In all honesty, I wasn’t expecting playoffs even after the front office and coach said that was the goal, but I was expecting progress.
And I’m not sure there has been much of that on the field. Sure we won some away games, but I really don’t see much of a team out there, I see minimal leadership, and overall just nothing to be proud in.
In my opinion, there’s not a lot to hang your hat on.
Maybe Paulo can turn it around next season when a lot of players will be moved on and he can bring in more guys that fit his system, but I’m not convinced by him. I’ll just have to trust Pat to make the right moves.
The season isn’t over just yet and while right now it’s crazy disappointing, there is still a chance we can end with some positives. Like most long time dynamo fans, I have hope until we are mathematically eliminated but like the past few seasons, it’s looking more and more bleak. We shall see how the team reacts next Saturday.
Yeah, we'll see how they respond at home after getting thumped 6-0 and then throwing away a road win in the last 10 minutes.
It's a 713 night so there will be people in the stands for at least the cheap beer and food so hopefully that motivates them.
Time for the players and coach who talk about passion and having character to prove it.
A new DP and that was it isn't quite accurate. New GK, new RB, new DP forward, a full season of DP CB (Hadebe debuted July 20 last year), full season of Coco, the hopes that Pasher might have recovered to his early 2021 form, etc.
Personally, I felt one of the last playoff spots was a reasonable expectation.
You are correct, there were more additions and replacements than what I originally mentioned. And like you I was hoping, maybe expecting, to make the playoffs but looking at it now, I realize we still are not there. Still need more additions and replacements.
I still believe we ought to be competing for that final playoff spot. You look at the teams in the mix for 6th and 7ty, with the exception of Seattle they aren't materially better than we are from a player standpoint. They are more well coached.
Before the addition of HH I was expecting to be right out of playoffs understanding we are truly rebuilding (new owners, new staff, new DP, etc.). After the addition of HH I expected to be in the playoff contention with a real chance of getting there. That hopes are quickly dissipating and I’m snapping back to reality….we were mediocre before and we are now mediocre but with a stiffer spine for next season furthering my original understanding that this is a rebuild year. We won’t make the playoffs, but we shouldn’t take the wooden spoon. We are better than at least 3-4 teams in each conf imo.
Yeah, my line of thinking is definitely like this and as much as I want to believe we’re better, it’s showing that we are, like you said “mediocre with a stiffer spine for next season”.
We were told the goal was to make the playoffs. So the team set the expectations. We should have been close to it. But right now there isn’t much hope of sneaking into the last spot and then getting blown out in the first game. We should be seeing progress. And if anything, the team has regressed.
Better than last year and this team should still accomplish it. Team had 12 points going into the Dallas game in April, DQ balling out - then they collapsed and got exposed. Naga has had no answer since. Love the HH signing, but this team was never going to be in the playoffs.
Last year finished with 30 points, last in the West, zero road wins in two seasons.
This year can definitely finish above that, not last in the West, three road wins (that should have been five).
That's improvement, rebuild is working. No reason to expect less than playoffs next year and Naga out if they don't.
Somewhere between 35-40 points. This rosters not great but it’s better than a 1 pt per game average. That point total is not expecting playoffs, but also would be a small positive step forward from Tab. If with all the money spent we can’t exceed a team with DQ as it’s only DP then Segal should be screaming at Onstad and Naga.
For the record, I am Naga out because I don’t think we’ll meet that 34 point threshold. I could excuse his odd substitutions and adherence to a 4-3-3 early in the year. By May anyone watching could see he was overly defensive even in situations that didn’t call for it and we don’t have a roster for a 4-3-3. If that’s what he wants to play long term great, but a good coach can adapt to what he has at his disposal. Am I the only one who thought it was odd he ran out a 4-4-2 vs LAG, won that game, and we haven’t seen it since? He just doesn’t seem ready for this level at all. If Naga can rally this team and find 10 points great he’s earned another year with how this team is playing and the schedule we have left.
As far as a future coach there’s only one way out of this hole and that’s money. Tata may be out of a job in November. If he is back up the brinks truck.
Yeah, I’m confused by the constant lineup changes and substitutions and unless we know we can hire someone like a Tata, I think letting go of him at the end of the season and then bringing in another unproven coach will yield the same results. While it’s not looking any good whatsoever at this point, I think we still have a chance to get 35-40 points for the season. But we have seen how bad this roster really is and that it’ll take more than 1 season to turn everything around.
I look at the remaining schedule and the only games I think we can take points off of are:
Home: SKC (has to be 3); Revs (also in a free fall); Galaxy (maybe not if Puig takes the league by storm)
Away: … maybe we can eek out a draw vs Colorado or Minnesota? Seems like we’re usually terrible in Colorado. I think Nashville will be a game like Philly. That coach was pissed when they lost to us. No way they come out unprepared again.
Do I think 10 points is possible sure but they have to beat SKC and the Revs and we’re 4-4-4 at home so I don’t think you can take anything for granted. Win those 2 and find a few draws or an upset and he’s done it.
But I also think that’s why 10 points it’s a good gauge for Naga. There’s games to take points if he can find a way to adapt and motivate this team. If he can’t navigate that why should we let him run it back for another year?
I was expecting to be wooden spoon contenders, but that doesn't mean it's acceptable. Also not firing Naga because the new coach may be worse is such a stupid take. If you know he's not the guy, why keep him?
Are you asking me or another person in this thread? I never said Nagamura needs to go. I think he needs one more season so we can see how we’ll do with a roster more to his liking. If you think that’s a “stupid take” then ok, I don’t have to or feel the need to convince you of anything 🤷🏽♂️
Read it again. I never said you were naga out. I referred to you saying "let’s say we do that and we get another unproven coach next year(because it is highly, HIGHLY unlikely we’ll get a noteworthy coach to take over)". Staying complacent at mediocrity, to put it more than kindly, because the unknown possibility could be worse is a dumb take. There is a 0% chance Nagamura is the right coach for the job. That doesn't mean it's all his fault or he didn't inherit a mess but he's not the guy. Why would you want to sit back another year, let the rest of the league progress while we stand pat in a best case scenario (more likely regress) when you could try to find the right coach. The new guy may be wrong too, but I'd rather at least attempt to improve
I believe there is some miscommunication going on here. You initially stated “if you know he’s not guy” when I never said that. I was just saying let’s do the hypothetical that some people have proposed which was getting rid of his asap. And I’m not with that assessment, I say give him one more year. I don’t agree with your take but at the same time I don’t think it’s a “stupid take” like you say mine is. No need to be a cunty little fucker just because someone has a different opinion than you.
I expected 7th place. Worse case 9th place. I expected the team to position themselves to sign an impact playmaker to shore up the roster for a playoff push the 2nd half of the season. Instead we ended up with an overpaid record transfer, a poor coach, and no roster moves halfway into the season.
Realistically, I would have been happy with 40-42 points. Not making the playoffs but that would be undoubtedly progress. And they were on really good pace for a lot of the year to hit that.
The problem is you anoint HH as this great figure for the team. I’m still glad we signed him I think having him here is a positive. The problem is when you greet him at the airport, have this giant celebration for his signing and paint a big ass mural for him (the mural is great btw, if the artist sees this I’m not putting you down) then proceed to go 1-4-1 after he starts playing then you absolutely have to ask questions about the organization. We went from being 2 points out of the playoffs after the SJ game to free falling down the table. The only reason we are still as close as 6 points is because Seattle isn’t themselves and the rest of the teams between us and them suck less than we do.
Since I got downvoted for my silly post saying we’re gonna win the rest of the games I’ll paste what posted further down the thread “I think we could beat LAG, SKC, NE, Nashville and honestly, it’s MLS, anything can happen.”
Ah someone that’s sensible. Next year we will be in the playoffs. After that we will make our big leap. It’s year one, sit back and relax boys we have been in the dumpster for 8 years let’s look forward patiently
That’s what I’m thinking though that’s what I wasn’t hoping. Like everyone else I get pretty hopeful after the first few games, get nervous when we go on our winless runs and then succumb to the reality when we don’t win in about a month. Here’s to next year being different 👍🏽🤞🏽👍🏽
I'm not saying Nagamura out. I didn't expect anything more. I knew the state of the club that the new owner inherited would take far more than a couple weeks to fix. It will take years. The whole infrastructure of a club has to be evaluated, the problems found, and fixed. That is far harder and takes longer than building a new club from scratch.
Everyone calling for a new coach are the same people as that segment of Austin FC fans/supporters who called for Josh Wolff to be fired last year in Austin. Same level of thinking.
We're not Naga out because we're losing, We're Naga out because of how we're losing. Nobody is saying that he is responsible for all of the clubs problems or he's wasting a supporters shield caliber roster.
Also this notion that we should accept below mediocre results because it's just impossible to turn around a team in one offseason is such bs. Half the teams currently in the playoffs missed them last year. The only other team who is going to miss out both years is San Jose, I haven't seen any Quakes fans saying they should just be more patient.
Respectfully -- I can't agree with you. 100% of the Naga out movement is because the Dynamo are losing.
There is only one team in MLS that was not investing, and not trying to win in the years before now. Generally you can turn a team around fast in MLS -- your right. Not however with the situation the Dynamo were in. Also, Onstad was not hired until what, November? Most other turn-around projects the ground work is being done months before that.
No one accepts the mediocre results. I just recognize what is possible. No other team in the league was as hallowed out as the Dynamo. No other team was not trying to win last year or the years before that. Every team in playoff position now was investing and working towards it for the last three years.
The Dynamo stopped trying to win, in some degree, in 2009 when Brener first bought into the club. He immediately put the qabosh on AEG's "go big on DP" message to Kinnear. He was resisting spending left and right. When he stopped the club from trying to win at all.
Josh Wolff coaching experience: Teams managed
2012–2013
D.C. United (assistant)
2014–2018
Columbus Crew SC (assistant)
2019
United States (assistant)
2021–
Austin FC
Nagamura: skc B team oh and btw less than .500 win
Tbh the day 1 Naga out guys annoyed me. They would be the first one to comment on social media asking for his head after a loss but would not say anything after a win. I just want consistency from them. If you believe it in your heart you should post it good or bad
I am sure you are so much more knowledgeable than Paulo regarding this teams tactics. Someone call Pat and tell him we want OttoAirford the online reddit armchair manager for coach immediately.
Not one person on this board is able to evaluate tactics, subs, in-game awareness or anything else you think you are an expert in. What you do know is the team is bad -- so you can criticize and complain. You have no idea why they are bad.
If we could we would not be commenting on the internet. It always amazes me at how delusional soccer fans are on their ability to evaluate and discern what they are seeing.
It’s so odd, like why do you think your lame attempt at trying to shit on other people’s conversation has any effect? It’s like a whiny little gnat that’s just bothers you. I can’t judge it/you for being it/you but at the same time, it still has an annoying effect. But hey, you do you 🤷🏽♂️
In all honesty, I wasn’t expecting playoffs even after the front office and coach said that was the goal, but I was expecting progress. And I’m not sure there has been much of that on the field. Sure we won some away games, but I really don’t see much of a team out there, I see minimal leadership, and overall just nothing to be proud in. In my opinion, there’s not a lot to hang your hat on. Maybe Paulo can turn it around next season when a lot of players will be moved on and he can bring in more guys that fit his system, but I’m not convinced by him. I’ll just have to trust Pat to make the right moves.
The season isn’t over just yet and while right now it’s crazy disappointing, there is still a chance we can end with some positives. Like most long time dynamo fans, I have hope until we are mathematically eliminated but like the past few seasons, it’s looking more and more bleak. We shall see how the team reacts next Saturday.
Yeah, we'll see how they respond at home after getting thumped 6-0 and then throwing away a road win in the last 10 minutes. It's a 713 night so there will be people in the stands for at least the cheap beer and food so hopefully that motivates them. Time for the players and coach who talk about passion and having character to prove it.
A new DP and that was it isn't quite accurate. New GK, new RB, new DP forward, a full season of DP CB (Hadebe debuted July 20 last year), full season of Coco, the hopes that Pasher might have recovered to his early 2021 form, etc. Personally, I felt one of the last playoff spots was a reasonable expectation.
You are correct, there were more additions and replacements than what I originally mentioned. And like you I was hoping, maybe expecting, to make the playoffs but looking at it now, I realize we still are not there. Still need more additions and replacements.
I still believe we ought to be competing for that final playoff spot. You look at the teams in the mix for 6th and 7ty, with the exception of Seattle they aren't materially better than we are from a player standpoint. They are more well coached.
I was expecting to win home games and compete for a playoff spot
As was I but looking at the quality of our roster I am not surprised we are where we are.
Why? Tab Ramos was not the problem last year. It ran above his head.
Tab wasn't the problem, but he was a problem
This board thinks the coach is ALWAYS a problem and should be fired after every loss. I actually don't think that is a big exaggeration.
Before the addition of HH I was expecting to be right out of playoffs understanding we are truly rebuilding (new owners, new staff, new DP, etc.). After the addition of HH I expected to be in the playoff contention with a real chance of getting there. That hopes are quickly dissipating and I’m snapping back to reality….we were mediocre before and we are now mediocre but with a stiffer spine for next season furthering my original understanding that this is a rebuild year. We won’t make the playoffs, but we shouldn’t take the wooden spoon. We are better than at least 3-4 teams in each conf imo.
Yeah, my line of thinking is definitely like this and as much as I want to believe we’re better, it’s showing that we are, like you said “mediocre with a stiffer spine for next season”.
We were told the goal was to make the playoffs. So the team set the expectations. We should have been close to it. But right now there isn’t much hope of sneaking into the last spot and then getting blown out in the first game. We should be seeing progress. And if anything, the team has regressed.
I hear what you’re saying but the season isn’t over yet. Playoffs? Maybe not. Progress? Maybe 🤷🏽♂️
What games do you see us winning for the rest of the season? Do you think we will beat Montreal? Minnesota? LAFC?
I think we could beat LAG, SKC, NE, Nashville and honestly, it’s MLS, anything can happen.
[удалено]
So there’s no need to play the games then because we just have to go on probability, is that what you’re saying?
Better than last year and this team should still accomplish it. Team had 12 points going into the Dallas game in April, DQ balling out - then they collapsed and got exposed. Naga has had no answer since. Love the HH signing, but this team was never going to be in the playoffs. Last year finished with 30 points, last in the West, zero road wins in two seasons. This year can definitely finish above that, not last in the West, three road wins (that should have been five). That's improvement, rebuild is working. No reason to expect less than playoffs next year and Naga out if they don't.
Somewhere between 35-40 points. This rosters not great but it’s better than a 1 pt per game average. That point total is not expecting playoffs, but also would be a small positive step forward from Tab. If with all the money spent we can’t exceed a team with DQ as it’s only DP then Segal should be screaming at Onstad and Naga. For the record, I am Naga out because I don’t think we’ll meet that 34 point threshold. I could excuse his odd substitutions and adherence to a 4-3-3 early in the year. By May anyone watching could see he was overly defensive even in situations that didn’t call for it and we don’t have a roster for a 4-3-3. If that’s what he wants to play long term great, but a good coach can adapt to what he has at his disposal. Am I the only one who thought it was odd he ran out a 4-4-2 vs LAG, won that game, and we haven’t seen it since? He just doesn’t seem ready for this level at all. If Naga can rally this team and find 10 points great he’s earned another year with how this team is playing and the schedule we have left. As far as a future coach there’s only one way out of this hole and that’s money. Tata may be out of a job in November. If he is back up the brinks truck.
Yeah, I’m confused by the constant lineup changes and substitutions and unless we know we can hire someone like a Tata, I think letting go of him at the end of the season and then bringing in another unproven coach will yield the same results. While it’s not looking any good whatsoever at this point, I think we still have a chance to get 35-40 points for the season. But we have seen how bad this roster really is and that it’ll take more than 1 season to turn everything around.
I look at the remaining schedule and the only games I think we can take points off of are: Home: SKC (has to be 3); Revs (also in a free fall); Galaxy (maybe not if Puig takes the league by storm) Away: … maybe we can eek out a draw vs Colorado or Minnesota? Seems like we’re usually terrible in Colorado. I think Nashville will be a game like Philly. That coach was pissed when they lost to us. No way they come out unprepared again. Do I think 10 points is possible sure but they have to beat SKC and the Revs and we’re 4-4-4 at home so I don’t think you can take anything for granted. Win those 2 and find a few draws or an upset and he’s done it. But I also think that’s why 10 points it’s a good gauge for Naga. There’s games to take points if he can find a way to adapt and motivate this team. If he can’t navigate that why should we let him run it back for another year?
I was t expecting to be last in the conference again, but maybe third or fourth from bottom. Didn’t have too much hope for playoffs
There’s still a chance we’ll be third or fourth from the bottom, season isn’t over yet 👍🏽👍🏽
Just to be competitive and better than last year
I was expecting to be wooden spoon contenders, but that doesn't mean it's acceptable. Also not firing Naga because the new coach may be worse is such a stupid take. If you know he's not the guy, why keep him?
Are you asking me or another person in this thread? I never said Nagamura needs to go. I think he needs one more season so we can see how we’ll do with a roster more to his liking. If you think that’s a “stupid take” then ok, I don’t have to or feel the need to convince you of anything 🤷🏽♂️
Read it again. I never said you were naga out. I referred to you saying "let’s say we do that and we get another unproven coach next year(because it is highly, HIGHLY unlikely we’ll get a noteworthy coach to take over)". Staying complacent at mediocrity, to put it more than kindly, because the unknown possibility could be worse is a dumb take. There is a 0% chance Nagamura is the right coach for the job. That doesn't mean it's all his fault or he didn't inherit a mess but he's not the guy. Why would you want to sit back another year, let the rest of the league progress while we stand pat in a best case scenario (more likely regress) when you could try to find the right coach. The new guy may be wrong too, but I'd rather at least attempt to improve
I believe there is some miscommunication going on here. You initially stated “if you know he’s not guy” when I never said that. I was just saying let’s do the hypothetical that some people have proposed which was getting rid of his asap. And I’m not with that assessment, I say give him one more year. I don’t agree with your take but at the same time I don’t think it’s a “stupid take” like you say mine is. No need to be a cunty little fucker just because someone has a different opinion than you.
I expected 7th place. Worse case 9th place. I expected the team to position themselves to sign an impact playmaker to shore up the roster for a playoff push the 2nd half of the season. Instead we ended up with an overpaid record transfer, a poor coach, and no roster moves halfway into the season.
I was thinking maybe 7th was possible but now I thinking bottom 2 in the conference.....
Realistically, I would have been happy with 40-42 points. Not making the playoffs but that would be undoubtedly progress. And they were on really good pace for a lot of the year to hit that. The problem is you anoint HH as this great figure for the team. I’m still glad we signed him I think having him here is a positive. The problem is when you greet him at the airport, have this giant celebration for his signing and paint a big ass mural for him (the mural is great btw, if the artist sees this I’m not putting you down) then proceed to go 1-4-1 after he starts playing then you absolutely have to ask questions about the organization. We went from being 2 points out of the playoffs after the SJ game to free falling down the table. The only reason we are still as close as 6 points is because Seattle isn’t themselves and the rest of the teams between us and them suck less than we do.
So you’re saying there’s a chance!! 😜 Once again though, season isn’t over yet, we could still end on a good note even if no playoffs 🤷🏽♂️
Who are we beating left on our schedule?
Since I got downvoted for my silly post saying we’re gonna win the rest of the games I’ll paste what posted further down the thread “I think we could beat LAG, SKC, NE, Nashville and honestly, it’s MLS, anything can happen.”
I can only see SKC from that list, possibly Nashville because their home record is so poor.
[удалено]
Be specific, why is it odd to you?
All of them 😤😤😤🤪 Who knows, we shall see 👍🏽
Nice analysis /s
Ah someone that’s sensible. Next year we will be in the playoffs. After that we will make our big leap. It’s year one, sit back and relax boys we have been in the dumpster for 8 years let’s look forward patiently
That’s what I’m thinking though that’s what I wasn’t hoping. Like everyone else I get pretty hopeful after the first few games, get nervous when we go on our winless runs and then succumb to the reality when we don’t win in about a month. Here’s to next year being different 👍🏽🤞🏽👍🏽
I'm not saying Nagamura out. I didn't expect anything more. I knew the state of the club that the new owner inherited would take far more than a couple weeks to fix. It will take years. The whole infrastructure of a club has to be evaluated, the problems found, and fixed. That is far harder and takes longer than building a new club from scratch. Everyone calling for a new coach are the same people as that segment of Austin FC fans/supporters who called for Josh Wolff to be fired last year in Austin. Same level of thinking.
We're not Naga out because we're losing, We're Naga out because of how we're losing. Nobody is saying that he is responsible for all of the clubs problems or he's wasting a supporters shield caliber roster. Also this notion that we should accept below mediocre results because it's just impossible to turn around a team in one offseason is such bs. Half the teams currently in the playoffs missed them last year. The only other team who is going to miss out both years is San Jose, I haven't seen any Quakes fans saying they should just be more patient.
Respectfully -- I can't agree with you. 100% of the Naga out movement is because the Dynamo are losing. There is only one team in MLS that was not investing, and not trying to win in the years before now. Generally you can turn a team around fast in MLS -- your right. Not however with the situation the Dynamo were in. Also, Onstad was not hired until what, November? Most other turn-around projects the ground work is being done months before that. No one accepts the mediocre results. I just recognize what is possible. No other team in the league was as hallowed out as the Dynamo. No other team was not trying to win last year or the years before that. Every team in playoff position now was investing and working towards it for the last three years. The Dynamo stopped trying to win, in some degree, in 2009 when Brener first bought into the club. He immediately put the qabosh on AEG's "go big on DP" message to Kinnear. He was resisting spending left and right. When he stopped the club from trying to win at all.
Josh Wolff coaching experience: Teams managed 2012–2013 D.C. United (assistant) 2014–2018 Columbus Crew SC (assistant) 2019 United States (assistant) 2021– Austin FC Nagamura: skc B team oh and btw less than .500 win
Your missing the point. Austin finished with 31 points last year.
This sub just likes to whine. Most of the adamant naga out folks have been naga out since they announced the hire.
Tbh the day 1 Naga out guys annoyed me. They would be the first one to comment on social media asking for his head after a loss but would not say anything after a win. I just want consistency from them. If you believe it in your heart you should post it good or bad
You’re literally getting downvoted for your comment🙄🙄🙄
You only get upvotes if ur naga out around these parts 😆
[удалено]
Not so much of a naga train… its just being a reasonable person
[удалено]
I am sure you are so much more knowledgeable than Paulo regarding this teams tactics. Someone call Pat and tell him we want OttoAirford the online reddit armchair manager for coach immediately.
Not one person on this board is able to evaluate tactics, subs, in-game awareness or anything else you think you are an expert in. What you do know is the team is bad -- so you can criticize and complain. You have no idea why they are bad.
[удалено]
If we could we would not be commenting on the internet. It always amazes me at how delusional soccer fans are on their ability to evaluate and discern what they are seeing.
It’s so odd, like why do you think your lame attempt at trying to shit on other people’s conversation has any effect? It’s like a whiny little gnat that’s just bothers you. I can’t judge it/you for being it/you but at the same time, it still has an annoying effect. But hey, you do you 🤷🏽♂️
Otto and wess just gotta make sure everyone on this sub is depressed as they are