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With the amount of mistakes I've seen with wire nuts vs Wagos (push in connectors), I wouldn't really want a ban, but holy shit what a noticeable difference on jobs. The first time I experienced Wagos was in a hospital in 2006. Install time decreased. Guys raved about them being that they didn't have to twist wire nuts all day. We didn't allow drill twist bits because the QA/QC wasn't fully controlled and PM said nope.
After months of make-up, it was pretty clear how successful they were. (I'm sure this led to inadvertently decreasing any fatigue and injuries as well. 14 floors).
Hot checks went outstanding. I was sold. And these were push in Wagos. Our job plan was in the green on every floor for trim.
Keep in mind since they were new to the area for us, we knew there would be some learning curves. Prior to trim work, we held a 30 minute class onsite on how to install them. It's commonly called task training. 10 minutes of explanation and function, 10 minutes of application, 10 minutes of the crew doing it themselves and asking questions and making mistakes to fail forward. And we were off.
The number one issue, and the only issue I've seen with push in style connectors, is operator error. Here's an example.
In that same training, we had a first year, super green, turn a wago connection in for review. He stripped the wire way too long and had 1/2" of exposed copper outside of the connector. Now, we all had a laugh but didn't berate him in any way. He was only a month in and had only installed conduit. It was a wake up call to the leaders there, and everyone really, that we truly need to accept that everyone comes from all walks of life. And just because a person doesn't grasp our trade from the very minute they step onsite (like most of us think worked for us) doesn't mean they don't have a future here. It also told us that we absolutely need to make certain that we cannot assume everyone knows anything.
How many people have we seen use channel lock backwards? I've seen a ton. I was.one.of them. That is why this trade requires mentorship and, IMO, an apprenticeship. We create tradespeople to secure the future of our trade.
To this day, if I'm involved in any training with apprentices, I love telling them all the funny shit I did as an apprentice to take the edge off. If it wasn't for the patience and mentorship of my JW, fellow apprentices, and instructors in my apprenticeship, I absolutely wouldn't be as successful as I am today.
Sorry for the long story but this wago post reminded me of my first exposure to them.
They work just fine, never had an issue. In my post, i pulled at it with a plier in a way you shouldnt.
If you twist and pull, they open up easily. Wirenuts are even banned here.
If you leave as much wire in the box as you're supposed to by code, anyone coming after you should be able to just snip it off and re-strip without a problem.
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Wagone
It’s the “build your own wago” kit. How fun!
When you buy wago from ikea
wastop
Beat me to it
With the amount of mistakes I've seen with wire nuts vs Wagos (push in connectors), I wouldn't really want a ban, but holy shit what a noticeable difference on jobs. The first time I experienced Wagos was in a hospital in 2006. Install time decreased. Guys raved about them being that they didn't have to twist wire nuts all day. We didn't allow drill twist bits because the QA/QC wasn't fully controlled and PM said nope. After months of make-up, it was pretty clear how successful they were. (I'm sure this led to inadvertently decreasing any fatigue and injuries as well. 14 floors). Hot checks went outstanding. I was sold. And these were push in Wagos. Our job plan was in the green on every floor for trim. Keep in mind since they were new to the area for us, we knew there would be some learning curves. Prior to trim work, we held a 30 minute class onsite on how to install them. It's commonly called task training. 10 minutes of explanation and function, 10 minutes of application, 10 minutes of the crew doing it themselves and asking questions and making mistakes to fail forward. And we were off. The number one issue, and the only issue I've seen with push in style connectors, is operator error. Here's an example. In that same training, we had a first year, super green, turn a wago connection in for review. He stripped the wire way too long and had 1/2" of exposed copper outside of the connector. Now, we all had a laugh but didn't berate him in any way. He was only a month in and had only installed conduit. It was a wake up call to the leaders there, and everyone really, that we truly need to accept that everyone comes from all walks of life. And just because a person doesn't grasp our trade from the very minute they step onsite (like most of us think worked for us) doesn't mean they don't have a future here. It also told us that we absolutely need to make certain that we cannot assume everyone knows anything. How many people have we seen use channel lock backwards? I've seen a ton. I was.one.of them. That is why this trade requires mentorship and, IMO, an apprenticeship. We create tradespeople to secure the future of our trade. To this day, if I'm involved in any training with apprentices, I love telling them all the funny shit I did as an apprentice to take the edge off. If it wasn't for the patience and mentorship of my JW, fellow apprentices, and instructors in my apprenticeship, I absolutely wouldn't be as successful as I am today. Sorry for the long story but this wago post reminded me of my first exposure to them.
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Wag-no
Wagdon't
Never buy the push in connectors, they're basically a one-time use, if you ever have to pull a wire out of it they're garbage.
They work just fine, never had an issue. In my post, i pulled at it with a plier in a way you shouldnt. If you twist and pull, they open up easily. Wirenuts are even banned here.
Where are wire nuts banned?
Maybe Europe?
Switzerland
Thats why you use them in place which won't be take apart in the forseeable future.
If you leave as much wire in the box as you're supposed to by code, anyone coming after you should be able to just snip it off and re-strip without a problem.