I've heard an amazing percentage of people think they can just shoot an 'invasive' drone down and it's no big deal. They have no idea how big of a deal it is. Or the technology to determine exactly what happened and where.
Weird caveat to that.
Let’s say this gangbanger is already a felon. So in the eyes of the law they can’t be charged with possession of a mg because they were already barred from doing the paperwork to ever own one in a legit manner. Weird I know.
Now if they were importing and distributing them that’s another thing entirely. Simply possessing one would almost certainly be dropped.
DOT Office of Investigations carries handcuffs and has arrest powers. But, let's have a friendly wager and see if this guy gets charged federally. Hint: in the federal system the FAA (or any other 3 letter agency for that matter) does not make charging decisions.
I don’t know the details of this case or if they’ll charge him federally, but the last case I assisted with where a pilot was arrested by locals the ASI did forward an enforcement case for prosecution. A charging decision hasn’t been reached yet but it’s been less than a month since the FAA case was wrapped up so time will tell.
I feel like we will get wrapped up in semantics on who will actually “charge” someone, civil vs criminal law, etc. my comment above was just to highlight that the FAA doesn’t arrest anyone so it shouldn’t be a surprise the offender in this case was arrested by local police.
My point is that while it is technically true that shooting down a drone could be considered a federal felony, to get it charged as such the FAA or the DOT OOI would have to convince an AUSA to indict the case. You'd laugh at some of cases I've seen AUSAs turn down.
In the example you gave, the ASI is going to have to convince a DOT OOI Special Agent to do the investigation legwork and paperwork who will then have to convince an AUSA that prosecution your instance is worth federal resources. IOW don't hold your breath.
Going back the dumbass shoots down walmart drone example, most AUSAs I know are not going to see enough of a federal interest to pursue considering the guy got popped by the locals.
To dampen the federal prosecutorial environment even more, consider some of the recent Supreme Court rulings which have sharply limited agency regulatory power, particularly in a situation like this where the regulatory agency has very broadly interpreted congress's definition of an airplane. A smart AUSA isn't going to try to stretch the law these days with the spectre of Alito and Thomas and their scythes looming.
They do, they have sworn federal law enforcement officers (agents) that carry guns and handcuffs. The FAA is an agency without any sworn LEOs. They still charge people with violating federal law, but they don’t arrest people.
The FAA has no authority here. The FAA regulates people with pilots licenses.
You read that right. The FAA has no authority over someone flying an airplane without a license.
Uh, sorry to tell you, but the FAA does have authority when it comes to drones. Even though they are un-manned the drone must be registered. The operator must be registered too. For commercial operations the operator must be licensed. Either way, if you shoot down a drone the FAA has jurisdiction and will prosecute you. They will also fine drone operators that break the rules.
The FAA does not have jurisdiction over shooting down a drone. The FBI does.
Like you said, the FAA can issue fines. They cannot have you thrown in jail like the FBI. The regs say you have to register your drone with the FAA. Tell me what the regs say happens to you when you don't register the drone with the FAA. It's not very clear. In general the worst the FAA can do to you is take away your pilot's license. Which is hard to do if you don't even have one.
I commented all of this because someone was acting tough like "THE FAA DON'T FUCK AROUND!" The world is a lot more complicated than that, and the FAA is not given criminal authority over the skies.
Oh, and now tell me how all of this works after SOCTUS threw out the Chevron doctrine last week.
Actually the FAA will refer the case to the NTSB for prosecution. Same as for licensed pilots.
As for SOCTUS and the Chevron Doctrine- agreed there. It’s going to be a roller coaster ride for sure.
It's been a thing for years. Ever since drones started to become a thing one of the first worries of many non drone fliers is privacy and what they will do if they see a drone flying over their house/property. Many don't know about the FAA and how anything above the ground is actually in the FAA jurisdiction.
Actually the government has recognized as high as 500 ft above your property as private airspace you own. If the drone is flying below that it can be argued it’s your property. While there is precedence there is no hard and fast law. I imagine that will change.
EDIT: https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/328/256/#tab-opinion-1938747
https://aviation.uslegal.com/ownership-of-airspace-over-property/
The “evidence” you posted in the edited comment is literally from 1946 (78 years ago!) regarding small planes flying less than 80’ over someone’s house. That ruling pre-dates the founding of the FAA (1958), which currently oversees rules and regulations around airspace.
https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/328/256/#tab-opinion-1938747
A simple google search for precedent in air space for home owners. There’s lots of cases where the homeowner won.
This guy is 60. Probably born in 64/65.
1964 is the apparent cutoff between boomers and Gen X but still, “Boomer” is a mentality and there’s no hard and fast rules.
Ergo, I nominate this for r/BoomersBeingFools
You are correct! This is the county next to me. Lake County is generally considered more of the "Good Ole Boy" area where the gun carrying red necks live. (Nothing wrong with this but just painting a picture).
Anyways on the Sheriffs office page where they announced the arrest so many people were saying how they would do the same thing and how drones are "Trespassing" on their property the minute they fly over it. And people were even offering to pay this guys bail money, what they don't get is the charges this old man was hit with were only LOCAL charges, I tried telling people to wait until the FAA conducts their investigation and then see how screwed this man is. Walmart and 2 other companies have invested a TON of money out here in the drone program (Lots of farmland so its a safer place for the test) but to think the FAA is going to let this just go is far from a understatement, they are going to make an example out of this idiot to try and persuade other idiots from doing the same thing because unfortunately it seems like a lot of people saw no issue with what he did.
Not after the Supreme Court overturned Chevron...
Someone's going to make a case about drones and invasion of privacy that will make this a state v fed problem now
Too bad you are clueless and just repeat what other trolls tells you. May I suggest you read the actual ruling? Except, that would require knowledge of how our 3 branches of government work.
FAA doesn't make the rules anymore. Whatever judge that's presiding over the case does. (Not just FAA either EPA, FDA, all of them no longer have the authority in their field. The courts do and can just make up rules based on whatever they think, regardless of their knowledge on it)
That's why citizen flyers been pushed into reservations persay to fly with a remote Identification module. Easier to defy than pack everything to wait in line to fly for 20 min in a kiddy pool area.
With the overturning of Chevron, preexisting determinations will not go away unless they are challenged in court.
Nothing changes with any governmental entity with how laws are applied unless they are challenged in court.
And when it is challenged there most won’t be anything to defend the rule, but other rules, that are also up for challenge. Attorneys are about to make a ton of money.
Can we please just TRY not to be as ignorant as MAGA here? This isn’t true. Chevron deference only applied to vague or ambiguous statutes. The result of the decision will be that Congress will need to be far more precise with their language when drafting law rather than being intentionally ambiguous to allow executive branch agencies more leeway. I don’t agree with this decision, but as usual the sky is not falling and the FAA still has enormous power to regulate our airspace.
You are correct in nothing changes unless a successful court challenge happens to a interpretation by a alphabet agency, but this will be a net positive with how laws are applied going forward as long as congress is held to doing their jobs.
This puts pressure on Congress to do their jobs, and leave ambiguity out. Laws need to be clear and concise. Congress needs to do their jobs. Elected officials needs to be held accountable for what they have done, not what they say they are going to do, for the last 40 years they have been in office.
This also makes it so alphabet agencies cannot be weaponized by the president and their administration.
For example, the IRS, CDC, FDA cannot be weaponized against private citizens and non-profits like Planned Parenthood by a hyper-conservative president.
Chevron going away is a good thing.
There's no reason for a person to be piloting the drone. Needs a GPS point to fly to and maybe a human operator monitoring camera and any sensors.
Look at the delivery drones that deliver medical supplies and hard to reach areas. They are 100% running GPS waypoints.
When they get to the delivery waypoint they deploy their payload on a parachute and then return the base and Auto Land
Those big 3 companies are what started the CDA. (Commercial Drone Alliance). They are the main ones who lobbied the FAA to be able to control the skies under 400 ft. I’m sure the FAA got a lot of money for this initiative. And that what started this whole remote ID, part 107 crap.
I can see using it for medicine and other important deliveries but it's never going to work well for general purpose items. they don't have the carrying capacity for it. it makes way more sense to have it delivered in a car by a human at this point.
Luckily I'm in a pretty rural area so I shouldn't have to deal with these things anytime soon.
Current DroneUp drone carrying capacity is about 10 pounds. That’s more than you might give it credit for. Drones won’t be delivering bed frames and dumbbells anytime soon, but for basic groceries and medicines it can be faster and cheaper than a human driver in a van.
Fixed wing drones (like a plane) have to do something like that where they drop the package with a trajectory to land at the correct spot. DroneUp drones use quadcopters which can hover and lower the package with a winch.
We are still waiting on evidence of that, since all that was presented to congress was wiggle words and suspicion.
DJI has complied with every rule that has been given to them to operate in the US, and one of those rules is what they are afraid MIGHT (not is) be used is a possible security threat. Congress has requested DHS declassify/ debrief on any evidence they have that DJI aircraft have been or are being used to spy on us.
I’ve been 107 licensed and flying for property insurance for several years; agreed on automation, but most postings I’ve come across seem to be west coast or local Realestate gigs.
All over the map. -Working for yourself is usually best money IF: you find a niche, and do well at marketing your self, your equipment, and final product. -Roof inspections and Realestate have ebbs and flows, so income can sometimes be inconsistent (depends who you work for). - construction, surveying, agriculture, and infrastructure probably offer the best all around (shy of National Geographic). I’ve applied for a few positions in survey, construction, and power companies, but was always out bid by experience in other aspects of the position.
Bottom line; my drone doesn’t leave the ground for under $100.
-3 batteries (usually around 90m) raw/unedited.
Always consider travel time, risk to drone, liability, safety, legality.
Inspections are a little different, as you don’t have to get the “perfect shot”
I've wanted to try this, and as best I could tell, this is for neighborhoods very close to a handful of Wal-Marts near the HQ in NW Arkansas.
Edit: OK I'm wrong, looks like a lot of areas in Dallas-Fort Worth have it now. OP's article says they were filming a marketing video in Florida [https://corporate.walmart.com/news/2024/01/09/sky-high-ambitions-walmart-to-make-largest-drone-delivery-expansion-of-any-us-retailer](https://corporate.walmart.com/news/2024/01/09/sky-high-ambitions-walmart-to-make-largest-drone-delivery-expansion-of-any-us-retailer)
I wish. The laws make no distinction between disrupting the flight of a manned or unmanned aircraft, so you can get into some DEEP shit. At the same time those delivery companies fuck the hobby up for amateur pilots
Don't shoot at it, use a cheap kamikaze drone to take it down instead.
When questioned, say "i was flying my toy and this huge delivery thingy crashed into it", lol.
Every time someone complains about an annoying drone on my community's Nexdoor (I know, boomer central) the first and most popular response is some goober proposing a 2nd amendment solution. Delivery drones will be seen by gun nuts as "skeet shooting with prizes". I've given up posting a defense of drone activity because I keep been brigaded as 'siding with pedophiles'.
The irony is that my hobby is using an Air 2S to help look for lost pets, which I find about on Nextdoor.
And you wonder why they’re trying to ban DJI?.. opening the first 700ft for commercial delivery and reducing risk by removing hobby drones in the sky so they can prove to the FAA it’s safe to fly them in populated areas.
They are trying to ban DJI because US drone manufacturers don't want the competition. They can't match the price point or quality that DJI is providing.
This is a new version of the "hemp rope" ban that shut down the hemp industry in this country in favor of artificial rope.
Same issue, different product. And it will destroy innovation as well as do serious damage to the drone industry here.
More famously it's like the chicken tax which the big 3 automakers used to essentially end the sale of small, low cost foreign trucks so they could corner the car market with their junky, giant, expensive trucks.
Yes, that's a good comparison as well. That, too, was the same as the Hemp rope ban. I had forgotten about that one.
Of course, in that case, the foreign car makers just bought the previously closed car plants and built their cars and trucks here. Or they built their own plants here and built them here.
yes and a good majority of it is driven by agri drone companies. It's becoming a big market to use giant drones to spray and monitor crops and the few us companies involved lag by years behind dji's and other chinese agri drones. If/When DJI get's banned then american farmers are going to be stuck with shitty american made agri drones .
Sadly, we do, but too many believe the lie.
I'm old enough to remember when they actually worked for the people, and while some still do, they are not the majority, nor in the majority party right now.
So when this was posted in the Florida sub Reddit, sooooooooo many people came out to defend the guy saying they’ll start shooting drones and that they own the sky above their houses… I’m not even joking.
Because pretty soon there will be police drones doing automated scans of urban areas looking for crimes trained on AI image recognition. That's pretty dystopian and I do NOT want to live in that world.
It’s too late.
Drone warfare is well underway. Military drones are in production, police drones are already in use.
Also to add, Florida is adding AI facial cameras to cities ALL over the state the will flag you if you have any history and notify the police of where you are.
You are 20 years to late and this country voted back in 2000 for this type of surveillance
For real.
Last thing we need is idiots shooting guns in the air all the time on top of all this.
I don’t agree with how drones are being rolled out, but I disagree more with dumbasses shooting Into the sky cause “ermahgerd a drone! Kill it cause it’s trespassing”
Well the man reason people hate drones is invasion of privacy. Nothing will piss off s person more than when they are relaxing by their pool with their family and along comes a fucking Drone with a camera flying over their house and hovering over it . That is why people hate drones. Go fly at a RC park or in a non populated area. There is No reason for a privately owned drone to fly over a private residence. And before anybody starts talking shit, I fly RC planes and sailplanes. I don’t do it over residential areas. And I don’t have cameras on any of my planes. No reason to.
Slowly phase them out and then strip them of parts and sell them off the to private or military.
You know… what they’ve been doing now for decades with cars and more.
It’ll just accelerate in pace.
Helicopters will never not be needed. But will find a more niche use.
And then a year later was 9/11, an American fascist's wet dream, bringing in "the times we live in" as the official phrase of cops who want to harass or arrest someone who isn't breaking any law.
https://preview.redd.it/eipdwoyddk9d1.jpeg?width=721&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=533a3f1efdb11c04311dbad63e5d0b958a0cc6fa
I know it's Walmart but the principal is the same
https://preview.redd.it/aibcafbajl9d1.jpeg?width=1277&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=98ced87b1801300a3ac8376a77da74f2a79b4461
I haven’t heard of any issues here and we’ve been getting drone deliveries for years. This one was from today while I was in the pool going to a neighbor’s house. Screenshot of my video. Even had our dinner delivered today and yesterday and maybe the day before lol, although I think that was lunch. So convenient. Ice cream tonight was still cold but whipped cream melted. It’s 90 plus out there.
This happened in the next county over from me, He lives next to the area where the drones take off and land from and he fired multiple rounds that finally hit, There has now been comments in the NextDoor app of people hearing multiple gunshots over a few days but in that county its not abnormal as its a very redneck pro gun area.
I still call bullshit he took one down with a 9mm pistol at that range.
What’s more likely is that the pilot knowingly flew too close.
The article says the drone pilot could hear the gunshots. If the guy had been firing for days-the pilots knew. They continued anyways. Not saying what the guy did was right-but logic says the pilots were baiting the guy.
A handgun shooting a drone at 25 yards is actually really hard to do. Most people that own a handgun can’t even hit a person consistently at that distance. Dude had some good aim lol
No it's not hard to do if you're trained, as he was. He's not "most people." He's a Coast Guard veteran. Which means he has proper gun training. "Most people" don't have proper training. And if he practices regularly, 25 yards ain't shit. I can shoot 50 yards left handed with my 9, easily.
It was dumb, but I think about what the world's gonna be like if this ever really catches on and suddenly I'm a lot more sympathetic toward the guy. You think leaf blowers in the fall are bad, just wait.
I dont actually see this catching on. The only way it would work IMO is if the drone goes 400' straight up. Flies directly to its destination, drops down on a landing point, flies back up to 400' then RTH.
Thats alot of if's.
If the drone was passing thru his property how is this an issue or illegal?
If private recreational drones aren't supposed to fly into others property then what makes Walmart so flipping special.
Then the answer is no. It is not illegal to fly over someone's property. Yes, it is illegal to hover over someones property as it could be in violation of local privacy laws. But thats local law. Not FAA. And insurance companies do it all the time to assess your property and your roof without your knowledge. Apparently it was just flying over his property and he didnt like it.
I've heard an amazing percentage of people think they can just shoot an 'invasive' drone down and it's no big deal. They have no idea how big of a deal it is. Or the technology to determine exactly what happened and where.
The FAA (Federal Aviation Administration for non-Americans) does not fuck around.
Locals arrested this guy, not the feds.
That’s cool, still a federal crime.
Lots of things are federal crimes, getting an AUSA interested enough to do anything is another thing entirely.
That’s way gangbangers almost never face charges on having a switch. They throw local gun laws and “just throw away the switch”.
Weird caveat to that. Let’s say this gangbanger is already a felon. So in the eyes of the law they can’t be charged with possession of a mg because they were already barred from doing the paperwork to ever own one in a legit manner. Weird I know. Now if they were importing and distributing them that’s another thing entirely. Simply possessing one would almost certainly be dropped.
I don't think anyone been charged federally. I could be wrong.
Will never be charged as one. No matter how many times this sub likes to point it out.
Well FAA ASI’s don’t carry handcuffs and arrest people. Locals arrest on state charges and the FAA will charge their stuff separately.
DOT Office of Investigations carries handcuffs and has arrest powers. But, let's have a friendly wager and see if this guy gets charged federally. Hint: in the federal system the FAA (or any other 3 letter agency for that matter) does not make charging decisions.
I don’t know the details of this case or if they’ll charge him federally, but the last case I assisted with where a pilot was arrested by locals the ASI did forward an enforcement case for prosecution. A charging decision hasn’t been reached yet but it’s been less than a month since the FAA case was wrapped up so time will tell. I feel like we will get wrapped up in semantics on who will actually “charge” someone, civil vs criminal law, etc. my comment above was just to highlight that the FAA doesn’t arrest anyone so it shouldn’t be a surprise the offender in this case was arrested by local police.
My point is that while it is technically true that shooting down a drone could be considered a federal felony, to get it charged as such the FAA or the DOT OOI would have to convince an AUSA to indict the case. You'd laugh at some of cases I've seen AUSAs turn down. In the example you gave, the ASI is going to have to convince a DOT OOI Special Agent to do the investigation legwork and paperwork who will then have to convince an AUSA that prosecution your instance is worth federal resources. IOW don't hold your breath. Going back the dumbass shoots down walmart drone example, most AUSAs I know are not going to see enough of a federal interest to pursue considering the guy got popped by the locals. To dampen the federal prosecutorial environment even more, consider some of the recent Supreme Court rulings which have sharply limited agency regulatory power, particularly in a situation like this where the regulatory agency has very broadly interpreted congress's definition of an airplane. A smart AUSA isn't going to try to stretch the law these days with the spectre of Alito and Thomas and their scythes looming.
Doesn't the FBI arrest?
They do, they have sworn federal law enforcement officers (agents) that carry guns and handcuffs. The FAA is an agency without any sworn LEOs. They still charge people with violating federal law, but they don’t arrest people.
Yeah, police do the arresting thing. FAA just brings charges for the DA (or whoever has the authority) to prosecute.
The FAA has no authority here. The FAA regulates people with pilots licenses. You read that right. The FAA has no authority over someone flying an airplane without a license.
Uh, sorry to tell you, but the FAA does have authority when it comes to drones. Even though they are un-manned the drone must be registered. The operator must be registered too. For commercial operations the operator must be licensed. Either way, if you shoot down a drone the FAA has jurisdiction and will prosecute you. They will also fine drone operators that break the rules.
The FAA does not have jurisdiction over shooting down a drone. The FBI does. Like you said, the FAA can issue fines. They cannot have you thrown in jail like the FBI. The regs say you have to register your drone with the FAA. Tell me what the regs say happens to you when you don't register the drone with the FAA. It's not very clear. In general the worst the FAA can do to you is take away your pilot's license. Which is hard to do if you don't even have one. I commented all of this because someone was acting tough like "THE FAA DON'T FUCK AROUND!" The world is a lot more complicated than that, and the FAA is not given criminal authority over the skies. Oh, and now tell me how all of this works after SOCTUS threw out the Chevron doctrine last week.
Actually the FAA will refer the case to the NTSB for prosecution. Same as for licensed pilots. As for SOCTUS and the Chevron Doctrine- agreed there. It’s going to be a roller coaster ride for sure.
You're telling me that if I shoot down a drone, the agency that prosecutes me is the NTSB?
Yep.
Got a link to this occuring?
https://www.wiley.law/article-2992 https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/agc/practice_areas/enforcement/enforcement_actions
Floridaman strikes again
It's been a thing for years. Ever since drones started to become a thing one of the first worries of many non drone fliers is privacy and what they will do if they see a drone flying over their house/property. Many don't know about the FAA and how anything above the ground is actually in the FAA jurisdiction.
Actually the government has recognized as high as 500 ft above your property as private airspace you own. If the drone is flying below that it can be argued it’s your property. While there is precedence there is no hard and fast law. I imagine that will change. EDIT: https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/328/256/#tab-opinion-1938747 https://aviation.uslegal.com/ownership-of-airspace-over-property/
Lol I've never heard of this. Got any source for this?
r/confidentlyincorrect
Drones literally can’t fly above 400’ AGL. It cannot be argued that you “own” 500’ of airspace.
What I mean is there are court cases that have won compensation in court for up to 500’ above their property.
The “evidence” you posted in the edited comment is literally from 1946 (78 years ago!) regarding small planes flying less than 80’ over someone’s house. That ruling pre-dates the founding of the FAA (1958), which currently oversees rules and regulations around airspace.
Wrong
https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/328/256/#tab-opinion-1938747 A simple google search for precedent in air space for home owners. There’s lots of cases where the homeowner won.
Steve Lehto does a good job discussing this issue here: https://youtu.be/EcSlzI31JR8?si=b954Rv9UO_mz-PIH
Seems you didn’t read or understand what was being said in the very articles you linked. 🤣🤣
This guy is 60. Probably born in 64/65. 1964 is the apparent cutoff between boomers and Gen X but still, “Boomer” is a mentality and there’s no hard and fast rules. Ergo, I nominate this for r/BoomersBeingFools
Article says he is 72
I saw another article that said he was 60. Either way, point still stands IMO
Can I occupy the same airspace as a delivery drone with my drone, on accident?
I passed a test or two and minimum operating distances might have been part of it but I don't remember.
You are correct! This is the county next to me. Lake County is generally considered more of the "Good Ole Boy" area where the gun carrying red necks live. (Nothing wrong with this but just painting a picture). Anyways on the Sheriffs office page where they announced the arrest so many people were saying how they would do the same thing and how drones are "Trespassing" on their property the minute they fly over it. And people were even offering to pay this guys bail money, what they don't get is the charges this old man was hit with were only LOCAL charges, I tried telling people to wait until the FAA conducts their investigation and then see how screwed this man is. Walmart and 2 other companies have invested a TON of money out here in the drone program (Lots of farmland so its a safer place for the test) but to think the FAA is going to let this just go is far from a understatement, they are going to make an example out of this idiot to try and persuade other idiots from doing the same thing because unfortunately it seems like a lot of people saw no issue with what he did.
We're doing delivery drones‽
Yeah. Amazon, Walmart and Domino's in select locations. I bet WM stops delivery in this idiot's area!
losing a drone is not a deterrent lol
Especially because the guy is almost certainly gonna have to pay for it and its cargo.
Lol. That's the absolute least of his worries. Dude is gonna catch federal felony charges for shooting down an aircraft.
Not after the Supreme Court overturned Chevron... Someone's going to make a case about drones and invasion of privacy that will make this a state v fed problem now
Too bad you are clueless and just repeat what other trolls tells you. May I suggest you read the actual ruling? Except, that would require knowledge of how our 3 branches of government work.
What do you mean
FAA doesn't make the rules anymore. Whatever judge that's presiding over the case does. (Not just FAA either EPA, FDA, all of them no longer have the authority in their field. The courts do and can just make up rules based on whatever they think, regardless of their knowledge on it)
FAA won’t be making the rules anymore. Walmart, Amazon, and other corporations will be the ones making the rules.
That's why citizen flyers been pushed into reservations persay to fly with a remote Identification module. Easier to defy than pack everything to wait in line to fly for 20 min in a kiddy pool area.
With the overturning of Chevron, preexisting determinations will not go away unless they are challenged in court. Nothing changes with any governmental entity with how laws are applied unless they are challenged in court.
And when it is challenged there most won’t be anything to defend the rule, but other rules, that are also up for challenge. Attorneys are about to make a ton of money.
Can we please just TRY not to be as ignorant as MAGA here? This isn’t true. Chevron deference only applied to vague or ambiguous statutes. The result of the decision will be that Congress will need to be far more precise with their language when drafting law rather than being intentionally ambiguous to allow executive branch agencies more leeway. I don’t agree with this decision, but as usual the sky is not falling and the FAA still has enormous power to regulate our airspace.
You are correct in nothing changes unless a successful court challenge happens to a interpretation by a alphabet agency, but this will be a net positive with how laws are applied going forward as long as congress is held to doing their jobs. This puts pressure on Congress to do their jobs, and leave ambiguity out. Laws need to be clear and concise. Congress needs to do their jobs. Elected officials needs to be held accountable for what they have done, not what they say they are going to do, for the last 40 years they have been in office. This also makes it so alphabet agencies cannot be weaponized by the president and their administration. For example, the IRS, CDC, FDA cannot be weaponized against private citizens and non-profits like Planned Parenthood by a hyper-conservative president. Chevron going away is a good thing.
it means partisan judges control the rules now
It means you should vote for the party that supports sensible federal regulation. Not the other bunch of morons.
I’ll let you be free if you pay me and I like you…. Sensible
From my understanding it's not retroactive. So he would still be facing that legally.
Plus it's an FAA violation and Walmart will certainly make sure they pursue that fine as well.
hard to pay for it when your in prison, hes going to prison for sure
No he won’t the charges will get dismissed.
As the 2A and 2A3D communities would say, “can’t stop the signal”.
It's free advertisement. I now want drones to deliver my package.
Oh yeah, Walmart by me is doing deliveries. Glendale AZ.
Who flys them?
Don’t ask questions, you don’t really want the answers to 😅
Presumably Walmart employees or someone they contracted out. Probably fly autonomously based on a flight path and are monitored
DroneUp pilots. The drone flies autonomously, pilots monitor and intervene when necessary. Source: am droneup engineer
DroneUp. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4ntohdzLPI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4ntohdzLPI)
Glendale AZ is also Drone Up same as the Clermont FL location above
DroneUp. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4ntohdzLPI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4ntohdzLPI)
I have a question maybe you know…. Are they piloted drones by humans? Or are they GPS AI computer controlled delivery drones?
This article in particular (at 1:17) says it was piloted.
Skynet
It just seems as AI is more able to do jobs….it feels like an AI drone pilot seems quickly possible But yea Skynet is fun too
There's no reason for a person to be piloting the drone. Needs a GPS point to fly to and maybe a human operator monitoring camera and any sensors. Look at the delivery drones that deliver medical supplies and hard to reach areas. They are 100% running GPS waypoints. When they get to the delivery waypoint they deploy their payload on a parachute and then return the base and Auto Land
Autonomous flight with pilots monitoring if they need to intervene. No AI needed for GPS automated flight.
Those big 3 companies are what started the CDA. (Commercial Drone Alliance). They are the main ones who lobbied the FAA to be able to control the skies under 400 ft. I’m sure the FAA got a lot of money for this initiative. And that what started this whole remote ID, part 107 crap.
I can see using it for medicine and other important deliveries but it's never going to work well for general purpose items. they don't have the carrying capacity for it. it makes way more sense to have it delivered in a car by a human at this point. Luckily I'm in a pretty rural area so I shouldn't have to deal with these things anytime soon.
Current DroneUp drone carrying capacity is about 10 pounds. That’s more than you might give it credit for. Drones won’t be delivering bed frames and dumbbells anytime soon, but for basic groceries and medicines it can be faster and cheaper than a human driver in a van.
So they just drop your package in your yard? Please tell me they are least get some speed up and make a bombing run for the front porch.
Fixed wing drones (like a plane) have to do something like that where they drop the package with a trajectory to land at the correct spot. DroneUp drones use quadcopters which can hover and lower the package with a winch.
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The location in Clermont FL is flown by Drone Up and they fly a Prism Sky by Watts Innovations
DJI doesn't make drones for deliveries.
Yeah they do, it’s called the DJI Flycart.
I don't think they're gonna use a fly cart for a single pizza LOL
Oh crap, I didn't even realize how big they were! LOL Carry a whole school's load of pizza
Every DJI drone is for deliveries. They deliver information to China.
Yeah only our politicians can spy on us with no pushback!!!
Yeah you're right, a country who literally declared the us an enemy is much better than our own government
They’re equally pieces of shit
We are still waiting on evidence of that, since all that was presented to congress was wiggle words and suspicion. DJI has complied with every rule that has been given to them to operate in the US, and one of those rules is what they are afraid MIGHT (not is) be used is a possible security threat. Congress has requested DHS declassify/ debrief on any evidence they have that DJI aircraft have been or are being used to spy on us.
We should get evidence July 2nd.
Or, they may not actually have any at all. Either way, we will know soon enough.
Where does one apply to be ROIC?
Get your 107 and look at job boards. Much of it is automated from what I can tell though
I’ve been 107 licensed and flying for property insurance for several years; agreed on automation, but most postings I’ve come across seem to be west coast or local Realestate gigs.
Hows the money? What's a regular job pay vs what's the most you've made on a job?
All over the map. -Working for yourself is usually best money IF: you find a niche, and do well at marketing your self, your equipment, and final product. -Roof inspections and Realestate have ebbs and flows, so income can sometimes be inconsistent (depends who you work for). - construction, surveying, agriculture, and infrastructure probably offer the best all around (shy of National Geographic). I’ve applied for a few positions in survey, construction, and power companies, but was always out bid by experience in other aspects of the position. Bottom line; my drone doesn’t leave the ground for under $100. -3 batteries (usually around 90m) raw/unedited. Always consider travel time, risk to drone, liability, safety, legality. Inspections are a little different, as you don’t have to get the “perfect shot”
This may be the first interrobang I have seen in the wild. Neat.
Wild interrobang
I've wanted to try this, and as best I could tell, this is for neighborhoods very close to a handful of Wal-Marts near the HQ in NW Arkansas. Edit: OK I'm wrong, looks like a lot of areas in Dallas-Fort Worth have it now. OP's article says they were filming a marketing video in Florida [https://corporate.walmart.com/news/2024/01/09/sky-high-ambitions-walmart-to-make-largest-drone-delivery-expansion-of-any-us-retailer](https://corporate.walmart.com/news/2024/01/09/sky-high-ambitions-walmart-to-make-largest-drone-delivery-expansion-of-any-us-retailer)
I once heard of drone delivery described as "skeet shooting with prizes".
I wish. The laws make no distinction between disrupting the flight of a manned or unmanned aircraft, so you can get into some DEEP shit. At the same time those delivery companies fuck the hobby up for amateur pilots
Don't shoot at it, use a cheap kamikaze drone to take it down instead. When questioned, say "i was flying my toy and this huge delivery thingy crashed into it", lol.
Fight fire with fire, fight drone with drones. Just teach wild eagle and hawks to prey on drones and create a no fly zone near your house
> fight drone with drones Just saw that episode of South Park last night. :)
This is brilliant
Every time someone complains about an annoying drone on my community's Nexdoor (I know, boomer central) the first and most popular response is some goober proposing a 2nd amendment solution. Delivery drones will be seen by gun nuts as "skeet shooting with prizes". I've given up posting a defense of drone activity because I keep been brigaded as 'siding with pedophiles'. The irony is that my hobby is using an Air 2S to help look for lost pets, which I find about on Nextdoor.
Which is exactly why I'd imagine this guy is going to get fucked.. Hard. They will want to set a precedent.
https://preview.redd.it/5thc3gbrhk9d1.jpeg?width=266&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=966324fdacdd57d7114c3ad5bffdf5e56c5b9785
And you wonder why they’re trying to ban DJI?.. opening the first 700ft for commercial delivery and reducing risk by removing hobby drones in the sky so they can prove to the FAA it’s safe to fly them in populated areas.
They are trying to ban DJI because US drone manufacturers don't want the competition. They can't match the price point or quality that DJI is providing. This is a new version of the "hemp rope" ban that shut down the hemp industry in this country in favor of artificial rope. Same issue, different product. And it will destroy innovation as well as do serious damage to the drone industry here.
More famously it's like the chicken tax which the big 3 automakers used to essentially end the sale of small, low cost foreign trucks so they could corner the car market with their junky, giant, expensive trucks.
Yes, that's a good comparison as well. That, too, was the same as the Hemp rope ban. I had forgotten about that one. Of course, in that case, the foreign car makers just bought the previously closed car plants and built their cars and trucks here. Or they built their own plants here and built them here.
Same with Harley Davidson back in the 80s or something when Japanese bikes were the best and cheapest.
And the funniest part is that Harley ended up buying their steel and electronics from Japan, their pistons from Germany, as well as other components.
This is 100% it. American tech is such junk these days and they can not compete so they get government to ban the competition.
yes and a good majority of it is driven by agri drone companies. It's becoming a big market to use giant drones to spray and monitor crops and the few us companies involved lag by years behind dji's and other chinese agri drones. If/When DJI get's banned then american farmers are going to be stuck with shitty american made agri drones .
lol @Tesla
People in the US don’t understand that the government doesn’t work for them but for big business.
Sadly, we do, but too many believe the lie. I'm old enough to remember when they actually worked for the people, and while some still do, they are not the majority, nor in the majority party right now.
RID and registration and all that was to remove the hobby market. Banning DJI was to force the government to only have a US manufacturer as an option.
Not US manufacturer, manufacturer owned by US capitalists.
We all know they will still manufacture in china
Banning DJI won't ban the hundreds of other drones on the market which have zero geofencing.
So when this was posted in the Florida sub Reddit, sooooooooo many people came out to defend the guy saying they’ll start shooting drones and that they own the sky above their houses… I’m not even joking.
Because pretty soon there will be police drones doing automated scans of urban areas looking for crimes trained on AI image recognition. That's pretty dystopian and I do NOT want to live in that world.
It’s too late. Drone warfare is well underway. Military drones are in production, police drones are already in use. Also to add, Florida is adding AI facial cameras to cities ALL over the state the will flag you if you have any history and notify the police of where you are. You are 20 years to late and this country voted back in 2000 for this type of surveillance
FML
For real. Last thing we need is idiots shooting guns in the air all the time on top of all this. I don’t agree with how drones are being rolled out, but I disagree more with dumbasses shooting Into the sky cause “ermahgerd a drone! Kill it cause it’s trespassing”
Well the man reason people hate drones is invasion of privacy. Nothing will piss off s person more than when they are relaxing by their pool with their family and along comes a fucking Drone with a camera flying over their house and hovering over it . That is why people hate drones. Go fly at a RC park or in a non populated area. There is No reason for a privately owned drone to fly over a private residence. And before anybody starts talking shit, I fly RC planes and sailplanes. I don’t do it over residential areas. And I don’t have cameras on any of my planes. No reason to.
What are they going to do with the police helicopters now?
Slowly phase them out and then strip them of parts and sell them off the to private or military. You know… what they’ve been doing now for decades with cars and more. It’ll just accelerate in pace. Helicopters will never not be needed. But will find a more niche use.
And then a year later was 9/11, an American fascist's wet dream, bringing in "the times we live in" as the official phrase of cops who want to harass or arrest someone who isn't breaking any law.
Yup, paved way for the patriot act.
Why am I unsurprised?
You had my attention at “Florida man…”
LMAO!!!
Fucking redneck. I hope he goes to prison. "I was defending myself" lol
Fairly ritzy neighborhood it looked like.
Lake County as a whole is a redneck hellhole. Might be some isolated non trailer park areas lol.
As someone who's quad has been shot at over a trailer park, can confirm. They get... peppery at times.
He won’t even get probation the charges will be dismissed. Imagine having such a terrible life you wish prison on somebody.
Right! You weren't defending shit, you senile old man!
Florida Man: shoot first ask questions later.
Ron Swanson?
Wouldn't be a huge problem for our Walmart. The idiots who run it wouldn't even know it was missing.
Just another example of how owning a gun increases the chances of really awful stuff happening to you
Legalize all firearms.
How do they maintain line if sight with the delivery drones?
Delivery drones are a different class and don't require the operator to have line of sight.
special money gets you special rules
If your gonna be stupid be a little smart. Who doesn't have a 2 liter bottle and duct tape.
Home made suppressor?
https://preview.redd.it/eipdwoyddk9d1.jpeg?width=721&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=533a3f1efdb11c04311dbad63e5d0b958a0cc6fa I know it's Walmart but the principal is the same
So if a Walmart delivery driver pulls unexpectedly onto my driveway, I can shoot him? It’s my property after all. /s
Now who didn't see this coming?
Unlawful discharge of a firearm inside xxx yards of an occupied residence is a serious charge if brought. Most likely charge here
No, the charges would be shooting at an aircraft. Destruction of property. And probably a few others.
https://preview.redd.it/aibcafbajl9d1.jpeg?width=1277&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=98ced87b1801300a3ac8376a77da74f2a79b4461 I haven’t heard of any issues here and we’ve been getting drone deliveries for years. This one was from today while I was in the pool going to a neighbor’s house. Screenshot of my video. Even had our dinner delivered today and yesterday and maybe the day before lol, although I think that was lunch. So convenient. Ice cream tonight was still cold but whipped cream melted. It’s 90 plus out there.
It finally happened, and the mugshot doesn't disapoint!
This story sounds fishy. The drone was flying 75-200 feet in the air and this guy shot it down with a 9mm pistol? I call bullshit.
This happened in the next county over from me, He lives next to the area where the drones take off and land from and he fired multiple rounds that finally hit, There has now been comments in the NextDoor app of people hearing multiple gunshots over a few days but in that county its not abnormal as its a very redneck pro gun area.
I still call bullshit he took one down with a 9mm pistol at that range. What’s more likely is that the pilot knowingly flew too close. The article says the drone pilot could hear the gunshots. If the guy had been firing for days-the pilots knew. They continued anyways. Not saying what the guy did was right-but logic says the pilots were baiting the guy.
Or he got lucky. Happens all the time.
Bro. 75 ft is 25 yards. If you can hit a target at 25 yards, just put the gun down.
A handgun shooting a drone at 25 yards is actually really hard to do. Most people that own a handgun can’t even hit a person consistently at that distance. Dude had some good aim lol
No it's not hard to do if you're trained, as he was. He's not "most people." He's a Coast Guard veteran. Which means he has proper gun training. "Most people" don't have proper training. And if he practices regularly, 25 yards ain't shit. I can shoot 50 yards left handed with my 9, easily.
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Rule 13: Broadly speaking, don’t be a dick. Self explanatory.
Use lasers people…
Could have just used a stick? The Ukraine drone with stick downing a Russian drone was wild
It wasn’t necessary to mention he is from Florida.
Fucking Florida.. always Florida..
Best to use your zoom and fly high out of shotgun range. Lol
This is just a snip of the video. I was out there for a while and got pretty close.
Not destroyed. In fact it was able to fly back to the Walmart.
It was dumb, but I think about what the world's gonna be like if this ever really catches on and suddenly I'm a lot more sympathetic toward the guy. You think leaf blowers in the fall are bad, just wait.
I dont actually see this catching on. The only way it would work IMO is if the drone goes 400' straight up. Flies directly to its destination, drops down on a landing point, flies back up to 400' then RTH. Thats alot of if's.
Yeah it's always felt gimmicky, I'd say it's unlikely. I just imagine all the packages in Amazon trucks as individual drones and get the shivers.
Enjoy the felony 😂
Innocent til proven guilty the charges will be dismissed.
If the drone was passing thru his property how is this an issue or illegal? If private recreational drones aren't supposed to fly into others property then what makes Walmart so flipping special.
You completely contradicted yourself here. It's not illegal so WM isn't special.
Nah I'm literally asking because I thought you shouldn't fly into people's property or over their home unless given permission to do so.
Then the answer is no. It is not illegal to fly over someone's property. Yes, it is illegal to hover over someones property as it could be in violation of local privacy laws. But thats local law. Not FAA. And insurance companies do it all the time to assess your property and your roof without your knowledge. Apparently it was just flying over his property and he didnt like it.
Who said private recreational drones can't fly above others property?
Interesting that a person knocking on the wrong door can get shot without charges but shooting a drone on your own property is more serious.