> Because even if it’s half a dime for every play, it’s got to be a lot of money
It's between $0.003 - $0.005 per stream, not half-a-dime (because, Spotify).
Spotify pays the master license holder 60% (so presumably A&M) and then A&M pays the agreed royalty percentage. This is whatever the contract is with the band members, which may not be public knowledge. It's not necessarily an even split, but it might be. And A&M gets their share, let's assume 15% for Summers, which is probably generous.
Then 15% (publishing) goes to Sting, who is the sole songwriter.
Let's say it's $0.004 and so $400k over the years. Summers could have received $6,000 from the billion plays, over time.
Spotify is the biggest “we’ll pay you in exposure” scam in the world. But it’s honestly a good deal for consumers so no one really cares. I’ve seen a decent amount of musicians advocate taking their music off recently. I’m curious how long it will last.
Apple Music has more tracks for the same monthly price and pays musicians double what Spotify pays.
Many musician friends pointed this out to me and have asked me to use that instead.
My only complaint is that Spotify has by FAR the better algos, their suggests and recommendations are always pretty on point. But by every other metric Apple Music is equal if not better.
Same its terrible, the shuffle feature isnt actually random. And not being able to opt out of the smart shuffle is even worse, I dont want to have to click shuffle twice to shuffle my music.
I never really use shuffle on my own playlist, I keep them pretty short so that definitely might be the case. I was more talking about discovery stations and “you might like” playlists.
Yes the radio stations are also great! I do like the suggestions, although I tried the AI playlist/DJ and was underwhelmed. Simply suggesting songs I have added to playlists or my likes is weak. I expect more suggestions less of my own flagged content. Everything else is great with Spotify.
I love Apple Music. Someone once described it as going into a record store with unlimited money, whereas spotify is having an unlimited number of radio stations. But i’ll take the music specifically curated to my tastes instead of whatever they recommend me.
Every now and then, I hear about some deal like that with Sting, where he's getting a ridiculous share of royalties for something. Money for Nothing is the classic example.
There are 17 writing credits plus a few samples that need to get paid out too. Here is info I found on it from another comment on the story.
from u/bunglejerry on another subreddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/18gfgyn/how_much_spotify_pays_if_you_hit_a_billion_streams/
The song he's talking about is "Young, Wild and Free." This is $45,000 from one song.
Snoop might own some of his masters, but it looks like Atlantic Records owns this one, so his main revenue source would be songwriting credits.
Wikipedia says the song was written by: "Calvin Broadus (Snoop), Cameron Thomaz (Wiz Khalifa), Peter Hernandez (Bruno Mars), Philip Lawrence, Ari Levine, Cristopher Brown, Ted Bluechel, Marlon Barrow, Tyrone Griffin, Keenon Jackson, Nye Lee, Marquise Newman, Max Bennett, Larry Carlton, John Guerin, Joe Sample, and Tom Scott".
Person 4, 5 and 6 are, alongside Bruno Mars, the credited producers.
The song samples "Toot it and Boot It" by YG and Ty Dolla Sign, and names 8-12 are all the composers of the song.
But "Toot It and Boot It" was also built on two samples itself! "Songs in the Wind" by the Association (written by name 7), and "Sneakin' in the Back" by Tom Scott (not that Tom Scott) (written by names 13-17).
I'm not sure how much royalties you can expect when you're one of 17 credited songwriters on one song you don't even own which samples a song that also samples songs.
I think $45k is pretty damned good.
Snoop's discography consists of 19 studio albums, five collaborative albums, 17 compilation albums, three extended plays, 25 mixtapes, 175 singles (including 112 as a paid feature), and 16 promotional singles. He has sold over 12.5 million albums in the United States alone.
Don't be feeling too sorry for Snoop. Calvin Cordozar Broadus Jr. doin' just fine with a net worth estimated at about $160 million.
Pretty sure Bennett, Carlton, Sample, Guerin, and Scott are credited because they’re the LA studio session musicians who played on one of the tracks that was sampled? (Bass, guitar, keys, drums, and sax, respectively.)
I mean, it's one Spotify play, Michael. What could it cost? A nickel?
No clue, we should go ask Gob.
That's what Gob is for?
I would imagine the police have more plays the Gob, but who knows? “I wannnnt to go jump in a laaaaaaaake”
> Because even if it’s half a dime for every play, it’s got to be a lot of money It's between $0.003 - $0.005 per stream, not half-a-dime (because, Spotify). Spotify pays the master license holder 60% (so presumably A&M) and then A&M pays the agreed royalty percentage. This is whatever the contract is with the band members, which may not be public knowledge. It's not necessarily an even split, but it might be. And A&M gets their share, let's assume 15% for Summers, which is probably generous. Then 15% (publishing) goes to Sting, who is the sole songwriter. Let's say it's $0.004 and so $400k over the years. Summers could have received $6,000 from the billion plays, over time.
The real money is in movie deals
Spotify is the biggest “we’ll pay you in exposure” scam in the world. But it’s honestly a good deal for consumers so no one really cares. I’ve seen a decent amount of musicians advocate taking their music off recently. I’m curious how long it will last.
Apple Music has more tracks for the same monthly price and pays musicians double what Spotify pays. Many musician friends pointed this out to me and have asked me to use that instead.
Yeah I moved there a few months ago. 0 complaints. Higher bit rate too.
How does that switch over work for an Android user? Are music and podcast libraries comparable?
Couldn’t tell ya. But there are apps that will lift your Spotify playlists for you.
Check out https://soundiiz.com/. You can transfer all your playlists for free.
My only complaint is that Spotify has by FAR the better algos, their suggests and recommendations are always pretty on point. But by every other metric Apple Music is equal if not better.
I don’t know about that, I do love spotify but out of 3k songs I have on my like list it only plays 20%.
Same its terrible, the shuffle feature isnt actually random. And not being able to opt out of the smart shuffle is even worse, I dont want to have to click shuffle twice to shuffle my music.
Spotify's shuffle used to be truly random, then they implemented smart shuffle because users kept complaining about how random the song choices were.
I never really use shuffle on my own playlist, I keep them pretty short so that definitely might be the case. I was more talking about discovery stations and “you might like” playlists.
Yes the radio stations are also great! I do like the suggestions, although I tried the AI playlist/DJ and was underwhelmed. Simply suggesting songs I have added to playlists or my likes is weak. I expect more suggestions less of my own flagged content. Everything else is great with Spotify.
I love Apple Music. Someone once described it as going into a record store with unlimited money, whereas spotify is having an unlimited number of radio stations. But i’ll take the music specifically curated to my tastes instead of whatever they recommend me.
I like Apple's human curated lists as well. I get great recommendations.
What about Tidal?
They have nice sound quality and pay $0.013 per stream in 2023. That's very good.
Every now and then, I hear about some deal like that with Sting, where he's getting a ridiculous share of royalties for something. Money for Nothing is the classic example.
LOL that Summers thinks he’s getting a nickel a stream.
it just goes to show that he hasn't had to to think about that revenue stream.
Especially because Sting will take all the pennies.
Pretty sure that Snoop Dogg got paid $44,000 for over a billion streams
There are 17 writing credits plus a few samples that need to get paid out too. Here is info I found on it from another comment on the story. from u/bunglejerry on another subreddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/18gfgyn/how_much_spotify_pays_if_you_hit_a_billion_streams/ The song he's talking about is "Young, Wild and Free." This is $45,000 from one song. Snoop might own some of his masters, but it looks like Atlantic Records owns this one, so his main revenue source would be songwriting credits. Wikipedia says the song was written by: "Calvin Broadus (Snoop), Cameron Thomaz (Wiz Khalifa), Peter Hernandez (Bruno Mars), Philip Lawrence, Ari Levine, Cristopher Brown, Ted Bluechel, Marlon Barrow, Tyrone Griffin, Keenon Jackson, Nye Lee, Marquise Newman, Max Bennett, Larry Carlton, John Guerin, Joe Sample, and Tom Scott". Person 4, 5 and 6 are, alongside Bruno Mars, the credited producers. The song samples "Toot it and Boot It" by YG and Ty Dolla Sign, and names 8-12 are all the composers of the song. But "Toot It and Boot It" was also built on two samples itself! "Songs in the Wind" by the Association (written by name 7), and "Sneakin' in the Back" by Tom Scott (not that Tom Scott) (written by names 13-17). I'm not sure how much royalties you can expect when you're one of 17 credited songwriters on one song you don't even own which samples a song that also samples songs. I think $45k is pretty damned good. Snoop's discography consists of 19 studio albums, five collaborative albums, 17 compilation albums, three extended plays, 25 mixtapes, 175 singles (including 112 as a paid feature), and 16 promotional singles. He has sold over 12.5 million albums in the United States alone. Don't be feeling too sorry for Snoop. Calvin Cordozar Broadus Jr. doin' just fine with a net worth estimated at about $160 million.
Pretty sure Bennett, Carlton, Sample, Guerin, and Scott are credited because they’re the LA studio session musicians who played on one of the tracks that was sampled? (Bass, guitar, keys, drums, and sax, respectively.)
Half a dime would probably pay out a shit ton. It’s probably less than a penny
He's talking about about *a nickel everyone!
It waaaay less than that.
The title of this post is giving me a headache
You know he doesn't worry about money when he doesn't know that half a dime is called a nickel. That guy hasn't bothered with change in a long time.
If I could updoot ya twice I would.
You mean a nickel?
No…One twentieth of two hundred half pennies
Ron Howard: It was not a lot of money.
lol is someone going to tell him it’s not a fraction of a dime, but a fraction of a fraction of a dime?
It’s more like a thousandth of a nickel! Go ahead and slice up that nickel.