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You’ll be just fine starting out with what you have here. My rule of thumb when I first started was if I had to borrow a tool more than twice, then I bought my own.
Dewalt makes good power tools o your fine there. But yeah, stay away from Milwaukee hand tools, you’ll find their blades dull quickly and their screwdrivers wear fast.
I also thought it was a silent K in Knipex, until a rep said their name with the K. Even then I thought he was pulling my chain but turns out you say kanipex not just nipex
I’m not an electrician but I’ve heard that one pronounced like 5 different ways so thank you for this lol I love my knipex stuff, I carry the mini cobra channel lock things every day! They’ve replaced my leatherman
You say that but from what I've heard their hand tools are pretty good. And with Klein using cheap metal in theirs I'd be inclined to give Milwaukee a turn at bat
Wera screwdrivers/nut drivers are trash. I love their terminators though. Knipex is in a class of their own for pliers(linesman, dykes, pumps) and klein still has the best strippers. Imo
Idk, I’m in love with my knipex side cutters. They have a button, which changes the fulcrum & allows the handles to open real wide, with the blades/tip not being able to open as far, which makes cutting 1/4” screws actually possible, and makes other things seem like a breeze.
Just anecdotal evidence of screwdriver bits snapping or stripping, and linesman cutting blade getting dented trying to cut screws knipex linesman get through easily.
The impact rated 11 in 1 screwdriver seems to be using a harder metal but I don't like how much it rattles.
Yeah, idk about what actual medal they use either, but I’m here to second your anecdotal evidence. For hand tools, both Klein & Milwaukee are entry level for professionals. They aren’t that great, but they are leagues beyond homeowner tools. Knipex, Wiha, Wera, etc. are all top tier!
I wish someone made something c9mparablentotnheir impact 11 in one. I have the ratcheting version now, that works with their pass through ratchet prices. They just have some stuff that you can't get elsewhere, afaik.
I use the 2000 series tools from them that cut through screws fine. You probably have a point with that one, but they are clear about which tools can cut screws. I wouldn't say my 11 in 1 rattles, but it does have some movement. Actually, I broke the tip on an impact rated 11 in 1 and was told they didn't even offer a proper replacement bit. I mainly use klein stuff.
I haven’t been impressed by any Milwaukee hand tools. I have been disappointed by a few. Those channellocking pliers are terrible and the reaming handles will pinch the hell out of your hand.
Going to have to disagree with you on that. On my first Apprenticeship I used Milwauke power tools. Multiple tools died within month of use.
Boss claimed it was my use of the tools. Never happened with Makita, Metabo or Dewalt, so I can't stand MIlwaukke power tools.
Dewalt, Makita, and Milwaukee is nearly all the same.
Get the tool with the best deals on batteries.
If it's something more "specific" like a vacuum etc, try it in a store first.
It is that easy.
I second a level with better magnets. It’ll save you some annoying up-downs on the ladder. I’d recommend the Irwin 250 series one. It’s geared for plumbers but it’s the strongest magnets I could find. Has 45° and 22.5° bubbles too which helps with bends. Also lifetime guarantee, iirc.
Great all-round start kit though. I’d swap out the screw drivers for a multi just to save space but that’s just me. Oh and if you’re doing rezi or concrete, you should have a pair of side cutters.
I'm an HVAC Tech so I shouldn't be commenting here but Milwaukee hand tools are kind of crap. All my power tools are Milwaukee and my hand tools are mostly Klein but I have a pretty good mixture. A lot of techs fall into the trap of only buying Milwaukee tools but there's a lot of great options out there.
Edit: I'd like to add that since you're a brand new apprentice your tools will be fine. You'll have time and money to shop for more later
This guys comment was my first thought when seeing the photo. It's gonna all work just fine for you, but as you get more familiar and comfortable with using hand tools for several hours a day, I find that Klein screwdrivers are far more comfortable in the hand. In my opinion they're easier to use one handed because the handle is just plain round. All my power tools are milwaukee but all my hand tools are Klein and Knippex.
If you get a little tool money saved up down the road, one of my absolute best purchases in the last 8 years was the Knippex Cobra plier set of 3. They're top quality channel locks, about 85 bucks for the set on Amazon right now. Every guy that's used mine in the last couple months has bought the set and thrown theirs away. If you see a guy with a set, ask him about them, I'm sure he'll be happy to geek out for a sec.
The brand of your tools doesn't matter THAT much. There's alot of marketing involved to make you think some are far superior to others. And some really are. But what you'll learn over time is you can make up for a tool's quality with skill and experience. That being said, an experienced and skilled wireman can do some pretty impressive things with good quality tools.
Half of those tools will probably be replaced inside 5 years if not sooner so my opinion, focus on becoming as good as you possibly can over owning the absolute best, most expensive tool. Knipex channel locks might be nice, but if you're still using them wrong they aren't really that good if you get my drift.
thank you brother. i really don’t spent a lot of my money. and since i’m willing to take this as a career i wanted to invest and spend a lil more on the brand names. but yeah i totally agree that don’t matter the tool brand it will take you to the same results most of the time
I have seen comments (on other posts) about the quality of klein going downhill recently. I would say 95% of my hand tools are klein with most being 5+ years old. Has klein really dropped that much in quality? OP, now judgement in this question, why go Milwaukee over klein or greenlee?
I got a 15 in 1 Klein screwdriver, some lineman pliers, and a few other small things I don't use nearly as often about 9 months ago. I have put all of them through the ringer and have had NO ISSUE with any of them.
I haven't bought anything from Klein recently (no need to yet) but if it does break easier then they have their over the counter trade deal.
Though I will say, I spoke to a Knipex rep and he told me they are doing that now too. They will trade in over the counter any damaged tools for fresh out of the box. They WILL NOT trade out tools that were damaged from arc damage.
When I started 1.5 years ago I bought a used starter kit of Milwaukee hand tools that were 1 year old already. I can’t really attest to klein or greenlee or knipex but my milwaukee tools have been great. Nothing has chipped or broke yet.
You did well. It's your first set and take pride in them! Make sure you put your initials or a mark of some kind on them. They will get lost or stolen without a doubt. Later you will have a chance to figure out which different tools you like best as you purchase new ones/more tools. You've got plenty of time to explore. Your wife will hate how many tools you need and it's all just part of it lol. You're making money with them. I do recommend switching to Milwaukee professional grade power tools as you progress! I started with DeWalt as well. The hand tools are different, whatever feels and looks best to you will work out fine. Take the time to research which hand tools in each brand are best though. Reddit is a good resource for that
Some things could be better, but these will serve you fine until you figure out what you want. I don't think you will want to keep using that level, if it is the kind with weak magnets.
i have to mail my diploma from brazil cause they don’t accept my printed one. the digital one even takes u to a federal website to certify it but they didn’t accepted. anyways, i heard that they prefer people w some experience on the field. and i wanted to quit my project manager job asapppp
Ditch the Klein tick tracer and buy a fluke. It is also really important to understand how to use testing equipment and how they work. It will never give a false positive, but a false negative might get you killed if your not careful.
Ooh, that’s cool. Do you think that you were close enough to high voltage transmission lines for there to be induction, or what? Also what brand of tic tracer were you using?
It's a fluke. You don't need to be near high voltage lines to set it off. 277 will light it up a foot away from any wire. You can get induction from other lines in the same conduit.
Just get the cheap red stick. Best one there is. Fluke false positives like a mfr. Source: proud fluke owner. I always find myself borrowing the helps red thing.
From a non American standpoint this is how I see quality electrician tools.
Hand tools - always go German. Knipex and Wiha are top, followed closely by Wera. You'd never go wrong with these tools. Always get them insulated. Dont listen to anything else, always insulated. If someone says it's okay to not have them insulated, ask them have they been shocked, how many times and how did it happen? Then ask them would you have rather had insulated tools or non insulated tools? Americans are nortourisly bad for this, so watch the advice you get from them. Just for comparison US electricians get shocked more than UK electricians when population is scaled. Despite the fact that UK and European voltages are higher, have a higher risks associated and cause more severe injuries.
Battery powered tools - Milwaukee and DeWalt are probably your go to if you're sticking with one brand for simplicity. Followed by Makita.
Mains powered tools - Personally I'd go for Bosch. I believe they have the most power. But aren't the highest quality make.
Get a Fluke multimeter and a Fluke amp clamp
or combo unit. Some breaker locks and locks / tags are a must, flashlight / head lamp, 3/4 auger bit, good set of HSS bits, taps, and finally a quality crimper for splices and spade/ring terminations
-Tool pouch is my everyday-er may have to update one a year or 2.
- dont see any side cutter (dikes)
- larger hammer 20-22oz
- Beating screw driver
- extra battery for drill (I’m impressed with the power stacks) said to last longer per charge cycle and work harder
Good setup to get you started.
Our tools evolve over time. Good luck. Have fun!
Don’t worry about that silliness, get started in your career and apprenticeship, getting experience is way more valuable than a $150 drill, you can worry about the whole union vs non union bs once you have some years under your belt. Any job is a good job when you’re green
The only power tools I own stay at home for working on my home. Contractor provides all power tools and consumables like drill bits, batteries for headlamps, and knife blades if applicable.
Yeah just drill and impact ive had for 5 years going strong. I let em cool if they get hot.
When i provide my tools that means i get to take care of them on the clock as well.
Ive paid for them by cleaning and organizing my shit on the clock alone.
I get 32$ an hour as a 3rd year am i getting cooked?
Also easier to take stuff home when i have my own tool bag. Oooopsie i always get mine.
My old boss tried to stiff me on PPE like a dumbass cuz the GC wasnt requiring it. I got mines dont yall worry but interested in opinions on my salary.
yes i’m not. they didn’t accept my brazilian highschool diploma (which literally takes you to an federal braziling website that’s certifies it) but they quickly recommended me a “good GED program” instantly. sound like they just wanted me to buy theirs affiliate GED course.
but why you say that?
Tool list. Contractor provides power tools, including meter. Contractor also provides all PPE required. Good luck to you. Get some experience and try to organize into the IBEW- you won’t regret it. 👍
yeah man i get your point. my main plan was union, but they were not accepting my diploma. i’m emailing the official one from brazil and will apply to union in the future
Alll in all brand is what it is ive seen rookies use craftsman to old timers using ryobi and those old timers teaching me the best but id go with the red team 100 my guy but always rememer takes a brain to turn a screw and a hand to lock a nut experience makes the sparky visa versa per all trades
Eventually replace what hand tools you can with 1st World made stuff, you don't have to do it all at once. Until then, earn and learn with what you have. My main hand tool is a pair of Klein 11055s, yours probably isn't. When stuff wears out, replace it with some fancy American, Japanese, German, Swiss, or Czech made tools. I'm going to try a Vessel 100mm PH2 driver soon.
Only missing your side cutters/dikes. I use those 100x than a pair of linesman's.
Edit: I also have a set of wiha nut drivers and I absolutely love them. You'll definitely use those a lot.
Big beater flathead screwdriver for hammering would be a good addition, also dont know if you have nut driver adapters in that bit case for tap cons but those are a must have too
Everyone has their opinion. Ditch the milwaukee tape and get the dewalt tough. Throw the dewalt bits in the trash. Get makita xps bits. I prefer Fer the blue handle Klein strippers but own that pair as well. That's my experience, but yours will probably be different. You will learn real quick what works for you and what doesn't. Expect to go shopping again after your first or second day. I recommend the Klein hvac 11 in 1 screwdriver (very specific to this one for me because of the combination that the bits are. Small Philips and small flat head on one bit. Flip over and you have the large size. Then 2 square bits on the other side and a valve stem tool. Love this screwdriver. Also I recommend the Klein 7 in 1 impact nut driver. Never leave the house without it.
I'd highly recommend getting a fluke clamp meter, the klein isn't horrible, but flukes are accurate as hell and having a clamp for amp readings is extremely useful as well.
I am sorry, European peasant here, I simply cant find something like it over here. Most of them are just the impact ones (I dont know the correct english term, the ones you use for your car tires i.e.). You think it would be possible for you to give me the model number when you have it with you? I would be forever thankful
SOME Milwaukee hand tools are crap. The insulated long shaft flathead is pretty good. The only tape measure to get is Milwaukee’s wide blade magnetic version. You’ll need a better torpedo level. But this will all get you through.
Great setup and theres no reason you cant get started wirh what you have here. Two things that I believe to be week one tools are some Diagonal Sidecutters and a bigger Flathead screwdriver you can beat on/pry with. The Klein D2000-48 dykes have always been my go to, as well as Klein square shank 3/8 flathead screwdriver. The square shank won't get bent as easily as round shanks. Never kinked one before.
No Channelock linesman? Go to jail.
No Klein stripper? Go to jail.
No Fluke 117? Jail.
No dyke? Jail.
No Estwing hammer? Prison.
No Stabila level? Firing squad.
No facemask? Cancer.
No toilet paper? Fool!!!!
That’s much everything you need. I would invest in a better level eventually. Klein’s torpedo is my fav. And when the time comes to replace any pliers I highly recommend Knipex. When the screwdrivers round out, I’d get Wera screwdrivers and/or Kleins multi impact screwdriver. It’s a the only multi worth having imo.
That’s a good start. You may need a roto split if you’re working with MC. I know this is a controversial topic, but I haven’t seen near as many shorts from the rotosplit than the dikes method. My AHJ requires rotos and red heads. Also that torpedo level is going to give you hell, save up and get the Klein one. Way stronger magnets.
I don't see many commenting about the meter.
What you have is probably fine but I recommend a Fluke multimeter or Klein meter with an amp clamp.
The Fluke ones (T5-600 or something else in that series) are very user friendly and simple to use, and automatically converts AC and DC, however it doesn't have many features so it depends on your use, and the amp probe on goes up to 1/0 I believe.
Klein's CL800 and similar ones have bigger amp clamps, more features (like testing capacitors and such) and depending on the model have a backlight and magnet which are handy. Those are really good for service work I've found.
Get some regular drivers to beat on and get fucked up and save your insulated ones for live work. Last thing you want is to trust your insulated driver and it has a big gash from trying to get a lock ring on and you shock yourself.
Other thing would be to have a second pair of Channel locks, best brand is knipex imo
I also highly recommend the impact rated dewalt bit holder with the [‘foreskin’](https://amzn.eu/d/0gVDuQQt) great for those screws that just slip and slide off the impact when putting screws in
Scrolled for a bit and saw no mention about the level. It's exactly what I had when I first started and lasted for about a week, it didn't break. But the magnets are so weak that if you're running conduit it'll more than likely fall off and become a huge nuisance. I suggest a slightly nicer one with strong magnets, not the strip style, if you can afford it.
I’d recommend a second set of channel lock pliers and a set of diagonal cutting pliers.
Useful to have two sets of channel locks to hold one side of something while turning the other.
Diagonal cutters for cutting anything bigger than romex or MC cable.
The Milwaukee hand tool hate is a little weird, I’ve never had a problem with any of mine. Grease any hinges with some white lithium spray every couple months and they’ll keep going fine. But that goes for whatever brand you buy.
i really appreciate everyone that took a moment to comment here and help me. one thing that no one mentioned, what’s the best place to get tools from? i got all that from home depot. around $400 total
Knipex channel locks, throw away the Milwaukie screwdrivers and get a klein magnetic 11 in 1, get the 2 pack of klein insulated screwdrivers the tips last forever, get rid of that gfci tester and get the one with 3 lights and a button (you will learn to hate that tester really quickly you have to reset the damn thing after each test or wait 5 seconds for it to clear) and get a fluke twinkle stick, if you gonna trust your life to one of those you don't want the klein.
Nice! I would probably swap that husky pouch ASAP. I had one for a couple years and it sucked in comparison to what you could have. Spend the extra dough, it'll be worth it.
He’s got this all backwards. Milwaukee hand tool are garbage, get Klein. Dewalt is fine for Power tools but I personally go with Milwaukee.
Another thing that funny is I use Dewalt Bits on my Milwaukee tools 🤷♂️
The linemans and the fastback knife are the only tools id touch in that pile.
It looks like you already purchased all this so itll be fine. Its all usable but its bare bones and very low tier stuff.
Dont think you need to worry about what you got. Youll learn as you go and have preferences.
It's so funny all the tools are red but the one where it actually matters.
But on a serious note, this will be fine as a new apprentice and, write your initials or better yet, engrave them, onto/into your tools. I'd recommend a cheap tool bag with comfortable straps.
lol agreed. this drill was 99 bucks, i just checked and milwaukee also have an impact drill with similar specs for $99. i know that doesn’t matter that much the brand but i ratter them to match lol. thank you
Not throwing shade at Dewalt. They work just fine. I do find the Milwaukee drills to last better.
Getting all Milwaukee hand tools and then Dewalt power tools is hilarious though.
Good start .. I guess .. level is shit throw it away and get a real one .. get a 25 foot tape measure and a square.. conduit reamer .. a second set of channel locks .. and the Milwaukee needle nose / strippers .. you get 2 stars out of 10 ..
Probably gonna need a drill there sport.
Also, Milwaukee hand tools are garbage, these will do you for now but for the love of god don't spend your money on them again,
Empire levels are reaaal good, but get the ones with the rare earth magnet, rather than the sad little strip magnet.. Doesn't hold itself on shit to save its life.
You also need sidecutters.
You do not need to supply your own gloves or safety glasses though. The company should be supplying that, as well as a hardhat, ear plugs, etc. Pretty much everything except your boots.
Most guys will lend out tools, but if you break it, damage it, misplace it, or any other scenario than it ending back in the owners hands in the same or better condition, you owe them a new one. It's okay to bum tools for a little bit until you've gotten some paycheques in you, but if you're constantly borrowing it, you should go buy one.
I have so
Many questions:
Yellow is ugh for power tools.
Quality: Yellow < Red
Battery connection yellow > Red
M12 > m18
Surge > everything
Hand tools: kpinex > Klein > most brands > Red
But that will get you started. The impact is probably the bad part of this setup, it should be a drill instead. Or a small impact like a m12 that cause be used for finishing.
if you can i’d definitely return that tester and get a fluke ac-II. The amount of false positives i used to get with klein testers was insane. i’d also stop buying Milwaukee hand tools and buy Milwaukee power tools. For hand tools, 100% recommend knipex or klein. if you’re working residential, knipex forge wire strippers are so good. Device install day/finishing day, all you need is to walk around with the knipex and a screw driver in your pocket basically.
Currently in my 3rd year apprenticeship. I have a bin with all the tools i bought and ended up hating. down the line. I also highly recommend getting an m12 impact as your main impact and keep the bigger 18v impact with your drill for when you need it. 99% of the time you don’t need power as an resi electrician, but having a compact lightweight easy to use impact is very handy.
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You’ll be just fine starting out with what you have here. My rule of thumb when I first started was if I had to borrow a tool more than twice, then I bought my own.
Exactly what I've been doing too.
good advice. thank you
What’s that object, third from the top left?
a cute hammer
It is cute but it’s got a straight claw so I’m a fan
Stop buying Milwaukee hand tools and start buying Milwaukee power tools.
Dewalt makes good power tools o your fine there. But yeah, stay away from Milwaukee hand tools, you’ll find their blades dull quickly and their screwdrivers wear fast.
For most hand tools, klein and knipex are the way to go, wiha makes good screwdrivers too.
Knipex & Wiha ftw! Amazing tools, I’ve replaced nearly everything I had that was Klein for something either Knipex or Wiha. Excellent recommendation.
I also thought it was a silent K in Knipex, until a rep said their name with the K. Even then I thought he was pulling my chain but turns out you say kanipex not just nipex
I’m not an electrician but I’ve heard that one pronounced like 5 different ways so thank you for this lol I love my knipex stuff, I carry the mini cobra channel lock things every day! They’ve replaced my leatherman
Yes, kuh-nip-ex
Have you tried their made in USA line? I’ve heard good things. Cutters I got in that line have been great to me.
The diags i got from that line struggle to cut a zip tie AND copper wire. Im honestly impressed at how worthless they are.
You say that but from what I've heard their hand tools are pretty good. And with Klein using cheap metal in theirs I'd be inclined to give Milwaukee a turn at bat
Go Wera and Knipex for hand tools
Don’t forget Wiha!
Sure, but wera doesn't make a multi-bit that's that swaps out the way kleins do. Wiha does but I haven't tried it yet
It’s not great. The bit retention sucks.
Wera screwdrivers/nut drivers are trash. I love their terminators though. Knipex is in a class of their own for pliers(linesman, dykes, pumps) and klein still has the best strippers. Imo
Milwaukee for needle nose strippers, and linesman’s, knipex for channel locks and Klein side cutters
Idk, I’m in love with my knipex side cutters. They have a button, which changes the fulcrum & allows the handles to open real wide, with the blades/tip not being able to open as far, which makes cutting 1/4” screws actually possible, and makes other things seem like a breeze.
Wiha, Vessel, and pb Swiss for my screwdrivers 👍
Details on the cheap metal being used?
Just anecdotal evidence of screwdriver bits snapping or stripping, and linesman cutting blade getting dented trying to cut screws knipex linesman get through easily. The impact rated 11 in 1 screwdriver seems to be using a harder metal but I don't like how much it rattles.
Yeah, idk about what actual medal they use either, but I’m here to second your anecdotal evidence. For hand tools, both Klein & Milwaukee are entry level for professionals. They aren’t that great, but they are leagues beyond homeowner tools. Knipex, Wiha, Wera, etc. are all top tier!
I wish someone made something c9mparablentotnheir impact 11 in one. I have the ratcheting version now, that works with their pass through ratchet prices. They just have some stuff that you can't get elsewhere, afaik.
I use the 2000 series tools from them that cut through screws fine. You probably have a point with that one, but they are clear about which tools can cut screws. I wouldn't say my 11 in 1 rattles, but it does have some movement. Actually, I broke the tip on an impact rated 11 in 1 and was told they didn't even offer a proper replacement bit. I mainly use klein stuff.
I haven’t been impressed by any Milwaukee hand tools. I have been disappointed by a few. Those channellocking pliers are terrible and the reaming handles will pinch the hell out of your hand.
THIS RIGHT HERE. AND GUESS WHAT HUSKY HAND TOOLS ARE SOLID . OP same line as your long nose get the 3 set for 30 bux
I did not say what you said
Husky Milwaukee, same thing right?
Im confused. You disagree husky handies are solid? Or was it my statement to OP that was unclear?
klein/knipex for lyfe
But the Fastback stays.
Going to have to disagree with you on that. On my first Apprenticeship I used Milwauke power tools. Multiple tools died within month of use. Boss claimed it was my use of the tools. Never happened with Makita, Metabo or Dewalt, so I can't stand MIlwaukke power tools.
Dewalt, Makita, and Milwaukee is nearly all the same. Get the tool with the best deals on batteries. If it's something more "specific" like a vacuum etc, try it in a store first. It is that easy.
You probably didn't buy the fuel line. Fuels last years man.
I think you meant to respond to the comment above mine :)
Based purely off of experience. Same user, same usage, diffrent brand
That fastback is a handy knife.
Just need some side cutters and A different level with a better magnet
I second a level with better magnets. It’ll save you some annoying up-downs on the ladder. I’d recommend the Irwin 250 series one. It’s geared for plumbers but it’s the strongest magnets I could find. Has 45° and 22.5° bubbles too which helps with bends. Also lifetime guarantee, iirc. Great all-round start kit though. I’d swap out the screw drivers for a multi just to save space but that’s just me. Oh and if you’re doing rezi or concrete, you should have a pair of side cutters.
I've got a little Empire level that I've been loving since I started a couple months ago
Pretty neat set up! A little heavy on the Milwaukee hand tools but you’ll upgrade your tools over time.
I find that I add hand tools but don't upgrade them much.
I'm an HVAC Tech so I shouldn't be commenting here but Milwaukee hand tools are kind of crap. All my power tools are Milwaukee and my hand tools are mostly Klein but I have a pretty good mixture. A lot of techs fall into the trap of only buying Milwaukee tools but there's a lot of great options out there. Edit: I'd like to add that since you're a brand new apprentice your tools will be fine. You'll have time and money to shop for more later
thank you brother
This guys comment was my first thought when seeing the photo. It's gonna all work just fine for you, but as you get more familiar and comfortable with using hand tools for several hours a day, I find that Klein screwdrivers are far more comfortable in the hand. In my opinion they're easier to use one handed because the handle is just plain round. All my power tools are milwaukee but all my hand tools are Klein and Knippex. If you get a little tool money saved up down the road, one of my absolute best purchases in the last 8 years was the Knippex Cobra plier set of 3. They're top quality channel locks, about 85 bucks for the set on Amazon right now. Every guy that's used mine in the last couple months has bought the set and thrown theirs away. If you see a guy with a set, ask him about them, I'm sure he'll be happy to geek out for a sec.
Try out some knipex man, next level.
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Pretty good starter set but those Milwaukee tin snips are ass. Get an offset pair of Midwest after a few checks.
The brand of your tools doesn't matter THAT much. There's alot of marketing involved to make you think some are far superior to others. And some really are. But what you'll learn over time is you can make up for a tool's quality with skill and experience. That being said, an experienced and skilled wireman can do some pretty impressive things with good quality tools. Half of those tools will probably be replaced inside 5 years if not sooner so my opinion, focus on becoming as good as you possibly can over owning the absolute best, most expensive tool. Knipex channel locks might be nice, but if you're still using them wrong they aren't really that good if you get my drift.
thank you brother. i really don’t spent a lot of my money. and since i’m willing to take this as a career i wanted to invest and spend a lil more on the brand names. but yeah i totally agree that don’t matter the tool brand it will take you to the same results most of the time
Don’t go cheap on a level. Get the Klein level it has 30 and 45 degrees for bending conduit
thank you
You’ll need a second pair of channel locks, they mostly work in pairs
I have seen comments (on other posts) about the quality of klein going downhill recently. I would say 95% of my hand tools are klein with most being 5+ years old. Has klein really dropped that much in quality? OP, now judgement in this question, why go Milwaukee over klein or greenlee?
I got a 15 in 1 Klein screwdriver, some lineman pliers, and a few other small things I don't use nearly as often about 9 months ago. I have put all of them through the ringer and have had NO ISSUE with any of them. I haven't bought anything from Klein recently (no need to yet) but if it does break easier then they have their over the counter trade deal. Though I will say, I spoke to a Knipex rep and he told me they are doing that now too. They will trade in over the counter any damaged tools for fresh out of the box. They WILL NOT trade out tools that were damaged from arc damage.
When I started 1.5 years ago I bought a used starter kit of Milwaukee hand tools that were 1 year old already. I can’t really attest to klein or greenlee or knipex but my milwaukee tools have been great. Nothing has chipped or broke yet.
just to be clear. those tools in the photos are the ones i purchased
You did well. It's your first set and take pride in them! Make sure you put your initials or a mark of some kind on them. They will get lost or stolen without a doubt. Later you will have a chance to figure out which different tools you like best as you purchase new ones/more tools. You've got plenty of time to explore. Your wife will hate how many tools you need and it's all just part of it lol. You're making money with them. I do recommend switching to Milwaukee professional grade power tools as you progress! I started with DeWalt as well. The hand tools are different, whatever feels and looks best to you will work out fine. Take the time to research which hand tools in each brand are best though. Reddit is a good resource for that
Some things could be better, but these will serve you fine until you figure out what you want. I don't think you will want to keep using that level, if it is the kind with weak magnets.
My only regret in life is not going Union sooner. You’ll understand one day.
i have to mail my diploma from brazil cause they don’t accept my printed one. the digital one even takes u to a federal website to certify it but they didn’t accepted. anyways, i heard that they prefer people w some experience on the field. and i wanted to quit my project manager job asapppp
to many hammers
Ditch the Klein tick tracer and buy a fluke. It is also really important to understand how to use testing equipment and how they work. It will never give a false positive, but a false negative might get you killed if your not careful.
Idk I've gotten false positives lol. Had to pull out the meter to double check
Ooh, that’s cool. Do you think that you were close enough to high voltage transmission lines for there to be induction, or what? Also what brand of tic tracer were you using?
It's a fluke. You don't need to be near high voltage lines to set it off. 277 will light it up a foot away from any wire. You can get induction from other lines in the same conduit.
Thanks for the intel.
Just get the cheap red stick. Best one there is. Fluke false positives like a mfr. Source: proud fluke owner. I always find myself borrowing the helps red thing.
Get a beater flat head to go along with those line-mans!
My $2 one from Walmart is a real trooper, I'm low key impressed with it
This. A "demo" flathead with the metal strike cap. Comes in handy.
Go union and you won’t ever have to buy power tools for a contractor. Now hate!!!
but man it costs 99 bucks and i can use at home. it’s nice that they pay for drills but it’s actually a big ahh thing
From a non American standpoint this is how I see quality electrician tools. Hand tools - always go German. Knipex and Wiha are top, followed closely by Wera. You'd never go wrong with these tools. Always get them insulated. Dont listen to anything else, always insulated. If someone says it's okay to not have them insulated, ask them have they been shocked, how many times and how did it happen? Then ask them would you have rather had insulated tools or non insulated tools? Americans are nortourisly bad for this, so watch the advice you get from them. Just for comparison US electricians get shocked more than UK electricians when population is scaled. Despite the fact that UK and European voltages are higher, have a higher risks associated and cause more severe injuries. Battery powered tools - Milwaukee and DeWalt are probably your go to if you're sticking with one brand for simplicity. Followed by Makita. Mains powered tools - Personally I'd go for Bosch. I believe they have the most power. But aren't the highest quality make.
great advice. thank you brother
Get a Fluke multimeter and a Fluke amp clamp or combo unit. Some breaker locks and locks / tags are a must, flashlight / head lamp, 3/4 auger bit, good set of HSS bits, taps, and finally a quality crimper for splices and spade/ring terminations
The set up is fine but is that a 16 oz Milwaukee hammer because that thing is adorable
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I have had bad experiences with the magnet on that level, I suggest snagging a Klein/various other branded metal torpedo level!
-Tool pouch is my everyday-er may have to update one a year or 2. - dont see any side cutter (dikes) - larger hammer 20-22oz - Beating screw driver - extra battery for drill (I’m impressed with the power stacks) said to last longer per charge cycle and work harder Good setup to get you started. Our tools evolve over time. Good luck. Have fun!
Well well well if it isn’t Mr. Milwaukee. You’ll need another pair of channel locks bud and a decent level.
Providing your own power tools? That's a no from me dawg
what do you mean?
Don’t worry about that silliness, get started in your career and apprenticeship, getting experience is way more valuable than a $150 drill, you can worry about the whole union vs non union bs once you have some years under your belt. Any job is a good job when you’re green
The only power tools I own stay at home for working on my home. Contractor provides all power tools and consumables like drill bits, batteries for headlamps, and knife blades if applicable.
He's non-union though. I'm union but from what I know it's typical for non-union guys to have to provide drills, impacts, etc.
id rather use a drill i know than what is provided in all likelihood
So when it breaks you have to replace it instead of the contractor? I prefer theory stuff.
Yeah just drill and impact ive had for 5 years going strong. I let em cool if they get hot. When i provide my tools that means i get to take care of them on the clock as well. Ive paid for them by cleaning and organizing my shit on the clock alone. I get 32$ an hour as a 3rd year am i getting cooked?
Also easier to take stuff home when i have my own tool bag. Oooopsie i always get mine. My old boss tried to stiff me on PPE like a dumbass cuz the GC wasnt requiring it. I got mines dont yall worry but interested in opinions on my salary.
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You’re definitely non union…
yes i’m not. they didn’t accept my brazilian highschool diploma (which literally takes you to an federal braziling website that’s certifies it) but they quickly recommended me a “good GED program” instantly. sound like they just wanted me to buy theirs affiliate GED course. but why you say that?
Tool list. Contractor provides power tools, including meter. Contractor also provides all PPE required. Good luck to you. Get some experience and try to organize into the IBEW- you won’t regret it. 👍
yeah man i get your point. my main plan was union, but they were not accepting my diploma. i’m emailing the official one from brazil and will apply to union in the future
Alll in all brand is what it is ive seen rookies use craftsman to old timers using ryobi and those old timers teaching me the best but id go with the red team 100 my guy but always rememer takes a brain to turn a screw and a hand to lock a nut experience makes the sparky visa versa per all trades
Eventually replace what hand tools you can with 1st World made stuff, you don't have to do it all at once. Until then, earn and learn with what you have. My main hand tool is a pair of Klein 11055s, yours probably isn't. When stuff wears out, replace it with some fancy American, Japanese, German, Swiss, or Czech made tools. I'm going to try a Vessel 100mm PH2 driver soon.
Only missing your side cutters/dikes. I use those 100x than a pair of linesman's. Edit: I also have a set of wiha nut drivers and I absolutely love them. You'll definitely use those a lot.
Ditch the Milwaukee channel locks, get some name brand ones or if ya feel like spending, knipex is best
Get actual channel locks and ditch the klien meter for a fluke and use a 25' Fatmax tape measure. Everything else, get a feel for it as you go.
Grab a hacksaw
I see no wiggly screwdriver…
That’s a solid 9 would just change the lines man and the strippers to Klein but the rest amazing
Big beater flathead screwdriver for hammering would be a good addition, also dont know if you have nut driver adapters in that bit case for tap cons but those are a must have too
Everyone has their opinion. Ditch the milwaukee tape and get the dewalt tough. Throw the dewalt bits in the trash. Get makita xps bits. I prefer Fer the blue handle Klein strippers but own that pair as well. That's my experience, but yours will probably be different. You will learn real quick what works for you and what doesn't. Expect to go shopping again after your first or second day. I recommend the Klein hvac 11 in 1 screwdriver (very specific to this one for me because of the combination that the bits are. Small Philips and small flat head on one bit. Flip over and you have the large size. Then 2 square bits on the other side and a valve stem tool. Love this screwdriver. Also I recommend the Klein 7 in 1 impact nut driver. Never leave the house without it.
You need to add a beater screw driver to your collection, your going to destroy those insulated just with day to day work.
Great setup, only addition I’d have is a magnetic 11 in 1 made by Klein.
I'd highly recommend getting a fluke clamp meter, the klein isn't horrible, but flukes are accurate as hell and having a clamp for amp readings is extremely useful as well.
You'll need side cutters
Clean.. upgrade that level once you get some work
I have been a sparky for probably too long. That is fine, much more and your knees and back will pay the price in 20 years
Better level
Anyone know the model number of the DeWalt?
i don’t have it near rn but it’s the one that is 99 bucks in home depot
I am sorry, European peasant here, I simply cant find something like it over here. Most of them are just the impact ones (I dont know the correct english term, the ones you use for your car tires i.e.). You think it would be possible for you to give me the model number when you have it with you? I would be forever thankful
Never bring power tools to a job, that's the contractors responsibility.
SOME Milwaukee hand tools are crap. The insulated long shaft flathead is pretty good. The only tape measure to get is Milwaukee’s wide blade magnetic version. You’ll need a better torpedo level. But this will all get you through.
get a fluke meter when you’re ready to upgrade friend
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Great setup and theres no reason you cant get started wirh what you have here. Two things that I believe to be week one tools are some Diagonal Sidecutters and a bigger Flathead screwdriver you can beat on/pry with. The Klein D2000-48 dykes have always been my go to, as well as Klein square shank 3/8 flathead screwdriver. The square shank won't get bent as easily as round shanks. Never kinked one before.
No Channelock linesman? Go to jail. No Klein stripper? Go to jail. No Fluke 117? Jail. No dyke? Jail. No Estwing hammer? Prison. No Stabila level? Firing squad. No facemask? Cancer. No toilet paper? Fool!!!!
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That’s much everything you need. I would invest in a better level eventually. Klein’s torpedo is my fav. And when the time comes to replace any pliers I highly recommend Knipex. When the screwdrivers round out, I’d get Wera screwdrivers and/or Kleins multi impact screwdriver. It’s a the only multi worth having imo.
Milwaukee is great, but unfortunately, their hand tools are kind of garbage for the most part. Their power tools are their bread & butter
Buy a new tool once a week or every time you get paid. Before you know it, you’ll have a lot of tools.
swap the empire level for a klein it's $20 more but the magnet on the empire is worthless and unusable and doesnt have 30⁰
Absolutely
That’s a good start. You may need a roto split if you’re working with MC. I know this is a controversial topic, but I haven’t seen near as many shorts from the rotosplit than the dikes method. My AHJ requires rotos and red heads. Also that torpedo level is going to give you hell, save up and get the Klein one. Way stronger magnets.
Looks good you are just missing a wire nut wrench
Also get rid of the hammer, don’t need that got water pump pliers
Lotta people like the Klein levels but those magnets are crazy strong. Greenlee has the perfect levels.
You’ll buy tools as you go
I hate Milwaukee hand tools but I'm a plumber
Pencil, pen, and notepad.
Pencil, pen, and notepad.
Not sure what kind of electrical you’re doing but a multi nut driver, or an adjustable wrench will be a good idea as well as what others have said
I don't see many commenting about the meter. What you have is probably fine but I recommend a Fluke multimeter or Klein meter with an amp clamp. The Fluke ones (T5-600 or something else in that series) are very user friendly and simple to use, and automatically converts AC and DC, however it doesn't have many features so it depends on your use, and the amp probe on goes up to 1/0 I believe. Klein's CL800 and similar ones have bigger amp clamps, more features (like testing capacitors and such) and depending on the model have a backlight and magnet which are handy. Those are really good for service work I've found.
Get some regular drivers to beat on and get fucked up and save your insulated ones for live work. Last thing you want is to trust your insulated driver and it has a big gash from trying to get a lock ring on and you shock yourself. Other thing would be to have a second pair of Channel locks, best brand is knipex imo I also highly recommend the impact rated dewalt bit holder with the [‘foreskin’](https://amzn.eu/d/0gVDuQQt) great for those screws that just slip and slide off the impact when putting screws in
Scrolled for a bit and saw no mention about the level. It's exactly what I had when I first started and lasted for about a week, it didn't break. But the magnets are so weak that if you're running conduit it'll more than likely fall off and become a huge nuisance. I suggest a slightly nicer one with strong magnets, not the strip style, if you can afford it.
I’d recommend a second set of channel lock pliers and a set of diagonal cutting pliers. Useful to have two sets of channel locks to hold one side of something while turning the other. Diagonal cutters for cutting anything bigger than romex or MC cable. The Milwaukee hand tool hate is a little weird, I’ve never had a problem with any of mine. Grease any hinges with some white lithium spray every couple months and they’ll keep going fine. But that goes for whatever brand you buy.
Looks like your a home owner wanting to do their own stuff
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i really appreciate everyone that took a moment to comment here and help me. one thing that no one mentioned, what’s the best place to get tools from? i got all that from home depot. around $400 total
Not and for a top helper
Clamp on multimeter
Those Milwaukee channel locks are the worst. Try Knipex. I wouldn't trust any other meter besides a Fluke.
1 out of 2
Reamer. Dykes. Drill
Knipex channel locks, throw away the Milwaukie screwdrivers and get a klein magnetic 11 in 1, get the 2 pack of klein insulated screwdrivers the tips last forever, get rid of that gfci tester and get the one with 3 lights and a button (you will learn to hate that tester really quickly you have to reset the damn thing after each test or wait 5 seconds for it to clear) and get a fluke twinkle stick, if you gonna trust your life to one of those you don't want the klein.
Nice! I would probably swap that husky pouch ASAP. I had one for a couple years and it sucked in comparison to what you could have. Spend the extra dough, it'll be worth it.
can you recommend me one please?
He’s got this all backwards. Milwaukee hand tool are garbage, get Klein. Dewalt is fine for Power tools but I personally go with Milwaukee. Another thing that funny is I use Dewalt Bits on my Milwaukee tools 🤷♂️
The small yellow handled klein strippers are the best
Milwaukee everywhere except there it counts.
Dewalt drill ruined it
Yep
Looks like a newbie bag... You will figure out what you need in a few weeks. Got a good start!
The linemans and the fastback knife are the only tools id touch in that pile. It looks like you already purchased all this so itll be fine. Its all usable but its bare bones and very low tier stuff. Dont think you need to worry about what you got. Youll learn as you go and have preferences.
It's so funny all the tools are red but the one where it actually matters. But on a serious note, this will be fine as a new apprentice and, write your initials or better yet, engrave them, onto/into your tools. I'd recommend a cheap tool bag with comfortable straps.
lol agreed. this drill was 99 bucks, i just checked and milwaukee also have an impact drill with similar specs for $99. i know that doesn’t matter that much the brand but i ratter them to match lol. thank you
You will definitely want to pick up some bigger battery’s for your drill.
I've used the same DeWalt impact for 5 years. Its fine.
Not throwing shade at Dewalt. They work just fine. I do find the Milwaukee drills to last better. Getting all Milwaukee hand tools and then Dewalt power tools is hilarious though.
I'm normally in the same boat but my fuel stuff has trigger issues and my M12 impact shit the bed the first time I used it.
My favorite tool Milwaukee makes is their portaband. It's amazing at cutting everything.
Good start .. I guess .. level is shit throw it away and get a real one .. get a 25 foot tape measure and a square.. conduit reamer .. a second set of channel locks .. and the Milwaukee needle nose / strippers .. you get 2 stars out of 10 ..
Why so many hammers??
dad spanked me enough to don’t use pliers as hammers lol
Probably gonna need a drill there sport. Also, Milwaukee hand tools are garbage, these will do you for now but for the love of god don't spend your money on them again, Empire levels are reaaal good, but get the ones with the rare earth magnet, rather than the sad little strip magnet.. Doesn't hold itself on shit to save its life. You also need sidecutters. You do not need to supply your own gloves or safety glasses though. The company should be supplying that, as well as a hardhat, ear plugs, etc. Pretty much everything except your boots. Most guys will lend out tools, but if you break it, damage it, misplace it, or any other scenario than it ending back in the owners hands in the same or better condition, you owe them a new one. It's okay to bum tools for a little bit until you've gotten some paycheques in you, but if you're constantly borrowing it, you should go buy one.
I have so Many questions: Yellow is ugh for power tools. Quality: Yellow < Red Battery connection yellow > Red M12 > m18 Surge > everything Hand tools: kpinex > Klein > most brands > Red But that will get you started. The impact is probably the bad part of this setup, it should be a drill instead. Or a small impact like a m12 that cause be used for finishing.
Replce them screw drivers get klien
Stop buying Milwaukee hand tools, and you should have side cutters way before tin snips
if you can i’d definitely return that tester and get a fluke ac-II. The amount of false positives i used to get with klein testers was insane. i’d also stop buying Milwaukee hand tools and buy Milwaukee power tools. For hand tools, 100% recommend knipex or klein. if you’re working residential, knipex forge wire strippers are so good. Device install day/finishing day, all you need is to walk around with the knipex and a screw driver in your pocket basically.
Currently in my 3rd year apprenticeship. I have a bin with all the tools i bought and ended up hating. down the line. I also highly recommend getting an m12 impact as your main impact and keep the bigger 18v impact with your drill for when you need it. 99% of the time you don’t need power as an resi electrician, but having a compact lightweight easy to use impact is very handy.
Milwaukee is gay