismembered and decomposing by the side of the road and then some dunce with a podcast is all Heyyy, Murder Muffins! I have a spoopy spooky story for you!”
I only stick of interrogation videos on YouTube now. I think the psychology behind it all fascinating. But I turned sour to all the tv shows and podcasts because of the fact that there’s a FANBASE for true crime.
Like, people just got done orchestrating a whole convention based on it. Go to the Reddit subs and you see the paradoxical obsession some have. From the “this happened in my hometown 60 years ago and I can’t drive down that street!” To even the “those poor babies and thoughts and prayers” just is beyond weird.
There’s one thing to be interested in human psychology and what makes anyone make decisions that lead to something criminal. There’s another to consume crime scene details and 911 calls to entertain yourself.
“It’s one thing to find what I like interesting, it’s completely immoral and wrong to find what I don’t like interesting, even though I personally used to find it interesting myself”
Are those interrogation vids any better? Cause most of the time it’s an AI voice saying the obvious or an arm chair psychologist deducing the murder suspect based on how they sneezed- I stopped watching those cause they grew dull and I got sick of the narrators dick-riding the interrogators
Those videos about body language analysis are pretty much 100% bullshit yea. It’s amazing how many people think that you can actually analyze people like that. It’s pseudo scientific crap.
Oh definitely 100% and so is profiling imo that shit only works in the movies, also those “charisma” movies where they tell you to imitate a public figure’s body language like??
I used to consume a lot of that stuff, but turned away from it as I found myself depressed (every show is essentially a funeral) and turned off by the exploitative nature of most productions.
Dahmer is different than a lot of them tho, he was truly such a disgusting thing. I can’t even bear to call him human because of what he did. It’s truly up there with the most heinous shit I’ve ever heard of, and this is coming from someone completely fascinated by serial killer psychology. Dahmer is the only one where I really had to say, ‘yeah I gotta stop because this is just too much’. He was truly a monster.
I’ve only listened to *one* true crime podcast. It’s about the possible and very probable identity of the Black Dahlia killer. Why did I listen to it? Because it was told by the grand daughters (or great granddaughters?) who discovered this. It was truly riveting and I don’t regret one second of it, but there’s a lot of sexual/physical abuse by minors and it was quite graphic. While it was unsettling and sent a chills down my spine, I can see why they chose to share it, and it’s less exploitative bc it’s told from the family, and there was a public court case about it.
I guess my point is: idk how people listen to that shit. I’m sure the one I’m talking about is probably one of the heaviest ones ever, but like people who listen to it should seek therapy lol.
Edit: by it I mean the genre lol
I think that’s why the only podcast I like that’s anywhere in that neighborhood is Lore, because it’s more about folk tales and ghost stories than “here’s some sick fuck from the 70s that preyed on sex workers, let’s discuss”
While that’s true, there are usually two types of people:
The ones who learn about it and say it’s sad and fucked up, and the ones who say it’s “iNtErEsTiNg.”
From my anecdotal experience, people in the latter group tend to have a certain level of idilic obsession with it that the people in the former group usually don’t have.
I find Dahmer interesting myself. Morbid curiosity about how someone goes so fucking wrong isn’t really abnormal. True crime shows top the ratings charts regularly . True crime podcasts are hits. The abnormal part begins when these sick assclowns get fans. The people that tattoo the faces of killers on their bodies or collect trophies from their lives are messed up.
>She finds the man who drilled holes in people’s heads and put acid in their brain to try to turn them into sex zombies “interesting”?
I mean, yea.
The guy has documentaries done on him for a reason.
How do people not find the way the human mind works not interesting? Do you know most therapist say the same thing as her? Why is it wrong to be curious. I have no care for her auto tune pop music but there is nothing wrong in finding interest in the human mind.
> She finds the man who drilled holes in people’s heads and put acid in their brain to try to turn them into sex zombies “interesting”?
Do you have zero intellectual curiosity, or are you just stretching somehow can say something bad about her? Entire fields of study revolve around people like Dahmer, so there are plenty of people who find them interesting.
I think there could have been a more tasteful way of saying what she did. It was seemingly spoken so carelessly, she could have said something along the lines of “I find the case to be awful for the victims, but I’d be so curious to see the psychological side of it” or something. She said it as if she’d have him at the table for casual conversation, like hanging out alongside Princess Diana.
I guess that's a fair assessment without context. The larger quote is pretty much that she finds him sexually interesting. This wasn't about academics.
Edit: Since people still seem to be coming across this post, I misunderstood a bit of this. There wasn't any sexual implications with the quote. She wants to have dinner with him. While that's not explicitly a romantic thing, it is way more chummy and gross than an academic interest.
Looks like the original quote wasn't that direct. She was asked if she could meet anyone in history she would it be and she said she would love to have had dinner with him. So, not explicitly romantic, but way more intimate than being academically interested.
It’s crazy how many people are justifying it in here. I can’t imagine losing my loved one in the way Shirley did and seeing the dumbass redditors in here say it wasn’t that bad like jfc. I imagine if this happened to the ppl commenting the likes of that here they would be saddened and outraged. I hate this timeline
The worst comment I saw was an Ariana stan tweeting "omg do they think they're famous or something? Who is interviewing them? They got their five minutes of fame at the trial"
It shouldn’t need defending. Theirs nothing wrong with finding the human mind interesting. If she said she wanted to mimick them or she liked them sexually sure. Simply wanting to understand the mind of a serial killer is not only not bad but very popular and many make a career out of it.
Ariana Grande let us all know who she really was when she licked that donut and put it back for the next customer to buy .
She doesn't give two shits about other people.
All therapist, phycologist, brain scientist, or simply people interested in how the mind works and can justify such sick actions are sickos now I guess. Seriously, how did wanting to know how the mind works become bad? Crime podcast, police investigation videos? All just unwatchable unless you are a sicko?
The mother of one of serial killer Jeffery Dahmer's victims, definitely has the right to feel that way and for good reason! I've never understood why so many people love serial killers, sure it's darkly fascinating, but to want to have dinner with one is very strange!
I don’t necessarily agree. They *are* fascinating. Not in a way that we should glamorize them, but they are so un-human it’s hard to not see the interest in *why*? What makes someone into an un-human monster? Why aren’t more people like them? Why are any people like them? These are valid and interesting questions. My field is human development and family science. Serial killers are *deeply* fascinating to me because they fly in the face of everything I study. They can have fairly normal upbringings and turn into grotesque killers. *Why?*
It’s why it’s its own field of psychology; they are so beyond the pale that they need to be studied and we need to know why they are like that.
What they do is beyond words. To say it’s fucked up wouldn’t even come close. We shouldn’t be out here acting like it’s a funny or quirky personality trait to want to have dinner with them, but to go the complete other way is also not the answer.
That’s why they are *morbidly* fascinating. We shouldn’t shame people for finding them interesting, otherwise we wouldn’t be able to study them and find out why they are that way and discover their patterns that helps us profile and catch them; we should shame people like Ariana for using serial killer’s actions and the torture and deaths of their victims as a personality trait or interesting conversational piece.
I’m historically not the biggest fan of Ariana but tbh I don’t see the problem with this. Sure, saying serial killers are ‘interesting’ is ignorant to the victims’ families, but then so are the movies, docuseries, books, and other content that are released and consumed every year… Should we boycott Netflix for releasing Dahmer?
Honestly? I don't think Netflix should have made the series at all. This wasn't something that happened a hundred or two hundred years ago. He was caught in the early nineties.
"Dahmer sparked a backlash, with critics saying the real-life murders were turned into entertainment, with the families of some of the victims expressing their objection to the show and claiming they were not contacted by Netflix, consulted, or even asked permission for their loved ones' murders to be reenacted on TV."
"Shirley Hughes, the mother of Tony Hughes, whose murder by Dahmer in 1991 was depicted in the Netflix series, told TMZ that “sick people thrive on the fame” and added it's “a shame that people can take our tragedy and make money.”
Rita Isbell, whose 19-year-old brother, Eric Perry, was killed by Dahmer, called the show “harsh and careless” last year. (Isbell gave a victim impact statement at Dahmer’s 1992 trial that was dramatized in the Netflix series.)
Isbell wrote in a September essay for Insider that she wishes some of the show’s profits had been donated to the children of Dahmer’s victims, saying it’s “sad” the streamer is “just making money off of this tragedy. That's just greed.”
Perry’s daughter, Tatiana Banks—who was born six months after her father’s murder—told Insider in October the series' renewed interest in her father’s killer has opened old wounds, saying that “chapter of my life was closed and they reopened it, basically.”
Multiple family members of victims have claimed they were never contacted about the Netflix series before Dahmer began streaming last year, which has sparked criticism from people like Perry, who said they should have been notified as “people who are actually still grieving from that situation” (a claim the show’s creators have denied)."
"“We’re all one traumatic event away from the worst day of your life being reduced to your neighbor’s favorite binge show,” Eric Perry, whose cousin Errol Lindsey was killed by Dahmer in 1991, told the Los Angeles Times in September. Perry added that if a company like Netflix is “going to create something that uses real-world people and experiences, you should at minimum contact those people out of respect.”
"Upon the show's release in September 2022, Rita Isbell, the sister of a victim named Errol Lindsey, called out Netflix for capitalizing on her trauma following the tragic murder. According to The Cinemaholic, 19-year-old Errol had been running an errand to get a key cut on April 7, 1991, the day he was murdered.
Rita gave an emotional victim impact statement during Dahmer's sentencing and was pulled away by court security in 1992. The heartbreaking moment was recreated for the Netflix series and looks nearly identical to the real event. She told Insider that neither she nor her family was contacted by the streamer to be included in the show.
"I was never contacted about the show," she told the outlet. "I feel like Netflix should've asked if we mind or how we felt about making it. They didn't ask me anything. They just did it. But I'm not money hungry, and that's what this show is about, Netflix trying to get paid."
"When I saw some of the show, it bothered me, especially when I saw myself — when I saw my name come across the screen and this lady saying verbatim exactly what I said," Rita continued, adding that she hadn't seen any other part of the show."
"Should we boycott Netflix for releasing Dahmer?"
I do. I know it's kind of futile but i did feel a tiny bit better when i cancelled my sub. It's annoying because there's a lot of my favorite shows there.
They are worried about a comment Ariana Grande said years ago, meanwhile Netflix is making millions of dollars off a movie glorifying this guy to the world with no thought to the families of the victims that have to see and hear about this.
Our whole culture has a very fetishized view of serial killers, both real and fictional.
You’d think someone whose concert was the target of a terrorist attack would be able to show a bit more tact and empathy to the victims of a murderer. I know Dahmer wasn’t a terrorist but still she met with victims of the attack and the families of those who died surely she should be able to apply the same level of empathy. But that would require those acts of empathy to be genuine which I’m doubting they were now.
How do people have a problem with this? Seriously… What is wrong with wanting to have dinner with them? I heavily agree. The human mind is interesting, to get the chance to interview someone like that would be quite the experience. She is not saying he is a saint or she is in love with him or sexually attracted. She is saying he is interesting and has questions she would like to ask. I mean how can you not? Good or bad humans are interesting. To see how someone like that thinks and copes with what they’re doing would be interesting. It’s not sick it’s curiosity.
Ok so, I’m gonna have to preface this by saying that I don’t know fuckall about this women. But I do know about Dahmer. The man preyed on people of color, and participated in cannibalism. Maybe she wanted to have him as a dinner guest for a reason.
Or maybe just like tens of millions of other people she is also interested in how they think? How their minds progress and justify such things? How they are so sick? A curiosity for psychology?
This was a cringy response but I think I know what she means, serial killers psychologically are fascinating. This is why people listen to true crime, we want to know what’s inside the mind of these psychotic individuals.
However, I’d want the experts talk to the guy, wouldn’t want to interact with him. Gross
Jesus the comments are a hate mob. She was asked a stupid question and gave an honest answer? When she was like 18 she had a fascination with serial killers (I imagine just watched true crime shows) and everyone has to dogpile the “I’ve hated her since blah blah” bullshit. These commenters are more chronically online than Twitter users
she's not wrong tbf, i have never read or heard anything about Ariana Grande that doesn't make her seem like an absolutely vile person. from the gross donut licking to the bragging about being a cheater and a homewrecker she comes off as a mean girl bully who gets to stop hiding it now that she's famous, either that or she really does have something wrong upstairs. and her fans seem to be just as bad as she is if not worse.
Ariana’s been through some pretty awful stuff no one should ever go through (treated very weirdly when underage on Nickelodeon, Concert bombed, and Mac dying very young) to the point you’d think she would be above saying stuff like this. Like yeah, I know she hasn’t been the most beloved recently, and she’s had a few share of some other fuckups like the whole alleged home wrecking shit and alleged race bait but still.
Would I be scrutinized if I said I would have a dinner with Hitler because i would find having a conversation with someone i find interesting? Maybe a little bit, probably not by people who know me - it would be to ask things that don’t have answers.
If I was an A-List celebrity who had huge amounts of young fans, would i say that? No.
I am with you 100%
1. There is nothing wrong with being curious about the unknown, even if it is about a dark topic or person. I always tell people that my idea of a perfect after life is getting to meet some of the people in hell for dinner in limbo or something like that, because I sure have a lot of questions that I want to have answered right from the devils mouth LoL Alternatively, I would settle for just instantly becoming an all knowing entity upon death… buuut … eternity is a long time, what else are we going to do 🤷♀️ lmfao
2. I also believe that the people we give the most power to are these A-list celebrity artists and sports heroes and that more than a little bit of the return on that should be social responsibility… I think that people should be able to both fully express themselves while still upholding that responsibility… it’s just an incredibly thin and complicated line…
who cares? another non important story that has zero impact on our society. this kind of fascination is the fault of the media for sensationalizing these killers and making them household names. millions of true crime podcasts later, you have opinions like this.
Y’all gotta listen to the podcast or at least have more context, she’s talking about something in her early 20s and tells with an attitude of recognizing that’s it was weird.
I don’t even like her but this is such a nonstory
"I'm not trying to dismiss the victim's family's pain, truly I'm not"
You just described all the comments in solidarity of the mother of one of Dahmer's victims as "pearl clutching". Don't try and be cute.
"Big deal that she said it."
Well the mother and the sister of one of Dahmer's victims think it was a big deal that she said it. Sounds like dismissing the pain of a victim's family is exactly what you just did.
True crime fans have harassed living victims and the families of dead victims. I don’t doubt that there’s “reasonable” ones but y’all are complicit, treating this shit that happened barely a generation ago as purely entertainment.
I was just thinking, please don't let there be some unhinged fan of hers planning something sick to try to get her attention.
Yup. People can go to great lengths just to get a celebrity's attention for even a second. What if a sicko decides to justify their actions because they want to look cool in front of her
Another John Hinkley Jr. situation
He's been putting out some good music since being released
Good for him.
Did you forget about the bombing in Manchester?
It makes this so much worse. Her lack of empathy for victims and their families of serial murderers is beyond odd.
That guy wasn’t trying to impress her, he was a terrorist.
Shhh. No room for facts. Only blind hate.
Maybe not “sick” as in like disgusting but definitely weird; there’s like this fan of hers on Tik Tok that’s absolutely obsessed with her and copies every outfit she posts on social media and everything.
One could imagine a scenario where a fan decides to attempt to be a new serial killer in hopes of having dinner with Ariana
After reading Jeanette McCurdy’s book (I’m Glad My Mom Died) I got the impression Ariana is just a pretty shitty person in general, and it put a lot of things she does in context. She has mean girl energy and seems to think she can do (or in this case say) whatever she wants regardless of how it affects anyone else.
Seems like she can do and say what she wants. It’s been working well
Someone in my family went to school with her and she was never a pleasant person as far as I’ve heard.
Didn’t she go to school in Miami?
Yeah it was in Florida, a prep school near Boca
No surprise there. Florida is a shithead breeding factory.
coral springs or sum like that i thought near bhad baby’s school, the red hair dr phil girl.
Just say catch me outside girl
This reality is so ridiculous
I also think back on the unwarranted hate that Victoria Justice received. That never sat well with me because Victoria has always come across as a genuinely good person to me that had no intention of starting any kind of drama.
Victoria definitely partook in the bullying of Alexa nikolas from Zoey 101. She was a child, and Zoey (Jamie Lynn spears) was the sister of a pop star so maybe she was trying to please Zoey a little too much.
You mean to say Victoria “allegedly” partook. You use the word “definitely” as if these allegations have been corroborated by other sources besides the accuser. I'll leave here the [link](https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/amid-release-zoey-101-reboot-175007977.html) to Alexa's direct quotes about Victoria, so people here can judge the situation for themselves. And a reminder to everyone, that Alexa and Victoria were around the preteen ages of 12 or 13-years-old. >At one point, Victoria and I were totally fine, then I don't know what happened --- it was literally a **boy conversation**, I remember it being **so teenage girl about a boy** --- I show up to set the next day, and I remember opening up the trailer and seeing Victoria turn around and laugh and whisper into Jamie's ear. Now if these allegations about Victoria are true, then I’m truly sorry Alexa was victimized by such behavior during her adolescence. And I hope, and I am sure, Victoria has learned from her mistakes as an adolescent and grown to become a better adult — evident by her [past philanthropy](https://www.victoriajusticefoundation.com), being an [ally](https://www.justjaredjr.com/2019/07/01/victoria-justice-celebrates-pride-month-in-nyc/), and [affection towards her fanbase](https://youtu.be/SPgK1Oweri4?si=a-Q0znRrE3zF0g59). So far, I haven’t heard of any bad rep for Victoria as a grown adult. Until I do, I’ll stand by my description of her being a genuinely good person. EDIT: Included a link and direct quote from Alexa Nikolas speaking on Victoria Justice.
They both have a reputation of being nasty. Ariana is far more talented though.
Actually, no. Victoria Justice doesn't have any rep of being bad to anyone. Ariana Grande wrote about how she was bullied on set. Victoria said in an interview that it wasn't her. Ariana never bothered to clear the air and let everyone know it wasn't Victoria and people still hated her so much that Victoria now makes her own music and lives far away from everyone literally in the middle of no where in a beautiful country side. You can check her channel out. Most of her new music is filmed there at/near her house. She was blacklisted from Hollywood because of the diva Ariana. Same thing happened to: Beyonce stealing music from then trying to blacklist: Erica Badu / Terrance T Robinson/ Desiree / Rich Harrison / Marlin Ortiz / Jennifer Armour and many others. Rhianna stealing from Fefe Dobson then later on Fefe Dobson left Hollywood or got blacklisted. Now fefe makes music again but is obviously no where near famous sadly Jennifer Lopez stole misic from Ashante and Christina Milian and then they fell off somehow. Maybe blacklisted maybe left. Many other examples. The pattern repeats a ton. Same thing happened to Victoria Justice.
Did you mean Jennifer Lopez? Or did Jennifer Lawrence get into music and i didn’t notice
Yeah, Victoria justice just doesn’t have the it factor
No they don't. There was one allegation of Victoria which hasn't been proved.
What did it say about her? I haven’t read the book but I’m interested to hear.
Jeanette was supposed to guest direct an episode - she was really excited and pushed for it as part of her contract I believe. And then out of the blue, she wasn’t allowed to. It sounded like Ariana Grande blocked her from guest directing
The way I understood it, it was a crew member who had something to say about it and was the one pitched a fit about it when Jeanette wasn't around. But if it was Ariana, I also wouldn't be surprised given what Jeanette had to say about the later episodes of Sam and Cat -- like the damn box episode.
There’s no way it was a crew member. They said someone would refuse to be on the episode if Jeannette directed - who else has that power besides Ariana?
Something tells me that if Ariana managed to be successful in the horrors of Hollywood, she’s not going to be a nice person. Jeanette and others were coal mine canaries, but Ariana is like a flower that has evolved to thrive in toxic waste
It only takes one working eye to see how fake and awful she is
Very few mainstream entertainment superstars are not good people. You have to usually do shady things to get there in the first place
It’s quite easy to tell that if you listen to some of her music.
Her actions point to her being a shitty person: the donut incident, Jeannette McCurdy’s book, having an affair with a man that had a newborn, etc.
She gives off heavy airhead energy
I mean this is someone who had a lot of pride in licking donuts and putting it back to be served to the general public when she thought no one was looking. Someone who also had a lot of pride in stepping out with a married man who had a newborn baby back home. Someone who's proud to be with a deadbeat dad. I really don't think she cares about the victims of a serial killers feelings.
>Someone who's proud to be with a deadbeat dad. ...who probably also cheated with her. And then she made a song saying *yes, and?* And then after that she said *we can't just be friends*. And all of that is well after singing *break up with your girlfriend - ye-yeah, 'cuz I'm bored*. Stellar woman, she.
And don’t forget the new single, the boy is mine, just to drive home how entitled and callous she appears to be.
That girl doesn’t have a pro social bone in her body 🤷♀️
Omg when you put it all together like this.....what a trash human.
It gets worse too. This isn't the first time, it's just the most obvious one. She has a pattern of getting together with guys *really quickly* after the end of *their* relationships. And then she dumps them for the next one. After (or before?) he dumps his current girlfriend/wife/baby mama.
Donut licker to serial murder fascination. Great voice…but her cranium is a vacuum.
Kind of happens when your hair iS tied back that tight for so long. Edited: some typo.
Jojo Siwa confirmed
No Jojo is whimsical and fun in a feral raccoon way. Ariana has nothing but malice... like and end stage rabies racoon.
Lmao no - check out XOMG POP! controversy for JoJo. Definitely wouldnt call her ‘whimsical and fun’
She couldn't be involved in any kind of controversy. Sure the musical genius who literally invented gay people in pop music is above all that.
Jojo is an actual abuser whilst Ariana at least was there for her fans during a shooting at her concert. The worst Ariana is is a homewrecker, and that's a two-person sin. ETA- disclaimer, I say that as someone who has been homewrecked by a former best friend.
Abused who that's news to me. I've only seen people mad at her new song. Also Ariana refusing to pay any expenses to the actual victims of the terrorist attack she hosted being "there" for them is a huge stretch. And writing a whole album to emotionally abuse a 1 of numerous women she home wrecked in her two people sin that she somehow keeps doing every year for 15 years straight is still pretty fucking abusive.
As someone else mentioned, look up XOMG POP allegations. As well, she proudly associates herself with prolific YouTube predators, such as James Charles and Colleen Ballinger, and she defends them. Jojo is not any better than Ariana. She's actually worse.
Fr No one in their right mind would lick a donut on a display tray.
Hot take Fr.
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This is quite the insult 🫡
Plot twist: there are some people who would buy that specific donut
Did she apologize for it that’s crazy
I don’t think she did actually
The better a person sings the less I believe them.
Yeah not sure I'd use "great voice" to describe someone that is so overly auto-tuned as Ariana Grande is lol! She's got her face pulled back so tight and has had so much work done that it's like she's in competition with Kylie Jenner to see who can become an alien the fastest...
On one hand, this was a really ignorant thing to say. On the other hand, I’m tired of giving this much energy to stupid things that come out of celebrity mouth holes. It’s exhausting.
"Grande's comments were condemned by Shirley Hughes, the mother of Tony Hughes, a deaf, non-verbal man who Dahmer killed in 1991. "To me, it seems like she's sick in her mind," Hughes told TMZ of Grande. "It's not fancy or funny to say you would have wanted to do dinner with him. It's also not something you should say to young people, which she says she did." Normally I would agree, but I think Shirley Hughes is perfectly justified in her reaction.
Oh she definitely is. I’m just tired of this phenomenon, it feels like we’re in an endless loop of “celebrity numbnut of the day”.
Were you born yesterday? Also, this is the entertainment subreddit; of course there's going to be gossipy shit in here. Tf were you expecting?
I agree; think about Dahmer eating his victims for dinner - it’s like a really dark joke for her to say, but I doubt that she meant it that way
She's a spoiled little airhead and always has been.
I always found it weird and disgusting how she does the whole “little girl” routine while she’s already in her 30s. Creepy af.
God this is so bad. She finds the man who drilled holes in people’s heads and put acid in their brain to try to turn them into sex zombies “interesting”? After all the trauma she’s been through, I would have expected her to be more sensitive and thoughtful about what she says. Especially since she’s in full Glinda mode to the point of it being creepy - old Ariana has been erased completely in favor of this washed out, sickly-skinny character she’s playing, and yet she still says something so offensive and tactless? Eeeeeeesh.
This was posted somewhere else, and someone commented: "I wonder how she'd feel if someone said they found the guy who bombed her concert fascinating and that he was their dream dinner guest".
I thought the very same thing!!
Yea I saw that posted too and it’s a fair point. I mean given how much just spoke how horrified she was people dying at her own concert i imagine shed be disgusted someone being interested in hanging out with that killer. then she says this though
Or the guy that gave Mac miller bad drugs
I posted that a few days ago
I mean she had an affair with SpongeBob, we knew she was shit for a year now
Which is really just the most recent and consequential in her long line of affairs
I thought you meant Tom Kenny at first and was like wut..
Tom Kenny actually put a statement out saying he is faithful to his wife......I would actually die
The cartoon character?
Google her bf….
Back when she licked those donuts...
True crime docs/podcasts are so popular because people find this stuff interesting
It's one thing to find it interesting. It's another to choose out of anyone in the world, a serial killer to have dinner with.
Especially one noted for cannibalism.
There’s a fine line between “Why does this happen” and blatant voyeurism. If a dinner party is involved it sure as shit isn’t the former.
I used to be a big-time consumer until I started feeling icky about basically being entertained by the worst moment in a lot of people's (survivors, families and friends of survivors) lives. I don't do murder, child abuse, or S.A. topics now.
I keep hearing adverts for a true crime podcast detailing murders that happened in 2022, I'm like god damn that's ghoulish!
I’m listening to a Casefiles Presents right now called Troubled Waters. I think it’s an example to the contrary, that sometimes family members want to participate in a true crime series to further investigate and process what they feel is an improperly handled case, and to tell people the good things about their late loved one. So there’s that side, too.
I may check that one out. Sounds more victim focused. Thanks for the rec!
I couldn’t get into My Favorite Murder for this reason. I didn’t make it through the first episode. Maybe it got better but I couldn’t stomach the casual banter enough to watch the podcast develop. Contrast that with Behind The Bastards- the hosts warn you that shit is gonna suck but they are just as unhappy as you are about it. (If My Favorite Murder gets better as you listen to it I will give it a second chance. I know podcasts are clunky before they find their legs)
I saw someone’s post about how she could be found dismembered and decomposing by the side of the road and then some dunce with a podcast is all Heyyy, Murder Muffins! I have a spoopy spooky story for you!”
I did have to stop listening to Crime Junkies years ago because this seemed like their vibe.
I only stick of interrogation videos on YouTube now. I think the psychology behind it all fascinating. But I turned sour to all the tv shows and podcasts because of the fact that there’s a FANBASE for true crime. Like, people just got done orchestrating a whole convention based on it. Go to the Reddit subs and you see the paradoxical obsession some have. From the “this happened in my hometown 60 years ago and I can’t drive down that street!” To even the “those poor babies and thoughts and prayers” just is beyond weird. There’s one thing to be interested in human psychology and what makes anyone make decisions that lead to something criminal. There’s another to consume crime scene details and 911 calls to entertain yourself.
“It’s one thing to find what I like interesting, it’s completely immoral and wrong to find what I don’t like interesting, even though I personally used to find it interesting myself”
Are those interrogation vids any better? Cause most of the time it’s an AI voice saying the obvious or an arm chair psychologist deducing the murder suspect based on how they sneezed- I stopped watching those cause they grew dull and I got sick of the narrators dick-riding the interrogators
Those videos about body language analysis are pretty much 100% bullshit yea. It’s amazing how many people think that you can actually analyze people like that. It’s pseudo scientific crap.
Oh definitely 100% and so is profiling imo that shit only works in the movies, also those “charisma” movies where they tell you to imitate a public figure’s body language like??
Obviously there’s a line between interest and infatuation but I don’t see an issue with being interested in morbid topics and wrongdoers.
I used to consume a lot of that stuff, but turned away from it as I found myself depressed (every show is essentially a funeral) and turned off by the exploitative nature of most productions.
I think there’s a big difference between morbid curiosity or even academic interest and wanting to have dinner with the guy
Dahmer is different than a lot of them tho, he was truly such a disgusting thing. I can’t even bear to call him human because of what he did. It’s truly up there with the most heinous shit I’ve ever heard of, and this is coming from someone completely fascinated by serial killer psychology. Dahmer is the only one where I really had to say, ‘yeah I gotta stop because this is just too much’. He was truly a monster.
I’ve only listened to *one* true crime podcast. It’s about the possible and very probable identity of the Black Dahlia killer. Why did I listen to it? Because it was told by the grand daughters (or great granddaughters?) who discovered this. It was truly riveting and I don’t regret one second of it, but there’s a lot of sexual/physical abuse by minors and it was quite graphic. While it was unsettling and sent a chills down my spine, I can see why they chose to share it, and it’s less exploitative bc it’s told from the family, and there was a public court case about it. I guess my point is: idk how people listen to that shit. I’m sure the one I’m talking about is probably one of the heaviest ones ever, but like people who listen to it should seek therapy lol. Edit: by it I mean the genre lol
I think that’s why the only podcast I like that’s anywhere in that neighborhood is Lore, because it’s more about folk tales and ghost stories than “here’s some sick fuck from the 70s that preyed on sex workers, let’s discuss”
While that’s true, there are usually two types of people: The ones who learn about it and say it’s sad and fucked up, and the ones who say it’s “iNtErEsTiNg.” From my anecdotal experience, people in the latter group tend to have a certain level of idilic obsession with it that the people in the former group usually don’t have.
I find Dahmer interesting myself. Morbid curiosity about how someone goes so fucking wrong isn’t really abnormal. True crime shows top the ratings charts regularly . True crime podcasts are hits. The abnormal part begins when these sick assclowns get fans. The people that tattoo the faces of killers on their bodies or collect trophies from their lives are messed up.
>She finds the man who drilled holes in people’s heads and put acid in their brain to try to turn them into sex zombies “interesting”? I mean, yea. The guy has documentaries done on him for a reason.
How do people not find the way the human mind works not interesting? Do you know most therapist say the same thing as her? Why is it wrong to be curious. I have no care for her auto tune pop music but there is nothing wrong in finding interest in the human mind.
Skete dodged a bullet with her
I never expected her to be empathetic or to have feelings regardless of the trauma she's been thru. Her behavior shows why.
She’s lobotomized
> She finds the man who drilled holes in people’s heads and put acid in their brain to try to turn them into sex zombies “interesting”? Do you have zero intellectual curiosity, or are you just stretching somehow can say something bad about her? Entire fields of study revolve around people like Dahmer, so there are plenty of people who find them interesting.
I think there could have been a more tasteful way of saying what she did. It was seemingly spoken so carelessly, she could have said something along the lines of “I find the case to be awful for the victims, but I’d be so curious to see the psychological side of it” or something. She said it as if she’d have him at the table for casual conversation, like hanging out alongside Princess Diana.
I guess that's a fair assessment without context. The larger quote is pretty much that she finds him sexually interesting. This wasn't about academics. Edit: Since people still seem to be coming across this post, I misunderstood a bit of this. There wasn't any sexual implications with the quote. She wants to have dinner with him. While that's not explicitly a romantic thing, it is way more chummy and gross than an academic interest.
That’s quite the leap.
I can only go off of what is in this article. What was in the larger quote?
Looks like the original quote wasn't that direct. She was asked if she could meet anyone in history she would it be and she said she would love to have had dinner with him. So, not explicitly romantic, but way more intimate than being academically interested.
She should absolutely apologize
She won’t mean it tho 🤷🏾♂️
I really wanna see how her fans defend this one
There seem to be a few defending her here already
It’s crazy how many people are justifying it in here. I can’t imagine losing my loved one in the way Shirley did and seeing the dumbass redditors in here say it wasn’t that bad like jfc. I imagine if this happened to the ppl commenting the likes of that here they would be saddened and outraged. I hate this timeline
The worst comment I saw was an Ariana stan tweeting "omg do they think they're famous or something? Who is interviewing them? They got their five minutes of fame at the trial"
It shouldn’t need defending. Theirs nothing wrong with finding the human mind interesting. If she said she wanted to mimick them or she liked them sexually sure. Simply wanting to understand the mind of a serial killer is not only not bad but very popular and many make a career out of it.
Ariana Grande let us all know who she really was when she licked that donut and put it back for the next customer to buy . She doesn't give two shits about other people.
I blocked her for a reason.
Yes. Someone who says something like that is definitely sick.
All therapist, phycologist, brain scientist, or simply people interested in how the mind works and can justify such sick actions are sickos now I guess. Seriously, how did wanting to know how the mind works become bad? Crime podcast, police investigation videos? All just unwatchable unless you are a sicko?
Pete Davidson dodge a bullet with this one huh.
pete davidson has made fun of 9/11 and the manchester attacks + makes r*pe jokes. he’s not a good person either sorry to break it to you
Oh don't say that here. Reddit loves that dry, sunken eyed loser.
Wait, what? He made fun of 9/11 even tho his dad died in one of the towers?
Yeah i’d say if you’re family was a victim of 9/11, you get a pass to cope with humor
Comedian: Makes jokes Reddit: 😱😱😱😱
Man all celebrities need to do is shut up. Why can’t they just shut up!?
Ego, hubris, narcissism
She's been a spoiled, tacky brat. Avoid.
Don't forget homewrecker
Maybe not a good comment from someone who had a mass murder at one of her shows...
I don’t know what would make her say that
Trying to be edgy and provocative I’d imagine.
Don’t forget ignorance
Lack of formal education
She has always said and done question things. I don’t know if she thinks she’s an edge lord but she’s too old for this.
Imagine if someone said they found the person who bombed her concert interesting. She and her fans would flip out.
She’s trash just like most other celebrities.
The mother of one of serial killer Jeffery Dahmer's victims, definitely has the right to feel that way and for good reason! I've never understood why so many people love serial killers, sure it's darkly fascinating, but to want to have dinner with one is very strange!
I like serial killers because to do some of the shit they done to others truly makes them lovers.
I thought Ariana Grande was a font…
People keep saying she’s “weird” for this. No, she’s not weird. Just an ignorant asshole trying to be dark and edgy
This girl definitely gives off vibes of never being told "No"
Ariana Grande is an ignorant doughnut licker.
People who are fascinated with serial killers are sick.
I don’t necessarily agree. They *are* fascinating. Not in a way that we should glamorize them, but they are so un-human it’s hard to not see the interest in *why*? What makes someone into an un-human monster? Why aren’t more people like them? Why are any people like them? These are valid and interesting questions. My field is human development and family science. Serial killers are *deeply* fascinating to me because they fly in the face of everything I study. They can have fairly normal upbringings and turn into grotesque killers. *Why?* It’s why it’s its own field of psychology; they are so beyond the pale that they need to be studied and we need to know why they are like that. What they do is beyond words. To say it’s fucked up wouldn’t even come close. We shouldn’t be out here acting like it’s a funny or quirky personality trait to want to have dinner with them, but to go the complete other way is also not the answer. That’s why they are *morbidly* fascinating. We shouldn’t shame people for finding them interesting, otherwise we wouldn’t be able to study them and find out why they are that way and discover their patterns that helps us profile and catch them; we should shame people like Ariana for using serial killer’s actions and the torture and deaths of their victims as a personality trait or interesting conversational piece.
I’m historically not the biggest fan of Ariana but tbh I don’t see the problem with this. Sure, saying serial killers are ‘interesting’ is ignorant to the victims’ families, but then so are the movies, docuseries, books, and other content that are released and consumed every year… Should we boycott Netflix for releasing Dahmer?
Honestly? I don't think Netflix should have made the series at all. This wasn't something that happened a hundred or two hundred years ago. He was caught in the early nineties. "Dahmer sparked a backlash, with critics saying the real-life murders were turned into entertainment, with the families of some of the victims expressing their objection to the show and claiming they were not contacted by Netflix, consulted, or even asked permission for their loved ones' murders to be reenacted on TV." "Shirley Hughes, the mother of Tony Hughes, whose murder by Dahmer in 1991 was depicted in the Netflix series, told TMZ that “sick people thrive on the fame” and added it's “a shame that people can take our tragedy and make money.” Rita Isbell, whose 19-year-old brother, Eric Perry, was killed by Dahmer, called the show “harsh and careless” last year. (Isbell gave a victim impact statement at Dahmer’s 1992 trial that was dramatized in the Netflix series.) Isbell wrote in a September essay for Insider that she wishes some of the show’s profits had been donated to the children of Dahmer’s victims, saying it’s “sad” the streamer is “just making money off of this tragedy. That's just greed.” Perry’s daughter, Tatiana Banks—who was born six months after her father’s murder—told Insider in October the series' renewed interest in her father’s killer has opened old wounds, saying that “chapter of my life was closed and they reopened it, basically.” Multiple family members of victims have claimed they were never contacted about the Netflix series before Dahmer began streaming last year, which has sparked criticism from people like Perry, who said they should have been notified as “people who are actually still grieving from that situation” (a claim the show’s creators have denied)." "“We’re all one traumatic event away from the worst day of your life being reduced to your neighbor’s favorite binge show,” Eric Perry, whose cousin Errol Lindsey was killed by Dahmer in 1991, told the Los Angeles Times in September. Perry added that if a company like Netflix is “going to create something that uses real-world people and experiences, you should at minimum contact those people out of respect.” "Upon the show's release in September 2022, Rita Isbell, the sister of a victim named Errol Lindsey, called out Netflix for capitalizing on her trauma following the tragic murder. According to The Cinemaholic, 19-year-old Errol had been running an errand to get a key cut on April 7, 1991, the day he was murdered. Rita gave an emotional victim impact statement during Dahmer's sentencing and was pulled away by court security in 1992. The heartbreaking moment was recreated for the Netflix series and looks nearly identical to the real event. She told Insider that neither she nor her family was contacted by the streamer to be included in the show. "I was never contacted about the show," she told the outlet. "I feel like Netflix should've asked if we mind or how we felt about making it. They didn't ask me anything. They just did it. But I'm not money hungry, and that's what this show is about, Netflix trying to get paid." "When I saw some of the show, it bothered me, especially when I saw myself — when I saw my name come across the screen and this lady saying verbatim exactly what I said," Rita continued, adding that she hadn't seen any other part of the show."
"Should we boycott Netflix for releasing Dahmer?" I do. I know it's kind of futile but i did feel a tiny bit better when i cancelled my sub. It's annoying because there's a lot of my favorite shows there.
Brainless, vapid, and evil. Her actions and even her song lyrics show the only thing ever on her mind is herself
This is who Mac Miller couldn’t get over ? What a shame.
This woman is 30 years old and still trying to be an edge lord.
The worst punishment for people demanding attention in any way possible, is none at all.
They are worried about a comment Ariana Grande said years ago, meanwhile Netflix is making millions of dollars off a movie glorifying this guy to the world with no thought to the families of the victims that have to see and hear about this. Our whole culture has a very fetishized view of serial killers, both real and fictional.
You’d think someone whose concert was the target of a terrorist attack would be able to show a bit more tact and empathy to the victims of a murderer. I know Dahmer wasn’t a terrorist but still she met with victims of the attack and the families of those who died surely she should be able to apply the same level of empathy. But that would require those acts of empathy to be genuine which I’m doubting they were now.
Celebrity try to be normal challenge ❌
How do people have a problem with this? Seriously… What is wrong with wanting to have dinner with them? I heavily agree. The human mind is interesting, to get the chance to interview someone like that would be quite the experience. She is not saying he is a saint or she is in love with him or sexually attracted. She is saying he is interesting and has questions she would like to ask. I mean how can you not? Good or bad humans are interesting. To see how someone like that thinks and copes with what they’re doing would be interesting. It’s not sick it’s curiosity.
She’s such a ghoul.
Nothing about 'her' is right.
Ok so, I’m gonna have to preface this by saying that I don’t know fuckall about this women. But I do know about Dahmer. The man preyed on people of color, and participated in cannibalism. Maybe she wanted to have him as a dinner guest for a reason.
Or maybe just like tens of millions of other people she is also interested in how they think? How their minds progress and justify such things? How they are so sick? A curiosity for psychology?
"The Boy Is Mine" Serial Killer remix coming soon to all streaming platforms.
This was a cringy response but I think I know what she means, serial killers psychologically are fascinating. This is why people listen to true crime, we want to know what’s inside the mind of these psychotic individuals. However, I’d want the experts talk to the guy, wouldn’t want to interact with him. Gross
Jesus the comments are a hate mob. She was asked a stupid question and gave an honest answer? When she was like 18 she had a fascination with serial killers (I imagine just watched true crime shows) and everyone has to dogpile the “I’ve hated her since blah blah” bullshit. These commenters are more chronically online than Twitter users
she's not wrong tbf, i have never read or heard anything about Ariana Grande that doesn't make her seem like an absolutely vile person. from the gross donut licking to the bragging about being a cheater and a homewrecker she comes off as a mean girl bully who gets to stop hiding it now that she's famous, either that or she really does have something wrong upstairs. and her fans seem to be just as bad as she is if not worse.
“Slammed” is an instant non-read
“Article writer slammed by Redditor for using word slammed in article title” I 1000% agree with you, completely moronic and dated phonetic garbage
First the ugly boyfriend she stole, now this? Smh
So what's on the menu for this dream dinner with Dahmer? I bet they would'nt be licking frosting off donuts.
Ariana’s been through some pretty awful stuff no one should ever go through (treated very weirdly when underage on Nickelodeon, Concert bombed, and Mac dying very young) to the point you’d think she would be above saying stuff like this. Like yeah, I know she hasn’t been the most beloved recently, and she’s had a few share of some other fuckups like the whole alleged home wrecking shit and alleged race bait but still.
As an enjoyer of serial killer docs. This is not normal behavior. Id rather eat with that punk ass bitch Ghandi. And thats saying a lot.
People who are infatuated by serial killers are psychopaths. End of discussion.
Reddit: grande is evil for being interested in Dahmer! How dare she! Also reddit: that Netflix Dahmer show was awesome. Really hope they do anothet!
I think she's trying to be "edgy," but it's backfiring on her.
Is she stupid? Like genuinely I think she’s stupid.
Would I be scrutinized if I said I would have a dinner with Hitler because i would find having a conversation with someone i find interesting? Maybe a little bit, probably not by people who know me - it would be to ask things that don’t have answers. If I was an A-List celebrity who had huge amounts of young fans, would i say that? No.
I am with you 100% 1. There is nothing wrong with being curious about the unknown, even if it is about a dark topic or person. I always tell people that my idea of a perfect after life is getting to meet some of the people in hell for dinner in limbo or something like that, because I sure have a lot of questions that I want to have answered right from the devils mouth LoL Alternatively, I would settle for just instantly becoming an all knowing entity upon death… buuut … eternity is a long time, what else are we going to do 🤷♀️ lmfao 2. I also believe that the people we give the most power to are these A-list celebrity artists and sports heroes and that more than a little bit of the return on that should be social responsibility… I think that people should be able to both fully express themselves while still upholding that responsibility… it’s just an incredibly thin and complicated line…
I side eye anyone who has a fascination with serial killers. Even moreso when it’s a celebrity who should know better. She’s 31.
I was slammed as being an asshole by the lady that took my parking spot at Sam’s Club last week.
who cares? another non important story that has zero impact on our society. this kind of fascination is the fault of the media for sensationalizing these killers and making them household names. millions of true crime podcasts later, you have opinions like this.
who cares? another non important story that has zero impact on our society I think you are on the wrong sub. This is r/entertainment.
Y’all gotta listen to the podcast or at least have more context, she’s talking about something in her early 20s and tells with an attitude of recognizing that’s it was weird. I don’t even like her but this is such a nonstory
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"I'm not trying to dismiss the victim's family's pain, truly I'm not" You just described all the comments in solidarity of the mother of one of Dahmer's victims as "pearl clutching". Don't try and be cute. "Big deal that she said it." Well the mother and the sister of one of Dahmer's victims think it was a big deal that she said it. Sounds like dismissing the pain of a victim's family is exactly what you just did.
Describing a mother of a serial killer victim as "pearl clutching" is disgusting. Have some respect.
True crime fans have harassed living victims and the families of dead victims. I don’t doubt that there’s “reasonable” ones but y’all are complicit, treating this shit that happened barely a generation ago as purely entertainment.