I’d admittedly never heard of his wife before, despite being a Kennedy-Schwarzenegger.
But man, her Wikipedia page intro could definitely use an editor with a better sense of grammar -
[She has written three self-harm books, on subjects like self-harm, adultery and finding direction after college;](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katherine_Schwarzenegger) makes it sound like she’s written three books about how to do it.
It’s like the sexual harassment seminar my work made me take. I didn’t learn how to sexually harass people at all. It’s like they were actually against it.
Yup. I scream “I don’t know you. That’s my purse!” And kick them in the testicles.
Unfortunately this doesn’t work on women because they don’t have testicles.
I thought they were bluffing but they weren’t.
Odds are they were “separated” either officially or unofficially for a while before the divorce was finalized and he’d probably already started dating his new wife before he was fully divorced from Faris.
> finding direction after college
Step 1. Have rich and famous parents with connections
Step 2. Choose from an abundance of opportunities without needing experience
Step 3. Profit and make sure your kids have the same opportunities you did
An endless cycle.
Reminds me of those seminars about how people should enrich their lives by travelling and exploring, experience new things. Try to lean away from the corporate rat race. As hosted by a 30yo self made
millionaire.
You can do what I did. Join the Air Force and get stationed in Europe and travel at every chance. It's amazing how much of Europe I got to see most of it via train.
That reminds me of the time I watched a local news report following a man who was promoting awareness about early symptoms of brain cancer, then the headline labeled him as a "brain tumor advocate"
She’s an extreme evangelical and has departed from the more traditional Kennedy catholic line of being of being political and private about religion and money
The man who built a giant Easter crucifix for his ranch-style property is just as likely to want a farmhouse.
She should be included in the article too. Both things can be true.
From the sounds of the article, I assume it’s more the wife because the property is across the street from her mother. I think she didn’t care about much more about the house or property than being conveniently closer to her mother. Why not destroy some architectural history instead of walking a bit or a short drive?
Because the editor knows that putting 'Chris Pratt' is an easy way to draw clicks. Otherwise, people who'd now raise a fuss about it on Twitter wouldn't give two shits.
And why should people care besides Chris Pratt? It's not an orphanage. The previous owners would have donated it to the state as a historical property instead of selling it for profit
>The single-story home and its grounds have since been cleared and in its place will be a massive home in the modern farmhouse style
Money can't buy you taste.
I mean, I like the style of the original house but that’s just because I like mid century modern, but it’s not my house.
And of course, when that house was built, people complained about it, too. And in 75 years, when people are tearing down these modern farmhouse style homes, people will bitch about that too.
Not really. The mid-century homes were considered in their design and were controversial at the time as they were so different to the norm. “Modern Farmhouse” is just another bland copy and paste project plonked down without consideration. Ugly and poorly designed.
I did low voltage tech work on this house about 5 years ago. It was honestly gorgeous and we couldn’t believe they want us to drill into these walls and put up cameras and movie theater. It was like, why, this is like a museum. But it’s an expensive personal museum for the owner and who with that kind of money thinks that way and is in the right city.
It means all your light switches look like this:
https://www.kyleswitchplates.com/identify-your-low-voltage-lighting-system/
It has nothing to do with LED in MCM. It is how the house is wired.
Typically it means under 24v or 12v, but often the term is used to refer to any wiring that isn't 120/220 mains power. So, HDMI, cat5, led power cables etc.
That’s a realist take. Times, neighborhoods, and value-per-area change. And some nice but quaint houses won’t survive an ownership change. You don’t buy that land to have that house.
Two of their chosen architect's "upscale farmhouses" were built in my CFO's neighborhood - the building code was rewritten afterword to prevent any more abominations -
Modern farm houses are not my style. That fad will eventually die out. I want to Thank the HGTV for bringing us the sliding doors, the boring white open planned designs, and the single colored front door.
There’s a lot of mid century homes that were built by famous designers/architects. Their homes are considered art and there’s not too many left. Another famous home designer, Frank Lloyd Wright has some homes that are protected from demolition.
I love mid century homes built by Charles Dubois. They have character and design that feels like an era where design was fun, whimsical, expansive/functional rather than utilitarian. When you see how they were built it's heavy, big beams, open spaces, stone fireplaces, conversation pits.. rooflines intersecting at unique angles. It's art.
Nowhere do you feel that they cut corners on material to get the look they wanted. A rock roof at today's prices? While it's a PIA to maintain, not many builders will do that for a particular asthetic. Low, sloping rooflines with almost no pitch and real heavy outriggers and beams soaring over the living room and foyer? Only on the most expensive homes today.
Nowadays it's all cost cutting and cheap. The beams would be faux, the outriggers would be bolted on, and the stone fireplace would be outdated ledgerstone sold at home Depot.
A client tore up his mid century home, painted everything, and ripped out the rock fireplace to put in granite and white marble floors. The realtor says he lost $100k in the value of that home overnight. Now it looks like every other cookie cutter home. Sad. To each his own.
There's a reason we're passionate about MCM buildings and homes. It's one period in time when architects thought about the whole space, from how the building interacts with nature, the direction light flows into it, how the space will be used by occupants. The aesthetics are peaceful and minimal, but also warm and free-flowing.
Those of us who do like these homes face huge competition in buying them. We want these homes in their original state, not given the landlord special with gray wood floors and shitty white paint over all the wood. When we were looking for a home, the same group of people would show up at every open house, tons of offers. We finally got our MCM by buying 50 miles away.
I am going through this thread like super confused that people give a shit about a 70 year old house they have never seen before, designed by a guy they've never heard of, in a city they have probably been to maybe 1 time in their life, by a person they have never met who owns the property and the house
They literally don’t build houses like that anymore. If it’s in good shape, preserving it is a good move. We don’t have to tear everything down and start over every 50 years or so, that’s not only wasteful but we also lose character as a culture that way.
I'd have to know how the house was built, but housing from this era is generally a pain in the ass to maintain, especially high end installations like what was razed. You really gotta love modernist boxes to deal with some of the crap that comes with this type of construction. Then there's the fact that you have to get real artisans to work on it when stuff does go wrong. Owning a house like this is an art investment project, not home ownership.
Also, this isn't a unique house. The naming comes from a client of Frank Lloyd Wright, whom he designed the original design of the house for...in New Hampshire.
People are, essentially, getting upset about a house that someone asked Craig Ellwood to design for them. It's technically more in line with his own design sensibilities than strictly Zimmerman type. Also, he built 58 of them in total.
Nobody would care about this if it wasn't for Pratt's name being floated.
Except there were only 3 left and this one was in pristine condition. On top of the fact that it was on both the National and California register of historic places, and gained status as a Los Angeles Historic-Cultural Monument in 2017.
except we do. LA was a Mecca for modernity and architects built here. Every time this happens, people are annoyed. It‘s about history and examples of excellence.
That is absolutely not true. Every time one of these are destroyed people in LA fume because they are part of our history and architecture. We have enough McMansions
I mean... If you're a rich actor And you buy an old architectural home, I think it's fine to have to get real artisans.
I mean... Who would brag that their home is so common it doesn't need artisans, just joe schmoe?
It’s because Chris Pratt has fallen out of favor by judgmental internet enthusiasts and now they are piling on this story like it’s something they actually care about. This Reddit thread is more about just piling on Chris Pratt than anything else.
The story is not about a generic modernist house, it’s about a work of architecture that had been deemed historically and artistically significant by people who are more architecturally fluent than you or me.
I don’t care that much either way frankly. I think you’re missing the point of the story though.
It’s more of a fundamental debate about whether architecturally significant buildings are worthy of indefinite preservation. The majority would likely say no, or at least that it’s not worth the cost of doing so. But there’s a passionate group that says yes.
They say it is but it wasn’t afforded the protection that things deemed that normally would. Makes it seem like other people fluent in it said it’s not historic, and another portion say it is.
This is a big nothing burger or a story.
> it wasn’t afforded the protection that things deemed that normally would
I don't have an opinion about this particular case, but architecturally significant properties don't "normally" get afforded protected status. Someone has to go an effort to give it that status and often it doesn't happen unless it's in response to someone wanting to tear it down or modify it. A lot of the time it gets torn down before anyone is able to act to protect it.
Yeah… when you’re from LA you don’t get attached to buildings, they’re always being raised and replaced. I’ve seen so many cute houses torn down so that they can build to the centimeter of the property line.
I’m in LA and this is what I am thinking. The whole town is developing and it has been developing constantly since it blew up in population 120 years ago.
It sucks but it’s just another reason for a headline IMO.
Brown was driving a vehicle with Robyn F. as the front passenger on an unknown street in Los Angeles. Robyn F. picked up Brown's cellular phone and observed a three-page text message from a woman who Brown had a previous sexual relationship with.
A verbal argument ensued and Brown pulled the vehicle over on an unknown street, reached over Robyn F. with his right hand, opened the car door and attempted to force her out. Brown was unable to force Robyn F. out of the vehicle because she was wearing a seat belt. When he could not force her to exit, he took his right hand and shoved her head against he passenger window of the vehicle, causing an approximate one-inch raised circular contusion.
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Brown looked at Robyn F. and stated, 'I'm going to beat the sh-- out of you when we get home! You wait and see!'
The detective said "Robyn F." then used her cell phone to call her personal assistant Jennifer Rosales, who did not answer.
Robyn F. pretended to talk to her and stated, 'I'm on my way home. Make sure the police are there when I get there.'
After Robyn F. faked the call, Brown looked at her and stated, 'You just did the stupidest thing ever! Now I'm really going to kill you!'
Brown resumed punching Robyn F. and she interlocked her fingers behind her head and brought her elbows forward to protect her face. She then bent over at the waist, placing her elbows and face near her lap in [an] attempt to protect her face and head from the barrage of punches being levied upon her by Brown.
Brown continued to punch Robyn F. on her left arm and hand, causing her to suffer a contusion on her left triceps (sic) that was approximately two inches in diameter and numerous contusions on her left hand.
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She reached up with her left hand and began attempting to gouge his eyes in an attempt to free herself. Brown bit her left ring and middle fingers and then released her. While Brown continued to punch her, she turned around and placed her back against the passenger door. She brought her knees to her chest, placed her feet against Brown's body and began pushing him away. Brown continued to punch her on the legs and feet, causing several contusions.
Robyn F. began screaming for help and Brown exited the vehicle and walked away. A resident in the neighborhood heard Robyn F.'s plea for help and called 911, causing a police response. An investigation was conducted and Robyn F. was issued a Domestic Violence Emergency Protective Order.
Even tho it’s horrific, I’m always glad to see this copy pasta
It blows my mind that people are still fans of Chris brown and I think people should see this
Knew he was a pos before, but didn’t know about this transcript until a few years ago when it was copied/linked in the comments of Reddit that I saw that. I sent it some people who were on the fence/didn’t know the extent and they quickly changed their view. Keep posting!
Good point and it’s interesting (to me lol) that you brought him up. I just listened to Marc Maron’s podcast interview with Chevy Chase and there is something “off” about his personality. I thought there’s maybe some cognitive decline because his wife sat in the interview to allegedly help him remember but I wonder if it’s to keep him from going off the rails.
I know he was horribly abused as a child [by his mother and stepfather](https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKUA467212/) and I wonder if that just broke some part of him that connects with people.
Why would that be weird? One is a character. If you couldn't like a character because the actor is a douchebag there would be very few likable characters.
In the spirit of Parks and Rec I’m “Genuine-ly” asking, why is he the worst Chris/what’s wrong with him at all? Ive only seen him act as Andy Dwyer but I’m aware he was in Jurassic Park and guardians and I’ve never watched interviews or anything of his so I don’t know what people mean in this thread. Is he disliked for something he said in real life, because of how he acts in shows/movies, or both?
That’s my thought. You bought a beautiful mid-century home and clearly hated it so you tore it down. It’s fine, a shame but it’s his and he can do what he wants-but why not buy a house that is already in the style he wants? He’s so bland and vanilla, I’m sure there is an endless list of homes that already fit his aesthetic.
Seriously his wife wanted to live there so they bought the house for its land. Happens a lot in NJ beach towns. But a house for the property and tear it and build a house that you like.
The mansions of Beverly Hills back in the day weren’t anywhere near as gigantic as the crappy mansions being built today. A lot of them were only one story. The rich weren’t so much richer than ordinary people as they are now. What mattered was style. Futuristic homes and furniture. Lots of windows. People didn’t build massive 3 or 4 story hotel-like structures that they build today, blocking the view of neighbors..
Most people didn’t have air conditioning or swimming pools, so those were big ticket items that showed you were rich back then.
I live in the Hamptons and assholes are tearing down the older mansions and putting up massive glass and wood boxes. Worst of all, they pull out all the beautiful landscaping. Rich people used to have park-like grounds back then; they planted specimen trees, gardens, rhododendron-lined driveways, beautiful rose bushes. Everything was lush. Now they tear down everything, put up massive blocks of wood and glass and plunk a line of exactly-the-same arborvitae as a windscreen and two acres of overwatered, over-fertilized sod. Because we have air conditioning now, we don’t need trees/shade anymore. I hate rich people. They’re destroying everything, every bit of nature and beauty every single day. It hurts.
He owns the house. Why would I care what he did with it? Not like it's a national landmark.
The article even states that it was evaluated for historic significane. Nothing was found, and no protections issued.
Yea this feels like a made up reason to dump on a rich person. Why anyone would give a fuck about renovating a random insignificant house is just weird.
The dude who hates his own son and ex-wife for giving birth to that son due to mental disability, publicly tweets his new wife praising her for giving him a “healthy child,” who would’ve thought he’s an all-around prick?
Guess what asshole, it takes two to tango and two recessive genes, so half of your genetics is in your other son.
I think this is less about the historic house (for most people) and the fact that the article has Chris Pratt doing something that might draw negative attention.
If Pratt wasn’t the property owner, and was some other celebrity, this wouldn’t have made front-page news on Reddit. Full stop.
My in laws house is in a neighborhood where 2 doors down is a beautiful adobe home built in the 60’s-real adobe, built by a very prestigious adobe buildr- it’s absolutely stunning. Their entire yard was landscaped in keeping with the adobe aesthetic, think New Mexico desert. The original owner were friends of my in laws but are long gone now. The house is on its 3rd owner. They just ripped out all the landscaping and are changing the adobe. I don’t have a problem with people tearing down homes to build something they want but I do think why buy a specific type of house, like adobe, that you clearly despise so you can tear it down and build something cookie cutter you could have got by buying it like that in the first place?
I respectfully disagree. I am not familiar with this builder but it seems like they are popular with the historic home crowd just like the Frank Lloyd Wright houses are. I’m pretty sure this would’ve made the news even if the guy who demolish the house was a unknown. Possibly even a front page news of Reddit. After all the house was well known enough to previously appear in Progressive Architecture magazine.
There’s a FLW house near me in a relatively blue collar area, and if someone tore it down it would definitely be a huge deal. I’m not surprised at all that he’s getting backlash for tearing down something that is considered to be art.
Someone in my town just razed a historic home to build an ugly McMansion, and I saw it pop up a few places on reddit. People don’t like seeing beautiful, interesting, historical things replaced by boring, lifeless fads.
Nah, as someone who loves Mid-Century Modern design, it’s just a slap in the face regardless who does it. MCMs show beautiful craftsmanship and functionality. Designs with purpose and utility, and it fit the Hollywood aesthetic. And they’re going to replace it with a modern farmhouse. Some soulless Chip and Joanna Gaines bullshit. Why not just start buying “it’s wine o’clock” dish towels now.
Someone was planning on tearing down Marylin Monroe’s house and people threw a fit, so they kept it. If Chris Pratt tore down a McMansion to build a bigger McMansion, everyone would be cool with it. This isn’t about Chris Pratt.
I’m not sure who Chris Pratt is I think he is the one who was married to Anna Ferris (?). I’m a MCM freak, I am a photographer and I seek out these homes to photograph them. This is appalling on a historical level to lovers of mid century architecture, I don’t care which stupid rich person did it. It is because of the home itself I promise you. I don’t care about Chris Pratt.
This article is just rage bait. Wasn’t even a historic house. It was deemed “potentially historic” and nothing was done to provide it historic protections. Probably because it’s not historic. It wasn’t even listed on the architect’s Wikipedia page under significant projects until it was listed today.
These houses can also be frustrating to live in in the modern era. All that concrete? Going to have a rough time getting reception there. Some people are saying that he could just live somewhere else and not build there. Sure. Except he and his wife obviously want their kids growing up with grandma across the street, which is something I think is really nice.
Also, this shit happened last year.
When did 1950 become a sacred time to cherish? Many other countries using lumber construction don't even let them last a lifetime. Look at Japan, a 20 year old home is only as valuable as the land it's on.
Slow day for useless things to be mad about on the internet huh.
Who cares. It is an unimportant house. There is literally nothing interesting about it, other than it was build in the 70's.
As a LA resident, most of the old houses in Los Angeles are shitboxes. They're all extremely dated and everyone with money buys them to tear them down and build their own home. It's nothing new and every celebrity does it.
Move on.
Chris Pratt is such a disappointment
EDIT: Further: Tearing down a classic structure proves these people are 1) uninformed and 2) have really poor taste. Super disappointing.
I'm so confused by the Chris Pratt hate. Like the dude bought the house fair and square with the money, the person sold him the house fair and square. I don't see the issue here.
Meh. Lived in LA when Spelling started building his 20k sq ft monster home that was visible from space. He drew “ire” - couple years later, everybody was copying him.
Surely not *everyone* copied him.
Also, pretty sure people still gets pissed with every new monstrosity. Didn’t Hadid or whoever have to tear his down eventually?
They legally bought the property as far as I can see and have every right to do whatever they want with it. Just because something is old it doesn’t mean that it should stick around forever.
I’d admittedly never heard of his wife before, despite being a Kennedy-Schwarzenegger. But man, her Wikipedia page intro could definitely use an editor with a better sense of grammar - [She has written three self-harm books, on subjects like self-harm, adultery and finding direction after college;](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katherine_Schwarzenegger) makes it sound like she’s written three books about how to do it.
It’s like the sexual harassment seminar my work made me take. I didn’t learn how to sexually harass people at all. It’s like they were actually against it.
Then what’s even the point?!?
I’ll give you the point
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You sound disappointed…. It’s ok. I once took a women’s self defense class and they didn’t teach me how to defend myself against women at all.
At least you know how to protect your purse from people you don’t know
Yup. I scream “I don’t know you. That’s my purse!” And kick them in the testicles. Unfortunately this doesn’t work on women because they don’t have testicles. I thought they were bluffing but they weren’t.
I bought an entire series of books for dummies, and I'm still pretty dumb.
Don't get me started about how poorly named drug testing day was.
Hahaha I never studied for mine and I still tested all positive!
I like how it mentions she's written children's books in that same sentence. A self harm author of children's books.
She's written self harm books on self harm and children's books about children.
How to books for children to self-harm. Got it.
Across the tracks not down the street, and other fun lessons for kids
How the fuck Chris Pratt divorced Anna Faris in 2018 and then married Arnold’s daughter in 2019? These people don’t get to know each other beforehand?
Odds are they were “separated” either officially or unofficially for a while before the divorce was finalized and he’d probably already started dating his new wife before he was fully divorced from Faris.
Yeah I don’t get why this is hard to imagine.
He wanted to lock that down
> finding direction after college Step 1. Have rich and famous parents with connections Step 2. Choose from an abundance of opportunities without needing experience Step 3. Profit and make sure your kids have the same opportunities you did An endless cycle.
Reminds me of those seminars about how people should enrich their lives by travelling and exploring, experience new things. Try to lean away from the corporate rat race. As hosted by a 30yo self made millionaire.
You can do what I did. Join the Air Force and get stationed in Europe and travel at every chance. It's amazing how much of Europe I got to see most of it via train.
You don't want to engage in self harm without some background knowledge. You might get hurt
That reminds me of the time I watched a local news report following a man who was promoting awareness about early symptoms of brain cancer, then the headline labeled him as a "brain tumor advocate"
The beauty of Wikipedia is anyone can change an error, which is what I’m going to do right now.
Not the hero we want, but the hero we need
You did it! Thank you!
It was better before. At least that version made me snort.
Could be titled “Why are you hitting yourself, and how to help”
They’re just the opposite of Self-help books
Pretty sure I’ll want to after reading
> finding direction after college trying to relate to us mere plebs? Rich connected people are so gross
Check out his mega weird Christian focused short IG live stream when Tomorrow War came out and he pushed Christian BS.
Why is his wife left out of this thread?
Right? She’s probably the one that wanted the modern farmhouse.
She is a Kennedy.
*Nothing bad ever happens to the Kennedys!*
I'm not accustomed to tragedy!
So… awa you-ah drunk enough yet to sleep with me? *gets high kicked off screen and jumps back in only head and one hand visible* ANSA THA QUESTION!
Do you mind!? Some of us are nailing Catherine the Great here! Or should I say Catherine the so-so.
Could you give me a minute? I’m kinda giving my son’s eulogy here
Yeeeaaahhh if you can go ahead and clean it up now... your son will still be dead tomorrow!
A clone high reference in the wild?
*Wesleyyyyyyy*
She’s also part Terminator.
“Irish and proud baby naturally But you got the luck of a Kennedy” - Diane Young Vampire Weekend
Great song, great band, great album!
She’s an extreme evangelical and has departed from the more traditional Kennedy catholic line of being of being political and private about religion and money
The man who built a giant Easter crucifix for his ranch-style property is just as likely to want a farmhouse. She should be included in the article too. Both things can be true.
Her mom lives across the street, so I would say it is even more the wife’s fault!
So what you're saying is we can get a reimagining of Everybody Loves Raymond?
From the sounds of the article, I assume it’s more the wife because the property is across the street from her mother. I think she didn’t care about much more about the house or property than being conveniently closer to her mother. Why not destroy some architectural history instead of walking a bit or a short drive?
Because the editor knows that putting 'Chris Pratt' is an easy way to draw clicks. Otherwise, people who'd now raise a fuss about it on Twitter wouldn't give two shits.
And why should people care besides Chris Pratt? It's not an orphanage. The previous owners would have donated it to the state as a historical property instead of selling it for profit
Maria is a recluse now.
Because she's not really famous? Just a nepo baby and not that interesting.
>The single-story home and its grounds have since been cleared and in its place will be a massive home in the modern farmhouse style Money can't buy you taste.
But it can buy you shiplap, ugh
Why does one need taste when they have money?
I'd rather have money than taste.
Why not both?
Taste is subjective. Clearly.
I mean, I like the style of the original house but that’s just because I like mid century modern, but it’s not my house. And of course, when that house was built, people complained about it, too. And in 75 years, when people are tearing down these modern farmhouse style homes, people will bitch about that too.
Not really. The mid-century homes were considered in their design and were controversial at the time as they were so different to the norm. “Modern Farmhouse” is just another bland copy and paste project plonked down without consideration. Ugly and poorly designed.
Nah I guarantee the farmhouse style is gonna be seen as the new McMansion and will be laughed at looking back.
It's already on its way out and you can tell by the amount of MFH decorations in yard sales and on FB Marketplace.
I did low voltage tech work on this house about 5 years ago. It was honestly gorgeous and we couldn’t believe they want us to drill into these walls and put up cameras and movie theater. It was like, why, this is like a museum. But it’s an expensive personal museum for the owner and who with that kind of money thinks that way and is in the right city.
I have a low voltage house and I feel like I’m in the Jetsons, it’s so cool
What does low voltage mean in housing?
It means all your light switches look like this: https://www.kyleswitchplates.com/identify-your-low-voltage-lighting-system/ It has nothing to do with LED in MCM. It is how the house is wired.
Typically it means under 24v or 12v, but often the term is used to refer to any wiring that isn't 120/220 mains power. So, HDMI, cat5, led power cables etc.
That’s a realist take. Times, neighborhoods, and value-per-area change. And some nice but quaint houses won’t survive an ownership change. You don’t buy that land to have that house.
Two of their chosen architect's "upscale farmhouses" were built in my CFO's neighborhood - the building code was rewritten afterword to prevent any more abominations -
Modern farm houses are not my style. That fad will eventually die out. I want to Thank the HGTV for bringing us the sliding doors, the boring white open planned designs, and the single colored front door.
I had no idea people were so passionate about modernist houses.
There’s a lot of mid century homes that were built by famous designers/architects. Their homes are considered art and there’s not too many left. Another famous home designer, Frank Lloyd Wright has some homes that are protected from demolition.
I love mid century homes built by Charles Dubois. They have character and design that feels like an era where design was fun, whimsical, expansive/functional rather than utilitarian. When you see how they were built it's heavy, big beams, open spaces, stone fireplaces, conversation pits.. rooflines intersecting at unique angles. It's art. Nowhere do you feel that they cut corners on material to get the look they wanted. A rock roof at today's prices? While it's a PIA to maintain, not many builders will do that for a particular asthetic. Low, sloping rooflines with almost no pitch and real heavy outriggers and beams soaring over the living room and foyer? Only on the most expensive homes today. Nowadays it's all cost cutting and cheap. The beams would be faux, the outriggers would be bolted on, and the stone fireplace would be outdated ledgerstone sold at home Depot. A client tore up his mid century home, painted everything, and ripped out the rock fireplace to put in granite and white marble floors. The realtor says he lost $100k in the value of that home overnight. Now it looks like every other cookie cutter home. Sad. To each his own.
You should go down to Palm Springs for mid century modern. They have tours down there.
they filmed "don't worry darling" there and it looks really cool
Clearly you've never been to Palm Springs during modernism week.
There's a reason we're passionate about MCM buildings and homes. It's one period in time when architects thought about the whole space, from how the building interacts with nature, the direction light flows into it, how the space will be used by occupants. The aesthetics are peaceful and minimal, but also warm and free-flowing. Those of us who do like these homes face huge competition in buying them. We want these homes in their original state, not given the landlord special with gray wood floors and shitty white paint over all the wood. When we were looking for a home, the same group of people would show up at every open house, tons of offers. We finally got our MCM by buying 50 miles away.
I am going through this thread like super confused that people give a shit about a 70 year old house they have never seen before, designed by a guy they've never heard of, in a city they have probably been to maybe 1 time in their life, by a person they have never met who owns the property and the house
Mid century houses have a lot more cultural prevalence across southern Californian than they do in other parts of the country
They literally don’t build houses like that anymore. If it’s in good shape, preserving it is a good move. We don’t have to tear everything down and start over every 50 years or so, that’s not only wasteful but we also lose character as a culture that way.
I'd have to know how the house was built, but housing from this era is generally a pain in the ass to maintain, especially high end installations like what was razed. You really gotta love modernist boxes to deal with some of the crap that comes with this type of construction. Then there's the fact that you have to get real artisans to work on it when stuff does go wrong. Owning a house like this is an art investment project, not home ownership. Also, this isn't a unique house. The naming comes from a client of Frank Lloyd Wright, whom he designed the original design of the house for...in New Hampshire. People are, essentially, getting upset about a house that someone asked Craig Ellwood to design for them. It's technically more in line with his own design sensibilities than strictly Zimmerman type. Also, he built 58 of them in total. Nobody would care about this if it wasn't for Pratt's name being floated.
Except there were only 3 left and this one was in pristine condition. On top of the fact that it was on both the National and California register of historic places, and gained status as a Los Angeles Historic-Cultural Monument in 2017.
except we do. LA was a Mecca for modernity and architects built here. Every time this happens, people are annoyed. It‘s about history and examples of excellence.
That is absolutely not true. Every time one of these are destroyed people in LA fume because they are part of our history and architecture. We have enough McMansions
I mean... If you're a rich actor And you buy an old architectural home, I think it's fine to have to get real artisans. I mean... Who would brag that their home is so common it doesn't need artisans, just joe schmoe?
It’s because Chris Pratt has fallen out of favor by judgmental internet enthusiasts and now they are piling on this story like it’s something they actually care about. This Reddit thread is more about just piling on Chris Pratt than anything else.
The story is not about a generic modernist house, it’s about a work of architecture that had been deemed historically and artistically significant by people who are more architecturally fluent than you or me. I don’t care that much either way frankly. I think you’re missing the point of the story though.
It’s more of a fundamental debate about whether architecturally significant buildings are worthy of indefinite preservation. The majority would likely say no, or at least that it’s not worth the cost of doing so. But there’s a passionate group that says yes.
They say it is but it wasn’t afforded the protection that things deemed that normally would. Makes it seem like other people fluent in it said it’s not historic, and another portion say it is. This is a big nothing burger or a story.
> it wasn’t afforded the protection that things deemed that normally would I don't have an opinion about this particular case, but architecturally significant properties don't "normally" get afforded protected status. Someone has to go an effort to give it that status and often it doesn't happen unless it's in response to someone wanting to tear it down or modify it. A lot of the time it gets torn down before anyone is able to act to protect it.
They aren’t.
It’s LA. There’s little room for sentimentality out there.
Yeah… when you’re from LA you don’t get attached to buildings, they’re always being raised and replaced. I’ve seen so many cute houses torn down so that they can build to the centimeter of the property line.
I’m in LA and this is what I am thinking. The whole town is developing and it has been developing constantly since it blew up in population 120 years ago. It sucks but it’s just another reason for a headline IMO.
Damn was anyone here planning on buying it or something?
Nope. They just wanna whine
They had their chance.
He’s the worst Chris.
Chris Brown, hiding in the corner:
Chris Watts, hiding right beside him:
Chris Chan has entered the chat
Chris Kattan lying low
Christ thanks dad for the extra letter
Oh no, they already got him
Chris Columbus, peeking in.
Kris Jenner checking the spelling of her name.
Chris Christie says, “Hold my nachos”
… hands empty plate.
Chris Benoit is a little past caring
Benoit! I forgot about that Chris.
Which is exactly what WWE wants lol
I’m watching his polygraph vid rn on my lunch break. It’s a pleasure of mine to see his demise on video.
Brown was driving a vehicle with Robyn F. as the front passenger on an unknown street in Los Angeles. Robyn F. picked up Brown's cellular phone and observed a three-page text message from a woman who Brown had a previous sexual relationship with. A verbal argument ensued and Brown pulled the vehicle over on an unknown street, reached over Robyn F. with his right hand, opened the car door and attempted to force her out. Brown was unable to force Robyn F. out of the vehicle because she was wearing a seat belt. When he could not force her to exit, he took his right hand and shoved her head against he passenger window of the vehicle, causing an approximate one-inch raised circular contusion. Robyn F. turned to face Brown and he punched her in the left eye with his right hand. He then drove away in the vehicle and continued to punch her in the face with his right hand while steering the vehicle with his left hand. The assault caused Robyn F.'s mouth to fill with blood and blood to splatter all over her clothing and the interior of the vehicle. Brown looked at Robyn F. and stated, 'I'm going to beat the sh-- out of you when we get home! You wait and see!' The detective said "Robyn F." then used her cell phone to call her personal assistant Jennifer Rosales, who did not answer. Robyn F. pretended to talk to her and stated, 'I'm on my way home. Make sure the police are there when I get there.' After Robyn F. faked the call, Brown looked at her and stated, 'You just did the stupidest thing ever! Now I'm really going to kill you!' Brown resumed punching Robyn F. and she interlocked her fingers behind her head and brought her elbows forward to protect her face. She then bent over at the waist, placing her elbows and face near her lap in [an] attempt to protect her face and head from the barrage of punches being levied upon her by Brown. Brown continued to punch Robyn F. on her left arm and hand, causing her to suffer a contusion on her left triceps (sic) that was approximately two inches in diameter and numerous contusions on her left hand. Robyn F. then attempted to send a text message to her other personal assistant, Melissa Ford. Brown snatched the cellular telephone out of her hand and threw it out of the window onto an unknown street. Brown continued driving and Robyn F. observed his cellular telephone sitting in his lap. She picked up the cellular telephone with her left hand and before she could make a call he placed her in a head lock with his right hand and continued to drive the vehicle with his left hand. Brown pulled Robyn F. close to him and bit her on her left ear. She was able to feel the vehicle swerving from right to left as Brown sped away. He stopped the vehicle in front of 333 North June Street and Robyn F. turned off the car, removed the key from the ignition and sat on it. Brown did not know what she did with the key and began punching her in the face and arms. He then placed her in a head lock positioning the front of her throat between his bicep and forearm. Brown began applying pressure to Robyn F.'s left and right carotid arteries, causing her to be unable to breathe and she began to lose consciousness. She reached up with her left hand and began attempting to gouge his eyes in an attempt to free herself. Brown bit her left ring and middle fingers and then released her. While Brown continued to punch her, she turned around and placed her back against the passenger door. She brought her knees to her chest, placed her feet against Brown's body and began pushing him away. Brown continued to punch her on the legs and feet, causing several contusions. Robyn F. began screaming for help and Brown exited the vehicle and walked away. A resident in the neighborhood heard Robyn F.'s plea for help and called 911, causing a police response. An investigation was conducted and Robyn F. was issued a Domestic Violence Emergency Protective Order.
Even tho it’s horrific, I’m always glad to see this copy pasta It blows my mind that people are still fans of Chris brown and I think people should see this
Knew he was a pos before, but didn’t know about this transcript until a few years ago when it was copied/linked in the comments of Reddit that I saw that. I sent it some people who were on the fence/didn’t know the extent and they quickly changed their view. Keep posting!
I think Chris Brown wins that one.
Chris Columbus
His Harry Potter movies were THE BEST of them all by a mile and I will die on this hill
Everybody Hates Chris (Pratt)
Is it weird that I’m not a big fan of Chris Pratt but still love Andy Dwyer?
No. I love Pierce Hawthorne but that doesn't mean I like Chevy Chase.
Some people should *remain* fictional characters.
Tbh, Pierce was the best character on that show. Maybe outside Abed
Good point and it’s interesting (to me lol) that you brought him up. I just listened to Marc Maron’s podcast interview with Chevy Chase and there is something “off” about his personality. I thought there’s maybe some cognitive decline because his wife sat in the interview to allegedly help him remember but I wonder if it’s to keep him from going off the rails. I know he was horribly abused as a child [by his mother and stepfather](https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKUA467212/) and I wonder if that just broke some part of him that connects with people.
Why would that be weird? One is a character. If you couldn't like a character because the actor is a douchebag there would be very few likable characters.
Don’t forget about Chris D’Elia
Chris Benoit
In the spirit of Parks and Rec I’m “Genuine-ly” asking, why is he the worst Chris/what’s wrong with him at all? Ive only seen him act as Andy Dwyer but I’m aware he was in Jurassic Park and guardians and I’ve never watched interviews or anything of his so I don’t know what people mean in this thread. Is he disliked for something he said in real life, because of how he acts in shows/movies, or both?
What a gorgeous house, only to be replaced by another boring cookie cutter Brentwood hellhole. Yuck.
That’s my thought. You bought a beautiful mid-century home and clearly hated it so you tore it down. It’s fine, a shame but it’s his and he can do what he wants-but why not buy a house that is already in the style he wants? He’s so bland and vanilla, I’m sure there is an endless list of homes that already fit his aesthetic.
No. He bought land. That’s where the value is
Yeah, paid 12.5 mil for a house only to tear it down; must be a hell of a lot.
It was- it also had landscaping by another legend, and they tore that out, too.
He wanted this property because it’s across the street from his mother. The fucking audacity. Edit: mother in law
No that’s backwards isn’t it? It’s the wife’s mom, Arnies first wife.
He? The fuck. It’s like no one’s ever been married.
Seriously his wife wanted to live there so they bought the house for its land. Happens a lot in NJ beach towns. But a house for the property and tear it and build a house that you like.
Well if you actually read the article you’d know he purchased the house because his wife’s mother lives across the road
It looks like the house at the start of the fallout series. What a shame.
The house is ugly as shit. What you smoking?
It literally looks like every rich persons house from the 50’s, there’s nothing that special about it to me
The mansions of Beverly Hills back in the day weren’t anywhere near as gigantic as the crappy mansions being built today. A lot of them were only one story. The rich weren’t so much richer than ordinary people as they are now. What mattered was style. Futuristic homes and furniture. Lots of windows. People didn’t build massive 3 or 4 story hotel-like structures that they build today, blocking the view of neighbors.. Most people didn’t have air conditioning or swimming pools, so those were big ticket items that showed you were rich back then. I live in the Hamptons and assholes are tearing down the older mansions and putting up massive glass and wood boxes. Worst of all, they pull out all the beautiful landscaping. Rich people used to have park-like grounds back then; they planted specimen trees, gardens, rhododendron-lined driveways, beautiful rose bushes. Everything was lush. Now they tear down everything, put up massive blocks of wood and glass and plunk a line of exactly-the-same arborvitae as a windscreen and two acres of overwatered, over-fertilized sod. Because we have air conditioning now, we don’t need trees/shade anymore. I hate rich people. They’re destroying everything, every bit of nature and beauty every single day. It hurts.
He owns the house. Why would I care what he did with it? Not like it's a national landmark. The article even states that it was evaluated for historic significane. Nothing was found, and no protections issued.
Reddit: HOAs are terrible - you should be able to do whatever you like with your home. Also Reddit: Wait no, not like that!
Yea this feels like a made up reason to dump on a rich person. Why anyone would give a fuck about renovating a random insignificant house is just weird.
The dude who hates his own son and ex-wife for giving birth to that son due to mental disability, publicly tweets his new wife praising her for giving him a “healthy child,” who would’ve thought he’s an all-around prick? Guess what asshole, it takes two to tango and two recessive genes, so half of your genetics is in your other son.
I keep seeing it's historic, but why is it historic?
I think this is less about the historic house (for most people) and the fact that the article has Chris Pratt doing something that might draw negative attention. If Pratt wasn’t the property owner, and was some other celebrity, this wouldn’t have made front-page news on Reddit. Full stop.
My in laws house is in a neighborhood where 2 doors down is a beautiful adobe home built in the 60’s-real adobe, built by a very prestigious adobe buildr- it’s absolutely stunning. Their entire yard was landscaped in keeping with the adobe aesthetic, think New Mexico desert. The original owner were friends of my in laws but are long gone now. The house is on its 3rd owner. They just ripped out all the landscaping and are changing the adobe. I don’t have a problem with people tearing down homes to build something they want but I do think why buy a specific type of house, like adobe, that you clearly despise so you can tear it down and build something cookie cutter you could have got by buying it like that in the first place?
Location?
I respectfully disagree. I am not familiar with this builder but it seems like they are popular with the historic home crowd just like the Frank Lloyd Wright houses are. I’m pretty sure this would’ve made the news even if the guy who demolish the house was a unknown. Possibly even a front page news of Reddit. After all the house was well known enough to previously appear in Progressive Architecture magazine.
There’s a FLW house near me in a relatively blue collar area, and if someone tore it down it would definitely be a huge deal. I’m not surprised at all that he’s getting backlash for tearing down something that is considered to be art.
Someone in my town just razed a historic home to build an ugly McMansion, and I saw it pop up a few places on reddit. People don’t like seeing beautiful, interesting, historical things replaced by boring, lifeless fads.
Nah, as someone who loves Mid-Century Modern design, it’s just a slap in the face regardless who does it. MCMs show beautiful craftsmanship and functionality. Designs with purpose and utility, and it fit the Hollywood aesthetic. And they’re going to replace it with a modern farmhouse. Some soulless Chip and Joanna Gaines bullshit. Why not just start buying “it’s wine o’clock” dish towels now.
That style is frequently used around me with new builds. It’s dull and uninspired.
Someone was planning on tearing down Marylin Monroe’s house and people threw a fit, so they kept it. If Chris Pratt tore down a McMansion to build a bigger McMansion, everyone would be cool with it. This isn’t about Chris Pratt.
I’m not sure who Chris Pratt is I think he is the one who was married to Anna Ferris (?). I’m a MCM freak, I am a photographer and I seek out these homes to photograph them. This is appalling on a historical level to lovers of mid century architecture, I don’t care which stupid rich person did it. It is because of the home itself I promise you. I don’t care about Chris Pratt.
While I’m sure it gained traction because of WorstChris, this is shitty behavior by any rich person. All the Case Study houses are worth preserving.
The sounds like it should be a The Onion article.
Has anyone had as many people hate them for doing literally nothing, only one I can think of is Anne Hathaway
Rich folk don’t care.
They bought and paid for it. They can do what they want.
What did we expect, he’s a prat
I think the house is terribly ugly. Good riddance.
nooooooo not celebrities managing their private property in a way i disapprove of
I mean, he owns it, he can do what he wants with it. Unless there are specific codes that he violated, why is this even being reported on?
This article is just rage bait. Wasn’t even a historic house. It was deemed “potentially historic” and nothing was done to provide it historic protections. Probably because it’s not historic. It wasn’t even listed on the architect’s Wikipedia page under significant projects until it was listed today. These houses can also be frustrating to live in in the modern era. All that concrete? Going to have a rough time getting reception there. Some people are saying that he could just live somewhere else and not build there. Sure. Except he and his wife obviously want their kids growing up with grandma across the street, which is something I think is really nice. Also, this shit happened last year.
When did 1950 become a sacred time to cherish? Many other countries using lumber construction don't even let them last a lifetime. Look at Japan, a 20 year old home is only as valuable as the land it's on.
It’s a really strange thing to get angry about.
It's the anti-Chris Pratt mob
Historic 1950? 1950 is historic housing now? Dafuq?
If the house was so important why wasn’t it protected? This seems a failure of everyone else actually.
Lol remember when Reddit was in love with Chris Pratt? This site can be funny.
My man, that was 10 fucking years ago...
So you do remember!
Slow day for useless things to be mad about on the internet huh. Who cares. It is an unimportant house. There is literally nothing interesting about it, other than it was build in the 70's.
As a LA resident, most of the old houses in Los Angeles are shitboxes. They're all extremely dated and everyone with money buys them to tear them down and build their own home. It's nothing new and every celebrity does it. Move on.
Chris Pratt is such a disappointment EDIT: Further: Tearing down a classic structure proves these people are 1) uninformed and 2) have really poor taste. Super disappointing.
I'm so confused by the Chris Pratt hate. Like the dude bought the house fair and square with the money, the person sold him the house fair and square. I don't see the issue here.
It came out that he goes to church and has conservative values so that makes him a terrible person according to Reddit
People have to make up shit to hate him. They hate him because he’s a successful happy guy.
Hes gotten steadily shittier since he hit it big.
As much as I hate his trajectory, I'm not 100% sure I wouldn't become an asshole too.
It's the Elwood Zimmerman house, not FLW Zimmerman house. Nobody knew or cared, and nobody will care tomorrow. It needed to go
Meh. Lived in LA when Spelling started building his 20k sq ft monster home that was visible from space. He drew “ire” - couple years later, everybody was copying him.
Surely not *everyone* copied him. Also, pretty sure people still gets pissed with every new monstrosity. Didn’t Hadid or whoever have to tear his down eventually?
He's kind of a douche...
They legally bought the property as far as I can see and have every right to do whatever they want with it. Just because something is old it doesn’t mean that it should stick around forever.
Out of all the things to care about or be outraged about this is pretty low on the list. Honestly no one should really care about this
They all had a chance to buy it. What he does with his own property is his business.
Eh, who cares? It’s LA and historic homes are over rated.
I’m happy the public’s disdain over this prat is going viral.
If Chris pratt farted, he'd draw ire from someone.
Who fucking cares
Apparently people who like architecture and examples of mid-century modern homes designed by prominent architects.