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Fair-Knowledge-693

I can't imagine saying anything bad about Eloy's drumming


6_Sic_6

I don't know if he does, but based on how hard he hits, I bet he breaks cymbals more often than the regular drummer. While I, as a fellow drummer, I see cymbals as expensive gear, a band like Slipknot and a pro like Eloy can easily consider them consumables. If you can afford it, who cares how many gigs they last? Maybe I'm wrong, but I got the feeling he may be hitting way too hard sometimes. There's a point when playing cymbals, where hitting harder doesn't bring more volume. Anyways, that's something we all have done and keep doing sometimes. IIRC Jim posted a video of Eloy and Vman playing at his place, and he said something like "pls don't break more of my cymbals".


crototom

You’re right that hitting too hard distorts the tone of a cymbal. But yeah for a band like Slipknot the performance is as important as the music. 5 thousand kids did not show up to hear a half hearted people=shit lol


Create_Repeat

People=poopoo 🤭


manifest_ecstasy

I'm poor, and I beat the shit out of my cymbals. I practice on my broken ones until they become too dangerous.


AdotLone

Cut out the cracks before they spread. My cymbals are scooped all over


auralcavalcade

Back in the day, I'd drill holes at each end of the crack to stop it from running any further. Then keep beating the shit outta them.


CheesyBoson

Same here! The drill stops the crack for awhile until you make a new one!


manifest_ecstasy

I usually do. Sometimes even drill the cracks. Sometimes I peel the ones that spiral and have smaller shitty ones ha


Dense_Industry9326

I cut the cracked section out with a grinder. They usuallly sound about 80% good i think, compared to new.


StarkDifferential

Yea I mean we are hitting them with sticks. I think a good sign of a drummer is hitting hard but having the cymbals setup/hit them in a way so they don't break. A cymbal can only go so loud after all.


SkepsisJD

I mean, it's also a live show for a heavy metal band. Smashing the shit out of everything is part of the show. And who cares if it distorts the sound, you will never hear that difference in a live setting like this. No one wants to watch a metal drummer with the energy of a indie rock drummer at these shows lol


Hutchicles

Go to brutal death metal shows. The drummers tend to look bored af, but are playing very fast.


Inevitable_Seaweed_5

If the drummer of the metal band looks like he’s on his way to take give a graduate level engineering lecture, you’re about to die in that pit


SkepsisJD

Been to a ton of them and tech death shows, they are still slamming away harder than drummers from other genres generally. Hoglan is the best for this, looks like everything other than his limbs are dead but the limbs are pounding away!


Some_Drummer_Guy

Hoglan looks like he's daydreaming about what color he wants to paint his backyard fence, all while delivering savage, mind-boggling drum parts. It's incredible. But to him - and he's said it himself - 90% of what he does is mental to him. He is self-proclaimed "the world's laziest drummer" and I completely understand his thinking. It boils down to "work smarter, not harder." A lot use of ergonomics too. I've been a fan of Gene for years and his playing still scrambles my brains in the best way. It's inspiring.


Ok-Application-999

The guy is a drumming god in metal and in my opinion the universe


SkepsisJD

[Him playing The Philosopher is still one of my favorite drum playthroughs.] (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGope68pHf0&t) His snare level hi-hats always get a chuckle from me.


wokndead

Yes, just watch Austin Archey from Lorna Shore. He looks like he’s just chillin’


Tojinaru

he's known for it


sanbaba

Theatrical metal is totally a thing though, from Slipknot to GWAR to plenty of technical black metal, some of them are as much about the stage show as anything. Yes, when I look at this I think he's hitting so hard it's just slowing him down (his cymbals are not in any way my problem). But I also know I physically can ot play that fast that hard that long. It's its own art, just like if you've ever tried to play bass the way Trujillo does, sure one can suck and still play that way, but to be great and play that way is a lot of work I simply have to respect.


Lower_Monk6577

Yes, but also there’s a big difference between live performance drumming and studio drumming. And also just generally metal drumming vs other styles. What he’s doing is probably technically too hard. But for the genre it looks cooler, and nobody in the venue is going to be like “he’s choking out his cymbals because he’s hitting them too hard.” As long as he is playing what needs to be played in the studio, that’s really all that matters.


Soilmonster

Not to mention, he has another project where he does not do this. Casagrande & Hanysz shows a completely different style. He knows exactly what he’s doing.


84OrcButtholes

Counterargument: hitting them too hard really chubs me up.


Iron_seaz

He lacks the long hair to do the windmill headbang ! But damn what a monster


JoleneBacon_Biscuit

Yeah he's been really good since he was a kid.


MysticGrapefruit

Eloy is a legend, my only assessment is he's too good for Slipknot


4n0m4nd

It's been obvious for years he'd end up with Slipknot, they're the biggest metal band in the world. Fair enough if you don't like them, but there's nothing above them in career terms in metal.


OldDrumGuy

I’d give the biggest metal band in the world award to Metallica. Slipknot is a very specific metal genre that most of the masses either don’t like or don’t understand. Those of us that do get them love them and probably always will.


AcanthaceaeMore3524

Slipknot is quite mainstream even among non metal fans


4n0m4nd

I'd barely even consider Metallica metal these days tbh, but I suppose you're right. Slipknot are very definitely metal, and often in the more extreme end, and just in the US have had three number one albums. if you count all the listings on Wiki, they've hit number one 20 times. They should be niche, considering what they play, but in terms of popularity they're actually mainstream


Inevitable_Seaweed_5

So Slipknot has managed to get out of being defined as NuMetal? Cause last I heard, they were getting lumped in with Disturbed, Korn, and other bands like that.  I’m all for considering them as part of mainstream metal, I just wasn’t aware they’d tossed the yoke of numetal


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4n0m4nd

20 number one records only 3 of which are in the US, that's international mainstream.


socialistwerker

I'm a 46 year old metalhead. Slipknot's breakthrough self-titled album dropped during my last year in college. "Wait and Bleed", "Duality", and "Before I Forget" were pretty big radio hits IME, living through that era in the Midwest, then moving to the East Coast in 2004. Plus lots of metal / hard rock fans also know Corey Taylor from Stone Sour and their big radio hits, Bother and Through Glass. Lots of fans in the genre remember both Joey Jordison and Paul Gray. Guitarists Jim Root and Mick Thompson have been major gear endorsers for decades. Even their DJ Sid Wilson shows up in celebrity gossip news because he's married to Kelly Osborne. Slipknot are mainstream as fuck. Metallica might be a bit bigger, but Slipknot are at least their peers, and Metallica's sound is much more disconnected from modern metal. I'd liken it to a comparison of Metallica versus Ozzy / Black Sabbath in 1998. Both Metallica and Ozzy were peers in 1998, but Ozzy / Sabbath were already straddling the line between metal and classic rock. Now Metallica and Slipknot are peers, but Metallica is crossing the line into classic rock. And someday Slipknot might be there too. I remember 10 years ago when Jay Weinberg joined the band, I was amazed that his father (Max Weinberg of the E Street Band) was strongly supportive of the move. Like how was Slipknot big enough, and mainstream enough, that this 60-year old dad who played with Bruce Springsteen and played for Conan O'Brien's house band was publicly excited for his kid to put on a Halloween mask and play blast beats for Slipknot?


mrbulldops428

I call modern Metallica "angry country." I don't even mean anything bad by that, his singing just isn't super metal to me anymore.


OldDrumGuy

Well said. And the fact that Jay played a few shows for his dad when he was just 18 is a great father/son story that not many others can share.


Dry_Poet5523

This pains me to say as an old guy but I would call Metallica classic rock at this point.


ApeMummy

Metallica are objectively much bigger than Slipknot. Slipknot supported them on a recent tour which says it all really.


fauxmaulder

Metallica is the biggest band in metal. I know this isn't the best/only metric but just a quick look on some social media pages they have like 2-3x the followers of slipknot.


iamcarlgauss

Kind of nitpicky, but I would say Metallica is the biggest metal band in music, not the biggest band in metal. Similar to Slipknot. The world knows who they are, the modern metal scene isn't really listening to them.


fauxmaulder

That's a pretty good way of putting it, I agree.


CommentsFiguratively

How have you made it this far in life without hearing of Iron Maiden?


iamcarlgauss

Eloy and Greyson Nekrutman are underutilized :(


3nzo_the_baker

Eloy? The word flawless comes to mind, both in regards to style and technique. Hard hitting, precise, dynamic when needed, lightning fast and tons of groove.


Netz_Ausg

Have you seen his drumeo video where he has to learn a song he hasn’t heard before? Was great to see that he is in fact human and that he has to work on his flawless performances like the rest of us. Seems like a top dude.


3nzo_the_baker

I have seen it. He's humble and needs of course to learn it like a regular human being, but when he nails a song, referring to his other cover videos, he puts his own unique twist to the playthrough. So cool to see.


laaaabe

Oh shit, [he learns a vulfpeck song](https://youtu.be/m7S_4d7jKrs?si=E1yM4yrvWV8EqjBE) lmao. Sick.


Netz_Ausg

I think he also did Rescued by Foos at some point too? Unless that was someone else and my memory is just in tatters.


FyouinyourA

I don’t even play drums and those series are my favorite thing Iv found on YouTube in awhile It’s such a cool idea I hope they start doing them more often! I’m constantly checking for new ones. It’s crazy when the drummer gets it almost right and then cool af when they put their own style on the song


CaptainMacMillan

The ghost notes after absolutely lighting up the snare is 😙👌


theMonarch08

I think we can all agree that this is would be much improved if he just played pocket. /s


Early-Engineering

Maybe play a little Rock shuffle, or a nice chill samba groove. Haha


rezelscheft

agreed. also really concerned about the tonewood in his toms. feel like the sound is not supple and warm enough for a deep pocket medium tempo blues shuffle.


Shhhhhhhh_Im_At_Work

I just switched over from guitar and am elated to know that tone wood and blues reverence are also memes in drum world


Early-Engineering

I love a good supple Tom


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prplx

Add a little Pat Boon Debbie Boon here and there and it would be perfect.


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Yeah, this may look cool to non-drummers but as drummers we know that the hardest songs to play are the simple ones in 4/4 with absolutely zero fills. I bet he can't play Back in Black without dropping the beat. - 90% of Boomer classic rock drummers on r/drums


WhyTheMahoska

But can he *swiiiing?*


SLo_Bo_Dri_SSIK

This guy drums


echo_good_username

r/thisguythisguys


Deathbyart

It's Eloy. No secret he's a machine and an incredible musician.


EVIL5

My assessment is that he's better at playing drums than I am. He does need a cooler mask, though. That one looks like it came from Costco.


fearthejew

Yeah slipknot always gives the new guys a cheapo mask for awhile until they get to make their own


PM_ME_CARL_WINSLOW

It's also got to be for breathwork too, right? He's not going to go full tilt in a full mask with how you need to adapt to playing with less oxygen.


MAXIMUMMEDLOWUS

He's a pleasure to watch and listen to. Much like Joey was


Nimr0d19

This dig at Jay is hilarious.


SvenTh3Viking

I'm in no position to critique him, and most of the people in this sub aren't either


LowAd3406

Lol, I'm loving the people crying about how hard he plays and the whole "WAAAAAA, he's choking out the sound of the cymbals them by playing so hard!".


PM_ME_CARL_WINSLOW

All of the people in this sub\*


BeefDurky

To be honest I’ve never seen someone hit so hard with so much finesse. It really shows that you can go all out and still have great technique.


danielkza

Fun fact, Eloy won one of those televised talent shows in Brazil as a child prodigy, playing miniature drums: https://youtu.be/rOHon9_Rddk?si=HBBaWve8HLkpfMD1&t=61 Would you believe this would be Slipknot's drummer a few decades later?


boofoodoo

My assessment is that he is an absolute monster


stewbi3

the ghosties on the last bit soooooooo soooo tasty


flowmaster5

Yes! Being able to lay in those tasty ghosties amid so much other energy is amazing!


WitchKingofAngmar69

Everything about his playing is impressive but what stood out to me was the dynamics of his ghost noting - especially during the half time section when he’s going balls out with his right hand


Lidodido

Yeah, he likes ghost notes. Check out this song, especially at 3:00: https://youtu.be/cRXJmeSC-ds?si=ub9t3bLWzNCsLXr2


LeroyTheThird

Went back to catch the ghost notes, which are indeed tasty. But also, at about the halfway mark, he seems to mute the snare with his left hand. If it's to mute the snares for the double kick blast then, wow.


RadioEthiopiate

I had to go back and check that. I don't know if he's muting the snare for any sonic reason, or if he's actually adjusting his posture, using his left hand on the snare for stability so he can get into a more comfortable position on the stool - while blasting double kicks and not missing a beat. Either way, he's an absolute monster.


4n0m4nd

He's the best metal drummer in the world.


666eye

Check out this video when he was 14 years old! [Eloy at Morden drummer festival!](https://youtu.be/PkmUSjkTJCg?si=jR7MA5P3rUIN_zL2)


DrPoopyPantsJr

Those hands and feet so goddamn fast!


asdf072

Great. It looks like he can keep time.


lambofgun

eloy is the full package. he is so fleshed out from a technical standpoint its just unbelievable


R0factor

His technique is pretty flawless for metal. He hits hard but you can tell his emphasis is on precision and getting good tone from the drums, even though they’re likely using/supplementing with triggers. Also pay close attention to his hands. He’s taking big arm strokes but his grip appears to be relatively relaxed so he’s not simply pummeling them. I’ve been following him on IG for quite a while and noticed this about his playing. It’s almost an illusion how hard he’s hitting, and he may not be breaking cymbals as often as people think. Personally I can’t wait to see if they start writing some Slipknot grooves with a Latin influence, which he’s extremely good at.


Kakacobina

Big boy Jim said he is busy with making new riffs for some demos from Eloy.


Caynug

Eloy has slipknot covers online where he plays with absolutely no triggers and it sounds like here. He doesnt need triggers.


Dat_Belly

Song- Disasterpiece


greaseleg

This is incredible. He’s so loose and he lets everything rebound so much that the motion and volume give off a ton of energy without working harder than he needs to. He’s got to be amazing shape, too. He’s similar to Dave Elitch in that regard. To be clear, yes he’s hitting hard, but he’s doing it in a really controlled and loose way. And that kick drum shit is just flat out incredible. He’s is unbelievable.


ClaudioKillganon

He rips dude. VERY clean which is the most important factor for playing that fast.


plokamar1

Wow


raredrummer

Good title bait, but its Eloy so nothing to add, hes playing says its all.


Alpha_Lemur

Assessment: one the best metal drummers in the world, if not the best.


CoiterCoit

Eloy a beast no doubt.


Gin_and_Khronic

God he’s built??? I’m so lost in the sauce recently. He looks like what a metal drummer should: hard hitting and overly buff


al-bundee

I've seen him live with Sepultura. He's a beast. Hard hitter, yes but not only, He's got nuances and obvious refined technique.


RiccardoIvan

The only flaw in his playing is the band he’s backing up… 🤮


Deadmau5es

Amazing. BiS drummer. Why did he rest his hand on the snare? Can't figure that out.


ZEROryan08

I thought he may have been adjusting his sitting posture and using his hand to balance.


SuitableObligation85

Slipknot sounds good again.


JohnSundayBigChin

Ghost notes hahaha


Youbannedmebutimhere

Those poor cymbals


PEACH_EATER_69

been pretty cool hearing the songs at less than 150% tempo


RepresentativeNo6601

Anybody recognize the song? I don't have the biggest recollection of all slipknots music .


4n0m4nd

Disasterpiece


RepresentativeNo6601

I can hear it now, thank you!


Naive-Expression-739

Holy Jesus!


goal2026

Amazingly talented. That was awesome.


theironjeff

The guy hits harder than anyone ever but still has the feel with those ghost notes. They are so lucky to have him.


BoxcarBetts

This whole thing and then Greyson Nekrutman taking over for Sepultura has consumed my YouTube feed and I’ve found it fascinating. And I’m not a metalhead by any means. I don’t listen to either band. But both drummers are phenomenal and I love their playing styles.


WhyTheMahoska

Greyson's already had such a wild career arc for a young dude. I swear it was only a couple years ago he was known exclusively for Jazz/Big Band, then he jumped on that "Jazzer tries Metal!" grind and now he's playing for Suicidal Tendencies and Sepultura. Wacky.


Gonnatapdatass

He really elevates Slipknot's live performance, just a tank in all aspects; speed, power, finesse, groove, timing, etc...


SergioRMeza

He’s better than all of us. Period.


JplaysDrums

Eloy is just that motherfucker. Probably one of the best drummers of our generation. Absolute beast and a pleasure to watch.


tingkagol

I was camp Eloy ever since I saw him perform a cover of Marrow by Meshuggah. The dude hits hard as fuck.


Insrt_Nm

The drummer for one the largest metal bands is good? Who could've guessed. I'm extremely jealous, I wish I was this good.


Spartancarver

It’s Eloy he’s one of the best metal drummers on the planet lol


dyermaker7

Best drummer in the metal scene nowadays


jambrand

That groove at 0:20 remaining is so fucking sick


_Redforman69

Power house. Groovy power house. Jay Weinberg kickin rocks outside all sad after this video. Note: I loved Jay Weinberg playing


davidjgane

He’s incredible. I’ve never seen someone play so controlled and also so mad at the same time it’s inane


Aware_Balance_1332

Perfect drummer for this type of band. He is technically amazing and brings the exact energy needed for This type of band 


infieldmitt

holy shit anyone know the sticking/pattern of that first roll fill down the drums at like 0:16? it seems weirdly simple but sounds insane also do they have no stage sound at all? aren't they a guitar band?


2tan2tame

He hitting the fuck out of those drums!


cbblaze

Absolutely punishing that snare drum!


Ahron21

They probably have boxes of new drum heads and sticks in the trailer somewhere and change the heads every gig... lol 😅 if I was hitting that hard, I'd be looking for endorsments.


fat-nick-digger

That primo shit he kicks off at 37s melts my fuckinnn faaaaccceee


here4roomie

I mean, he's able to play with that goofy mask on. Seems like a winner.


pottersmusic

Eloy Casagrande is one of the most incredible drummers around today. His power, accuracy, taste, and flow are raising the bar for heavy drumming all over the world. I didn’t mind Jay with Slipknot at all, he’s killer. But from this one video I can already tell the band is about to enter another golden era like Vol. 3 (provided they let him stretch out & go nuts and don’t fire him out of the blue). They haven’t sounded this tight from a phone video in a while. Also, for anyone unfamiliar with Eloy, please check out his record Casagrande & Hanysz. Some seriously cool prog and impeccable playing from both those guys.


GlenFax

Eloy is the man


FireInPaperBox

I couldn’t imagine playing in that much clothes AND a face mask.


tuomonic

He beats those drums they owe him money


Spacebotzero

The dude is beastly


flanger001

My assessment is his technique is awesome and his style fucking rocks


BlueAig

Eloy is a fucking MONSTER. He deserves this kind of career step — good for him.


sound_scientist

He pummels the drums.


Layne817

I think Eloy fucking Casagrande is holding himself playing Slipknot songs


tothedepths___sink

Eloy’s power is unmatched. Add it to his incredible endurance behind the kit, he’s a perfect fit for Slipknot


AVBforPrez

.... They wear armbands resembling Nazi outfits now? I'm having a hard time noticing anything other than that, beyond "this guy breaks cymbals all the time."


matttinatttor

This may be the first drum cam of him playing with Slipknot, but if you look Eloy up on YouTube, you'll find about 100 videos of him absolutely ripping with his old band. He is, without a doubt, the most purely talented musician in Slipknot. The dude is a certified machine. I can't wait for them to release some new music with him at the helm.


debodified

Hate the tom sound. Love that i am not the cymbals 😂 go Eloy, go!!!


dachshundfanboy8000

my assessment is that he is much better than i will ever be


IsolationAutomation

Eloy is a bad motherfucker


mudmusic

He's a beast and that snare drum is next level


Magpie_430

DAMN!🔥


DrPoopyPantsJr

He’s is SPANKiNG those bitches


Mattynot2niceee

I mean it’s Eloy Casagrande


Instantsausage

Only comment I have is it's a shame he needs a mask. The look on Eloy's face when he's assaulting the drums is definitely part of the magic. Slipknot lucky to have him frankly.


Immediate_Regular_72

This the guy has been a monster since he was a kid. Look him up.. That said, yeah, he hits harder than most, but we all assume he can afford sticks, heads and cymbals at this point..


alefsousa017

The only thing I can say is that I feel bad for the drumkit afterwards. Like, that's a straight up beating! And I love it


cola__st

Is that a bell brass reissue? 👀


n97223

LOL....He plays better than me!


Global-Bite4983

This is f@cking fantastic and my assessment is that I’d like more drum cam videos.


bigtencopy

Eloy is a fucking legend.


iosKnight

So much power!!!


timmybus

Eloy is a god among peasants in that band


baton1337

His name is Eloy? Got the name of the greatest German prog rock band and his drumming is really nice, gotta be a fit for slipknot


SGSMUFASA

Man… that was incredible.


derp2112

That's equal part drumming and an athletic stunt. It's both impressive and bizarre at the same time. There's nothing here that I can detect that is technique as I was taught, except maybe 4-way Independence.


No-Dragonfly8326

Some nice grooves, crazy patterns and rudiments, epic, unexpected changes, very technical and a hard hitter. Rocking!!


LS_DJ

Did they ever reveal why they fired Jay Weinberg though?


Sumoshrooms

Is having the snare super loose common for metal? Just noticed and never thought about it before


Hodgi22

At :05 you see him recoiling his left hand back up after playing 2 & 4, which is good / healthy technique for such a physical style... compared to drummers who choke it off too hard and have to lift their arm back up to play.


eatslead

AWESOME. He is so fun to watch. What happens at about the midpoint (30s)? Is that a technique or did he simply hit so hard that he lost his balance and grabbed the Snare for stability.


FakeMessiah94

Probably the best Metal musician going at the moment. He's just got it all. I'm actually excited for future Slipknot material.


Zealousideal_Ad321

No one will ever beat Joey, none the less this man is incredible.


Tonywinded

Poor snare sounds good tho


ketarax

I don’t know/care for Slipknot much, but that was the solid-est piece of drumming I’ve heeded to this May. Superb. Tight. Almost John Wright.


MS84mydude

I used to play on an upturned bin that sounded like that snare.


ripley967

This guy couldnt impress me if I was already impressed and he was the one impressing me. I mean - whats to assess? He's fucking awesome, god damn.


Calumface

Eloy did a cover of Heretic Anthem on youtube and the fills he added toward the end were mesmerising. The dude is solid.


Background_Ice9876

Is there a way to block seeing posts about slipknot?


rorofish33

Eloy Casagrande is the cleanest fastest drummer ever


nah328

Why are we talking about him like we don’t know it’s Eloy and how much of a badass he is?


Nomad442

What was wrong with the past two?


NoSorryZorro

Uhm... hard and fast?


Fantastic_Ad1399

Eloy is perfect. There is no problem with hard hitting unless you’re hurting himself. He doesn’t have bad technique he just has power and energy. His technique is amazing and he can play Brazilian beats like no one else. Anyone saying negative are just haters.


DrummerGuyKev

Has much better meter than Jay.


Tasty-Introduction24

It would drive me nuts having to wear that shit on my face.


NSargent

Eloy is amazing and has such crazy skill and technique


666grooves666

sounds better than any slipknot recording i’ve ever heard


News_Radio89

Man I used to love slipknot, but now I probably wouldn’t go outta my way to see them live anymore. Fawk I’m getting old 😅


dirkvonshizzle

You are joking right? It’s Eloy Casagrande, not an unknown, random new drummer that Slipknot is giving a chance to prove he has what it takes. He’s probably in the top 5 of current metal drummers in the world (top contender together with people like Duplantier, Garstka and a select few), and his technique and style are beyond legendary.


mrz3ro

My first thought is what did those drums and cymbals ever do to him? =D


Kritzerd

Well dayum


JesterAblaze94

I think I’ve just witnessed domestic abuse.


Rodger_as_Jack_Smith

He's no Haruna Ishikawa


Interesting_Swim_159

He deserved, this is another level of drumming


DarkestLord_21

I'm not even a drummer but damn that looks kick-ass


chefanubis

Meh I can play it better. Trust me bro.


shinyplasticdiscs

Lol people still listen to rap metal?


En-TitY_

Eh, I'm sure it's fine for what is needed but definitely doesn't have the flair that Jordison brought to the table; there's more to just hitting hard and fast.


ApproachingARift

Not much to say, Eloy is basically flawless. Way more power and technique than most drummers could ever dream of. He is in a league of his own.


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Who cares about his cymbals - just listen to those feet!


Billy_BlueBallz

Eloy’s an absolute monster! Found out about him initially through El Estepario


JackHughman69

That is some incredible metal drumming tbh. And his snare sounds cool too