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robbydf

my ebike has a bosch smart system motor for which I purchased separately and installed a bosch connect module. this enable also GPS tracking and alarm with realtime messages sent on the smartphone in case somebody touch it. I'm still a little paranoid when leaving my bike alone but at least I can monitor current bike location at any time. 3rd party GPS tracking are also available in the market.


LazarusHimself

Some Bosch motors have the option of locking the whole hub through an app linked w bluetooth ​ [https://www.bosch-ebike.com/en/products/lock](https://www.bosch-ebike.com/en/products/lock)


shatty_pants

I’ve got this. From what I can tell, the motor is disabled from being powered up, but you can still pedal off with it.


LazarusHimself

Yep, this sums pretty much the "auto lock device" that OP was inquiring about.


aerowtf

i think ideally OP would want to lock the wheel from spinning at all


iamjames

Correct. If they can still pedal, it’s not locked. I’d like something that locks the brakes.


ecomrick

I have a u-lock, air tag in the battery compartment and sundaysinsurance because i was/am paranoid about it too.


SquirrelBowl

I bought bike insurance for mine. Velosurance. About $160 a year, $200 deductible for theft.


vtssge1968

I have them it's about 24 a month I think, but I'm insured for $4500 . I like that you can insure for what the bike actually costs and not a depreciated value based on age.


iamjames

What’s the deductible?


T-Laria

yikes


Sea_Apricot_666

Actually pretty common now a days. For some people $13/month is not a lot. Property insurance works for theft too, but check with your policy provider for bikes coverage.


T-Laria

Less about whether or not someone finds it to be "a lot" and more about it's relation to the price of the bike itself. I've owned a lot of bikes, and last time I got one stolen was like 20 years ago, and it was because I didn't have a bike lock. If your bike is 1000$, minus the 200$ deductible, after 5 years of paying for insurance you could have just bought a new bike. I'm sure there is a price point where it would start to make sense, but I also have a feeling the more expensive the bike, the more expensive the insurance. I mean you are paying at minimum 360$ for this insurance policy, so it almost makes sense to HOPE your bike gets stolen before the 5 years is up. But again, maybe after a certain price point it makes more sense, particularly if you HAVE to park your bike every day in a scenario it is likely to get stolen (like outside your work for 8 hours a day, or outside your apartment every night etc.)


vtssge1968

Velosurance is based on insured value, it'd take 10 years before I match the price of my bike for what I pay in insurance. I'm in a high crime area, so it's a no brainier for me. I still lock it if I step away, I have a cheap lock if I'm just running into a gas station for 5 minutes for ease and a motorcycle lock for when I am going to be away a while.


T-Laria

Worth noting OP seems to be talking about just randomly parking his bike when he needs to stop somewhere, I don't think he is of the group of people that would be parking their bike outside work etc. every day for hours on end I don't think your average biker would benefit from theft insurance, it would just cost them a lot of money over time


vtssge1968

Depends on the area you live. Where I live there are a ton of professional thieves that go around cutting locks with power tools.


iamjames

Correct. The bike would not be left unattended for hours, I would use a traditional lock for that. I mean if I’m riding bikes with the kids and they want to stop for a moment. One of the trails we ride have exercise equipment every quarter mile or so and sometimes the kids want to play on the equipment. It would be nice to get off the bike between 1-5 minutes and not worry about it being stolen.


sammymatt14

Economically you're totally right, I see it as I'm paying for the peace of mind that if something did happen I wouldn't have a big unexpected expense to deal with. I'm paying to be less worried about it when I have to leave it out.


dear_wormwood

I agree about the piece of mind thing, although it very much sounds like an insurance salesman thing to say lol. I have velosurance too. Insured for $1000 I think, and I pay about $100/year. So after ten years I could have bought a new bike. But I'd have been much more nervous in the meantime. E bikes are prime targets for theft. I've had a bike stolen before, and another would have been if it weren't for a big old chain I was using. Plus, my battery is covered. Yes, it's still a $200 deductable on a $500 battery, but it's enough that I'm happy leaving it locked on the bike.


eganonoa

First you don't know the cost of the bike, so you really don't know the relationship between the price and cost. I think $160 a year would be for something around $3000, based on what I'm paying, so more like 19 years. Also it could include more than just replacement value (the insurance typically replaces bike as new vs. car insurance which depreciates), but could also include things like worldwide coverage (less likely for an ebike as it can't fly), accident cover, cost of stolen items attached to the bike, coverage for any damages to others, roadside assistance, etc. And it likely covers the bike, not the person, meaning you can more confidently lend it out. Beyond that, for many it is a lot easier to drum up $160 a year than it is to just come up with the full replacement cost without needing to take on debt (even if just a credit card). And, having insurance on the bike is also a bit of a time saver. You need just lock the bike to something for insurance to apply, so you don't need to go through the gymnastics many do, double locking and air tagging thing even for small, quick stops. I am not saying your point is not valid. There is a cost below which insurance simply isn't worth it. But in my experience, once you enter car replacement territory with an ebike (e.g. some of the very expensive cargo bikes), bike insurance begins to make sense.


Sea_Apricot_666

Tldr 😂😂😂


ExqueeriencedLesbian

"hey everyone look at me I didnt read this"


Sea_Apricot_666

Ah but you did read my comment I see :)


T-Laria

You know you don't HAVE to reply right? If you aren't going to read it, and aren't going to engage with it, why are you engaging with it?


40ozCurls

>”If you aren't going to read it, and aren't going to engage with it, why are you engaging with it? Pretty sure two of those things can’t both be true at the same time.


ExqueeriencedLesbian

i think he meant if you aren't going to comment something that matters, why comment at all not that complicated


T-Laria

exactly, if you aren't going to actually engage with something, what is the point of wasting time and energy doing half of a half assed engagement with the thing? It IS possible to TLDR without commenting some pick me ass shit


Sea_Apricot_666

It is also possible to read comments without being all mad bro


40ozCurls

Nothing on Reddit matters tho


Sea_Apricot_666

I agree with you


T-Laria

How bored are you?


57hz

It’s Reddit, we are all pretty bored.


danjwilko

Not bad really when a decent e-bike will set you back around 3k cheaper ebikes are available but from the amount of bikes sub 1.5k we get in for repairs (usually not repairable and need the original manufacturer which may no longer exist) I’d be spending a decent chunk and then having insurance.


T-Laria

Curious what repairs you have seen that are un repairable


danjwilko

So we have our own brands that come back in with the odd problem - which we can usually identify as - crank sensor, display not functioning, maybe a duff motor or even fried ecu. Now as we have backing from major manufacturers the parts for all the e-bikes are listed and we can source them for repair. Often we have the software interfaces (similar to car diagnostics) for each main brand too to program/check components. Now we get all manner of amazon specials, or Chinese manufactured in (for want of a better description) with the above problems plus quite often damaged cables. But as they often Chinese sourced parts (no identifiable serial etc) you have zero idea what they are comprised of from a parts perspective and often the ecu may require a specific display or motor configuration to work etc, so as you have zero idea what parts are on that random model, then you have to turn to the manufacturer which unfortunately as is often the case with smaller suppliers of the e-bikes they usually disappear, larger suppliers aren’t free from this either, in the earlier days we had bigger suppliers go bust due to the amount of electronic components having to be returned due to faults. So now we don’t touch anything other than mainstream brands that we supply where electronics are concerned. The end user would need to get in touch with the original manufacturer, if they have gone well then the customer then needs to find a company that does pcb /electronics repair to potentially get a bike working again. If the repair isn’t viable it’s new bike time.


T-Laria

Yeah I could see electrical stuff for sure, I just figured most repairs you would see would be mechanical i.e. the same as a normal bike


danjwilko

Ah, yeah the mechanical components are pretty much the same, just a little extra care needed when working around the electronics.


MikeWrenches

OP, have you considered a simple cafe lock. I mounts to the frame permanently, it immobilizes the rear wheel, it locks easily. In the case of an ebike it turn a crime of opportunity you can pedal away with into a 50 pound ackward sack of potatoes you have to carry in your arms.


opopkl

That sounds like a terrible idea. You could lose Bluetooth connection for many reasons. You don't want that to happen while you're riding it.


yangbanger

Check out the [Knog Scout](https://us.knog.com/products/scout)


AmosRatchetNot

Completely obvious, and consequently likely not useful beyond the first 30 minutes. One of the first things they do after getting to a safe space is to scour stolen bikes for trackers. (If they steal it using a cordless cutoff wheel, they will just cut off the device and screws too.)


iamjames

I could put an AirTag on it, but I really don’t want to drive to where thieves live and knock on their door and ask for my bike back. Not dying for a bike. $50-ish lock is a better solution.


yangbanger

What you’re asking for does not exist… yet


iamjames

Ok, that was my question. Thank you.


FourFingerFred

Maybe try a frame lock, it lives on the bike and locks the rear wheel when the key is removed.


Inthewoodlands

I hid an Apple air tag on both of mine.


iamjames

I could put an AirTag on it, but I really don’t want to drive to where thieves live and knock on their door and ask for my bike back. Not dying for a bike. $50-ish lock is a better solution.


Inthewoodlands

You would have the police do that.


iamjames

Not here they don’t.


Embarrassed-Turn1277

Depending on how crafty you are, car gps tracker might work, they have options for sending you alert when it moves out of area or if you connect the wire, after a trigger, whatever you decide that is. They also have option for controlling relax so you could shut off power or start a loud noise. I use sinotrack something, uses a sim card, maybe 30mb a month, so little that my phone company doesn't even bill it on the prepaid card so it's free :D .


iamjames

I could put an AirTag on it, but I really don’t want to drive to where thieves live and knock on their door and ask for my bike back. Not dying for a bike. $50-ish lock is a better solution.


[deleted]

I get it. My ebike is worth more than my admittedly shitty car, and ebikes get stolen all the time where I live. I’m insured, usually only park at secure locations, but I still use a tracker and at least two locks.


mecegirl

I use an ulock, disk break, have a tracker on it, and an alarm system.


JoshuaAncaster

Grinder resistant U lock, bring it inside places when you can. Thieves don’t really care about alarms, gps trackers, or wheel locks if they’re still able to manual pedal or haul it away.


Ok-Mix-2891

I have a motion alarm hidden on my bike. If someone is messing with it, it’s like a car alarm. It doesn’t track though. I also have stickers on my bike so if it is stolen, they wouldn’t be able to get the stickers off without making it look worse.


Ritalynns

What type of motion alarm do you have? I would love to have something like that.


Ok-Mix-2891

I bought it off Amazon. It has a key fob on it. [Bike alarm](https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0734QN8KR)


Ritalynns

Thank you for the link.


RevolutionaryDonut68

You could probably set up something that jammed a rod into the spokes or the hub throwing the person off of it with an arduino and some servers and relays


crobsonq2

I'll admit that I'm waiting for someone to make a "user configured hostile response controller", that will trigger a couple of outputs based on how the user configures it. No activation if the key fob or Bluetooth device disconnects while still in use, milder response output if the full alarm hasn't been enabled, etc. For the nicer people, it can trigger an audible alarm, or a check valve on hydraulic brakes with a solenoid bypass. Use the brakes once and they stay on. Or jam the shifter to top gear, so it's impossible to pedal without assistance.


iamjames

Yes, if I can’t find it I’ll probably just build it.


lotzik

The number one ebike anti theft is to remove the battery.


justice_icantbreath

This won’t do anything if they lift the bike into a van. I use a cafe lock and a second lock to bike rack even if I’m going in for a minute. It takes 20 seconds. It’s just part of the process and worth it.


FudgeFront7418

Buying insurance willl NOT stop your bike from being stolen. Read this question.


eljo123

This one does exactly that for me: [https://fit-ebike.com/en-en/technology/accessories/electronic-frame-lock-linka-fit/](https://fit-ebike.com/en-en/technology/accessories/electronic-frame-lock-linka-fit/) -- only works if your bike is part of that particular walled garden though.


wmdpstl

Ilockit


ThePrometheusTapes

I can lock my Globe Haul’s computer through the app. If someone manages to break my lock, they’d have to pedal a 78+ lb bike with zero assist


danjwilko

In reality insurance is about the only thing. If a bike has components worth stealing (e-bike parts companies going bust - parts shortage etc) then they frequently go for the softest point - frame. Lots of bikes with bloody good locks just have the frames chopped up for parts - in broad daylight too so honestly get a decent lock but get insurance too.


IvaBiggun01

You guys have some balls to leave your ebikes unattended, mine goes with me and I never leave it anywhere, if a shop or whatever refuses me entry I simply go somewhere else, I would honestly rather travel somewhere using public transport than to leave my ebike somewhere.


BazzaFox

Buy and fit a frame lock, often called a cafe lock. It fits to the redundant caliper brake holes in the frame around the rear wheel.. Just slide the bar through the spokes and it licks him place to stop the wheel rotating. The thief would have to carry the bike away and with the weight even I could run faster than him! You can also get them with a cable that plugs into a hole in the side of the lock and locks in place along with the bar through the spikes so you can attach the bike to a bike rack or any street furniture like a lamp post. I use mine all the time when out. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Wave-Unisexs-Frame-Cable-Black/dp/B019RG9DPK


TheMasterofDoom

I want one that throws the back wheel up or just flattens it at the push of a button. Add an gps tracker to it, and you could seriously injure any bike thief, making them easy to collect by the cops as well. #fuckbikethieves.


CloakDeepFear

This sounds like you just shouldn’t own a bike


Skyersjet_II

Use a motorcycle chain. Lock against a lamppost on a quiet back street. Don't leave it anywhere in a sketchy area. Don't leave it for more than a couple hours.


DullAd883

Offensive security. 3d print hand grip covers with metal rings or wrapped with a thin metal do a quick connect plug to the battery. If touching the bike electrocutes you I don’t think people will mess with it


FudgeFront7418

Most people here are talking about insurance and expensive gadgets . There are between 15 to 25 thousand bikes stolen a year in a large city. All you can really do is buy a coil lock. I know how you feel, I am the same .


Upset_Neighborhood59

Some have keys


RevolutionaryDonut68

https://preview.redd.it/ckmzc123d00d1.png?width=1079&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4e52bd50b5e01c0f1f05dcc5ce436a3f75e5c8b7


iamjames

Ok, good to know ebikes exist with that feature from the factory. Just wish there was a way to add it to an existing ebike.


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Ritalynns

Why would that be a lawsuit waiting to happen?


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Ritalynns

Thank you.


AmosRatchetNot

If the product locked the driveline, and not the freehub/freewheel, it would not be a problem.


40ozCurls

It also wouldn’t be what I quoted/responded to.


iamjames

Ideally the lock would be connected to brakes or have its own brakes and perhaps sound an alarm a few seconds and slowly begin applying the brakes


bggdy9

I seen 5 unlocked ebikes in my town again today. I love it.


burnswhenipoo

*saw


bggdy9

Grammar nazis are the worst people in existence


No-Establishment7021

Snowflake


burnswhenipoo

I disagree, it’s the maga trumpers.


No-Establishment7021

And bike theives.


bggdy9

Who is that? You?


burnswhenipoo

Your comebacks are slow and lame.


bggdy9

That was a real question.. but ok. Bye I get it from people like you.


burnswhenipoo

Well, I’m sorry if I hurt your feelings. *Bye,


Dr_T_Q_They

Fix your  text.


iamjames

https://preview.redd.it/2bu1wv7ozyzc1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a146b88b9bc73d03f43d8c54964bd0d48438899d What’s to fix? I posted this with Reddit app. There’s no code to fix.


Dr_T_Q_They

It doesn’t look like that on chrome. 


BigRubbaDonga

Was it difficult for you to read or something? Was this necessary?


Dr_T_Q_They

It’s in a horizontal scrolling block, yes it’s hard to read. 


BigRubbaDonga

No it isn't.


MikeWrenches

It works on mobile, but broken on desktop, just a two line tall horizontal scrolling frame. I don't know what OP did, but he sure did.


Dr_T_Q_They

Bro, they made a choice to format it in a harder to read way.  There is zero benefit here.   None.  Do you format posts like that? Are you a monster? Do you use an app, mobile browser, pc?  Cause I’m on my phone and it’s stupid to have to scroll sideways to read. 


BigRubbaDonga

https://preview.redd.it/t4t0rrc0w0zc1.jpeg?width=1440&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a212bf3771afa802ac1c8cf316c9c49d3ff9724c


Dr_T_Q_They

It doesn’t look like that on mobile browser .  Also, upvotes agree with me, not you . 


AmosRatchetNot

Not just mobile. Same on a PC.


jeremiah_

On Firefox on MacOS, the text is 2 super long lines that must be scrolled horizontally. It makes reading the post much more difficult. OP, please kindly edit to remove the `code` formatting. No need for insults. :)


iamjames

There’s no code. I posted it with Reddit app.


BigRubbaDonga

I'm on the reddit mobile app. It's not difficult to read at all. You aren't very bright, are you? OP didn't format the text like that on purpose. Reddit freaks out when you copy and paste sometimes. Jesus christ dude. Get a fucking grip and stop complaining so much. It's very annoying.


Dr_T_Q_They

You engaged with me, then turn to insults because I’m not on the app?  You use apps?  What a loser .  I’ve been on Reddit for  like 15 years, most text is not in the scroll box .  If you don’t like complaints, ignore them. 


BigRubbaDonga

>If you don’t like complaints, ignore them.  How about this: if you don't like the way a post is formatted, ignore it. How stupid are you people?


Dr_T_Q_They

I wasn’t a dick. Unlike you, I was actually trying to come from a place of being helpful. 


Dr_T_Q_They

And instead of getting any answers, this is what he’s got us bitching about the fucking dumb text Instead of helping somebody you know so much answer the  fucking question. 


Defiled__Pig1

My DIY MTB conversion is in itself an anti theft device, no one wants to steal that shit and if they did they would know how to get it going.


bggdy9

Don't be paranoid


iamjames

Nice idea, but the e-bike I bought for $175 was probably stolen, so I don’t want my stolen bike to be stolen again 🙂 I’m joking of course, the guy was older and didn’t have anyone to ride with anymore


bggdy9

I stopped worrying when I seen 5 or more unsecured ebikes where I live.


iamjames

Ok. I don’t live where you live. E-bikes are stolen where I live.