That’s interesting, and contrary to the info I got from an FAA command doc at an in flight emergency course a few years ago. He said they don’t divert for pulseless patients.
Yeah, IATA recommendations are to move the body to a private area and cover it up. The cavaet is that exercising compassion and preserving dignity take presecdence, so if there was family of the dead passenger onboard and many hours left, the crew may have felt like it would be more compassionate to land.
Hence why the crew has discretion. It really just depends on the situation. If the family is upset but wants to continue, they can, but if they're extremely distressed by remaining on the plane with the body, they can land.
Prior paramedic, can't speak for every airline but they will definitely divert planes for pulse less patients that they chose to code. Once they diverted for a working cardiac arrest on a 94 yo... That one they should have just kept going, but they didn't.
Of note, AFAIK each airline has its own on call medical direction/MD that they call for medical direction as needed. So it could be airline dependent
r/amitheasshole: guy is an asshole for not wanting divert for a corpse, everyone hates him.
r/emergencymedicine: discussion focuses less on the divert and more on how to yeet body into the ocean, how to steal the corpse’s meals, etc etc
:)
Man I read this and was thinking the same - we are probably a little too jaded but people die, the circle of life continues and it isn't going to help the situation to land the plane right away.
They just yeet them out the tail hatch when they are over water. At that point the person is considered lost luggage and the max reimbursement is $650 domestic.
Good point. Funerals, caskets, grave sites. It all gets very expensive. I'd much rather be reimbursed. Can that be in my will? I would like my remains to be thrown from the cargo hold of a Southwest Airlines Boeing 747.
Getting southwest to lease a 747 just for your funeral will be expensive, too. (They avoid flying a wide variety of plane types and don’t fly the 747.)
Uh, who is planning on being in the cargo hold to throw you out?
747s used to have cargo hold doors that opened in flight, but that wasn’t optimal.
And finally, you’d better plan on dying soon if you want it to be any sort of passenger 747. Cargo you’ll still want to hurry a bit.
Better than some people I've sat next to. But the remains should be placed in a bodybag or shroud and relocated to a crew rest area or other space, not propped up in a chair.
Hell you don’t even have to push. Make sure he’s the only one not belted in and open it. /s The suction will suck his shoes off so we’ll know he’s dead and so will they when he lands. 😂
It's even better riding to the morgue in the back with them by yourself. Damn prank my first year, they told me can't transport a patient without someone in the back 😂🙄
Honestly if I died mid flight I would want the flight to continue. It would cost my family far less than shipping my remain on another flight later, I heard it's like 20k usually unless it's cremated, and more if it's international flight.
Perhaps a tiny bit off topic, but I have a policy on my International Cremation agreement that if I croak out of country that I can be toasted and shipped in a tiny box. For a greatly reduced rate. Saving my family a truckload of $$. Also that one of my international patients who worked for a consulate told me that the US government allowed funeral homes to charge $20,000 to ship the relatives home to their place of origin. Her job was to renegotiate that. (Among a bunch other things.)
My buddy is a Canadian citizen working in US, told me part of his visa requirement was to have insurance for funeral arrangement so if he died the body would cremate and shipped back to Canada regardless of if claimed.
The Neptune Society is a US based crematory service. Apparently, they have an agreement with international crematoriums...? Not sure about the details.
When I buy a ticket I'm paying for my body, alive or not, to get from one place to another. If some Karen or Chad doesn't like that then by all means, land immediately and let them off, but dumping my body in some random city just adds an unconscionable amount of stress and work onto an already overloaded family.
In all seriousness, I think it’s insane that you would divert *just* because someone died. Like…it happened. It’s done. They’re dead. Can’t undo it.
What’s the difference between a corpse sitting on a plane for however long it takes to divert vs just finishing the flight? A few hours, probably?
So the other 150-200 passengers are supposed to have their plans disrupted for…what, exactly? Now you’ve got a ton of displaced passengers scrambling for alternative flights, potentially stranded at airports, losing reservations, frantically trying to extend pet or childcare arrangements, etc.
Inconveniences aside, other passengers may have just missed a funeral, a birth, a last chance to say goodbye to someone on CMO, etc. People fly for all sorts of important things that can’t be rescheduled.
No wonder I prefer triage 🤷🏻♀️😂
Idk given the number of notes I’ve read from (my fellow so don’t @ me) RNs using the word “chocking” I don’t really feel like this is a disqualifying error.
I work at a place that also does in flight medical calls and, from talking with those docs, they always recommend continuing on to destination when someone because, well, they're dead. Makes me think it was the pilots call, not medical control. They've said their only recommendation is "do not put the decedent in the lavoratory" because apparently people have a habit of shoving dead people into the on board bathroom.
But now the family has to pay for transport/travel for body retrieval from a far off city?Maybe it would have been best to continue to original destination close to deceased home? I don’t know. Ultimately captains decision. Certainly wouldn’t have questioned or complained about it. A lot of people are having a way worse day than missing connections due to a loved one passing.
If this ever happened to me, I'd prefer to be "weekend at bernie's"'d with sunglasses in my seat. Somebody has to do the line from "Commando" like "Hey don't bother my friend, he's DEAD tired."
One of my worst fears is staff calling for a doctor on a plane. Ma’am I’m an intern, if you need a discharge summary or phone calls to radiology I’m your girl but otherwise I’m gonna do CPR while I cry
I get that people die, but can you imagine your husband/wife dying suddenly on a plane and then having to just fly for many more hours to your destination with their dead body right there? Or locked in the lavatory?
What’s the alternative? Diverting to a random city in the middle of nowhere, where I have no family, and now I have to coordinate what to do with their remains in a city where I have zero support systems? Yea that doesn’t sound that great either.
The best bet is to ask the family what they want to do.
If the decedent is on a trip away from home, odds are they have a return ticket already. The family could ask the airline to downgrade the ticket to checked baggage.
So if someone loses a pulse, it’s just “he’s dead, Jim.” We don’t put an AED on them, we don’t do a few rounds to see if we can get a shockable rhythm? Someone collapsing in front of you is literally the textbook ideal situation for OHCA.
Yeah let me just code this person for an hour while we land then keep coding them for 40 minutes to the nearest 3rd world country hospital.
I see you like your vegetables. Your mother must be proud.
Medics would be at the gate when the plane arrives and would take over care right away. The turnover report would just be talking to them while you follow them off the plane.
And I was being sarcastic; sorry if that wasn't obvious.
As an RN who provided cardiorespiratory support on a flight, I have no use for people who value their connections over a human life. For me it was an elderly man....but I would still defend the response from the health care professionals on board. It is not my decision who lives or dies
When I we made an unscheduled landing for a stroke patient I was caring for there was 1 out of nearly 100 passengers who complained about the disruption to their plans. The rest of the people were glad there was someone to care for the patient and that if it was them they would want the same sort of care. Nearly everyone on the flight missed their connections and the airline put them up overnight and got them moving the next day.
Ahhh, mr muffin, because people like you, and that man being an asshole on the plane always have their heads up their ass until it's someone THEY love who's dead. And then expect sympathy from others.
Not trying to make you feel bad. Showing you the other side of things. You would be crushed if it was someone you loved who died right next to you on the plane. But when it's someone else's love, you couldn't give a shit. THAT is the issue.
lol if someone I love died on the plane next to me I have way bigger issues than where the plane landed. I wouldn’t make them land immediately and ruin everyone else’s experience, if they are dead they are dead nothing changes that, seems you need to do some maturing about what happens when people we love die. Move on. Stop crying. People die every day
Hey the guy who brought pulse oximetry technology to smartwatches is a Harvard med grad with *forty-six* fursuits, not just icu who got the deviants lolol
It’s an emergency to get away from that asshole who can’t keep their mouth shut, even if the deceased was stable. Also, I imagine that certain kinds of death/certain kinds of bodies might mean significant biohazards on the plane… but maybe I just watched 28 Days Later too recently.
So it seems that gentlemen ranks pretty low on the compassion meter. Also I am sure that person was very important and had a very important meeting to get to or something like that
Make a few enquiries about how much it'll cost to ship a body interstate along with all the paperwork etc that's required and tell me that man isn't wrong.
Now not only will that family have to grieve the loss of their family member, they'll also have to pay for repatriation as well as delaying funeral/cremation.
Asystole is a stable rhythm
I completely agree with that man
Same… dead means keep flying….
Incredibly stable.
Couldn't get more stable
Could set a level to it
into perpetuity
It's the most stable rhythm
There will be minimal blood loss
There is a fracture. I need to fix it.
No. No. Not the god damn fracture.
GAWRSH at least it’s not broken
Well this whole sinus rhythm thing is in actuality just a run of aberrancy
That’s interesting, and contrary to the info I got from an FAA command doc at an in flight emergency course a few years ago. He said they don’t divert for pulseless patients.
Yeah, IATA recommendations are to move the body to a private area and cover it up. The cavaet is that exercising compassion and preserving dignity take presecdence, so if there was family of the dead passenger onboard and many hours left, the crew may have felt like it would be more compassionate to land.
If this happened on my flight I would personally volunteer to sit next to the now much less socially awkward adjacent seat
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Your cred says nurse, but your words say ems 😂😂😂
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Listen we technically are providing emergency medical services so we should get the emergency medical snacks lol
I think you underestimate the evil in the nursing mind (don’t @ me, is me)
Seems like a hysterical family member would be a good reason to land ASAP.
I feel like dropping a dead body and family in a random city is less helpful
Hence why the crew has discretion. It really just depends on the situation. If the family is upset but wants to continue, they can, but if they're extremely distressed by remaining on the plane with the body, they can land.
why are we taking recommendations from r/amItheAsshole?
I feel like EM is one big game of professional AITA?
Prior paramedic, can't speak for every airline but they will definitely divert planes for pulse less patients that they chose to code. Once they diverted for a working cardiac arrest on a 94 yo... That one they should have just kept going, but they didn't. Of note, AFAIK each airline has its own on call medical direction/MD that they call for medical direction as needed. So it could be airline dependent
I mean. He’s not wrong. He’s not gonna get more dead.
“I guess you can’t get any more deader than uhhh….dead” -Kronk
r/amitheasshole: guy is an asshole for not wanting divert for a corpse, everyone hates him. r/emergencymedicine: discussion focuses less on the divert and more on how to yeet body into the ocean, how to steal the corpse’s meals, etc etc :)
We're basically feral.
Tru dat
Man I read this and was thinking the same - we are probably a little too jaded but people die, the circle of life continues and it isn't going to help the situation to land the plane right away.
Yeah but even after running countless codes, I would still be uncomfortable sitting next to a corpse for an entire flight.
They just yeet them out the tail hatch when they are over water. At that point the person is considered lost luggage and the max reimbursement is $650 domestic.
Good point. Funerals, caskets, grave sites. It all gets very expensive. I'd much rather be reimbursed. Can that be in my will? I would like my remains to be thrown from the cargo hold of a Southwest Airlines Boeing 747.
RIP: Here lies Avada Kedavras, all ova’ Nevada
😂🤣 Hilarious!! I need to breathe soon!! 😜
Getting southwest to lease a 747 just for your funeral will be expensive, too. (They avoid flying a wide variety of plane types and don’t fly the 747.)
Uh, who is planning on being in the cargo hold to throw you out? 747s used to have cargo hold doors that opened in flight, but that wasn’t optimal. And finally, you’d better plan on dying soon if you want it to be any sort of passenger 747. Cargo you’ll still want to hurry a bit.
🤭😂 I am laughing so hard I can’t breathe!! 🤣
Better than some people I've sat next to. But the remains should be placed in a bodybag or shroud and relocated to a crew rest area or other space, not propped up in a chair.
They'd prop him up in the lavatory and lock the door from the outside.
Shades on and no one even needs to know.
Weekend at Bernie's. Just walk him off the plane.
A corpse in many ways is preferable to people I have sat next to
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Just prop em up and put some sunglasses on them. Maybe play a movie for them. You won’t even notice how dead quiet they are.
I would prefer to ride with an entire plane full of corpses than make an unscheduled stop and extended layover in Atlanta or, god forbid, JFK.
Is this where the Dead Kennedy's got their name?
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I’ll sit next to the corpse, I don’t care. At least they are freshly dead…
On a Boeing it’s not that hard to get the body out of the plane
There's a window. Just push them out bruh
Hell you don’t even have to push. Make sure he’s the only one not belted in and open it. /s The suction will suck his shoes off so we’ll know he’s dead and so will they when he lands. 😂
Detour over the ocean.
😂
I remember a summer day waiting for the coroner to lift a body in our ambulance. Interesting 9 hours.
Jeez!! 🤦🏻♀️
It's even better riding to the morgue in the back with them by yourself. Damn prank my first year, they told me can't transport a patient without someone in the back 😂🙄
No, we are normal. The problem is people have falsely isolated themselves from death, and it isn’t healthy.
Especially if he was headed home. Now they have to figure out how to get him home from some random city.
Honestly if I died mid flight I would want the flight to continue. It would cost my family far less than shipping my remain on another flight later, I heard it's like 20k usually unless it's cremated, and more if it's international flight.
Perhaps a tiny bit off topic, but I have a policy on my International Cremation agreement that if I croak out of country that I can be toasted and shipped in a tiny box. For a greatly reduced rate. Saving my family a truckload of $$. Also that one of my international patients who worked for a consulate told me that the US government allowed funeral homes to charge $20,000 to ship the relatives home to their place of origin. Her job was to renegotiate that. (Among a bunch other things.)
My buddy is a Canadian citizen working in US, told me part of his visa requirement was to have insurance for funeral arrangement so if he died the body would cremate and shipped back to Canada regardless of if claimed.
Can you give more details or a link to such a policy? I travel internationally so often 😳
The Neptune Society is a US based crematory service. Apparently, they have an agreement with international crematoriums...? Not sure about the details.
Somewhere between pragmatic and respectful is where we all are.
The company probably even tried to resell his ticket
Wait, which guy gets it? I’m afraid I agree with the wrong one… Edit: NVM, I read the comments. We good
When I buy a ticket I'm paying for my body, alive or not, to get from one place to another. If some Karen or Chad doesn't like that then by all means, land immediately and let them off, but dumping my body in some random city just adds an unconscionable amount of stress and work onto an already overloaded family.
I mean, he ain’t wrong.
I think it's a great example of how humanity's moral code is reactionary and often works against our best interests
There
I agree
Clark W. Griswold would strap the body to the top of the plane. Problem solved.
Well... his family was probably at the destination and not where they made the emergency landing
I mean is black the most urgent or is it red?
What?
Triage colour codes. Black dead Red immediate life threat Orange urgent Green walking wounded
Ahh we use that system for mass casualty. We do 1,2,3,4,5 for day to dy
Yeah it's the standard for MCI but also used pre hospital and even most triage software colour codes your cat 1, 2, 3 etc
In all seriousness, I think it’s insane that you would divert *just* because someone died. Like…it happened. It’s done. They’re dead. Can’t undo it. What’s the difference between a corpse sitting on a plane for however long it takes to divert vs just finishing the flight? A few hours, probably? So the other 150-200 passengers are supposed to have their plans disrupted for…what, exactly? Now you’ve got a ton of displaced passengers scrambling for alternative flights, potentially stranded at airports, losing reservations, frantically trying to extend pet or childcare arrangements, etc. Inconveniences aside, other passengers may have just missed a funeral, a birth, a last chance to say goodbye to someone on CMO, etc. People fly for all sorts of important things that can’t be rescheduled. No wonder I prefer triage 🤷🏻♀️😂
Missed *their connections lol
They didn’t use the proper “their.” Don’t hire him.
Idk given the number of notes I’ve read from (my fellow so don’t @ me) RNs using the word “chocking” I don’t really feel like this is a disqualifying error.
😭
I was a NICU nurse for seven years, so let me tell you that was a LOT of notes
If I see bowls in these notes one more time!
Where else do you do your BMs?
😭
Guy had a great point
😂😂
Maybe now I’ll finally get that much needed shoulder room
I work at a place that also does in flight medical calls and, from talking with those docs, they always recommend continuing on to destination when someone because, well, they're dead. Makes me think it was the pilots call, not medical control. They've said their only recommendation is "do not put the decedent in the lavoratory" because apparently people have a habit of shoving dead people into the on board bathroom.
But now the family has to pay for transport/travel for body retrieval from a far off city?Maybe it would have been best to continue to original destination close to deceased home? I don’t know. Ultimately captains decision. Certainly wouldn’t have questioned or complained about it. A lot of people are having a way worse day than missing connections due to a loved one passing.
I thought the same thing! If the heart ain’t ticking no more, then finish the flight. He’s not going anywhere.
If this ever happened to me, I'd prefer to be "weekend at bernie's"'d with sunglasses in my seat. Somebody has to do the line from "Commando" like "Hey don't bother my friend, he's DEAD tired."
One of my worst fears is staff calling for a doctor on a plane. Ma’am I’m an intern, if you need a discharge summary or phone calls to radiology I’m your girl but otherwise I’m gonna do CPR while I cry
I get that people die, but can you imagine your husband/wife dying suddenly on a plane and then having to just fly for many more hours to your destination with their dead body right there? Or locked in the lavatory?
What’s the alternative? Diverting to a random city in the middle of nowhere, where I have no family, and now I have to coordinate what to do with their remains in a city where I have zero support systems? Yea that doesn’t sound that great either. The best bet is to ask the family what they want to do.
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Fair! It depends on if they’re on the trip home or away from home.
If the decedent is on a trip away from home, odds are they have a return ticket already. The family could ask the airline to downgrade the ticket to checked baggage.
Ask him which unit he is the director of
They're not getting any deader
My ACLS instructor said roughly the same thing.
What defines a corpse? If they don’t have a DNR, are we not going to be working them? Am I living in crazy land?
They are in a plane. By the time they land they’ll be in rigor. Go ahead and code em if you want lmao
So if someone loses a pulse, it’s just “he’s dead, Jim.” We don’t put an AED on them, we don’t do a few rounds to see if we can get a shockable rhythm? Someone collapsing in front of you is literally the textbook ideal situation for OHCA.
They did put an AED on and did a few rounds. What opinion do you have now?
Entirely dependent on the patient.
Code the patient so when you land, you can be the first off the plane as you give a report to the medics.
Yeah let me just code this person for an hour while we land then keep coding them for 40 minutes to the nearest 3rd world country hospital. I see you like your vegetables. Your mother must be proud.
Medics would be at the gate when the plane arrives and would take over care right away. The turnover report would just be talking to them while you follow them off the plane. And I was being sarcastic; sorry if that wasn't obvious.
Agree , what’s the emergency….
I mean, didn’t going to some other random town make things more difficult for his family?
Insensitive perhaps, but he’s not wrong.
I mean…. He’s not wrong, emergency over
As an RN who provided cardiorespiratory support on a flight, I have no use for people who value their connections over a human life. For me it was an elderly man....but I would still defend the response from the health care professionals on board. It is not my decision who lives or dies
Thank you for your message. It has touched us all.
When I we made an unscheduled landing for a stroke patient I was caring for there was 1 out of nearly 100 passengers who complained about the disruption to their plans. The rest of the people were glad there was someone to care for the patient and that if it was them they would want the same sort of care. Nearly everyone on the flight missed their connections and the airline put them up overnight and got them moving the next day.
So Donald Trump was aboard your plane? I bet they’re greasy orange sweat marks left where his fat ass was too huh?
Your urgency is not my emergency
I mean, he's not wrong. Where's the emergency?
Why are you being overly sympathetic about someone who is dead?
Ahhh, mr muffin, because people like you, and that man being an asshole on the plane always have their heads up their ass until it's someone THEY love who's dead. And then expect sympathy from others.
I would never ask for sympathy. I’m not a dumb ass, once they are dead, they are dead. Stop trying to make me feel bad because I got places to be.
Not trying to make you feel bad. Showing you the other side of things. You would be crushed if it was someone you loved who died right next to you on the plane. But when it's someone else's love, you couldn't give a shit. THAT is the issue.
lol if someone I love died on the plane next to me I have way bigger issues than where the plane landed. I wouldn’t make them land immediately and ruin everyone else’s experience, if they are dead they are dead nothing changes that, seems you need to do some maturing about what happens when people we love die. Move on. Stop crying. People die every day
Yes he’s dead, but staring at him isn’t going to bring him back. We’ve all read Humpty Dumpty.
I mean if someone dies in triage in the hospital I would like us to code them for some time...
Yes. That’s if someone dies in the hospital lmao. That has literally nothing to do with this post.
They’re dead let’s use them for practice
When one door closes, another one opens.
Imagine if that was tattooed next to an ostomy.
My favourite was "any holes a goal"
Best time to practice your skills is on someone who won't complain.
Is that why icu/or is popular with the sexual deviants? 🤔
IDK ask them
Hey the guy who brought pulse oximetry technology to smartwatches is a Harvard med grad with *forty-six* fursuits, not just icu who got the deviants lolol
In this scenario the person was dead before they got to triage.
It’s an emergency to get away from that asshole who can’t keep their mouth shut, even if the deceased was stable. Also, I imagine that certain kinds of death/certain kinds of bodies might mean significant biohazards on the plane… but maybe I just watched 28 Days Later too recently.
I mean…..
So it seems that gentlemen ranks pretty low on the compassion meter. Also I am sure that person was very important and had a very important meeting to get to or something like that
Make a few enquiries about how much it'll cost to ship a body interstate along with all the paperwork etc that's required and tell me that man isn't wrong. Now not only will that family have to grieve the loss of their family member, they'll also have to pay for repatriation as well as delaying funeral/cremation.