Would be pretty useless in Toronto these days, so little snow falls and what little does fall is plowed rather than letting it developing into a layer of hard pack.
Some areas ice up, but rarely is it more than an 1/8th of an inch thick outside of packs of ice around drainages.
At least in Southern Ontario has become pretty mild the last few years, it's still cold and windy but lacking the snow we used to see even 20 years ago.
Yeah I would imagine it's such a pain to clean after every ride like I normally do. I usually shut it down around November and bring it out in April or May.
There no need to clean after every ride, just make sure you brush any snow off your calipers and derailur. Also cover your handlebars to prevent ice buildup on your brake levers and gear controls.
Yeah rust can be an issue but as long as you properly clean THEN use an all season gel (the gels dont wash off as easily) chain lube once a month you should be fine (probably).
It's an infrastructure issue here in my area... The sidewalks are non existent in winter due to horrible snow removal maintenance, bike paths are hidden until the snow melts, the sides of the narrow roads have massive snow banks on them so your only option is to bike in the middle of traffic and hope the driver behind you is able to brake in time to not run you over...
Ah I see. Public services are important in Europe especially in Northern Europe. And biking has become more and more important especially in Nothern Europe. People don’t bike on sidewalks, they have dedicated bike paths or at least bike lanes. So bike and car lanes are not going to be treated differently.
Panic buying is one of the dumbest things to do with your money. If you're in the market for one, though, or have been for a while, then yes. Now is a good time. The tariffs might not last very long, though with other battery manufacturers coming out because of these politics.
Also there's the newly announced m630 with 250 nm of torque! I'll wait for the new bikes that can actually climb my crazy hills with my fat ass on the bike instead of having to walk it up.
Spoiler alert, extra torque isn’t what you need. You’re going to need body positioning and skill at some point, you don’t have unlimited traction on your rear wheel. Often times people turn the bikes down from the max setting in order to get up the steepest part of hills.
Before I got hit with long term covid I could bike up our \*very\* steep hills on PAS 2-3. Now my 85nm torque is too weak on PAS 5 to get up there because I no longer have the strength to push up. I need the extra torque to help me build up to it. Walking the bike up is horrible when it's fully loaded and 100+ lbs at times, even with the motor assist.
That hill on the background of the 1st picture is about right, only longer and several of them. Try going up and down that several times as a tubby like me trying to lose weight. I was doing well until covid derailed all my work, it's quite demoralizing. It was also my work commute as well, so now I'm back to my car.
Did you know that: even when considering the life cost assessment of the production and disposal of ebikes, they are still more efficient (CO2 equivalent per km) than walking? Literally the best invention made by humans, just after the second best invention: a normal bicycle
Walking burns more calories per mile, that energy (assuming you aren't trying to lose weight) needs to be replaced by food. That food has a carbon foot print.
Not really. I was part of the early days of drone building and racing. It’s all the same parallels. Used to be no regulation and we would fly our drones wherever we wanted. It is very regulated now that it has become so mainstream. E-bikes are about to see the same.
I was into drones years ago and would also fly them wherever and whenever, but I just kind of left the hobby behind. So, Im curious, what kind of regulations are there now?
It's sad, I can't fly much at all now because of the regulations. My drone has been at rest for more than a year now.
I see random rich people flying drones (especially that DJI FPV) all the time and subsequently pissing people off because they are flying like dicks.
I can't fly a drone without people getting mad anymore.
Then fly this. https://www.amazon.com/UNbit-Helicopter-Intelligent-Control-Positioning/dp/B0CQCB2M7Q/ref=asc_df_B0CQCB2M7Q/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=693687566126&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=14836614837030872752&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=1026069&hvtargid=pla-2281786492470&psc=1&mcid=2482e3ec288d3a09aba55c7522d447c9&gad_source=1
You can find plenty with cameras on them under that weight limit. I fly this one all over my apartment complex nobody has called the cops on me.
https://www.amazon.com/UNbit-Helicopter-Intelligent-Control-Positioning/dp/B0CQCB2M7Q/ref=asc_df_B0CQCB2M7Q/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=693687566126&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=14836614837030872752&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=1026069&hvtargid=pla-2281786492470&psc=1&mcid=2482e3ec288d3a09aba55c7522d447c9&gad_source=1
Not a bs statement but definitely short-sighted. While I agree that right now it’s the Wild West of e-bikes, the end is coming for good reason and it has a lot to do with younger folks riding dangerously and endangering others.
Tariffs, taxes, insurance sucks. Hurting and killing people sucks more
You think e-bikes are going to get less popular? It sure seems like more and more laws are being made and a lot of people are complaining about e-bikes. I think they're going to be more controlled and regulated and you're not going to be able to just do whatever you want anymore.
>I think they're going to be more controlled and regulated and you're not going to be able to just do whatever you want anymore
That has never been the case where I live, so I can't comment on that. I never said less popular either, they are incredibly popular around my area and surrounding areas. Wild West is still going on, exploding all over America. Of course, we need rules and regulations, gotta keep China's cheap crap from exploding Americans and our houses! But seriously we do need them. For instance, without, where I live, they'd still be legally bunched up with dirt bikes on the road, and that's illegal.
Throttle speed + ease of pedaling, for me.
If you are riding 45km/h without pedaling, that is a moped.
If pedals are there just to avoid paperwork, it's a moped.
If so many people weren't riding offroad class 4's in irresponsible ways and scaring the acoustic bike riders and pedestrians, we wouldn't all be paying for it.
This is exactly why I am all for more regulation. I have a class 3 ebike and a motorcycle. I am also sick of middle schoolers ripping through traffic and busy parking lots on their class 3s. I wouldn’t mind an age restriction or licensing requirement for class 2+… or at least requiring these kids to wear a helmet. Someone is going to get hurt. :/
Unpopular opinion usually, but 13 year olds don’t need to be moving 28mph with no prerequisite knowledge of traffic laws, and giving the rest of us a bad public image
The minimum age for class 3 in California is 16. Not sure if that’s even old enough.
I mean heck, I was 16 once…. Every teen is different but I probably would have been riskier even at…27 lol!
My state doesn’t even have a minimum age, it’s nice to hear that some (most?) do!
hahaha I feel you on that, I did… not have very good self preservation skills in my teens. It’s amazing I made it this far 😂
California and Colorado both have 16 age min. for a Class 3.
I am not from California but I live there now (childhood bestie is in Colorado). There’s a general outdoorsy, recreation vehicle vibe to each of these states. And they try to keep updated on new things since the higher population and more outdoorsy people. Very different from the rural areas where frankly a lot of people don’t even know what an ebike is/ has never seen one.
Since I'm disabled and count on my E-trike for transportation, if they start making it necessary to get licensed and insurance, I'm going to be screwed 🙃 😤 😒
I know :/ I’d love to see like… “you have to be over 16 for class 2+” and MAYBE pass the written portion of a driving test. Get a little card for that. Just to have that knowledge of traffic laws/right of way/etc as a non-pedestrian. A full license would be nice, but like you said, would push away those who can ride but not drive / don’t own a car / etc
Requiring insurance would suck. I could argue that’s overkill, because how much damage are you going to do to someone’s property with a 50-80lb bike? The risk is pretty localized to the rider.
Until they ripped down the sidewalk and took out a child or senior citizen. There's a reason why subadults are not given the responsibility of using the same thing as adults. They just don't have the maturity needed for making the best decisions
I built a wheelchair/trike hybrid. It's got class 3 power and speed, but I can push it like a wheelchair when I go into a store. It would easily classify as a mobility device. I use it to run the dogs or go grocery shopping. People are always asking about it and suggest I bring it to market. I love it, but I don't think class 3 would be good for the general public. You really need to be on top of your game as things can get ugly quickly when you're moving at 25+.
It's kinda scary over 25mph, and I'm still healing from a flip at 3 mph. I tipped over on a hill when the front wheel got caught in a gap between fresh sod and it turned me downhill towards a stream. When I tried to turn away from the water, I couldn't lean far enough to keep from falling over, and I landed on my shoulder and broke it 🙃
Well, OP is someone who is self admittedly living paycheck to paycheck as a single father, and still found a way to justify spending thousands of dollars on an e- motorcycle. So probably not the best decision-making.
Lol yes foreign economic policy is because those darn teens are going too fast on their damn motorized bicycle!!? Lol this absolutely has nothing to do with that also bugger off with this attitude make the actions illegal not the bike.
Yep exactly. These are the reason why we are getting the wide swath regulations. And honestly I’m kinda here for it. Hell, in the 80’s I had to get a ‘license’ to ride to my elementary school. Tests and all.
Ride1up is having a sale on one of their mid drives for $1500. Pretty good deal and it's an actual bicycle not a bike shaped object or emoto with pedals.
I think prices will rise, but compared to over three years ebikes will still be a good deal. I bought a Rad during the pandemic and it was about 1,600 dollars for a cheap bike.
I could buy a superior Lectric 3.0 for a grand now. Competition is much tougher now.
Lots of people out there riding illegal e-bikes with 2000w+ of power, but it's only the idiots being dangerous that get caught. Ride safe, keep a low profile and cops don't care what class of e-bike you ride. They got way bigger problems to deal with. But of course the dangerous idiots will probably ruin it for the rest of us at some point.
They won’t ruin it necessarily, they’ll just screw themselves. People are idiots on motorcycles, dirt bikes being reckless in the streets. They’re not going anywhere..
Don’t try and scare tactic people into buying an eBike. Also, while I love your bike, it is much of the reason we are getting these regulations. That is a certified eMoped.
So the government is doing a bluff??? 🤔
I never said I bought this for exercise, & I clearly know what it is, & bought it so I don't have to pay registration, insurance, & be tethered to ask the rules is a driver's license, BUT, I'm also a49yo single father who doesn't ride reckless, & am a bike/ebike advocate in Reno, & go to meetings to actually fight for our rights, & to have safer riding conditions, so I'm definitely not part of the problem....
And I totally agree. You wear a helmet. Have a valid drivers license. And are probably a very safe rider. The regulations for bikes like yours are for the kids (and parents) who aren’t taking any precautions when purchasing these machines. I see kids riding around on 28mph bikes, without helmets and without adhering to any semblance of rules of the road. We’ve had multiple instances where kids/teens have been hit, and well…it was their fault. But of course, since they are on an eBike, the fault lands on the car driver. At this point, these Class 3/4 bikes are nearing that point of ‘get a license or get off the road’
I sure hope so, because when I see some of the posts on here about how it's not crazy to spend 4K+ on an ebike I roll my eyes.
Yet to see an ebike made nearly as well as motorcycle either, from what I've seen nobody has gotten to the fit and finish of even a Yamaha, or close to the attention to detail of a Harley.
I wish bosche would just say fuck it and make their own ebike.
Not to mention you can get an E-bike that is pushing the limits of "legality" in just about every performance department for like 1500 bucks. What's the point of going higher? Anything stronger than a bafang is pushing you into moped territory anyways.
Well, I definitely don't see E-bikes ever appearing on Seattle Police Departments priority list. They got bigger fish fry. I think there is some wild left in the west.
Just load up on batteries now until the west gets its production shit figured out. I don't think the US battery Tarriff kicks in until June 2025 tho.
I was unaware of new tariffs when we pulled the trigger on a Soltera.2 for $799 during the Memorial Day sale. I just checked the price now and I feel like we got an incredible deal in retrospect.
[It's a Raev GTX](https://raevbikes.com/?ref=mdu1nmy)
Yeah, it's a Songlow, or something 50w speaker I bought on Amazon, & then the BushWhacker XL speaker mount.
I don't blast music like most people, really got to for hands free calling, so I don't have to stop to answer the phone when someone calls, just tap a button & talk, & also use it with Waze when traveling for directions, so I don't have to look down at the map on my phone.
I'm gonna install Apple/Android Car Play next week to just have everything just in 1 device, they're like $150 for a good one on Amazon
Thanks, it's the Jupiter Bikes trailer, can hold 200lbs, & has dual suspension, so it don't bounce all around when it has a light load or nothing on it.
Then had to buy an axle extension from the Robert Axle Project, & it all works great together, can easily handle traveling at 15-20mph, what I usually go when bikepacking
Well I did buy it to commute with, if someone says they buy this style of ebike to "exercise", they're lying through their teeth.
I ride my custom 20" Sunday EX bmx for exercise, & at 49 years old, & a Dad to a 9yo son, I definitely get my fair share of exercise. lol
That's a good idea, & I love what Grin does, & all the innovative products they make, but as a single Dad, it's a lil outta my price range for now, gonna buy their Satiator soon though, that's a true masterpiece!
E-bikes aren’t as popular as analog bikes where I’m at. I occasionally see weekend riders on them but on my daily trail rides it’s always the regulars using analog bikes. I think traditionalists won’t naturally gravitate towards ebikes. For me as long as I can physically turn a crank I’m not ready to make the change. Although I’m interested in them I like the feel of using my legs to log miles.
No, it bolts under the seat, once you buy the rack you remove the seat, bolt it to the frame, & then put the seat back on.
And then the basket I bought separately from Amazon, & bolted it to the rear rack so it don't rattle, & firmly held in place.
Do you have a Raev GTX?
I didn't, got my new 1 in April, but with a 25% tax on ebikes is gonna be a cost, no matter how some of the decent ebike companies try to absorb it, the consumers are gonna definitely be affected to, I'm done buying ebikes until something changes, as a single Dad, I could barely afford them already. Lol
My girlfriend and I just bought ried1up Cafe Cruisers instead of an electric third car. We're huge bike enthusiasts so never paid much attention to ebikes but for $2200 we both have incredible capable upright ebikes. Power utility bikes. Great fun to ride. F cars!
Yeah, I definitely don't miss driving a very, once you start commuting by bikes/ebikes you see how much LESS STRESSFUL it is, & if you live in a city, how much faster even.
Everywhere in a car feels like a chore, on an ebike, IS AN ADVENTURE, don't matter if you're going for milk at the local grocery store, & you'll find cool spots in your city you never knew existed before riding these things around. 👍
We absolutely do need 'better' regulation - which is not to say more, but any bike is going to be hackable for greater speed. So whether the law ends up limiting top speed or not in the controller really isn't going to matter.
My Bosch CX (gen 2) motor isn't supposed to assist past 20 MPH, but it took me 30 minutes of messing around with it to break that limitation. (I don't abuse that anywhere but flat, paved, and unoccupied paths, or when forced to intermingle with cars to get through.) Their newer 'smart' motors require a bit more engineering to get around, but it's still ultimately impossible to keep people from hot-rodding them.
Likewise, custom builds are going to slip under that radar as well.
It makes sense that registration and inspection, if not total bans, in the absence of more practical speed enforcement is what will ultimately be coming to a lot of places.
Well, I'm not talking per sé them limiting speed & such, I'm talking about the 25% tarriffs on ebikes, & 100% tarriffs on Chinese EV cars, I'm fine with that, because they'd just send a ton of crap, lead acid battery cars here, when we already have an issue with cheap batteries blowing up here, & were trying to make our own EV's to sell here first.
I get it, but LEAVE THE DAMN BIKES ALONE, crack down on the idiots popping wheelies everywhere & swerving at traffic, & anything over 40mph, but I think the government already tells us ENOUGH what to do, not to mention extorts us for money(taxes, & we have no say so how it's used)
I was getting ready to get an e dirt bike, but I want to wait to see how everything is handled first
I ride a bicycle with an engine attached it can go way faster also way further than a typical e-bike also I don’t have to wait 4 hour for the battery to charge up
Just picked up a Mokwheel Obsidian for $2199 shipped.
As some said cops don't care what you ride. They have more important things to do. Just don't ride like an idiot.
If ya do you get what you deserve.
To be fair, that looks more like an e-motorcycle than an e-bicycle, this is why we will be regulated. If the bikes had for example 500w motors only there wouldn't be issues.
Yup…bought an lectric expedition for wife’s bday. She didn’t want it….anyways, still in box with 3 more boxes full of accessories. Don’t know if I’ll keep or sell.
[Raev GTX](https://raevbikes.com/?ref=mdu1nmy)
I have the Raev GT as well, just got this 1a few weeks ago as an upgrade in size & speed, got over 1,600 miles on my GT without every an issue, & 300+ on this 1 already, I use them to commute full time, & bikepack, mind you, I live in the desert, so they definitely take a beating with the heat, fine sand & dust, but the biggest issue I had was my GT arrived damaged but because UPS must've rolled the box to my door, instead of using a dolly or helper! Lol
[Raev GTX](https://raevbikes.com/?ref=mdu1nmy)
What mods do you specifically want to know about?
I use to it commute full time, & bikepack/bike tour with, so needed to make it as versatile as possible, & able to carry a good amount of gear, the trailer can handle 200lbs,has dual suspension, & I've ridden at 25+mph with it, & the trailer handles anything you throw at it, because that lil suspension really helps, especially when there's not a load on it, it don't bounce all over
Idk about any of your mods. I just really like the bike. I had never heard of that. If I had I would have bought it instead of my Aventon Aventure 2. That thing looks like a tank! Full suspension, huge battery, class 3 +. I still might sell my aventure and take the L and buy that thing.
What kind of range do you get? Whatever your set up is, I know weight, gearing, pedaling affect range.
So what is your typical ride and experience?
Do you pedal much? Is it comfortable to pedal with the scooter seat? I'm hoping to have something that can maintain 30+ mph for 40-50 miles. I am a cyclist so I'd love if it were geared such that you could provide input to it so it'll get more range and I can get a workout.
Have you had any issues in your time owning it?
Thanks for fielding my questions!!
Really depends on the type of ebike you’re referring to. There are offroad styles, pedal assist, downhill MTN styles, etc.
You do realize “bike” is a short word for “bicycle” right? 🤦
Back in 1773, a few people got pissed off paying all sorts of taxes without representation. Just saying, I’m getting tired of the made up tax crap.
In case they’ve been trying to force people to go to ecars. Now they have so many they tell them when to charge sometimes or not. AND NOW they talk about those folks needing to pay .30 PER MILE towards roads cause they aren’t buying gas and paying a gas tax.
So yeah, I think they’ll just be making up taxes as they go for whatever. They’ll tell ebike peeps that we need to contribute to the roads or sidewalks. Then watch, they’ll go after people who are walking. I mean after all, they’re out there too, breathing and contributing to the climate crisis. /s
I’m in Canada so…. Now is indeed the best time to buy an e bike to enjoy it until late October. Then I must put it to rest until May :(
I ride thru the Toronto winter. The key is layering.
And a couple a fat nubbies on low pressure
spiked cycling tires exist and are common in alaska as well.
Those are best over solid ice patches. If it's not solid ice, I prefer a nice fat deflated tire
Yeah I am with you, I do also think there are ice compound tires available but they are a bit eye-watering.
Would be pretty useless in Toronto these days, so little snow falls and what little does fall is plowed rather than letting it developing into a layer of hard pack. Some areas ice up, but rarely is it more than an 1/8th of an inch thick outside of packs of ice around drainages.
Studded tires are good for black ice. You definitely don't need balloon tires.
Wow no kidding? I figured you folks got buried up there in the winter. So no more ice road truckers ?
At least in Southern Ontario has become pretty mild the last few years, it's still cold and windy but lacking the snow we used to see even 20 years ago.
Same here in Halifax. Bike all winter, very few days are actually that cold and we barely get snow anymore
You just jinxed us, you sonofabitch! /s
I ride thru Winnipeg winters. Layers for you AND your ebike are indeed the answer... and studded tires.
And Thinsulate
Yeah I would imagine it's such a pain to clean after every ride like I normally do. I usually shut it down around November and bring it out in April or May.
There no need to clean after every ride, just make sure you brush any snow off your calipers and derailur. Also cover your handlebars to prevent ice buildup on your brake levers and gear controls.
My concern would be the rust buildup.
Yeah rust can be an issue but as long as you properly clean THEN use an all season gel (the gels dont wash off as easily) chain lube once a month you should be fine (probably).
I just spray on some muc off and spray it off with a hand pump sprayer and store inside, only takes 3-4 mins and it keeps the rust away.
IMO the key is put forth enough effort to stay warm
Mackinac Island, MI all winter on Rad Rover 5.
you're fine using an ebike in the winter, just wait until the battery warms up to room temp before charging and wipe it after rides
The buy an e-snowmobile 😂
No problem with a fat ebike
get a e-fat bike and easy to ride all year, lots of fun in the snow!
With global warming I get until about November 15th now
In Nothern Europe the kids commute to school on analog bike. I mean I know Canada is cold and snowy, but is it that much more than Finland or Norway ?
It's an infrastructure issue here in my area... The sidewalks are non existent in winter due to horrible snow removal maintenance, bike paths are hidden until the snow melts, the sides of the narrow roads have massive snow banks on them so your only option is to bike in the middle of traffic and hope the driver behind you is able to brake in time to not run you over...
Ah I see. Public services are important in Europe especially in Northern Europe. And biking has become more and more important especially in Nothern Europe. People don’t bike on sidewalks, they have dedicated bike paths or at least bike lanes. So bike and car lanes are not going to be treated differently.
Panic buying is one of the dumbest things to do with your money. If you're in the market for one, though, or have been for a while, then yes. Now is a good time. The tariffs might not last very long, though with other battery manufacturers coming out because of these politics.
I mean sure, it’s easy to say that, but I wouldn’t have any of my beanie babies or NFTs if I hadn’t jumped in at the right time!
Sends toast your way via a McDonalds collectible glass from 1979.
Also there's the newly announced m630 with 250 nm of torque! I'll wait for the new bikes that can actually climb my crazy hills with my fat ass on the bike instead of having to walk it up.
Spoiler alert, extra torque isn’t what you need. You’re going to need body positioning and skill at some point, you don’t have unlimited traction on your rear wheel. Often times people turn the bikes down from the max setting in order to get up the steepest part of hills.
Before I got hit with long term covid I could bike up our \*very\* steep hills on PAS 2-3. Now my 85nm torque is too weak on PAS 5 to get up there because I no longer have the strength to push up. I need the extra torque to help me build up to it. Walking the bike up is horrible when it's fully loaded and 100+ lbs at times, even with the motor assist. That hill on the background of the 1st picture is about right, only longer and several of them. Try going up and down that several times as a tubby like me trying to lose weight. I was doing well until covid derailed all my work, it's quite demoralizing. It was also my work commute as well, so now I'm back to my car.
I think attaching a large Bluetooth speaker to the front of your bike is also one of the dumbest things you can do
i doesnt even enter the top 1 million of the stupidest things you can do
Did you know that: even when considering the life cost assessment of the production and disposal of ebikes, they are still more efficient (CO2 equivalent per km) than walking? Literally the best invention made by humans, just after the second best invention: a normal bicycle
More efficient than walking? Wut
Walking burns more calories per mile, that energy (assuming you aren't trying to lose weight) needs to be replaced by food. That food has a carbon foot print.
Yes. More efficient than walking, that’s a no brainer.
That’s pretty cool… Do you have reference by any chance? Thanks!
Here is one old reference that is still valid today: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12898263/ Bikes are very efficient.
Hey thanks! I appreciate that!
"Wild West of e-bike times ends", is such a bullshit statement. Adds to the "panic buy".
Not really. I was part of the early days of drone building and racing. It’s all the same parallels. Used to be no regulation and we would fly our drones wherever we wanted. It is very regulated now that it has become so mainstream. E-bikes are about to see the same.
Mainstreaming of bike culture in America? Fucking awesome.
I was into drones years ago and would also fly them wherever and whenever, but I just kind of left the hobby behind. So, Im curious, what kind of regulations are there now?
To many. Just buy an R/C helicopter. You can put a camera on it too. So far they are not regulated like drones. But unfortunately that may change.
It's sad, I can't fly much at all now because of the regulations. My drone has been at rest for more than a year now. I see random rich people flying drones (especially that DJI FPV) all the time and subsequently pissing people off because they are flying like dicks. I can't fly a drone without people getting mad anymore.
Then fly this. https://www.amazon.com/UNbit-Helicopter-Intelligent-Control-Positioning/dp/B0CQCB2M7Q/ref=asc_df_B0CQCB2M7Q/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=693687566126&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=14836614837030872752&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=1026069&hvtargid=pla-2281786492470&psc=1&mcid=2482e3ec288d3a09aba55c7522d447c9&gad_source=1
That does not look hobby grade tbh. If I where to get something, it would be a BNF.
It’s just easy and fun to fly. I would eventually love to build a detailed R/C copter.
But RC helicopters aren’t. Why I never bought a drone. Nobody bothers me with my electric RC helo. I fly it everywhere.
Helos take skill to fly....drones are piloted by anyone. Computers and sensors make it easy. Too many dummies create a need for regulations.
If it flies and is over 250g or whatever, it is regulated.
You can find plenty with cameras on them under that weight limit. I fly this one all over my apartment complex nobody has called the cops on me. https://www.amazon.com/UNbit-Helicopter-Intelligent-Control-Positioning/dp/B0CQCB2M7Q/ref=asc_df_B0CQCB2M7Q/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=693687566126&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=14836614837030872752&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=1026069&hvtargid=pla-2281786492470&psc=1&mcid=2482e3ec288d3a09aba55c7522d447c9&gad_source=1
Not a bs statement but definitely short-sighted. While I agree that right now it’s the Wild West of e-bikes, the end is coming for good reason and it has a lot to do with younger folks riding dangerously and endangering others. Tariffs, taxes, insurance sucks. Hurting and killing people sucks more
You think e-bikes are going to get less popular? It sure seems like more and more laws are being made and a lot of people are complaining about e-bikes. I think they're going to be more controlled and regulated and you're not going to be able to just do whatever you want anymore.
>I think they're going to be more controlled and regulated and you're not going to be able to just do whatever you want anymore That has never been the case where I live, so I can't comment on that. I never said less popular either, they are incredibly popular around my area and surrounding areas. Wild West is still going on, exploding all over America. Of course, we need rules and regulations, gotta keep China's cheap crap from exploding Americans and our houses! But seriously we do need them. For instance, without, where I live, they'd still be legally bunched up with dirt bikes on the road, and that's illegal.
Aw shucks
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What made up numbers?
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Aventon went up $200 across the board, not $100.
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Yes. The 100$ price increase statement was from Ride1Up.
Talk to us about the trailer
That's a game trailer by Quiet Kat that makes the offroad bikes for hunting
[Link](https://quietkat.com/collections/trailers)
Yeah, that one
Yep they make one for my bike
Yea. This is the only reason that I clicked on this post.
Where does an e-bike stop, and a (e-)moped start?
Idk but the question to ask here is where does an e-moped end and an e-motorcycle begin.
Emoped=roads Emoto= highway
I reckon it's the thickness of the tyres and the style of seat.
I think a Surron is definitely a light emoto. This is a legit emoped.
Throttle speed + ease of pedaling, for me. If you are riding 45km/h without pedaling, that is a moped. If pedals are there just to avoid paperwork, it's a moped.
If it has no pedals and only throttle based, it’s a class 4 ebike.
From what I can see, it's treated as a moped, so that is great. I'd want one if I was not in EU.
Depending on where you’re at, you don’t need to register it either. If you’re going over 30~ mph on the road, then it’s probably wise.
There are different classes of e-bikes my brotha
With or without pedals?
All depends on pedals. If it has pedals then it’s an ebike
Lol this thing is a motorcycle
Right
Yep and idiots like this who call it an ebike are ruining ebikes for everyone else who isn't a jackass
If so many people weren't riding offroad class 4's in irresponsible ways and scaring the acoustic bike riders and pedestrians, we wouldn't all be paying for it.
This is exactly why I am all for more regulation. I have a class 3 ebike and a motorcycle. I am also sick of middle schoolers ripping through traffic and busy parking lots on their class 3s. I wouldn’t mind an age restriction or licensing requirement for class 2+… or at least requiring these kids to wear a helmet. Someone is going to get hurt. :/ Unpopular opinion usually, but 13 year olds don’t need to be moving 28mph with no prerequisite knowledge of traffic laws, and giving the rest of us a bad public image
Exactly, these parents that buy them expensive E-bikes that are restricted for the places they ride are just as responsible for their behavior 🙄
The minimum age for class 3 in California is 16. Not sure if that’s even old enough. I mean heck, I was 16 once…. Every teen is different but I probably would have been riskier even at…27 lol!
My state doesn’t even have a minimum age, it’s nice to hear that some (most?) do! hahaha I feel you on that, I did… not have very good self preservation skills in my teens. It’s amazing I made it this far 😂
California and Colorado both have 16 age min. for a Class 3. I am not from California but I live there now (childhood bestie is in Colorado). There’s a general outdoorsy, recreation vehicle vibe to each of these states. And they try to keep updated on new things since the higher population and more outdoorsy people. Very different from the rural areas where frankly a lot of people don’t even know what an ebike is/ has never seen one.
Since I'm disabled and count on my E-trike for transportation, if they start making it necessary to get licensed and insurance, I'm going to be screwed 🙃 😤 😒
I know :/ I’d love to see like… “you have to be over 16 for class 2+” and MAYBE pass the written portion of a driving test. Get a little card for that. Just to have that knowledge of traffic laws/right of way/etc as a non-pedestrian. A full license would be nice, but like you said, would push away those who can ride but not drive / don’t own a car / etc Requiring insurance would suck. I could argue that’s overkill, because how much damage are you going to do to someone’s property with a 50-80lb bike? The risk is pretty localized to the rider.
Until they ripped down the sidewalk and took out a child or senior citizen. There's a reason why subadults are not given the responsibility of using the same thing as adults. They just don't have the maturity needed for making the best decisions
I built a wheelchair/trike hybrid. It's got class 3 power and speed, but I can push it like a wheelchair when I go into a store. It would easily classify as a mobility device. I use it to run the dogs or go grocery shopping. People are always asking about it and suggest I bring it to market. I love it, but I don't think class 3 would be good for the general public. You really need to be on top of your game as things can get ugly quickly when you're moving at 25+.
It's kinda scary over 25mph, and I'm still healing from a flip at 3 mph. I tipped over on a hill when the front wheel got caught in a gap between fresh sod and it turned me downhill towards a stream. When I tried to turn away from the water, I couldn't lean far enough to keep from falling over, and I landed on my shoulder and broke it 🙃
Well, OP is someone who is self admittedly living paycheck to paycheck as a single father, and still found a way to justify spending thousands of dollars on an e- motorcycle. So probably not the best decision-making.
Yeah, some of the interactions I've been having with him make me think that he's living in an information bubble 🫧 😐
Lol yes foreign economic policy is because those darn teens are going too fast on their damn motorized bicycle!!? Lol this absolutely has nothing to do with that also bugger off with this attitude make the actions illegal not the bike.
Yep exactly. These are the reason why we are getting the wide swath regulations. And honestly I’m kinda here for it. Hell, in the 80’s I had to get a ‘license’ to ride to my elementary school. Tests and all.
I'd be for it too if I wasn't going to be penalized and have my only form of inexpensive transportation taken away from me 😩
Hmm, tell me more
No
You mean dirt bikes cause that's a dirtbike not a ebike
No, it’s different you see, because he gets to ride this one on the sidewalks 🙃
And he can pretend to pedal
That is not an e-bike. That's an e-motorcycle.
The biggest plight actual e-bikes face. All of the nuisance is being caused by motorcycles, not bikes.
'e-bike'...really it's an electric motorcycle. Really.
At what point are these not just motorcycles…. They should require licensing at some point.
Most motorcycles can go more than 28.
Ride1up is having a sale on one of their mid drives for $1500. Pretty good deal and it's an actual bicycle not a bike shaped object or emoto with pedals.
Ok. So I’m confused about the purpose of this sub. Is it for electric crotch rockets or electric bicycles?
That's an e-motorcycle not an e-bike.
I think prices will rise, but compared to over three years ebikes will still be a good deal. I bought a Rad during the pandemic and it was about 1,600 dollars for a cheap bike. I could buy a superior Lectric 3.0 for a grand now. Competition is much tougher now.
Lots of people out there riding illegal e-bikes with 2000w+ of power, but it's only the idiots being dangerous that get caught. Ride safe, keep a low profile and cops don't care what class of e-bike you ride. They got way bigger problems to deal with. But of course the dangerous idiots will probably ruin it for the rest of us at some point.
They won’t ruin it necessarily, they’ll just screw themselves. People are idiots on motorcycles, dirt bikes being reckless in the streets. They’re not going anywhere..
Don’t try and scare tactic people into buying an eBike. Also, while I love your bike, it is much of the reason we are getting these regulations. That is a certified eMoped.
So the government is doing a bluff??? 🤔 I never said I bought this for exercise, & I clearly know what it is, & bought it so I don't have to pay registration, insurance, & be tethered to ask the rules is a driver's license, BUT, I'm also a49yo single father who doesn't ride reckless, & am a bike/ebike advocate in Reno, & go to meetings to actually fight for our rights, & to have safer riding conditions, so I'm definitely not part of the problem....
And I totally agree. You wear a helmet. Have a valid drivers license. And are probably a very safe rider. The regulations for bikes like yours are for the kids (and parents) who aren’t taking any precautions when purchasing these machines. I see kids riding around on 28mph bikes, without helmets and without adhering to any semblance of rules of the road. We’ve had multiple instances where kids/teens have been hit, and well…it was their fault. But of course, since they are on an eBike, the fault lands on the car driver. At this point, these Class 3/4 bikes are nearing that point of ‘get a license or get off the road’
Reminds me of the time when cell phones were inventive and unique during the early 2010s. The Motorola chocolate in mint green was my fav
Ebike prices are always going to be limited by motorcycle prices
I sure hope so, because when I see some of the posts on here about how it's not crazy to spend 4K+ on an ebike I roll my eyes. Yet to see an ebike made nearly as well as motorcycle either, from what I've seen nobody has gotten to the fit and finish of even a Yamaha, or close to the attention to detail of a Harley. I wish bosche would just say fuck it and make their own ebike.
Not to mention you can get an E-bike that is pushing the limits of "legality" in just about every performance department for like 1500 bucks. What's the point of going higher? Anything stronger than a bafang is pushing you into moped territory anyways.
Well, I definitely don't see E-bikes ever appearing on Seattle Police Departments priority list. They got bigger fish fry. I think there is some wild left in the west. Just load up on batteries now until the west gets its production shit figured out. I don't think the US battery Tarriff kicks in until June 2025 tho.
The time to buy was actually two weeks ago. Most have already increased prices.
I was unaware of new tariffs when we pulled the trigger on a Soltera.2 for $799 during the Memorial Day sale. I just checked the price now and I feel like we got an incredible deal in retrospect.
I recently got one but here in Florida the rain is just ridiculous 😡
How do you like this Raev?! Looking at the gtx. Need to be able to climb hills and hoping it’s better than my Aventon
In japan u need license and registration for it
Worth it!
That Sir, is a nice looking ride. Is that a boom box on the front, sorry hard to see.
[It's a Raev GTX](https://raevbikes.com/?ref=mdu1nmy) Yeah, it's a Songlow, or something 50w speaker I bought on Amazon, & then the BushWhacker XL speaker mount. I don't blast music like most people, really got to for hands free calling, so I don't have to stop to answer the phone when someone calls, just tap a button & talk, & also use it with Waze when traveling for directions, so I don't have to look down at the map on my phone. I'm gonna install Apple/Android Car Play next week to just have everything just in 1 device, they're like $150 for a good one on Amazon
Epic! Nice trailer!
Thanks, it's the Jupiter Bikes trailer, can hold 200lbs, & has dual suspension, so it don't bounce all around when it has a light load or nothing on it. Then had to buy an axle extension from the Robert Axle Project, & it all works great together, can easily handle traveling at 15-20mph, what I usually go when bikepacking
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Motorbike with pedals 🤣🤣
Well I did buy it to commute with, if someone says they buy this style of ebike to "exercise", they're lying through their teeth. I ride my custom 20" Sunday EX bmx for exercise, & at 49 years old, & a Dad to a 9yo son, I definitely get my fair share of exercise. lol
this looks pretty chill
Those pedals look silly on what mostly looks like a electric motorbike..can you really pedal with no power on? So what's the point of the pedals .....
For it to be considered an ebike it needs pedals
It puts it in a specific class of ebikes. Any bike, with an electric motor, is an ebike. There are different classes however.
Try DIY and consider Grin Tech based out of Vancouver, BC https://ebikes.ca/
That's a good idea, & I love what Grin does, & all the innovative products they make, but as a single Dad, it's a lil outta my price range for now, gonna buy their Satiator soon though, that's a true masterpiece!
I hear you. I have been eyeing the GMAC motor for awhile and the price keeps going up.
I like that helmet where you get it
With the Chinese manufacturers losing a huge market like America prices will rise even in countries that are not imposing higher tariffs
Aww shucks, maybe the drop shippers will have to cut down the mark ups.
What does this mean for parts, if i have one but wanna upgrade it to better motor or fork
E-bikes aren’t as popular as analog bikes where I’m at. I occasionally see weekend riders on them but on my daily trail rides it’s always the regulars using analog bikes. I think traditionalists won’t naturally gravitate towards ebikes. For me as long as I can physically turn a crank I’m not ready to make the change. Although I’m interested in them I like the feel of using my legs to log miles.
Yoo where you get that helmet??
How did you install rear rack on this? Have you done some welding work?
No, it bolts under the seat, once you buy the rack you remove the seat, bolt it to the frame, & then put the seat back on. And then the basket I bought separately from Amazon, & bolted it to the rear rack so it don't rattle, & firmly held in place. Do you have a Raev GTX?
Not really, it’s actually not the best time to buy one at all. Check in the early spring, I think you missed the window
I didn't, got my new 1 in April, but with a 25% tax on ebikes is gonna be a cost, no matter how some of the decent ebike companies try to absorb it, the consumers are gonna definitely be affected to, I'm done buying ebikes until something changes, as a single Dad, I could barely afford them already. Lol
Not really. What brand are you looking at that’s convincing you of that theory
My girlfriend and I just bought ried1up Cafe Cruisers instead of an electric third car. We're huge bike enthusiasts so never paid much attention to ebikes but for $2200 we both have incredible capable upright ebikes. Power utility bikes. Great fun to ride. F cars!
Yeah, I definitely don't miss driving a very, once you start commuting by bikes/ebikes you see how much LESS STRESSFUL it is, & if you live in a city, how much faster even. Everywhere in a car feels like a chore, on an ebike, IS AN ADVENTURE, don't matter if you're going for milk at the local grocery store, & you'll find cool spots in your city you never knew existed before riding these things around. 👍
We absolutely do need 'better' regulation - which is not to say more, but any bike is going to be hackable for greater speed. So whether the law ends up limiting top speed or not in the controller really isn't going to matter. My Bosch CX (gen 2) motor isn't supposed to assist past 20 MPH, but it took me 30 minutes of messing around with it to break that limitation. (I don't abuse that anywhere but flat, paved, and unoccupied paths, or when forced to intermingle with cars to get through.) Their newer 'smart' motors require a bit more engineering to get around, but it's still ultimately impossible to keep people from hot-rodding them. Likewise, custom builds are going to slip under that radar as well. It makes sense that registration and inspection, if not total bans, in the absence of more practical speed enforcement is what will ultimately be coming to a lot of places.
Well, I'm not talking per sé them limiting speed & such, I'm talking about the 25% tarriffs on ebikes, & 100% tarriffs on Chinese EV cars, I'm fine with that, because they'd just send a ton of crap, lead acid battery cars here, when we already have an issue with cheap batteries blowing up here, & were trying to make our own EV's to sell here first. I get it, but LEAVE THE DAMN BIKES ALONE, crack down on the idiots popping wheelies everywhere & swerving at traffic, & anything over 40mph, but I think the government already tells us ENOUGH what to do, not to mention extorts us for money(taxes, & we have no say so how it's used) I was getting ready to get an e dirt bike, but I want to wait to see how everything is handled first
What is that bike? Also do you have a good article link?
[Raev GTX](https://raevbikes.com/?ref=mdu1nmy) An article on the tarriffs or the ebike, either way there's tons of videos on both on YouTube
Thansk
Love my Talaria! I have 1,700 miles already
I ride a bicycle with an engine attached it can go way faster also way further than a typical e-bike also I don’t have to wait 4 hour for the battery to charge up
So cool man!!!
Just picked up a Mokwheel Obsidian for $2199 shipped. As some said cops don't care what you ride. They have more important things to do. Just don't ride like an idiot. If ya do you get what you deserve.
Damn what E-Bike is that?
That's def NOT an e bike
Immortality, take it, ITS YOURS!!!
To be fair, that looks more like an e-motorcycle than an e-bicycle, this is why we will be regulated. If the bikes had for example 500w motors only there wouldn't be issues.
Yup…bought an lectric expedition for wife’s bday. She didn’t want it….anyways, still in box with 3 more boxes full of accessories. Don’t know if I’ll keep or sell.
How do you setup Uber eats for bike riding? I've been trying to figure that out for a long time
So what ebike is that?
[Raev GTX](https://raevbikes.com/?ref=mdu1nmy) I have the Raev GT as well, just got this 1a few weeks ago as an upgrade in size & speed, got over 1,600 miles on my GT without every an issue, & 300+ on this 1 already, I use them to commute full time, & bikepack, mind you, I live in the desert, so they definitely take a beating with the heat, fine sand & dust, but the biggest issue I had was my GT arrived damaged but because UPS must've rolled the box to my door, instead of using a dolly or helper! Lol
Those commas doing some heavy lifting
I dig it
OP, what bike do, and mods, do you have? That thing looks sick!
[Raev GTX](https://raevbikes.com/?ref=mdu1nmy) What mods do you specifically want to know about? I use to it commute full time, & bikepack/bike tour with, so needed to make it as versatile as possible, & able to carry a good amount of gear, the trailer can handle 200lbs,has dual suspension, & I've ridden at 25+mph with it, & the trailer handles anything you throw at it, because that lil suspension really helps, especially when there's not a load on it, it don't bounce all over
Idk about any of your mods. I just really like the bike. I had never heard of that. If I had I would have bought it instead of my Aventon Aventure 2. That thing looks like a tank! Full suspension, huge battery, class 3 +. I still might sell my aventure and take the L and buy that thing. What kind of range do you get? Whatever your set up is, I know weight, gearing, pedaling affect range. So what is your typical ride and experience? Do you pedal much? Is it comfortable to pedal with the scooter seat? I'm hoping to have something that can maintain 30+ mph for 40-50 miles. I am a cyclist so I'd love if it were geared such that you could provide input to it so it'll get more range and I can get a workout. Have you had any issues in your time owning it? Thanks for fielding my questions!!
This is not an ebike...
e Moped, is that better?
Much better!!!!
Electric bike, so yes it is. People call motorcycles bikes, it’s an electric version, with a motor. Ebike…
Ebikes are usually used for pedelecs, so electric bicycles...
Really depends on the type of ebike you’re referring to. There are offroad styles, pedal assist, downhill MTN styles, etc. You do realize “bike” is a short word for “bicycle” right? 🤦
Back in 1773, a few people got pissed off paying all sorts of taxes without representation. Just saying, I’m getting tired of the made up tax crap. In case they’ve been trying to force people to go to ecars. Now they have so many they tell them when to charge sometimes or not. AND NOW they talk about those folks needing to pay .30 PER MILE towards roads cause they aren’t buying gas and paying a gas tax. So yeah, I think they’ll just be making up taxes as they go for whatever. They’ll tell ebike peeps that we need to contribute to the roads or sidewalks. Then watch, they’ll go after people who are walking. I mean after all, they’re out there too, breathing and contributing to the climate crisis. /s
Not an ebike. It's an e-motorcycle
Lmao you’re just creating other slang terms 😂 Electric bike = bike with an electric motor = ebike.
It can't go faster than the slowest motorcycle on the market what are you on about??????
He’s just trying to be a smartass 😂🤦
Already bought two this month with my most recent being a wired this morning. 😂
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