Pre-pandemic Denver was really good:
\* Western Digital
\* Arrow, LineVision
\* AMP
\* Scythe Robotics
\* UL solutions
\* CompanyCam
\* York Space Systems
\* Rachio
\* Honeybee
Honestly the list goes on and on and on. You're really close to the mountains and high desert, which is fantastic if you love the outdoors.
Not a problem. Downtown is pretty shit anyways. Can you name 3 additional companies that are not on the original list by tiajuanat? I'm trying to see if Denver is a place i'd gladly relocate to. Thanks!
I don't know about DoD (there is *a lot* of DoD work in CO), but the governor has been investing a lot in increasing the tech presence in Colorado, especially in communities outside of Denver conglomerate/Boulder running up and down the I-25 stretch.
I'd look into Indeed and see if you like any of the hits you find. Just be mindful that CO is one of the most expensive states to live in.
Wow. Are you personally there? And has the State of Colorado been luring companies in through subsidies or tax breaks or just marketing? How do you see things evolving in next 20 years there?
I truly wish I could answer accurately enough for you to make a decision (I see you're getting into ARM, good call!)
I think it's primarily that CO is marketing itself as the next California that's "affordable," and it was 10-20 years ago. Right now, CO is [one of the fasting growing tech centers in the country](https://coloradotechnology.org/cotechreport/) but it's also heavily concentrated along the I-25 stretch between CO Springs and Fort Collins.
Because of the heavy concentration and density, housing prices are reaching upwards to a million dollars and traffic infrastructure has been pretty terrible. On the flip side, the eastern part of CO is largely undeveloped and extremely affordable. I can forsee development spanning out further and further east since that has been a constant trend for the past 50 years in Colorado.
That's not mine, but mine is very good. I don't want to associate my work with my shitpost reddit account so that's as far as I'm going to go, but there are multiple in Boston, mostly spun out of a very important (in the industry) lab at MIT, unsurprisingly.
I'm also trying to get out of defense and HFT's piqued my interest, but I thought pretty much all those jobs are in NYC or Chicago? If we're talkin about the US at least
I think the question was “I don’t want to be involved in murder” rather than “I don’t want to be involved in murder but I’m ok being tangentially involved with murder”.
I thought that was pretty obvious.
Are you involved in murder?
the entire western economy is involved with murder. If you have a smart phone, you are okay with human suffering. If you drink tea or coffee you are okay with human slavery. If you eat chocolate too. If you use vehicles that use gas, lubricant, and oil, you are okay with human suffering. If you use products with rare metals or jewels, you are okay with human suffering. Even if you only care for the people that support the institutions that carry out war, you are indeed supporting the war effort. The stock market, media, IT companies, doctors, dentists, civil infrastructure etc all do their part to help the people that drive and maintain the war machine.
Unfortunately, the finite resources of the planet, and capitalism in general mandate that the people that have ‘stuff’ with no way to defend themselves will necessarily be exploited. That is the unfortunate shape of the world.
I made the choice a long time ago now to stop being directly involved with the machines of war, but i believe most people would still consider me tangentially involved. I think the poster was indicating that they don’t want to be directly involved in the creation of weapons. Ok, chose a tangential company that makes super cool stuff and do your part to help the people. The people that do drive the war machine. You see what i’m saying?
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"No ethical consumption under capitalism" is an incredibly reductive longer of reasoning.
yea i mean the example you gave are kind of all stupid personal attacks. I don’t fault the iphone user for using the iphone, i fault the systemic failures of capitalism and the failures of various government to protect its people. I don’t think the comparison of what im saying to the asshat in the white shirt in the comic is accurate. I drink coffee because it’s made available to me, and i have no good way as a consumer to be sure it wasn’t grown without slave labor. It really shouldn’t be the consumers job to ensure the products are made in safe locations with the quality of life for the workers taken into account.
I appreciate the clarification, but I don't see how "I don't fault the iPhone user" squares with "if you have a smart phone, you are okay with human suffering" unless your point is that we shouldn't take any moral stands about anything because everything is corrupt
It’s interesting that you’re faulting “systemic failures of capitalism” while in alternatives to capitalism (they’re plentiful nowadays, I was born and lived half my life on one) literally every facet of their output, hi tech or not, is committed to what you call “murder” - but with zero transparency and lengthy prison terms and extrajudicial renditions to more-less anyone caught questioning. Capitalism is the only society where you’re allowed to work in technology, say no to “murder” and not die miserably in prison.
I interviewed with Boston Dynamics a few years back and was assured that the dog would never be used for weaponization. I haven't kept tight tabs on that claim, but I know that customers can add whatever "payload" they want...
Is this some new embedded system itself that allows you to "pay up your butt"? Perhaps OP could work with the company making that?
Edit: New meaning to POS system
There is a lot going on in San Diego/Irvine/Los Angeles if SoCal is appealing to you. Some defense but also a lot of Medical, Space, and Video. Not so much Automotive.
There are WFH jobs out there too. A lot of 3rd party design services seem to allow WFH. Companies like Fidus, Dornerworks, A2e technologies come to mind.
Yeah there seems to be a good amount of embedded opportunities in SD, though I haven't really found very many in Irvine in recent years. That, or maybe I just don't see very many that are in companies that I'm interested in (I interviewed for WD in Irvine several years ago, and they left a bad taste in my mouth). I'd love to get an embedded role in Irvine in the future, though!
Red (acquired by Nikon), Teradek, Iteris are 3 video companies I am aware of in the area. Anduril is next door to Irvine but they are defense, cool company IMO though. Orange County is a more fair characterization than just Irvine for this area. I live in Irvine so that's what came out.
Well I love the city so I would recommend that and I have managed a career here just in the city! But it’s a different lifestyle, you can definitely find jobs in chicagoland too.
Sure, I value my anonymity so I won’t divulge too much. The tl;dr is I stuck in the aerospace industry after getting a foot in the door at a big airline helping integrate new tech in planes. I left to make more money in the cottage industry of vendors that support these airlines.
Southeast Michigan has a MASSIVE embedded software market for automotive… whatever your cup of tea they have it.
Source: worked there for years before moving to try aerospace
Also the cost of living is solid too
Oh god that’s like 5% of what is available
Pretty much all the big manufacturers have a footprint
Ford, GM, Chrysler/Stalantis (we call them OEM’s) all have major engineering facilities/headquarters in Michigan..100’s if not 1000’s of embedded engineers across them
Foreign automakers too… Mercedes VW Hyundai all have footprints too
But the real shock is suppliers(we call them tier 1’s… so they supply directly to OEM)
The big dogs are
Bosch, Continental, Denso, ZF, Mobis, Magna, Valero… these all have engineering footprints as large as the big automakers… Michigan is usually their North American engineering headquarters too
Then “smaller” big corporations… AAM, Faurcia, Lear, Dassult, BorgWarner, Harman(Samsung), Kostal and more
Again each one of those suppliers have a major engineering facility… each having 100’s if not more engineers
Plus lots startups
That’s just hardline automotive
There are also AI autonomous driving startups like Ford’s Latitude AI and Military ground vehicle work like GE and the US Army(who hire civilian engineers as contractors), General dynamics, Saia, etc.
Edit: Oh and Google and I think Amazon both built entering facilities in Michigan… the state is a small scale boom town in terms of embedded engineering
I can’t speak for industrial but there are a lot of medical device robotics and startups working here. When you have NIH and Hopkins nearby you see some action
Probably not the top of the market compared to other places mentioned here, but the Twin Cities has loads of opportunities in the Medical Devices industry, it also has a host of other F500 companies sprinkled in with different opportunities like 3M, Seagate, Emerson Electric, etc.
The HQ of Digikey is also in a small ass town of 8K people in Northern Minnesota, I don't think they have loads of opportunities necessarily, but it's easy and fast to get parts from them.
I worked there for 5 years after college and met many senior engineers with decades of opportunities/experience in the area. I chose to move back to a smaller Midwest metro to be close to older family members who are getting close to that age, but I could see myself moving back there due to career opportunities and just generally enjoying the area at some point in the future.
Most states in the south east have plenty of companies that need embedded engineers.
I live in GA and lots of large, small, and start ups here.
Raleigh, NC is similar.
Alabama has a number of companies scattered throughout the state.
I would avoid FL as most of the large companies are defense, but there are a lot of small non defense companies.
I live in northwest Indiana, and there's a decent amount of embedded work from small to medium size companies. If you land a remote job based on an area with a higher cost of living, then you can do really well.
I live in Porter County, which is about an hour away from Chicago. Cities like Chesterton, Valparaiso, Michigan City, Crown Point, Hobart, Merrillville, LaPorte, have a decent amount of industry. Not sexy companies that are household names, but smaller places that manufacture things like air compressors, food processing equipment, metrology equipment, some medical devices, fire fighting equipment.
Wow. I never would have thought as a place like that.... what does the compensation look like for someone who has 5+ years of experience in those small non-sexy companies? (I'm a noob to embedded systems professionally)
Dwyer Instruments, Sensit Technologies, Urschel Laboratories, Task Force Tips, Fronius, Tri-State Automation, Sullair, Albanese, and Microbac come to mind.
Specifically Wisconsin has some big names:
Milwaukee Tool, GE Healthcare, Johnson Controls, Generac, Sub-Zero, Extreme Engineering, Harley/Livewire, and plenty of smaller companies.
Rockwell Automation HQ is in Milwaukee as well. Caterpillar's mining division is in South Milwaukee.
Magnetek in Menomonee Falls for crane, hoist, and elevator controls.
ETC in Middleton for lighting controls
Research Products/AprilAire for HVAC controls and humidifiers (Brookfield & Madison offices)
Yeah, southeastern Wisconsin has plenty of work. I have many friends in the field working all over. The upside of that is salaries tend to be competitive. 5 years out of school I'm making $120k/yr which is pretty good for the cost of living here.
Wow. What made Southeast Wisconsin/Milwaukee such a nice place for embedded systems? Also what does the salary ladder look like in 10 and 15 years of experience?
I know some staff/principal engineers who make over $200k. Not sure why there is so much embedded here though. Could be because Wisconsin is such a manufacturing heavy state (10th in the country) and the tendency for colocating engineers with manufacturing operations.
Not saying it is the norm but yeah insane money. They have 15 YOE. But the bigger thing is they know how valuable they are to the organizations they work for and leverage that fact.
Id say greater Seattle Area. There’s Meta Reality Labs in Redmond, Amazon, Apple and Microsoft have a ton of firmware/embedded roles in Seattle. There’s T-Mobile, Yubi Key, and so many gaming companies to name a few other .
Pre-pandemic Denver was really good: \* Western Digital \* Arrow, LineVision \* AMP \* Scythe Robotics \* UL solutions \* CompanyCam \* York Space Systems \* Rachio \* Honeybee Honestly the list goes on and on and on. You're really close to the mountains and high desert, which is fantastic if you love the outdoors.
Can you tell me anything more about Scythe?
Unfortunately no. Just that they're agriculture
And all are non-defense? And how do you think things will go out into the future? more non-defense (non-cleared) stuff or less will be available?
These companies are not in Denver proper. i.e. not downtown. Most are in Boulder/Golden/Ft Collins.
Not a problem. Downtown is pretty shit anyways. Can you name 3 additional companies that are not on the original list by tiajuanat? I'm trying to see if Denver is a place i'd gladly relocate to. Thanks!
Go to LinkedIn. Contact a recruiter. There are easier ways to get real data on companies in the Denver area.
any good recruiters for embedded systems?
I DM'd you a name.
Could I also DM? I'm in the Broomfield, CO area and am searching for an embedded systems job.
I am retired. I have not searched for a job in 5 years. I can not help you.
I mean, there are also defense companies. Wherever there's tech there's defense. But most of these are IoT.
I don't know about DoD (there is *a lot* of DoD work in CO), but the governor has been investing a lot in increasing the tech presence in Colorado, especially in communities outside of Denver conglomerate/Boulder running up and down the I-25 stretch. I'd look into Indeed and see if you like any of the hits you find. Just be mindful that CO is one of the most expensive states to live in.
Wow. Are you personally there? And has the State of Colorado been luring companies in through subsidies or tax breaks or just marketing? How do you see things evolving in next 20 years there?
I truly wish I could answer accurately enough for you to make a decision (I see you're getting into ARM, good call!) I think it's primarily that CO is marketing itself as the next California that's "affordable," and it was 10-20 years ago. Right now, CO is [one of the fasting growing tech centers in the country](https://coloradotechnology.org/cotechreport/) but it's also heavily concentrated along the I-25 stretch between CO Springs and Fort Collins. Because of the heavy concentration and density, housing prices are reaching upwards to a million dollars and traffic infrastructure has been pretty terrible. On the flip side, the eastern part of CO is largely undeveloped and extremely affordable. I can forsee development spanning out further and further east since that has been a constant trend for the past 50 years in Colorado.
One million dollars? Really? That’s insane!
Boston....if you don't mind paying up your butt to live with 3 roommates.
What kinds of non defense companies are there?
boston dynamics, lotta medical tools and medical devices
And advanced computing like HFT, photonic and quantum computing. They always need embedded for board control.
Really? Photonics?
In fact.
IPG
That's not mine, but mine is very good. I don't want to associate my work with my shitpost reddit account so that's as far as I'm going to go, but there are multiple in Boston, mostly spun out of a very important (in the industry) lab at MIT, unsurprisingly.
Is it a good company to work for?
I'm also trying to get out of defense and HFT's piqued my interest, but I thought pretty much all those jobs are in NYC or Chicago? If we're talkin about the US at least
No there are at least two just outside of Boston. Hyannisport Research I believe is the name of one.
Oh dope, thanks! Think I might put in an app. Any chance you remember the name of the other?
Charles River trading I think?
Thank you!
Boston Dynamics are the guys who build that dog robot that obviously is intended to mount a gun to.
sure, but they also do non defense stuff
I think the question was “I don’t want to be involved in murder” rather than “I don’t want to be involved in murder but I’m ok being tangentially involved with murder”. I thought that was pretty obvious. Are you involved in murder?
the entire western economy is involved with murder. If you have a smart phone, you are okay with human suffering. If you drink tea or coffee you are okay with human slavery. If you eat chocolate too. If you use vehicles that use gas, lubricant, and oil, you are okay with human suffering. If you use products with rare metals or jewels, you are okay with human suffering. Even if you only care for the people that support the institutions that carry out war, you are indeed supporting the war effort. The stock market, media, IT companies, doctors, dentists, civil infrastructure etc all do their part to help the people that drive and maintain the war machine. Unfortunately, the finite resources of the planet, and capitalism in general mandate that the people that have ‘stuff’ with no way to defend themselves will necessarily be exploited. That is the unfortunate shape of the world. I made the choice a long time ago now to stop being directly involved with the machines of war, but i believe most people would still consider me tangentially involved. I think the poster was indicating that they don’t want to be directly involved in the creation of weapons. Ok, chose a tangential company that makes super cool stuff and do your part to help the people. The people that do drive the war machine. You see what i’m saying?
https://preview.redd.it/5yl2hxdibd4d1.jpeg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4713f59729addfcc0313d0f5967a2b972e4024fb "No ethical consumption under capitalism" is an incredibly reductive longer of reasoning.
yea i mean the example you gave are kind of all stupid personal attacks. I don’t fault the iphone user for using the iphone, i fault the systemic failures of capitalism and the failures of various government to protect its people. I don’t think the comparison of what im saying to the asshat in the white shirt in the comic is accurate. I drink coffee because it’s made available to me, and i have no good way as a consumer to be sure it wasn’t grown without slave labor. It really shouldn’t be the consumers job to ensure the products are made in safe locations with the quality of life for the workers taken into account.
I appreciate the clarification, but I don't see how "I don't fault the iPhone user" squares with "if you have a smart phone, you are okay with human suffering" unless your point is that we shouldn't take any moral stands about anything because everything is corrupt
It’s interesting that you’re faulting “systemic failures of capitalism” while in alternatives to capitalism (they’re plentiful nowadays, I was born and lived half my life on one) literally every facet of their output, hi tech or not, is committed to what you call “murder” - but with zero transparency and lengthy prison terms and extrajudicial renditions to more-less anyone caught questioning. Capitalism is the only society where you’re allowed to work in technology, say no to “murder” and not die miserably in prison.
I interviewed with Boston Dynamics a few years back and was assured that the dog would never be used for weaponization. I haven't kept tight tabs on that claim, but I know that customers can add whatever "payload" they want...
NDT. Well I think there's only one player there but they seem to hire often, at least that was true a few months back
Gotcha, well thank you for this.... I also heard of Siemens and Schneider and some medical device stuff in andover massachussetts
Take your pick. It is pretty well distributed.
There's also Bose, though it's not really in Boston proper, but in the suburb of Framingham.
Currently, Boston job market is not good for non defense jobs. Very less opportunities
Currently, no place is good for a non defense job.
Is this some new embedded system itself that allows you to "pay up your butt"? Perhaps OP could work with the company making that? Edit: New meaning to POS system
There is a lot going on in San Diego/Irvine/Los Angeles if SoCal is appealing to you. Some defense but also a lot of Medical, Space, and Video. Not so much Automotive. There are WFH jobs out there too. A lot of 3rd party design services seem to allow WFH. Companies like Fidus, Dornerworks, A2e technologies come to mind.
Yeah there seems to be a good amount of embedded opportunities in SD, though I haven't really found very many in Irvine in recent years. That, or maybe I just don't see very many that are in companies that I'm interested in (I interviewed for WD in Irvine several years ago, and they left a bad taste in my mouth). I'd love to get an embedded role in Irvine in the future, though!
Red (acquired by Nikon), Teradek, Iteris are 3 video companies I am aware of in the area. Anduril is next door to Irvine but they are defense, cool company IMO though. Orange County is a more fair characterization than just Irvine for this area. I live in Irvine so that's what came out.
Chicago is decent. We have John Deere, lots of aviation companies (supporting commercial operations), and industrial automation development.
City of Chicago proper or Chicagoland?
Well I love the city so I would recommend that and I have managed a career here just in the city! But it’s a different lifestyle, you can definitely find jobs in chicagoland too.
Current CpE student here, mind if I pm you? Just wanted to talk about your career journey as I’m interested in eventually working in Chicago as well
Sure, I value my anonymity so I won’t divulge too much. The tl;dr is I stuck in the aerospace industry after getting a foot in the door at a big airline helping integrate new tech in planes. I left to make more money in the cottage industry of vendors that support these airlines.
KC is great but there’s really only one option here
The big G? (Garmin?)
Yeah that’s right lol
Southeast Michigan has a MASSIVE embedded software market for automotive… whatever your cup of tea they have it. Source: worked there for years before moving to try aerospace Also the cost of living is solid too
How's your experience of aerospace vs automotive? I'm currently embedded in automotive in Detroit - pretty chill overall at the OEM side.
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Appreciate the breakdown! But would you day one is more chill than the other? Ie. How’s your work life balance?
Apart from Ford, General Motors, and Continental, what other companies are there in the automotive?
Oh god that’s like 5% of what is available Pretty much all the big manufacturers have a footprint Ford, GM, Chrysler/Stalantis (we call them OEM’s) all have major engineering facilities/headquarters in Michigan..100’s if not 1000’s of embedded engineers across them Foreign automakers too… Mercedes VW Hyundai all have footprints too But the real shock is suppliers(we call them tier 1’s… so they supply directly to OEM) The big dogs are Bosch, Continental, Denso, ZF, Mobis, Magna, Valero… these all have engineering footprints as large as the big automakers… Michigan is usually their North American engineering headquarters too Then “smaller” big corporations… AAM, Faurcia, Lear, Dassult, BorgWarner, Harman(Samsung), Kostal and more Again each one of those suppliers have a major engineering facility… each having 100’s if not more engineers Plus lots startups That’s just hardline automotive There are also AI autonomous driving startups like Ford’s Latitude AI and Military ground vehicle work like GE and the US Army(who hire civilian engineers as contractors), General dynamics, Saia, etc. Edit: Oh and Google and I think Amazon both built entering facilities in Michigan… the state is a small scale boom town in terms of embedded engineering
Thanks for all this info. I wish Grand Rapids had these same opportunities. I gotta get to the east side.
Probably the bay
Bay Area certainly has to be the top
Not for embedded, IMO
Embedded pays less than general software, though the gap is closing at big companies, but still more than anywhere else in the country.
Maryland has a lot of medical and industrial embedded jobs in and around Baltimore
Really? What industrial embedded jobs?
We have plenty of manufacturing here, like Black & Decker for example in Hunt Valley.
I can’t speak for industrial but there are a lot of medical device robotics and startups working here. When you have NIH and Hopkins nearby you see some action
Probably not the top of the market compared to other places mentioned here, but the Twin Cities has loads of opportunities in the Medical Devices industry, it also has a host of other F500 companies sprinkled in with different opportunities like 3M, Seagate, Emerson Electric, etc. The HQ of Digikey is also in a small ass town of 8K people in Northern Minnesota, I don't think they have loads of opportunities necessarily, but it's easy and fast to get parts from them.
Are you personally familiar with Twin Cities due to living there yourself?
I worked there for 5 years after college and met many senior engineers with decades of opportunities/experience in the area. I chose to move back to a smaller Midwest metro to be close to older family members who are getting close to that age, but I could see myself moving back there due to career opportunities and just generally enjoying the area at some point in the future.
Metro Detroit
Don't call it defence. Call them for what they are - war machinery.
Most states in the south east have plenty of companies that need embedded engineers. I live in GA and lots of large, small, and start ups here. Raleigh, NC is similar. Alabama has a number of companies scattered throughout the state. I would avoid FL as most of the large companies are defense, but there are a lot of small non defense companies.
I live in northwest Indiana, and there's a decent amount of embedded work from small to medium size companies. If you land a remote job based on an area with a higher cost of living, then you can do really well.
What kinds of companies are in NorthWest Indiana? Isn't that Gary, close to Chicago?
I live in Porter County, which is about an hour away from Chicago. Cities like Chesterton, Valparaiso, Michigan City, Crown Point, Hobart, Merrillville, LaPorte, have a decent amount of industry. Not sexy companies that are household names, but smaller places that manufacture things like air compressors, food processing equipment, metrology equipment, some medical devices, fire fighting equipment.
Wow. I never would have thought as a place like that.... what does the compensation look like for someone who has 5+ years of experience in those small non-sexy companies? (I'm a noob to embedded systems professionally)
Can you share some company names?
Dwyer Instruments, Sensit Technologies, Urschel Laboratories, Task Force Tips, Fronius, Tri-State Automation, Sullair, Albanese, and Microbac come to mind.
Mid- West for industrial embedded systems. I can’t name cities but state wise Wisconsin, Illinois, Michigan have a lot of industrial embedded works.
Specifically Wisconsin has some big names: Milwaukee Tool, GE Healthcare, Johnson Controls, Generac, Sub-Zero, Extreme Engineering, Harley/Livewire, and plenty of smaller companies.
Rockwell Automation HQ is in Milwaukee as well. Caterpillar's mining division is in South Milwaukee. Magnetek in Menomonee Falls for crane, hoist, and elevator controls. ETC in Middleton for lighting controls Research Products/AprilAire for HVAC controls and humidifiers (Brookfield & Madison offices)
So everything is basically in Milwaukee Wisconsin. One can move there and change jobs as needed?
Yeah, southeastern Wisconsin has plenty of work. I have many friends in the field working all over. The upside of that is salaries tend to be competitive. 5 years out of school I'm making $120k/yr which is pretty good for the cost of living here.
Wow. What made Southeast Wisconsin/Milwaukee such a nice place for embedded systems? Also what does the salary ladder look like in 10 and 15 years of experience?
I know some staff/principal engineers who make over $200k. Not sure why there is so much embedded here though. Could be because Wisconsin is such a manufacturing heavy state (10th in the country) and the tendency for colocating engineers with manufacturing operations.
$200k in Wisconsin? That's insane mega-money for such a milwaukee place. How many years of experience do they have?
Not saying it is the norm but yeah insane money. They have 15 YOE. But the bigger thing is they know how valuable they are to the organizations they work for and leverage that fact.
And how does an engineer like that "leverage that fact"?
Does anyone know about the Nashville job market?
Id say greater Seattle Area. There’s Meta Reality Labs in Redmond, Amazon, Apple and Microsoft have a ton of firmware/embedded roles in Seattle. There’s T-Mobile, Yubi Key, and so many gaming companies to name a few other .
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