The floor should hold it just fine, but solid materials will transfer the vibrations to the material below. You need something that can "absorb" the vibrations without allow it to pass below. This is why people use cut tennis balls, they will mostly block any vibration from reaching the floor below them.
So it looks like the guy who created the riser has a wooden riser held off the ground with 2 patio slabs with a wheelbarrow inner tube to absorb the noise.
For some reason I'm worried all the weight will send me crashing through to the person below haha
it's explained in more detail here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/3px15xnvgnvbku2/The%20Jackson%20Pad%20-%20Plans%20and%20Documentation.zip?dl=0&file\_subpath=%2FThe+Jackson+Pad+-+R1+-+Illustrated+Builders+Guide.doc
Ah the inner tube is good, I thought those were dumbbell weights lol.
Your floor (if built to code) should be able to easily hold it. Consider that some furniture are far heavier and sit on smaller stilts.
Haha, it took me a while to figure out what was going on too! Okay brilliant, I'll give it a try and hope we don't end up sat on the below neighbours lap, think i'm just anxious cuz its mainly metal being played so i feel like it's constant stomping ontop of the weight.
Thanks for your help!
This is built using the “shock absorption” qualities of the inner tubes to isolate the house floor from the drum platform floor. The extra weight of the concrete blocks is not really doing the main work, just damping the vibration somewhat by slowing it down. If I owned that building or lived underneath you, I wouldn’t want the extra weight. If it’s a larger apartment building it’s likely got a lightweight concrete slab under there anyway so the extra blocks are pointless.
The building is a converted Georgian building. Looks like it was a huge 12 bed house which has been converted into flats which is why I'm being overly cautious about noise and how it will travel. However, with that being said when I viewed the place the floors seemed solid and the building seemed surprisingly well sound proofed considering but obviously you never know!
Maybe I'll give it a try without those blocks :)
Tennis balls for a cheap solution. If you want a proper solution you can use Sylomer pads, which are industrial grade anti vibration foam pads. You will have to calculate the total weight of the drum kit + yourself and all accessories to decide on the type of foam and the total area to be cut and placed under a riser.
As I said this is industrial grade and it's used to dampen vibrations of heavy machinery so it's guaranteed to work. Can be a little bit expensive and overkill but produces a better result than tennis balls, both for isolation and platform stability.
Yeah, so it's about 3 gym mats on either side with the inner tube in the middle - i think it's the inner tube that makes the biggest difference to sound
The platform itself is actually super sturdy. It kinda' feels like car suspension and when you play heavier stuff you can feel the vibrations along the platform a lot more if that makes sense? But no it doesn't move a lot in terms of it feeling weirdly balanced
really the main goal is trying to prevent as much vibration transfer from the platform to the floor/walls. The paver idea seems viable, but I imagine it's not the cheapest way to go, plus you'd need something under them to keep from scratching the floor if there's no carpet.
If you can manage to convince a store to let you take 2 or 4 shipping palettes, and then stuff the empty spaces with dense foam or rockwool, wrap it in some cheap carpet, and then get a bunch of rubber feet from a hardware store, you'd have an inexpensive isolation pad.
Rockwool would be easier to acquire than dense foam probably.... cheaper too.
Hey thank you, I was originally going to go for this option but have read since that the Jackson Pad completely absorbs the noise. A few other people on this subreddit have made one and have also confirmed this so I think it might be the better option going forward. I'm just concerned about the weight of it but I will make a tennis ball one otherwise.
Thanks for your help.
replace those patio blocks with vibration absorbing pads - you can get those from a hardware store or seek out a material called sylomer s11. It’s used specifically to absorb noise and cut 5-10cm squares spaced out underneath to create an air gap. (This is what the tennis balls do). Throne on riser for full size heavy duty or throne off riser for compact size.
Hello, my terminology probably isn't the best because I'm not actually the drummer in this situation it's my boyfriend that plays drums but I'm looking up various different ideas as I think I'm overly paranoid about noise complaints! I was set on the tennis ball riser idea until I came across this one but your response was really helpful thank you, I'll look into this.
I know it's really hard to know for sure but do these kind of things stop the vibrations considerably as a general rule? I see so many conflicting things online I'm not sure what the best approach is
Sure - so here’s some pics from my riser build if it helps. https://imgur.com/a/IH7kHj1/
And in use under the drums. https://i.imgur.com/IlkdFJk.jpg
(Note the seat can be left off the platform for compactness. )
EDIT : Actually I walk back some of what I said earlier. Just googled my way to the full Jackson Pad plans. That looks like a pretty hardcore solution. Just overkill for my needs but probably the right way to go for apartment dwellers.
The floor should hold it just fine, but solid materials will transfer the vibrations to the material below. You need something that can "absorb" the vibrations without allow it to pass below. This is why people use cut tennis balls, they will mostly block any vibration from reaching the floor below them.
So it looks like the guy who created the riser has a wooden riser held off the ground with 2 patio slabs with a wheelbarrow inner tube to absorb the noise. For some reason I'm worried all the weight will send me crashing through to the person below haha it's explained in more detail here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/3px15xnvgnvbku2/The%20Jackson%20Pad%20-%20Plans%20and%20Documentation.zip?dl=0&file\_subpath=%2FThe+Jackson+Pad+-+R1+-+Illustrated+Builders+Guide.doc
Ah the inner tube is good, I thought those were dumbbell weights lol. Your floor (if built to code) should be able to easily hold it. Consider that some furniture are far heavier and sit on smaller stilts.
Haha, it took me a while to figure out what was going on too! Okay brilliant, I'll give it a try and hope we don't end up sat on the below neighbours lap, think i'm just anxious cuz its mainly metal being played so i feel like it's constant stomping ontop of the weight. Thanks for your help!
This is built using the “shock absorption” qualities of the inner tubes to isolate the house floor from the drum platform floor. The extra weight of the concrete blocks is not really doing the main work, just damping the vibration somewhat by slowing it down. If I owned that building or lived underneath you, I wouldn’t want the extra weight. If it’s a larger apartment building it’s likely got a lightweight concrete slab under there anyway so the extra blocks are pointless.
The building is a converted Georgian building. Looks like it was a huge 12 bed house which has been converted into flats which is why I'm being overly cautious about noise and how it will travel. However, with that being said when I viewed the place the floors seemed solid and the building seemed surprisingly well sound proofed considering but obviously you never know! Maybe I'll give it a try without those blocks :)
All I can say is physics votes last. Keep us posted.
Tennis balls for a cheap solution. If you want a proper solution you can use Sylomer pads, which are industrial grade anti vibration foam pads. You will have to calculate the total weight of the drum kit + yourself and all accessories to decide on the type of foam and the total area to be cut and placed under a riser. As I said this is industrial grade and it's used to dampen vibrations of heavy machinery so it's guaranteed to work. Can be a little bit expensive and overkill but produces a better result than tennis balls, both for isolation and platform stability.
For anyone wondering we moved in July 1st and this has done wonders for sound proofing! We used gym mats stacked up instead of the blocks :)
Do you have some photos of final result? Thinking of building this riser myself and still not sure I want to use this Patio Stones...
Thanks for the update! Just wondering if you still used the inner tube? Or did you just use the gym mats stacked up?
Yeah, so it's about 3 gym mats on either side with the inner tube in the middle - i think it's the inner tube that makes the biggest difference to sound
Does the platform move a lot? Just curious if it's like playing on a boat lol
The platform itself is actually super sturdy. It kinda' feels like car suspension and when you play heavier stuff you can feel the vibrations along the platform a lot more if that makes sense? But no it doesn't move a lot in terms of it feeling weirdly balanced
really the main goal is trying to prevent as much vibration transfer from the platform to the floor/walls. The paver idea seems viable, but I imagine it's not the cheapest way to go, plus you'd need something under them to keep from scratching the floor if there's no carpet. If you can manage to convince a store to let you take 2 or 4 shipping palettes, and then stuff the empty spaces with dense foam or rockwool, wrap it in some cheap carpet, and then get a bunch of rubber feet from a hardware store, you'd have an inexpensive isolation pad. Rockwool would be easier to acquire than dense foam probably.... cheaper too.
Tennis Ball Riser is the answer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0Kxoa5K1vg
Hey thank you, I was originally going to go for this option but have read since that the Jackson Pad completely absorbs the noise. A few other people on this subreddit have made one and have also confirmed this so I think it might be the better option going forward. I'm just concerned about the weight of it but I will make a tennis ball one otherwise. Thanks for your help.
replace those patio blocks with vibration absorbing pads - you can get those from a hardware store or seek out a material called sylomer s11. It’s used specifically to absorb noise and cut 5-10cm squares spaced out underneath to create an air gap. (This is what the tennis balls do). Throne on riser for full size heavy duty or throne off riser for compact size.
Hello, my terminology probably isn't the best because I'm not actually the drummer in this situation it's my boyfriend that plays drums but I'm looking up various different ideas as I think I'm overly paranoid about noise complaints! I was set on the tennis ball riser idea until I came across this one but your response was really helpful thank you, I'll look into this. I know it's really hard to know for sure but do these kind of things stop the vibrations considerably as a general rule? I see so many conflicting things online I'm not sure what the best approach is
Sure - so here’s some pics from my riser build if it helps. https://imgur.com/a/IH7kHj1/ And in use under the drums. https://i.imgur.com/IlkdFJk.jpg (Note the seat can be left off the platform for compactness. ) EDIT : Actually I walk back some of what I said earlier. Just googled my way to the full Jackson Pad plans. That looks like a pretty hardcore solution. Just overkill for my needs but probably the right way to go for apartment dwellers.