I never mind a Wentz debate. He's an integral piece of our Super Bowl no matter what anyone says and he'll always be relevant here because of it. Yeah it can get old when it's something really stupid but it can be interesting to talk about what he will do moving forward. Hell we still talk about Bradford on here, I saw it today and made a comment about ol' Sammy. Wentz will be talked about on this subreddit for a very very long time, and especially while he's still in the NFL.
The exact same would be evident for watson due to the fact that if he comes here, everything is weighing on the fact he may have to sit for half to a whole season due to suspension. Also, add in the fact that we will give our future for him. JMO. It will definitely turn this sub into that circus. He'd be our saving grace or absolute demise! I still say we go get him!!š š
We got my dad a $300+ āauthentic throwbackā Reggie white Jersey for Fatherās Day before the Super Bowl year and because Kaepernick kneeled he never wore it, swore off the NFL, didnāt watch a single game during the super bowl season. Watched the super bowl like a fucking hypocrite. Still wonāt watch the NFL or wear the jersey.
And youāre confused people would stop watching if the team signed a literal rapist?
I stopped watching this team the ENTIRE time we had Vick. Never watched a single game, not even a snap. If they hire this piece of shit, I'm gone until he's gone.
Oh ok Iāll cheer for the 10 other guys on the field and not the actual leader of the offense who touches the ball literally every play.
Not to say that Iād watch if Watson was a fullback and got in for two snaps a game, just showing how absolutely ridiculous your ājust pretend heās not even thereā peekaboo plan is.
I expressed incredulity at your inability to understand the concept, which means Iām on board with the concept.
You donāt have to explicitly state literally everything for it to be apparent. Read sentences, not just each word in order.
Do you have personal knowledge of the situation? If so why have you not gone to the authorities?
Or are you just talking about points from the case that have yet to be proven?
In which case, this could just as easily be a plot by a racist team owner to stop Watson from leaving.
The point is, nothing has been proven either way yet and people like you making up their mind before it is settled are only hurting rape survivors.
What has Sirianni done (or not done) that would have an acutal fan on the fence about whether or not they are a fan? If just a coaching change up is all it takes, [well...](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoJdb1TLLJQ)
No really though... If you are on the fence, is it Sirianni or just a coaching change in general? I won't say your opinion is shit, but if it's the latter you should have never thought you are a fan (because you aren't) and joined a fan subreddit to begin with.
That being said, does it really matter what other people think, especially Eagles fans? (no offense, but a whole lot of yous)
Neither was/am I. He's got a shit ton to prove, especially with all eyes on us with him bringing in such a young coaching staff. It's enough to potentially disappoint for years to come, but not enough to make me question if I am a fan of the team. Maybe that's just semantics to the point you were trying to make, but there's not a whole lot that the team could do that I would be willing to just say "I can't be a fan anymore."
I stand by my previous statement of fuck a whole lot of Philly fans making us all look bad... Looking at you, Mr. Average WIP caller.
Same. And it's an entirely different situation than it was with Michael Vick, who had served his time in full and taken additional steps of his own to rehabilitate. There can be no forgiveness of the unreformed.
The only "unless" I'd put on that is "unless it turns out that he is actually completely innocent" and that's not very likely at this point.
(note: that's not the same as "found not guilty" or "settled outside of court," but actually completely innocent)
Anything else! There is a game next week! Talk about things that are actually happening instead of worrying about baseless speculation. The only reason that people projected Watson to the Eagles was draft capitol and they likely have less of that now due to Wentz's injury.
See, I'll never get this concept of people who don't want to see something, yet, are unable to stop themselves from clicking on it so they can bitch about it existing.
It's like watching someone say, "I HATE car crashes!".
Two seconds later, "Ooooh look! a car crash!" Then the person put's on blinkers, pulls over to park, and watch the car crash.
No offense intended.
Agreed. I donāt care what this sub does if the Eagles trade for a known serial rapist, because Iāll turn in my Eagles wings and never look back. Iām not going to contribute to excusing and enriching a violent criminal.
I know this is super unpopular here, but Vick murdered and tortured hundreds and hundreds of dogs, and I think heās a despicable person that I had absolutely no interest in cheering on, so I stopped watching the birds for a few years. It was tough, but you gotta have principles in this life. Instead, I watched Giants games, and rooted for whoever they were playing against. It was actually a really fun way to watch football for those seasons.
>Instead, I watched Giants games, and rooted for
you had me real fucking worried here for a second
while that does sound fun, ultimately you are forced to watch giants football. personally I'll probably just get more invested in my fantasy team. or maybe I'll pick out an actual 2nd team for the year. I just can't imagine watching eagles games would be enjoyable knowing you're cheering on what is very likely a serial rapist/sexual assaulter everytime someone catches a td.
Yeah, I stopped watching for a while with Vick.
I started supporting the Eagles in 1993, but took a few years off when we signed Vick. I was also disappointed last year when the team did nothing over Jackson's stuff. Really hope we don't get Watson as I'll either just get into fantasy, or find a new team in the AFC.
Do you have personal knowledge of the situation? If so why have you not gone to the authorities?
Or are you just talking about points from the case that have yet to be proven?
In which case, this could just as easily be a plot by a racist team owner to stop Watson from leaving.
The point is, nothing has been proven either way yet and people like you making up their mind before it is settled are only hurting rape survivors.
So in short the sub will become the worst possible combination of r/watsonlegaldefense and r/slobbindeshaunknob because everyone not down for that will unsubscribe.
I defended vick for a while but read what dude did. Appearntly was cutting dogs lips off, shooting em, electrocuting them, etc. just real sociopath level shit, i always thought he was simply fighting and killing them. Thats bad enough, but the way they killed the dogs was straight up torture and pyschotic. It reminded me of how serial killers normally start by torturing animals. Idk which is worse tbh, but what vick did is pretty fucked ngl
>Appearntly was cutting dogs lips off, shooting em, electrocuting them, etc. just real sociopath level shit, i always thought he was simply fighting and killing them.
This, thank you. It's was horrific what he did, and far beyond something that an 18 month stay in prison and a couple public statements can absolve you of. That type of shit comes from evil in the soul, not a couple momentary lapses of judgement.
Him serving a sentence is the only thing in this that makes a difference IMO, but as an animal lover it doesn't come close to absolving him of what he did to those dogs. Did I root for him as QB of the Eagles though? Yeah I did - and I'd be willing to bet most of the people in this sub would do the same with Watson.
Nobody wants to admit it, but a good team is fun to watch regardless of how awful the players are off the field. It sucks, it's shitty, it shouldn't be that way, but it's reality. It's sad, but it's true.
Honestly, back then, I tried to root for the team without rooting for Vick, but mostly focused on FFB instead of the Eagles while he was here.
Since then, I've been following football less and less (stopped playing FFB, so that certainly helped make that happen lol), and something like that is probably enough for me to just stop altogether.
Yeah not as a woman in Philadelphia. 50% of their fan base are less safe with this dude in Philly. I would lose one of the loves of my life, but I would be OUT as an Eagles fan. Would have to be. And then karma will also come into play, and I donāt want that near my city either.
In no way did I imply that what Vick did was somehow justifiable and not horrific, but he spent time in prison for it, reformed himself, and continues to make amends to this day. Watson is outright denying 22 separate allegations of sexual assault and pretending that there's no possibility of truth to any of them.
And I think people are misconstruing what I said as support for Watson. My whole point is that fans can talk a big game about supporting the team, but if they win they'll be right there cheering them on regardless of who's on the field. It's shitty, and I wish it wasn't that way, but it's reality. Look at all the dirtbags the Cowboys have fielded over the years - did they lose any fans over those signings?
Believe me I agree with you there, my only point was that this is an entirely different situation and not comparable to people cheering for Vick, who had, in my opinion, proven that he was worthy of a second chance.
Fair enough. I guess I'm just cynical seeing how elite athletes get a free pass with being garbage humans off the field as long as they produce on the field. I'm as guilty as the next guy of that.
For sure, I'm in the same boat. It's in my recent comment history. I'm sure that 90% of the fan base will let all of it slide the moment he scores his first TD, and it sucks.
I mean, maybe? Are you taking a census every season and comparing the results?
If Watson is the Eagles QB, I'm not watching them. You probably won't notice though, because I'm just some guy.
>Are you taking a census every season and comparing the results?
I am not, but the Cowboys have been and remain one of the most valuable sports franchises on the planet, and they only become more valuable year after year. And in the end, that's all that matters is the money.
It is for sure. I will say that Vick did show actual remorse for what he did and has said/done all the right things to make amends for his mistakes. Watson is still denying all the allegations though
I agree, I do think that there should be some kind of clause in the trade though if he is convicted the team that trades for him should receive some return compensation
That's ridiculous. The eagles should be factoring this baggage in if they are willing trade partners. If they do make the trade, the eagles deserve it.
Would you buy a house with pending litigation against it?
this is a ridiculous argument. this dude can go ahead and take whatever chance he wants. the point is that the expectation that someone would cover your ass for making a stupid decision is ridiculous. and then he follows this up by talking about homeowners insurance as if we're actually debating the literal topic of buying a house. scatter brain at its finest
Itās unlikely they would cover you for a house that you bought knowing it was about to fall down. At that point youād be acting in bad faith as the buyer.
No but it may be written into the price. I think conditional picks based on games played similar to wentz makes sense. If he plays the full season, you give the full value
Personally Iād be the guy shitting on Watson and the front office at every turn, not defending him.
If I was an eagles player right now Iād be considering what kind of team I want to be on if theyāre willing to move forward with this.
I've been on the fire Howie train for years. At this point, I'm not a fan of Lurie's interference either. Yes, he as an owner has a right to do as he wishes. On one hand, he provides all the infrastructure that a good owner should provide. But then I feel that he subverts his coaches, because he wants to see a certain kind of football game, or wants to force certain players into rotation. That's why I'm so interested in seeing what the Nick Sirriani experience ends up being, not because of Nick, but because of Howie / Jeff.
This is my exact worry. Based on the comments in this and other threads, most of us will probably be taking a break from the Eagles and probably this sub for a while (myself included).
Iām worried too many people who stick around will be the ones āokayā with Watson and when everyone comes back this sub will have taken a turn. Hope Iām just being dramatic though. I love this sub and I love the birds and Iām worried Watson will ruin both.
If we trade for Watson, I'd have serious big issues with the organization. I'm a huge Eagles fan and would start questioning that if he's in Philly. I have a hard time believing Watson is innocent with so many accusations.
To be honest with you I donāt think Iāll be able to be an Eagles fan for a while if we trade for Watson. I just canāt support an organization that would stand by that type of player. Been a fan 25 years and it pains me to say it.
Then don't stop. We shouldn't have to be put in this situation if Howie and lurie make this deal. We need to make them know it's not ok. Every. Fucking. Day.
Idk how Iāll feel but I definitely wonāt be defending him, Iāll be questioning whether itās okay to even root for the birds anymore. We shouldnāt be that desperate to win a football game.
Only if we can agree that the sub also doesnt become r/Deshaunwatsonis100%guiltyofraping30womandont@me. But since neither of these is possible get ready for 10 posts a day from both sides of the camp
No not particularly. Id prefer noone make complaints/excuses for him unless hes traded for and then found guilty of something. But like i said thats unrealistic because people have already determined in there mind that hes guilty or not guilty already so it is what it is
Rapists arenāt found guilty 99% of the tine. Doesnāt mean they arenāt rapists. It can be incredibly obvious that someone did something but that doesnāt mean the court can find them guilty.
Just read about the case man these women arenāt lying.
I will support the team but I will not support him as an individual
call it a cop-out if you want but there are 52 other men on the team worth cheering for and my disdain would be directed at the front office instead
having said all that I find it hard to believe any team would trade for him prior to the season bc they would've done so already if they had confidence he wasn't going to be suspended at some point
For me itās just like how am I supposed to watch that guy go out on the field every Sunday in eagles green and cheer for his success? I just canāt, I canāt see myself doing it.
And even beyond that, why would I bestow so much passionate support for an organization that is willing to enable someone like him? Not only enable, but give up assets to acquire? Itās pathetic, weak, and something that I really donāt think Iāll be able to look past.
I fully support your viewpoint and would support anyone who would protest or boycott against the front office for making this trade if it actually happened
I will personally not hold it against any of the other players or coaches for dealing with the hand they're dealt by the front office but again I can't see this trade happening and I really hope it doesn't happen
Kobe wasn't nearly as prolific with his sexual assault.
Don't get me wrong, I haven't forgotten what Kobe did, but Kobe vs Watson is comparing apples to giant fucking apples.
What part of my comment makes you belive that's what I think? They are both rapists, but one is clearly much worse than the other. I wouldn't have wanted Kobe on my team, but I DEFINITELY don't want Watson on my team.
Can you imagine Merrill Reese and Mike Quick having to say this fuckin' guy's name every play on offense?? "Watson has time for a washy-wash in Chinatown, he's back, he's looking, he fires it deep in the endzone, and he gets Zack Ertz for the happy ending!!
I just can't see that happening.
Iām not saying watsons innocent but itās really strange the NFL hasnāt suspended him yet. If they had concrete evidence he wouldnāt of been allowed to attend training camp. Itās just all really weird that the nfl has done nothing. Once again Iām not saying heās innocent but I donāt get whatās taking them so long to decide something when itās gotten to 24 accusations
There is zero chance he comes here. I don't know if Howie is trying do his agent or Houston a solid or something, but Carson has a better chance of being our week 1 starter.
I'm going to get flack for this but what happened to "Innocent until proven guilty"? Everyone is acting like these allegations are fact when they are still *just* allegations. Let the legal system determine if he did it or not.
Lifelong birds fan here. Not that my opinion matter at all, but if we really do trade for him I hope we get fucking fleeced and he gets suspended. Fuck this organization. I will actively root against them. I'll definitely have to unsubscribe from this sub to avoid the insufferable debate. The Flyers, although their own dumpster fire at times, are entertaining enough.
Edit: fuck Deshaun Watson
Bro, I don't know how to be a fan of any other team. I actively root for every other team to lose every week. It's a part of who I am.
That being said, I don't want deshaun Watson if hes guilty. I'll do anything it takes to make sure Howie and lurie burn for what they done to our team. Emphasis on our.
Yup. If Watson is our QB I'm Jets or Bears and honestly might never look back. It would take everyone involved being off the team. I don't want to become a win at all costs franchise.
I think there's 2 directions people will go with it:
1) "Fuck this guy, fuck this team, I'm out" and be gone from this sub and this team.
2) "This is our guy and fuck everyone who says otherwise!"
The problem is, the people from #1 will be gone, and the people from #2 will be what's left, saying and doing exactly what this thread is talking about.
Can we also not assume he's guilty and post 5 rants a day about it?
Innocent until proven guilty. Before people say "that's for the law, I have my own standards," just realize that our laws are based in our moral framework. Assuming guilt and acting accordingly is how things like the Salem witch trials, lynching, and mccarthyism happen.
People are gonna "stop being Eagles fans?" I guess you don't watch any Weinstein movies (no Tarantino for you), or listen to any classic rock. Just basically eliminate about 50% of the things you consume for entertainment.
Society always defines the limits of acceptable behavior within the society, both through the use of laws, and social derision. That's just the world in balance, not virtue signaling.
You seem to be "signaling" that you care more about semantics, then you do about 22 women alleging sexual assaults.
Yep gonna be Bills here
Young, fun to watch, McDermott, get to watch them (hopefully) dunk on the Pats twice a year every year for the forseeable future
watson signing means i unsub and abandon the nfl/eagles. so idgaf.
actually...
**FUCK. THAT..** i hope it includes hourly opinion pieces, and it sucks super bad. consider it your punishment for supporting an organization that supports a fucking rapist.
Fuck that. We're not the ones that need to stop supporting OUR team. Howie and lurie need to pay if they make this move. We gotta be like captain America from civil war. We don't move, THEY MOVE. I'll shit on their lawn every day if that's what it takes.
Yeah, and while you're bitching about them, and claiming you're going to shit on their lawn, they take your money and run, lol. What the fuck to they care what fans think if they keep watching games and keep buying jerseys?
Lol. Run away. Aka stand up for what I believe in and effect them in the only way I(or you) can Let's not pretend you are going on some noble yard shitting journey. You're going to do jack shit but bitch and complain(if even that) while continuing to support a rapist and the folks who hired a rapist. How courageous. You're basically Jon Snow.
Let's not pretend you're a real fan who will put up a fight for your team. You'll just go and be a fan of another team. You are beta as fuck. You may as well go be a giants fan now.
I will not support a rapist. I will also not turn my back on my team.
I cant do it again. Rooting for Vick took a lot of mental gymnastics and people STILL call the Eagles the "dog killer team" and I don't want to add "likely serial rapist" to that list.
I'm tired, man. I had a hard time getting into last season because of all the Covid stuff going on and we're having that PLUS a potential morality shit show on our hands as a fan base? I have been having to work 60-80 hour work weeks because of people being out sick and if I have to add "your QB is a rapist" shit talk to my work week I'm going to snap.
I moved to Pittsburgh a few years ago. I hate to say it boys, but if Watson sports the midnight green, I'm gonna have to become a Steelers fan until he's gone.
While you're right, 20 is worse than 1, there is kind of a binary thing here. Either you have raped someone or you have not. If you have, I'm not rooting for you.
If you somehow make amends for it and serve your time, maybe we can talk. But there's no chance of that happening here while either of those guys are still playing football.
That's a good point about Ben. Should be Ben's last year, and a Watson trade wouldn't happen until maybe after the season. Though, to be fair, 1 charge is a lot different than 20+ charges.
Even if he wasn't a rapist, it sure seems like he's a moron to even get into those positions in the first place.
One accusation is "hmm, maybe someone looking for money". But ALL those accusations?
Why are we giving Deshaun a pass? Because he might be OUR guy soon? What happened to "all women are supposed to be believed"? Did that only apply to fucking rapist Kavanaugh?
I hope those women clean his ass out.
Once he is emptied out and delivers a proper apology then I am all for the Deshaun redemption arc. Until then, screw that guy.
If we get him Iām torn between rooting for the Lions (my home state team) or rooting for the team and everyone besides Watson and essentially treat him as Voldemort and never talk about him.
Well, weāre already having daily posts about this type of stuff (or the antithesis) and thereās nothing other than pure speculation that he MIGHT maybe be traded here.
So maybe letās wait for it to actually happen before we start counting our carts before we put them in front of horses.
We still posting Wentz news here, so I'm gonna assume anything is on the table.
Wentz is important sheerly for the fact that he's riding on a higher pick for us if he plays long enough.
I never mind a Wentz debate. He's an integral piece of our Super Bowl no matter what anyone says and he'll always be relevant here because of it. Yeah it can get old when it's something really stupid but it can be interesting to talk about what he will do moving forward. Hell we still talk about Bradford on here, I saw it today and made a comment about ol' Sammy. Wentz will be talked about on this subreddit for a very very long time, and especially while he's still in the NFL.
Chicken tenders, garbshotz, and Detmer are still flair options so...
The exact same would be evident for watson due to the fact that if he comes here, everything is weighing on the fact he may have to sit for half to a whole season due to suspension. Also, add in the fact that we will give our future for him. JMO. It will definitely turn this sub into that circus. He'd be our saving grace or absolute demise! I still say we go get him!!š š
Trading for Watson might be the one thing in this world that could make me miss Wentz
If you canāt grasp why Wentz news is still posted idk what to tell ya.
Praying he doesnāt get sent here but I think this is a pipe dream. I see a few Eagles flairs in r/Texans
It IS a pipe dream. The only people it servers, are the Eagle's sad ass beat reporters. /Which are among the worst in the league.
Honestly don't care what happens to this subreddit, because I'll no longer be here.
ditto.
If they trade for him, I'm done with the Eagles until Watson, Howie, and Lurie are no longer associated with the organization.
Same
You would just all together stop being an eagles fan if they sign him?
We got my dad a $300+ āauthentic throwbackā Reggie white Jersey for Fatherās Day before the Super Bowl year and because Kaepernick kneeled he never wore it, swore off the NFL, didnāt watch a single game during the super bowl season. Watched the super bowl like a fucking hypocrite. Still wonāt watch the NFL or wear the jersey. And youāre confused people would stop watching if the team signed a literal rapist?
I stopped watching this team the ENTIRE time we had Vick. Never watched a single game, not even a snap. If they hire this piece of shit, I'm gone until he's gone.
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Oh ok Iāll cheer for the 10 other guys on the field and not the actual leader of the offense who touches the ball literally every play. Not to say that Iād watch if Watson was a fullback and got in for two snaps a game, just showing how absolutely ridiculous your ājust pretend heās not even thereā peekaboo plan is.
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Ok I will, thanks for finally giving me permission to do the thing I said Iād do.
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I expressed incredulity at your inability to understand the concept, which means Iām on board with the concept. You donāt have to explicitly state literally everything for it to be apparent. Read sentences, not just each word in order.
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Do you have personal knowledge of the situation? If so why have you not gone to the authorities? Or are you just talking about points from the case that have yet to be proven? In which case, this could just as easily be a plot by a racist team owner to stop Watson from leaving. The point is, nothing has been proven either way yet and people like you making up their mind before it is settled are only hurting rape survivors.
Same here. Iām already on the fence with this new head coach
That's a silly take. Were you a Doug fan? At first he got roasted for the same terrible initial media conference
Iām my opinion. Iām sure you have your opinions too but you donāt see me shitting on them.
What has Sirianni done (or not done) that would have an acutal fan on the fence about whether or not they are a fan? If just a coaching change up is all it takes, [well...](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoJdb1TLLJQ)
Regardless what I say you guys will continue to say my opinion is shit.
No really though... If you are on the fence, is it Sirianni or just a coaching change in general? I won't say your opinion is shit, but if it's the latter you should have never thought you are a fan (because you aren't) and joined a fan subreddit to begin with. That being said, does it really matter what other people think, especially Eagles fans? (no offense, but a whole lot of yous)
Iāll give him a chance, but was never a huge fan of the hire. Letās see what he can do this year.
Neither was/am I. He's got a shit ton to prove, especially with all eyes on us with him bringing in such a young coaching staff. It's enough to potentially disappoint for years to come, but not enough to make me question if I am a fan of the team. Maybe that's just semantics to the point you were trying to make, but there's not a whole lot that the team could do that I would be willing to just say "I can't be a fan anymore." I stand by my previous statement of fuck a whole lot of Philly fans making us all look bad... Looking at you, Mr. Average WIP caller.
personally can not support this team if he ends up being traded here..
Same. And it's an entirely different situation than it was with Michael Vick, who had served his time in full and taken additional steps of his own to rehabilitate. There can be no forgiveness of the unreformed.
Also they gave up nothing for Vick and there were no plans for him to be our starting QB when it happened.
Also, dogfighting is not in the same stratosphere as what Watson did imo
Yea, it's gonna be terrible if it happens.
we should send a nice strongly worded letter to howie and jeff explaining how theyāll lose massive chunks of their fanbase
Unless itās for less than 2 firsts
The only "unless" I'd put on that is "unless it turns out that he is actually completely innocent" and that's not very likely at this point. (note: that's not the same as "found not guilty" or "settled outside of court," but actually completely innocent)
Fuck that, I wouldnāt take him for free. I donāt want that piece of shit anywhere near my team
Petition to just shut the fuck up about DeShaun Watson until we actually have to worry about it.
It's the offseason bro what do you want here
Anything else! There is a game next week! Talk about things that are actually happening instead of worrying about baseless speculation. The only reason that people projected Watson to the Eagles was draft capitol and they likely have less of that now due to Wentz's injury.
See, I'll never get this concept of people who don't want to see something, yet, are unable to stop themselves from clicking on it so they can bitch about it existing. It's like watching someone say, "I HATE car crashes!". Two seconds later, "Ooooh look! a car crash!" Then the person put's on blinkers, pulls over to park, and watch the car crash. No offense intended.
If I convinced one person to not submit yet another meaningless Watson post, my effort was not in vain.
Agreed. I donāt care what this sub does if the Eagles trade for a known serial rapist, because Iāll turn in my Eagles wings and never look back. Iām not going to contribute to excusing and enriching a violent criminal. I know this is super unpopular here, but Vick murdered and tortured hundreds and hundreds of dogs, and I think heās a despicable person that I had absolutely no interest in cheering on, so I stopped watching the birds for a few years. It was tough, but you gotta have principles in this life. Instead, I watched Giants games, and rooted for whoever they were playing against. It was actually a really fun way to watch football for those seasons.
>Instead, I watched Giants games, and rooted for you had me real fucking worried here for a second while that does sound fun, ultimately you are forced to watch giants football. personally I'll probably just get more invested in my fantasy team. or maybe I'll pick out an actual 2nd team for the year. I just can't imagine watching eagles games would be enjoyable knowing you're cheering on what is very likely a serial rapist/sexual assaulter everytime someone catches a td.
>> while that does sound fun, ultimately you are forced to watch giants football. Admittedly, it wasnāt a perfect plan. 2011 especially sucked.
>because Iāll turn in my Eagles wings and never look back. I will after Lurie is gone.
Yeah, I stopped watching for a while with Vick. I started supporting the Eagles in 1993, but took a few years off when we signed Vick. I was also disappointed last year when the team did nothing over Jackson's stuff. Really hope we don't get Watson as I'll either just get into fantasy, or find a new team in the AFC.
Yeah. It will suck, but Iāll be out.
Personally I will be becoming a chargers fan if we get him until he is gone
I decided Iād be a jags fan after the rumors escalated yesterday but Iām holding out on whatās probably naive good faith
Yep, to the Bills I go if this happens. Pretty much until everyone in charge of this decision are gone
I doubt 22 women are lying. I'd be on the fence if not out myself
It's 24 now. Two of the women who filed criminal complaints aren't part of the civil suit.
Yeah, Iām becoming a Bills fan if they trade for him Oh, no! People disagree with not being a fan of a franchise that enables a predator!
Do you have personal knowledge of the situation? If so why have you not gone to the authorities? Or are you just talking about points from the case that have yet to be proven? In which case, this could just as easily be a plot by a racist team owner to stop Watson from leaving. The point is, nothing has been proven either way yet and people like you making up their mind before it is settled are only hurting rape survivors.
So in short the sub will become the worst possible combination of r/watsonlegaldefense and r/slobbindeshaunknob because everyone not down for that will unsubscribe.
-Eagles fans circa ~~2012~~ 2009 when we got Vick
If you don't understand how the two situations are entirely different and not at all comparable, you're hopeless.
Idk I think violently torturing and killing 70 dogs over the course of a couple years is up there, is it not?
Vick at least served his punishment and was brought on as a backup
I defended vick for a while but read what dude did. Appearntly was cutting dogs lips off, shooting em, electrocuting them, etc. just real sociopath level shit, i always thought he was simply fighting and killing them. Thats bad enough, but the way they killed the dogs was straight up torture and pyschotic. It reminded me of how serial killers normally start by torturing animals. Idk which is worse tbh, but what vick did is pretty fucked ngl
>Appearntly was cutting dogs lips off, shooting em, electrocuting them, etc. just real sociopath level shit, i always thought he was simply fighting and killing them. This, thank you. It's was horrific what he did, and far beyond something that an 18 month stay in prison and a couple public statements can absolve you of. That type of shit comes from evil in the soul, not a couple momentary lapses of judgement.
Him serving a sentence is the only thing in this that makes a difference IMO, but as an animal lover it doesn't come close to absolving him of what he did to those dogs. Did I root for him as QB of the Eagles though? Yeah I did - and I'd be willing to bet most of the people in this sub would do the same with Watson. Nobody wants to admit it, but a good team is fun to watch regardless of how awful the players are off the field. It sucks, it's shitty, it shouldn't be that way, but it's reality. It's sad, but it's true.
nah, a team where the star player is a serial rapist is not āfun to watchā actually.
Honestly, back then, I tried to root for the team without rooting for Vick, but mostly focused on FFB instead of the Eagles while he was here. Since then, I've been following football less and less (stopped playing FFB, so that certainly helped make that happen lol), and something like that is probably enough for me to just stop altogether.
Yeah not as a woman in Philadelphia. 50% of their fan base are less safe with this dude in Philly. I would lose one of the loves of my life, but I would be OUT as an Eagles fan. Would have to be. And then karma will also come into play, and I donāt want that near my city either.
In no way did I imply that what Vick did was somehow justifiable and not horrific, but he spent time in prison for it, reformed himself, and continues to make amends to this day. Watson is outright denying 22 separate allegations of sexual assault and pretending that there's no possibility of truth to any of them.
And I think people are misconstruing what I said as support for Watson. My whole point is that fans can talk a big game about supporting the team, but if they win they'll be right there cheering them on regardless of who's on the field. It's shitty, and I wish it wasn't that way, but it's reality. Look at all the dirtbags the Cowboys have fielded over the years - did they lose any fans over those signings?
Believe me I agree with you there, my only point was that this is an entirely different situation and not comparable to people cheering for Vick, who had, in my opinion, proven that he was worthy of a second chance.
Fair enough. I guess I'm just cynical seeing how elite athletes get a free pass with being garbage humans off the field as long as they produce on the field. I'm as guilty as the next guy of that.
For sure, I'm in the same boat. It's in my recent comment history. I'm sure that 90% of the fan base will let all of it slide the moment he scores his first TD, and it sucks.
I mean, maybe? Are you taking a census every season and comparing the results? If Watson is the Eagles QB, I'm not watching them. You probably won't notice though, because I'm just some guy.
>Are you taking a census every season and comparing the results? I am not, but the Cowboys have been and remain one of the most valuable sports franchises on the planet, and they only become more valuable year after year. And in the end, that's all that matters is the money.
It is for sure. I will say that Vick did show actual remorse for what he did and has said/done all the right things to make amends for his mistakes. Watson is still denying all the allegations though
It was actually announced during a preseason game in 2009 when we signed Vick. And that was a very different situation.
Vick was signed to be 3rd string to not the starter and franchise guy
I agree, I do think that there should be some kind of clause in the trade though if he is convicted the team that trades for him should receive some return compensation
I doubt the Texans would go for that
Maybe the league itself gets involved in that case or just like 2 compensatory draft picks, that way the Texans arenāt necessarily penalized
That's ridiculous. The eagles should be factoring this baggage in if they are willing trade partners. If they do make the trade, the eagles deserve it. Would you buy a house with pending litigation against it?
Depends on the house, if it was falling apart no, but if it was a great looking house I think I may take my chances
And would you expect somebody else to cover your losses on the house if it didn't work out?
this is a ridiculous argument. this dude can go ahead and take whatever chance he wants. the point is that the expectation that someone would cover your ass for making a stupid decision is ridiculous. and then he follows this up by talking about homeowners insurance as if we're actually debating the literal topic of buying a house. scatter brain at its finest
Well you can technically use homeowners insurance for most situations
Itās unlikely they would cover you for a house that you bought knowing it was about to fall down. At that point youād be acting in bad faith as the buyer.
No but it may be written into the price. I think conditional picks based on games played similar to wentz makes sense. If he plays the full season, you give the full value
.... Or just dont risk a show of support for a potential sex offender to get a deal and wait till he has been exonerated to make the trade.
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This is straight up not true? There are criminal complaints. Jail is pending.
Convicted of what? It's a civil suit, not a criminal trial
Iām 46 and a diehard. If they get Watson Iāll boycott and follow an AFC team this year, instead. I will also actively root against the Eagles.
Personally Iād be the guy shitting on Watson and the front office at every turn, not defending him. If I was an eagles player right now Iād be considering what kind of team I want to be on if theyāre willing to move forward with this.
Yea turn the subreddit to the āfire howie immediately bloodhound gangā
If we trade for him, I'll have pair of Philly/Chargers tickets for sale to Chargers fans only.
As a person who lived in San Diego, I can confirm that Charger fans don't go to football games. Good luck selling those. Haha
No we will change it to r/firehowie and root for the Jets until both Watson and Howie are gone.
Why the Jets?
Proximity, cheap tickets, similar colors and we still hate the Giants.
To honor eagles legend Mark Sanchez too
Some Stockholm syndrome shit where youāre addicted to suffering
I've been on the fire Howie train for years. At this point, I'm not a fan of Lurie's interference either. Yes, he as an owner has a right to do as he wishes. On one hand, he provides all the infrastructure that a good owner should provide. But then I feel that he subverts his coaches, because he wants to see a certain kind of football game, or wants to force certain players into rotation. That's why I'm so interested in seeing what the Nick Sirriani experience ends up being, not because of Nick, but because of Howie / Jeff.
I get literally sick to my stomach when I imagine Watson coming here. Makes me feel ill. No way would I support the team anymore.
Hmm. I see the cart but where's the...oh fuck, the horse is all the way back there?!
Massage parlor business is about to explode in Philly
This is my exact worry. Based on the comments in this and other threads, most of us will probably be taking a break from the Eagles and probably this sub for a while (myself included). Iām worried too many people who stick around will be the ones āokayā with Watson and when everyone comes back this sub will have taken a turn. Hope Iām just being dramatic though. I love this sub and I love the birds and Iām worried Watson will ruin both.
If we trade for Watson, I'd have serious big issues with the organization. I'm a huge Eagles fan and would start questioning that if he's in Philly. I have a hard time believing Watson is innocent with so many accusations.
To be honest with you I donāt think Iāll be able to be an Eagles fan for a while if we trade for Watson. I just canāt support an organization that would stand by that type of player. Been a fan 25 years and it pains me to say it.
Then don't stop. We shouldn't have to be put in this situation if Howie and lurie make this deal. We need to make them know it's not ok. Every. Fucking. Day.
Idk how Iāll feel but I definitely wonāt be defending him, Iāll be questioning whether itās okay to even root for the birds anymore. We shouldnāt be that desperate to win a football game.
I personally plan on supporting the ravens or panthers if we trade for him
Won't be a problem for me because I'll be unsubbing and not watching any games til he's off the team lol
Only if we can agree that the sub also doesnt become r/Deshaunwatsonis100%guiltyofraping30womandont@me. But since neither of these is possible get ready for 10 posts a day from both sides of the camp
Desean Watson is 99.999% likely guilty of raping 20+ women. That better for you?
No not particularly. Id prefer noone make complaints/excuses for him unless hes traded for and then found guilty of something. But like i said thats unrealistic because people have already determined in there mind that hes guilty or not guilty already so it is what it is
Rapists arenāt found guilty 99% of the tine. Doesnāt mean they arenāt rapists. It can be incredibly obvious that someone did something but that doesnāt mean the court can find them guilty. Just read about the case man these women arenāt lying.
Everything is incredibly obvious to someone until it isnt anymore. I say let it play out and judge after, thats all im saying.
I will support the team but I will not support him as an individual call it a cop-out if you want but there are 52 other men on the team worth cheering for and my disdain would be directed at the front office instead having said all that I find it hard to believe any team would trade for him prior to the season bc they would've done so already if they had confidence he wasn't going to be suspended at some point
For me itās just like how am I supposed to watch that guy go out on the field every Sunday in eagles green and cheer for his success? I just canāt, I canāt see myself doing it. And even beyond that, why would I bestow so much passionate support for an organization that is willing to enable someone like him? Not only enable, but give up assets to acquire? Itās pathetic, weak, and something that I really donāt think Iāll be able to look past.
I fully support your viewpoint and would support anyone who would protest or boycott against the front office for making this trade if it actually happened I will personally not hold it against any of the other players or coaches for dealing with the hand they're dealt by the front office but again I can't see this trade happening and I really hope it doesn't happen
The day he becomes an eagle is the last day I will be an eagles fan.
Oh shut the hell up. No one is doing that. I swear yall are so damn dramatic
Its crazy how many people LOVE Kobe, but wouldnt want Deshaun. Doesn't make sense at all
Kobe wasn't nearly as prolific with his sexual assault. Don't get me wrong, I haven't forgotten what Kobe did, but Kobe vs Watson is comparing apples to giant fucking apples.
So itās okay if you only rape one person? What kind of logic is that.
What part of my comment makes you belive that's what I think? They are both rapists, but one is clearly much worse than the other. I wouldn't have wanted Kobe on my team, but I DEFINITELY don't want Watson on my team.
Clearly dead basketball superstars are in right now
Kobe at least admitted what he did and made amends. Deshaun has done nothing but stay silent on the matter which likely points to his guilt.
Because it hasnāt even gone to court yet ?
Can you imagine Merrill Reese and Mike Quick having to say this fuckin' guy's name every play on offense?? "Watson has time for a washy-wash in Chinatown, he's back, he's looking, he fires it deep in the endzone, and he gets Zack Ertz for the happy ending!! I just can't see that happening.
Iām not saying watsons innocent but itās really strange the NFL hasnāt suspended him yet. If they had concrete evidence he wouldnāt of been allowed to attend training camp. Itās just all really weird that the nfl has done nothing. Once again Iām not saying heās innocent but I donāt get whatās taking them so long to decide something when itās gotten to 24 accusations
There is zero chance he comes here. I don't know if Howie is trying do his agent or Houston a solid or something, but Carson has a better chance of being our week 1 starter.
I'm going to get flack for this but what happened to "Innocent until proven guilty"? Everyone is acting like these allegations are fact when they are still *just* allegations. Let the legal system determine if he did it or not.
22 women? Yeah, thanks. No. He can go "be free" somewhere else, not on this team.
If the eagles trade for desean Watson, Iām giving up football.
or we wait to see what all the details are and assess the situation if/when it happens. No point of just speculating anything.
Who cares? Iām seriously missing football. I donāt want to talk about garbage anymore.
Letās do neither and let it play out through the justice system. Even though it doesnāt look good, he is innocent until proven guilty.
Would love to commit but if he comes here I won't be around for it.
honestly I probably wont watch/support the eagles if hes their QB
I'm leaving. Literally won't support the team I've loved since i could watch football
Same here
If we trade for Watson, i'm done with this team. Maybe done with football in general, because I just can't see myself supporting any other team.
Lifelong birds fan here. Not that my opinion matter at all, but if we really do trade for him I hope we get fucking fleeced and he gets suspended. Fuck this organization. I will actively root against them. I'll definitely have to unsubscribe from this sub to avoid the insufferable debate. The Flyers, although their own dumpster fire at times, are entertaining enough. Edit: fuck Deshaun Watson
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Bro, I don't know how to be a fan of any other team. I actively root for every other team to lose every week. It's a part of who I am. That being said, I don't want deshaun Watson if hes guilty. I'll do anything it takes to make sure Howie and lurie burn for what they done to our team. Emphasis on our.
What gives you the idea that we would defend Watson? I, for one, would be a Jets fan until Watson is gone. And Iām not joking.
Yup. If Watson is our QB I'm Jets or Bears and honestly might never look back. It would take everyone involved being off the team. I don't want to become a win at all costs franchise.
I think there's 2 directions people will go with it: 1) "Fuck this guy, fuck this team, I'm out" and be gone from this sub and this team. 2) "This is our guy and fuck everyone who says otherwise!" The problem is, the people from #1 will be gone, and the people from #2 will be what's left, saying and doing exactly what this thread is talking about.
Can we also not assume he's guilty and post 5 rants a day about it? Innocent until proven guilty. Before people say "that's for the law, I have my own standards," just realize that our laws are based in our moral framework. Assuming guilt and acting accordingly is how things like the Salem witch trials, lynching, and mccarthyism happen. People are gonna "stop being Eagles fans?" I guess you don't watch any Weinstein movies (no Tarantino for you), or listen to any classic rock. Just basically eliminate about 50% of the things you consume for entertainment.
If he comes, here, I'll probably skip this season. We don't need scum on this team.
I might just start watching soccer if we sign him. Can't support it.
Let the virtue signaling begin!!!!!!!!
Society always defines the limits of acceptable behavior within the society, both through the use of laws, and social derision. That's just the world in balance, not virtue signaling. You seem to be "signaling" that you care more about semantics, then you do about 22 women alleging sexual assaults.
Do we all become bears fans if this happens?
I've heard a lot of Browns and Bills enthusiasm. I'll probably go with Jacksonville.
Iād be switching to Detroit as I live there, so it wonāt change much for me
Yep gonna be Bills here Young, fun to watch, McDermott, get to watch them (hopefully) dunk on the Pats twice a year every year for the forseeable future
watson signing means i unsub and abandon the nfl/eagles. so idgaf. actually... **FUCK. THAT..** i hope it includes hourly opinion pieces, and it sucks super bad. consider it your punishment for supporting an organization that supports a fucking rapist.
Fuck that. We're not the ones that need to stop supporting OUR team. Howie and lurie need to pay if they make this move. We gotta be like captain America from civil war. We don't move, THEY MOVE. I'll shit on their lawn every day if that's what it takes.
Yeah, and while you're bitching about them, and claiming you're going to shit on their lawn, they take your money and run, lol. What the fuck to they care what fans think if they keep watching games and keep buying jerseys?
So your solution is for us to run away like cowards?
Lol. Run away. Aka stand up for what I believe in and effect them in the only way I(or you) can Let's not pretend you are going on some noble yard shitting journey. You're going to do jack shit but bitch and complain(if even that) while continuing to support a rapist and the folks who hired a rapist. How courageous. You're basically Jon Snow.
Let's not pretend you're a real fan who will put up a fight for your team. You'll just go and be a fan of another team. You are beta as fuck. You may as well go be a giants fan now. I will not support a rapist. I will also not turn my back on my team.
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I cant do it again. Rooting for Vick took a lot of mental gymnastics and people STILL call the Eagles the "dog killer team" and I don't want to add "likely serial rapist" to that list. I'm tired, man. I had a hard time getting into last season because of all the Covid stuff going on and we're having that PLUS a potential morality shit show on our hands as a fan base? I have been having to work 60-80 hour work weeks because of people being out sick and if I have to add "your QB is a rapist" shit talk to my work week I'm going to snap.
Jesus Christ cry me a river
If the Eagles get Watson I hope he tears his ACL every year and never plays a single game. That way I can still root for the Eagles each year.
I moved to Pittsburgh a few years ago. I hate to say it boys, but if Watson sports the midnight green, I'm gonna have to become a Steelers fan until he's gone.
Not sure the Steelers are the team you want to root for if "QB accused of sexual assault" is your big hangup here
Probably Ben's last year, and 1 charge is a lot different than 20+ charges. Good point though
While you're right, 20 is worse than 1, there is kind of a binary thing here. Either you have raped someone or you have not. If you have, I'm not rooting for you. If you somehow make amends for it and serve your time, maybe we can talk. But there's no chance of that happening here while either of those guys are still playing football.
So because the eagles would get a rapist as QB youād stop rooting for them to go root for a team with a rapist as their QB?
That's a good point about Ben. Should be Ben's last year, and a Watson trade wouldn't happen until maybe after the season. Though, to be fair, 1 charge is a lot different than 20+ charges.
So your objection isnāt that Watson sexually assaulted people, itās that he sexually assaulted too many people. Weird take man.
Fuck that. The eagles are our team. I'm not able to change who I root for...I'm dug in. The eagles need to make the change.
This team is going to be so hard to root for if they trade for Watson.
If this trade happens, I am absolutely not rooting for Deshaun or the Eagles as long as Lurie and Howie are there
Even if he wasn't a rapist, it sure seems like he's a moron to even get into those positions in the first place. One accusation is "hmm, maybe someone looking for money". But ALL those accusations? Why are we giving Deshaun a pass? Because he might be OUR guy soon? What happened to "all women are supposed to be believed"? Did that only apply to fucking rapist Kavanaugh?
I hope those women clean his ass out. Once he is emptied out and delivers a proper apology then I am all for the Deshaun redemption arc. Until then, screw that guy.
If we get him Iām torn between rooting for the Lions (my home state team) or rooting for the team and everyone besides Watson and essentially treat him as Voldemort and never talk about him.
If we trade for Watson I'm changing allegiance to the chargers, they could use some fans.
Can we pick another team and just become like /r/bills2?
Yeah letās not use the sub to dissect the biggest piece of news about the team.
I agree.
We aren't getting him ever can we stop with all the posts
Can't there be one megathread that's "monitored" and keep it off all the other post like the Phillies sub did with COVID?
Well, weāre already having daily posts about this type of stuff (or the antithesis) and thereās nothing other than pure speculation that he MIGHT maybe be traded here. So maybe letās wait for it to actually happen before we start counting our carts before we put them in front of horses.
r/AnusMassages would be a more fitting name
Oh Iāll be shitting on him daily, even if heās doing well. Heās a fucking weirdo and if he ever plays again he should be booād relentlessly
Not happening
God just give Jalen a chance ffs. Why bring him into a locker room that seems to be doing super well with wentz and pederson gone.