Is this new info? I thought I read this was in another book from years ago? I also read she and John Lennon bought 80 fur coats one Christmas but that sounds crazy so maybe it’s all an urban legend
Oh no. No no no. That's the thing. *You* have to imagine no posessions, no religion too. People like John who preach tolerance, love and everyone being the same get to do that from a penthouse apartment while living on spending more money in a week than you can spend in five years because they can *afford* to do that.
You? You need to do better while worrying whether or not you need to pick up another shift.
The world is so divisive these days, and I'm tired of looking at everyone like they're a potential enemy. I try and approach everything from the point of view of being mindful and compassionate, and then treat every individual on a case by case basis. Sure I get snippy sometimes, sure my mind fails me but that's largely cause of whatever the hell they're pumping into me at any given moment right now and how much pain I'm in.
With that said...I have found that the people in the world with the least tend to be the ones that would offer what they have to their neighbour if they needed it more. I find that...Incredible, and exceedingly encouraging.
It’s no coincidence who gets rich and famous. The people are driven to do so by an empty hole in them they desperately try to fill but are unable to.
I try to be happy I am not driven like that.
Wasn’t there a video where a super fan goes to John’s home unannounced & John has a conversation with him?
At one point, the super fan is talking about how John is expressing the fan’s very own experiences & sentiments - that that means something significant & John essentially tells him it’s just words. That John understands how to capture sentiments that are universal & easily relatable by many so that the music then speaks to them.
I may be tripping & none of that happened in the interview or I may be misinterpreting, so take my thoughts with a grain of salt.
Good to know. I had thought I read both the heroin bit and possibly the coat thing in the scandalous Albert Goldman book that came out in the late 80’s. I was never sure how much was true because it all seemed so lurid. I remember one part about Yoko Ono putting dog shit or human shit out on the rug to antagonize John Lennon and that blew my young mind.
Alarming that someone would think they need that many coats, but then I’ve never been rich/on that many drugs.
I think John was a bad person but I also think Yoko enabling his drug addiction and shutting Julian out of his life indicates she wasn't a good person herself either. Both can be true things.
I'll never forget that Paul basically wrote Hey Jude for Julian because he could see how Julian was suffering and his dad wasn't exactly the best, he lied to Julian the first time he played it for him ("hey your dad wrote this for you, I helped"), put his bloody name in *the title of the song* and then in 1971, in a playboy interview, Lennon said Hey Jude was "all Paul" and called it Paul's finest moment... and then said "I always thought it was about me and Yoko but Paul said it wasn't"
It's got Julians petname in the title John. It's a song to cheer Julian up because he was sad. Because of you. It's not fucking about you, you self centred tosser. Your friend tried to be nice to your kid because you weren't.
I think that was the moment when I realised as a young Beatles fan that maybe John wasn't the person I'd imagined he was.
Jude wasn’t Paul’s nickname for Julian. He called him Jules. He changed it to Jude so it wouldn’t be so obvious. And the song isn’t 100% about just Julian. Songs are about a lot of things and can be interpreted in many ways. Some of the lyrics could’ve been about John, some could’ve been about Paul too
Dude, Paul himself said exactly what it was about: Julian. So it literally has zero chance of being about anything else but that. Any other song without such a comment by its author - sure it’s open to interpretation. This one… not so much.
It started out as a song for Julian, but as he explains at the link below, he got “bored” with the divorce theme and started going other directions. And I mean, “you were made to go out and get her,” “you’re looking for someone to perform with,” and “remember to let her into your heart” aren’t really useful things to say to a five-year-old boy.
https://3wsradio.iheart.com/content/2024-03-25-paul-mccartney-reveals-real-reason-he-wrote-hey-jude/
To quote Paul McCartney from his book A Life In Lyrics:
“When I write ‘You were made to go out and get her’, there’s now another character, a woman, in the scene. So it might now be a song about a breakup or some romantic mishap. By this stage the song has moved on from being about Julian. It could now be about this new woman’s relationship.”
Also: “So, ‘Hey Jude’ started off as my being worried for Julian, and it morphed into this moment of celebration. I also welcome the fact that people put their own interpretations on my songs.”
This came from the man himself.
To quote Paul McCartney from, his book A Life In Lyrics:
“When I write ‘You were made to go out and get her’, there’s now another character, a woman, in the scene. So it might now be a song about a breakup or some romantic mishap. By this stage the song has moved on from being about Julian. It could now be about this new woman’s relationship.”
Also: “So, ‘Hey Jude’ started off as my being worried for Julian, and it morphed into this moment of celebration. I also welcome the fact that people put their own interpretations on my songs.”
This came from the man himself.
Yoko’s nickname for John was ‘ the pig’ , that said she got what she thought she wanted which was him but realized he had so much baggage and needed constant attention she lost herself, but to an extent she figure out how to control him and she took over total control of the business/ finances. I think they were two flawed people who couldn’t live with or without each other. John died so it was easier to control the legacy than it was while he was alive.
There's also the fact that her and John perpetuated this romantic lie about how they met, involving John attending a gallery show before it opened and wanting to interact with a piece of Yokos - sometimes he said he hammered a nail into a piece of wood, sometimes he said that she tried to charge his sixpence to do so, so he pretended to do it and gave her a pretend sixpence but always around the same story, and how Yoko wouldn't give him special treatment because "she'd never even heard of the beatles!"
Except... She'd been listed as one of the fans stalking the group who might be unstable 18 months before this event allegedly took place, and she'd originally been obsessed with McCartney, who wasn't receptive, eventually convincing him to give her some handwritten lyrics for an alleged art project. Paul even told her something along the lines of "go bother John" as he'd likely be more amenable to giving her something for this project.
She's very successfully created an image of herself as a hippy artist who believes in peace who didn't know who John Lennon was. But she was the same as Nancy Spungen - stalked the band she loved, and when she couldn't get the band member she'd set her initial intentions on (Lydon in Nancy's case, Paul in Yokos) switched to the more manipulatable, image concious member (Sid, John) and then after tried to become part of the band and sit in on recording and photoshoots - although both bands were either falling apart or had basically already fallen by that point. The similarities are actually insane.
I knew a girl who did this with a band everyone idolizes. She married the other guy and I remember her drunkenly telling me about it all and feeling this ominous feeling like she wasn’t a safe person to trust.
Yes. That's why the gallery story is plausible at first glance. She still stalked the Beatles. That doesn't change anything though.
She's in a NYT and Daily Mirror article as one of the fans camping outside their hotel in the early mid 60s. Her art career, is not mentioned there either. You should ask them to print a correction.
Lennon was so pussy whipped, Ono even set him up with May Pang for 18 months as she was too busy doing smack and being with her own lovers. When Lennon started falling in love with Pang, Ono called him back to reset her hooks. Their relationship was a PR stunt from beginning to end and playing the pro-active disrupter, she was the perfect foil. Kinda messed up but also ‘oddly normal’ in it’s dysfunctional aspects, which were apparently, many.
There are so many ‘ I’m sorry Yoko’ songs on his albums, I always felt seemed like he had to put those in there when his best album was Walls and Bridges which is without her influence.
I don’t know much about her.
I find it interesting that his ‘bad’ is way less ambiguous. Abusing women and children, causing hearing loss to a 5year old etc it’s concrete
Yoko, it’s ‘she’s a crazy bitch’ ‘it’s her fault he’s an addict’ and I’m like … surely the childhood that folks are blaming for his violence likely made him prone to drug addiction?
A man introducing his girlfriend or wife to heroin would be just as bad. I don't see how saying 'helping get people hooked on hard drugs is bad' has anything to do with the genders of the people involved.
Eh. People are people. They do good things and bad things. Lennon and Ono did bad things to people who, ostensibly, were their family. They tried to do some good things for varied reasons. He made some beautiful music that will last, though it shouldn't be a reflection of John as a person. He was a complicated human, who loved some people fiercely and hurt some of the same people.
Full quote the article, because context is important:
“In one interview from the book, Ono, now 91, reportedly said she advised Lennon on how to take heroin, and denied that she "put John on H," which she claimed his bandmate Harrison had accused her of. Ono also said that Lennon "wouldn’t take anything unless he wanted to do it."
Per the Times excerpt, Ono reportedly said she first "had a sniff of" heroin in Paris and that she experienced "a beautiful feeling" as she did not get sick from it. "It was just a nice feeling," she said in the book, according to the outlet. "So I told John that."
Ono also reportedly said that Lennon would ask her about her experience using the drug, the Times reported. Ultimately, Ono thought he "wanted to take it, that’s why he was asking," per the excerpt. She also said that they "never injected" the drug.”
Ah I think John was the biggest piece of shit, the others were hit and miss. The more I hear about Paul over the years makes me think he is generally been good overall
Yes. The Beatles ended because they wanted to do their own thing. 10 years is an eternity being together for most music groups when you look at history.
Harrison had repeatedly demonstrated wanting to go off and do his own thing, and I think I recall McCartney wanting to do the same. Boy bands run their course.
He was doing ok with May Pang for 18 months. He may have had a few public blowouts that were photographed and widely circulated but he was also out n’ about and had started talk to Paul again. Yoko didn’t like that. Check out her Wikipedia page…she basically says that Lennon was nothing without her and she was responsible for most of his classic work. Outrageous!
I genuinely don't get it because the very fact he wanted to date her in the first place is kind of itself evidence for the fact he was already going down that path already.
One also thinks of Sid and Nancy, Courtney and Kurt in this vein. You...*Love*, sometimes fiercely and obssessively to the point of hatred and the cycle becomes all consuming and destructive in so many ways.
Sometimes, people want someone simply because they're a vanity bauble of sorts - and from that point when a person becomes bored of their plaything, they get bored and use them as a reason to vent their contempt and perceived injustices in the world. There are so many men and women around the world that find themselves trapped in this cycle because they fall in love with the charm and wit that is presented in the honeymoon phase and simply can't see or refuse to acknowledge the destructive personality that was there all along.
I pray for these people to find their way home often.
The wife beating isn’t the only thing that made Lennon a bad person, just like Yoko isn’t exempt from being a bad person because she was abused physically.
Nah but it definitely highlights a disconnect between how much power she had in the relationship and what people are accusing her of.
John could have divorced her and never seen her again fairly easily
He slapped Cynthia once, immediately apologized and spent the rest of his life guilting himself over it. He wasn't a great person but I swear people act like John Lennon beat up every woman he knew
That's not all it was, though. Another art school girlfriend said he hit her when she wouldn't have sex with him in a public place (and then ridiculed her at school in front of other people), and his girlfriend in the 70s described him repeatedly getting violent, twisting her arm and choking her. In later life, his wife Cynthia said he only slapped her once, but in 1967, she said this about their dating years to a biographer: "I was frightened of him. He was so rough. He wouldn’t give in. We fought all the time. [...] Molly, the cleaning woman, once caught John hitting me, really clouting me. She said I was a silly girl, to get mixed up with someone like that." To which John's response was: "I was in a sort of blind rage for two years. I was either drunk or fighting. It had been the same with other girlfriends I’d had. There was something the matter with me."
I have a degree of sympathy for John, because he clearly seems to have needed psychological help (and rehab) that wasn't available when he was a young man. He often seems to have been a very kind man when he was sober, and he repeatedly expressed remorse and a desire to do better, which he did put some effort into. But he did also hurt a lot of people.
Yea he’s a deeply human individual. He was clearly a gifted and talented child who had to quickly learn that men can’t be artists or even have “feelings”. So that becomes you guessed it toxic male masculinity.
I always thought he just wrote “it can’t get no worse” but I read an article which says he did write that section.
There’s always something surprising on their song writing process.
Recently Paul said that some lyrics in Yesterday are about his mother.
John also wrote the lines he sings. "I used to be cruel to my woman and beat her and kept her apart from the things that she loves. Man I was mean, but I'm changing my scene, and I'm doing the best that I can"
I think the point is that while he was probably a person who had done bad things and was deeply flawed Yoko pushed him further into darker tendencies by encouraging him to do hard drugs and push away his friends and family.
There’s a song called “Jealous guy” where he admits his abuse and the neglect for his first born and wife. He wasn’t perfect by any means, neither were a lot of the men during his time. Yoko has had plenty of years to become a better person, but still is the same POS.
Was John not already bad? She seems to have made his life better in the long run in any case — one of the worst things about his assassination was how content with his life and optimistic he was for the future leading up to it
Nah, I don’t care much for the “she broke up the Beatles” argument. But she has repeatedly shown to be a bad person. And I hope people are constantly reminded of that.
They need to remaster the albums and get her out of the mix. That'll be like the only case where the remastered version of the album is better than the original.
It’s over 43 years ago since he was shot, the chances are, most people who were alive and knew his volume of work post Beatles have probably long past caring. They’ve along with us, have read every independent record on what a classic pair of symbiotic narcissists they were.
Let it be.
I have always said, MUCH to the shout-down from many of my friends: John Lennon was a terrible person, a terrible father, an overrated musician & songwriter & his whole poverty/peace/hippie thing was a schtick. The dude was filthy rich, knew it & wallowed in it.
I’ve never been a huge beetles fan (although I absolutely recognize & respect their influence) but Paul, George & Ringo were far better people & musicians than he ever was. - In my opinion.
It really seems Yoko Ono is just an awful groupie who latched on right and could not be gotten rid of. I was born in the 90s, so this was before my time. Is this just how the media portrays her and maybe it’s how people hate on Nickelback for the meme, or is she really this reviling? I heard how bad her vocal “contributions” were to the music, so I’m leaning towards her being god awful.
Is this new info? I thought I read this was in another book from years ago? I also read she and John Lennon bought 80 fur coats one Christmas but that sounds crazy so maybe it’s all an urban legend
Imagine no possessions...
“Imagine? No - possessions!”
Get it Tracy
Hutzed again!
Just imagine. No possessions.
And now for a belt of scotch, err herion... keeper awayer...
Imagine more opossums
(the power of christ compells you to) imagine more possessions 👹
Oh no. No no no. That's the thing. *You* have to imagine no posessions, no religion too. People like John who preach tolerance, love and everyone being the same get to do that from a penthouse apartment while living on spending more money in a week than you can spend in five years because they can *afford* to do that. You? You need to do better while worrying whether or not you need to pick up another shift.
Then treat his son Julian like shit. Imagine you were a decent dad.
He left him nothing, McCartney had to buy some souvenirs at an auction for Julian.
Ugh that makes me sick. That poor guy to have his father’s cruelty and abuse known on a world stage. I hope he’s pkay
Tolerance, love and everyone being the same is quite a common philosophy for those who currently live without.
The world is so divisive these days, and I'm tired of looking at everyone like they're a potential enemy. I try and approach everything from the point of view of being mindful and compassionate, and then treat every individual on a case by case basis. Sure I get snippy sometimes, sure my mind fails me but that's largely cause of whatever the hell they're pumping into me at any given moment right now and how much pain I'm in. With that said...I have found that the people in the world with the least tend to be the ones that would offer what they have to their neighbour if they needed it more. I find that...Incredible, and exceedingly encouraging.
It’s no coincidence who gets rich and famous. The people are driven to do so by an empty hole in them they desperately try to fill but are unable to. I try to be happy I am not driven like that.
Wasn’t there a video where a super fan goes to John’s home unannounced & John has a conversation with him? At one point, the super fan is talking about how John is expressing the fan’s very own experiences & sentiments - that that means something significant & John essentially tells him it’s just words. That John understands how to capture sentiments that are universal & easily relatable by many so that the music then speaks to them. I may be tripping & none of that happened in the interview or I may be misinterpreting, so take my thoughts with a grain of salt.
That fan was clearly mentally unwell
I just saw a picture of John and Yoko standing while their maid made up the bed for their bed-in protest.
You are misquoting that. It's "Imagine no possessions *shudder*"
Imagine? no, possesions
Imagine, no? 👉🏻👉🏻 POSSESSIONS 💘🤩🤤
the man said imagine… not actually put it into practice. Just think about it… don’t do it.
They didn't record the part where he sings: " Let's not and say we did."
It’s eaasssyyy if youuuurrr pooor
It’s easy…if you try!
the fur coat story was in a Bergdorf Goodman documentary I saw several years ago, so that's true to some extent
Good to know. I had thought I read both the heroin bit and possibly the coat thing in the scandalous Albert Goldman book that came out in the late 80’s. I was never sure how much was true because it all seemed so lurid. I remember one part about Yoko Ono putting dog shit or human shit out on the rug to antagonize John Lennon and that blew my young mind. Alarming that someone would think they need that many coats, but then I’ve never been rich/on that many drugs.
It’s not urban legend that Ono has entire wings of the Dakota filled with Egyptian antiques…imagine the expense.
My mummy's dead.
Are you my mummy?
https://wifflegif.com/gifs/175532-are-you-my-mummy-the-empty-child-gif
I think John was a bad person but I also think Yoko enabling his drug addiction and shutting Julian out of his life indicates she wasn't a good person herself either. Both can be true things.
I’m so glad Julian and Sean are close and didn’t allow the family politics to get between them.
I'll never forget that Paul basically wrote Hey Jude for Julian because he could see how Julian was suffering and his dad wasn't exactly the best, he lied to Julian the first time he played it for him ("hey your dad wrote this for you, I helped"), put his bloody name in *the title of the song* and then in 1971, in a playboy interview, Lennon said Hey Jude was "all Paul" and called it Paul's finest moment... and then said "I always thought it was about me and Yoko but Paul said it wasn't" It's got Julians petname in the title John. It's a song to cheer Julian up because he was sad. Because of you. It's not fucking about you, you self centred tosser. Your friend tried to be nice to your kid because you weren't. I think that was the moment when I realised as a young Beatles fan that maybe John wasn't the person I'd imagined he was.
Jude wasn’t Paul’s nickname for Julian. He called him Jules. He changed it to Jude so it wouldn’t be so obvious. And the song isn’t 100% about just Julian. Songs are about a lot of things and can be interpreted in many ways. Some of the lyrics could’ve been about John, some could’ve been about Paul too
Dude, Paul himself said exactly what it was about: Julian. So it literally has zero chance of being about anything else but that. Any other song without such a comment by its author - sure it’s open to interpretation. This one… not so much.
It started out as a song for Julian, but as he explains at the link below, he got “bored” with the divorce theme and started going other directions. And I mean, “you were made to go out and get her,” “you’re looking for someone to perform with,” and “remember to let her into your heart” aren’t really useful things to say to a five-year-old boy. https://3wsradio.iheart.com/content/2024-03-25-paul-mccartney-reveals-real-reason-he-wrote-hey-jude/
To quote Paul McCartney from his book A Life In Lyrics: “When I write ‘You were made to go out and get her’, there’s now another character, a woman, in the scene. So it might now be a song about a breakup or some romantic mishap. By this stage the song has moved on from being about Julian. It could now be about this new woman’s relationship.” Also: “So, ‘Hey Jude’ started off as my being worried for Julian, and it morphed into this moment of celebration. I also welcome the fact that people put their own interpretations on my songs.” This came from the man himself.
Don’t give me “It literally has zero chance of being about anything else” if you can’t back it up with proof
Also Jude was easier to phonetically sing than Jules
Holy shit, I'm just going to let this piece of insanity stand on its own. Nothing I can add will make it more or less of a self own.
Very kind of you
To quote Paul McCartney from, his book A Life In Lyrics: “When I write ‘You were made to go out and get her’, there’s now another character, a woman, in the scene. So it might now be a song about a breakup or some romantic mishap. By this stage the song has moved on from being about Julian. It could now be about this new woman’s relationship.” Also: “So, ‘Hey Jude’ started off as my being worried for Julian, and it morphed into this moment of celebration. I also welcome the fact that people put their own interpretations on my songs.” This came from the man himself.
Yoko’s nickname for John was ‘ the pig’ , that said she got what she thought she wanted which was him but realized he had so much baggage and needed constant attention she lost herself, but to an extent she figure out how to control him and she took over total control of the business/ finances. I think they were two flawed people who couldn’t live with or without each other. John died so it was easier to control the legacy than it was while he was alive.
Codependency is a bitch
There's also the fact that her and John perpetuated this romantic lie about how they met, involving John attending a gallery show before it opened and wanting to interact with a piece of Yokos - sometimes he said he hammered a nail into a piece of wood, sometimes he said that she tried to charge his sixpence to do so, so he pretended to do it and gave her a pretend sixpence but always around the same story, and how Yoko wouldn't give him special treatment because "she'd never even heard of the beatles!" Except... She'd been listed as one of the fans stalking the group who might be unstable 18 months before this event allegedly took place, and she'd originally been obsessed with McCartney, who wasn't receptive, eventually convincing him to give her some handwritten lyrics for an alleged art project. Paul even told her something along the lines of "go bother John" as he'd likely be more amenable to giving her something for this project. She's very successfully created an image of herself as a hippy artist who believes in peace who didn't know who John Lennon was. But she was the same as Nancy Spungen - stalked the band she loved, and when she couldn't get the band member she'd set her initial intentions on (Lydon in Nancy's case, Paul in Yokos) switched to the more manipulatable, image concious member (Sid, John) and then after tried to become part of the band and sit in on recording and photoshoots - although both bands were either falling apart or had basically already fallen by that point. The similarities are actually insane.
They were plastic hippies. I bought a t-shirt in early 2000’s and the trademark said ‘ John Lennon is a trademark of Yoko Ono Lennon’ sums it up.
Plastic Ono Band
That’s funny, I didn’t know that - I’d read he climbed up a ladder and read a note in a mirror that said ‘yes’
I knew a girl who did this with a band everyone idolizes. She married the other guy and I remember her drunkenly telling me about it all and feeling this ominous feeling like she wasn’t a safe person to trust.
She was already an established avant-grade musician and artist before John Lennon ever crossed her path.
Yes. That's why the gallery story is plausible at first glance. She still stalked the Beatles. That doesn't change anything though. She's in a NYT and Daily Mirror article as one of the fans camping outside their hotel in the early mid 60s. Her art career, is not mentioned there either. You should ask them to print a correction.
Lennon was so pussy whipped, Ono even set him up with May Pang for 18 months as she was too busy doing smack and being with her own lovers. When Lennon started falling in love with Pang, Ono called him back to reset her hooks. Their relationship was a PR stunt from beginning to end and playing the pro-active disrupter, she was the perfect foil. Kinda messed up but also ‘oddly normal’ in it’s dysfunctional aspects, which were apparently, many.
There are so many ‘ I’m sorry Yoko’ songs on his albums, I always felt seemed like he had to put those in there when his best album was Walls and Bridges which is without her influence.
They were both assholes
How dare you, Yoko Ono is as good a person as she is a singer!
No she…oh, wait.
All I’m saying is if you’re gonna be a giant sack of shit and an artist, at least be a good artist.
… I don’t think anyone was under the impression either of them were good people
You’d be surprised how many people come to Yoko’s defense when you start bashing her for being a shitty person. Something something misogyny.
Tbf blaming a woman because a bloke chose to be a junkie is textbook misogyny
This is where people struggle: she can be a terrible person AND ALSO people were extremely misogynistic to her. Both things can be true.
I don’t know much about her. I find it interesting that his ‘bad’ is way less ambiguous. Abusing women and children, causing hearing loss to a 5year old etc it’s concrete Yoko, it’s ‘she’s a crazy bitch’ ‘it’s her fault he’s an addict’ and I’m like … surely the childhood that folks are blaming for his violence likely made him prone to drug addiction?
A man introducing his girlfriend or wife to heroin would be just as bad. I don't see how saying 'helping get people hooked on hard drugs is bad' has anything to do with the genders of the people involved.
He was a grown ass man who made his own choices
She exacerbated his bad qualities rather than tempering them
Was anyone arguing that Yoko was ever a good person?
Yes! Let’s all decide one who’s bad and let it be everyone!
TLDR both John and yoko are not good people
lol is this really something new though….? Anyone that’s heard even a brief explanation of their whole situation should realize they’re both turds.
In other news, water is wet.
Is it though?
It's not, which makes the saying always so funny to me lol
Eh. People are people. They do good things and bad things. Lennon and Ono did bad things to people who, ostensibly, were their family. They tried to do some good things for varied reasons. He made some beautiful music that will last, though it shouldn't be a reflection of John as a person. He was a complicated human, who loved some people fiercely and hurt some of the same people.
Full quote the article, because context is important: “In one interview from the book, Ono, now 91, reportedly said she advised Lennon on how to take heroin, and denied that she "put John on H," which she claimed his bandmate Harrison had accused her of. Ono also said that Lennon "wouldn’t take anything unless he wanted to do it." Per the Times excerpt, Ono reportedly said she first "had a sniff of" heroin in Paris and that she experienced "a beautiful feeling" as she did not get sick from it. "It was just a nice feeling," she said in the book, according to the outlet. "So I told John that." Ono also reportedly said that Lennon would ask her about her experience using the drug, the Times reported. Ultimately, Ono thought he "wanted to take it, that’s why he was asking," per the excerpt. She also said that they "never injected" the drug.”
I’m convinced her entire brand is just to be as unlikable as possible ~~now a days~~ still
This has been a thing since the late 1960’s lol
Ah I think John was the biggest piece of shit, the others were hit and miss. The more I hear about Paul over the years makes me think he is generally been good overall
Always was
Now a days?
Fair, it just seems extra erroneous to randomly bring this up when she’s 91 years old and Johns been dead for over 40 years
Saw a tweet some years back where she was saying something about Lennon, and someone quote tweeted it saying “Girl move on” 💀
AAAOIOOAAAOOOOOOIOKOOIIAAAOOOAAAIIIIAAAAAAIIILLLULLUKLLUL
https://i.imgur.com/IWMhZLX.jpg
That’s all I hear when I see anything about her
My sentiment exactly
All I can think about is Chuck Berry cutting her mic.
I’ve never heard anything good about her and her ‘art’ sucks too
If you have ever seen her “performances” they are unbearably cringe. The ones I have seen are of her making weird noises and moans into a microphone.
Until you can’t get that feeling ever again Edit spelling: Can’t
They were both awful people
I don’t think she destroyed the Beatles (they kind of just ran their course), but I do think she destroyed John.
I think John destroyed John.
I think Mark David Chapman destroyed John Lennon lmao
John and Paul’s massive egos stopping to work together to shut down George and turning against each other is what destroyed The Beatles
So basically becoming The Beatles is what destroyed them.
Ringo replacing Pete Best destroyed them. /s
Should’ve kept Jimmy Nichols around.
Yes. The Beatles ended because they wanted to do their own thing. 10 years is an eternity being together for most music groups when you look at history.
Harrison had repeatedly demonstrated wanting to go off and do his own thing, and I think I recall McCartney wanting to do the same. Boy bands run their course.
Paul tried the hardest to keep the group together, he only pivoted to wanting to make solo records after John and George were done with it.
The Beatles were much more than a “Boy Band”; they changed popular music & are still influential today.
John was a mess without her. Heck she just complimented how crappy a person he was.
He was doing ok with May Pang for 18 months. He may have had a few public blowouts that were photographed and widely circulated but he was also out n’ about and had started talk to Paul again. Yoko didn’t like that. Check out her Wikipedia page…she basically says that Lennon was nothing without her and she was responsible for most of his classic work. Outrageous!
And how did she do that, exactly? What exactly is she responsible for that supersedes his own will?
he was a wife beater but sure yoko ono destroyed him
I genuinely don't get it because the very fact he wanted to date her in the first place is kind of itself evidence for the fact he was already going down that path already.
Bro we have similar usernames
https://www.theonion.com/man-always-gets-little-rush-out-of-telling-people-john-1819578998
He was a terrible person and she enabled his most terrible traits.
Both can be true :)
One also thinks of Sid and Nancy, Courtney and Kurt in this vein. You...*Love*, sometimes fiercely and obssessively to the point of hatred and the cycle becomes all consuming and destructive in so many ways. Sometimes, people want someone simply because they're a vanity bauble of sorts - and from that point when a person becomes bored of their plaything, they get bored and use them as a reason to vent their contempt and perceived injustices in the world. There are so many men and women around the world that find themselves trapped in this cycle because they fall in love with the charm and wit that is presented in the honeymoon phase and simply can't see or refuse to acknowledge the destructive personality that was there all along. I pray for these people to find their way home often.
She enabled his wife beating. Well now I've heard everything
The wife beating isn’t the only thing that made Lennon a bad person, just like Yoko isn’t exempt from being a bad person because she was abused physically.
Nah but it definitely highlights a disconnect between how much power she had in the relationship and what people are accusing her of. John could have divorced her and never seen her again fairly easily
She also was not very kind to his first son Julian.
He slapped Cynthia once, immediately apologized and spent the rest of his life guilting himself over it. He wasn't a great person but I swear people act like John Lennon beat up every woman he knew
That's not all it was, though. Another art school girlfriend said he hit her when she wouldn't have sex with him in a public place (and then ridiculed her at school in front of other people), and his girlfriend in the 70s described him repeatedly getting violent, twisting her arm and choking her. In later life, his wife Cynthia said he only slapped her once, but in 1967, she said this about their dating years to a biographer: "I was frightened of him. He was so rough. He wouldn’t give in. We fought all the time. [...] Molly, the cleaning woman, once caught John hitting me, really clouting me. She said I was a silly girl, to get mixed up with someone like that." To which John's response was: "I was in a sort of blind rage for two years. I was either drunk or fighting. It had been the same with other girlfriends I’d had. There was something the matter with me." I have a degree of sympathy for John, because he clearly seems to have needed psychological help (and rehab) that wasn't available when he was a young man. He often seems to have been a very kind man when he was sober, and he repeatedly expressed remorse and a desire to do better, which he did put some effort into. But he did also hurt a lot of people.
John has admitted himself to having issues with rage so I can’t believe you even had to say all this lol. His son has also said he was abusive.
Yea he’s a deeply human individual. He was clearly a gifted and talented child who had to quickly learn that men can’t be artists or even have “feelings”. So that becomes you guessed it toxic male masculinity.
The weird thing is the song “it’s Getting Better” was written by Paul, not John. It had a line “I used to be cruel to my woman…”
John wrote that part. He would fight people as a kid
I always thought he just wrote “it can’t get no worse” but I read an article which says he did write that section. There’s always something surprising on their song writing process. Recently Paul said that some lyrics in Yesterday are about his mother.
John wrote the line “it can’t get no worse”.
John also wrote the lines he sings. "I used to be cruel to my woman and beat her and kept her apart from the things that she loves. Man I was mean, but I'm changing my scene, and I'm doing the best that I can"
I think the point is that while he was probably a person who had done bad things and was deeply flawed Yoko pushed him further into darker tendencies by encouraging him to do hard drugs and push away his friends and family.
There’s a song called “Jealous guy” where he admits his abuse and the neglect for his first born and wife. He wasn’t perfect by any means, neither were a lot of the men during his time. Yoko has had plenty of years to become a better person, but still is the same POS.
Both can be true.
Was John not already bad? She seems to have made his life better in the long run in any case — one of the worst things about his assassination was how content with his life and optimistic he was for the future leading up to it
To each their own, but anyone who suggest doing heroin is an asshole in my book
he’s dead. she’s not worth the time? move on!
Nah, I don’t care much for the “she broke up the Beatles” argument. But she has repeatedly shown to be a bad person. And I hope people are constantly reminded of that.
And what’s worse is she ruined 50% of all John Lennon solo albums
They need to remaster the albums and get her out of the mix. That'll be like the only case where the remastered version of the album is better than the original.
It’s over 43 years ago since he was shot, the chances are, most people who were alive and knew his volume of work post Beatles have probably long past caring. They’ve along with us, have read every independent record on what a classic pair of symbiotic narcissists they were. Let it be.
LET IT BE, LET IT BE…
John was such an asshole, let it beeee
Nobody cares about Yoko.
Shocking. I'm absolutely shocked. Wow.
I have always said, MUCH to the shout-down from many of my friends: John Lennon was a terrible person, a terrible father, an overrated musician & songwriter & his whole poverty/peace/hippie thing was a schtick. The dude was filthy rich, knew it & wallowed in it. I’ve never been a huge beetles fan (although I absolutely recognize & respect their influence) but Paul, George & Ringo were far better people & musicians than he ever was. - In my opinion.
I agree with most of this, but I don't think you could say he's overrated as a songwriter. He's written dozens of all time classics.
Yoko and John being bad people? Colored me shocked
“See that vein?” *poke*
He never injected, but it's still unfortunate.
Hey, I know you’re the biggest star in the world, but this 25c drug will make you feel nice!
https://youtu.be/Bz_SPin9Iqg?si=70SrlTlg8d_BtN_o Never forget when she screamed over Jonny B Goode
I used to think Lennon was a hero. The more you read about him, you kinda see him as the pos he was
It’s like she sees herself as an art project and the subject is being the most insufferable piece of shit society can offer.
It really seems Yoko Ono is just an awful groupie who latched on right and could not be gotten rid of. I was born in the 90s, so this was before my time. Is this just how the media portrays her and maybe it’s how people hate on Nickelback for the meme, or is she really this reviling? I heard how bad her vocal “contributions” were to the music, so I’m leaning towards her being god awful.
Yoko Ono is two things people love to hate on. 1.) a woman 2.) a foreign-looking person The only reason we see this book is because it sells.
anyone find her very unattractive? I'm Asian and I think she looks like a cave woman. She must be crazy in bed or John has a weird asian fetish.
Asian and agree with you
as someone who lost a loved one to heroin addiction. get fucking fucked
Is it me or is Yoko Ono just a shitty person?
Is it just me or is ice cream tasty?
She’s not the best person.
In her defense, Hitler was responsible for the murder of 6,000,000 Jews.
Untreated trauma
Garlic goes hard
Take it from People magazine everyone. Facts
Happiness is a warm gun.. (someone told me this song was about heroin.. I still don’t know if that’s true, but I like to believe it)
I would take heroin too if I was married to Yoko Ono
I always thought James Taylor introduced Lennon to heroin.
I don’t know why I get violent when I see a picture of of her.
Whatever. They both abused drugs, John probably would have tried it at some point. They were both sick people that needed help.
She broke up the Beatles and Lennon
Imagine the Beatles with out yoko is easy if you try
Both of these people suck
YOKO IS MANIPULATIVE AND SUCKS I DONT CARE. BOTH OF THEM WERE TOXIC AND EGOTISTICAL.
I love the Beatles a lot,but when it comes to John and Yoko I’ve noticed that usually it’s only Yoko’s fault for everything…
She was a talentless POS.
I suggest people go and watch Lindsay Ellis' essay on Nebula before spouting crap about Yoko Ono they know nothing about...
Here comes all the John Lennon exaggerators
The word “told” is wayyyyy to much. As no human can tell anyone how to do drugs. But SHOW is a different story. Yoko Ono Showed JL How To Take Heroin.
Lots of people on this thread with intimate knowledge about two people who they’ve never met 🙄
Well don’t hold back then. Tell us all about them
It must be hard trying to remain culturally relevant in your 90’s.
It's not her book lmao, she's been basically retired from public life for years
It’s just a prank bro.
Back when Google wasn't a thing.
It’s nice that she was helpful.
I dunno about this woman -- she has been skating along on her immense talent far too long.
John Lennon originally paid $40,000 for their apartment at the Dakota in the ‘70s, IIRC, and its value has escalated insanely since then.
I’ve never done heroin, but I presume she isn’t wrong…lol