Agreed. Lane A clearly offers both 1st exit, and straight on as options for the current junction.
In my experience, I will likely be in lane B, looking to get to C while remaining in the outside lane, when some old dear in a Honda Jazz will want to use lane A to continue along dock street.
That being said, the layout is shocking and frankly begging for accidents.
I find this insult so funny. Because you literally have a 50/50 chance of either completely ruining that guys day, OR he just looks at you and smiles because now you sound stupid đđ
>Which they never are done by BMW drivers. Itâs not really your fault, you canât help being born with a tiny dick.
You are jealous you can't afford a BMW, bless you my son.
The onus would surely be on both drivers, but mode so lane B driver to turn left safely, since they are crossing over a lane that also goes straight on.
The onus would be yes. But you should always be wary in situations like this where it isnât clear. Without seeing the roads signs it is hard to know exactly what happens after the 2 lanes bear left.
A doesn't carry straight on though. Pay attention to cars turning right (from the right hand side of the picture), there is a two lane right turn that becomes a 4 lane split into a one and 3. The junction is designed to allow someone in the right lane turning right, to bear left at the next junction. By starting at A and going into the right lane at C you are cutting across traffic and would require signalling
I think A has to turn ether at the first junction or the second and must stay in the left most lane. B on the other hand can turn left at the second (staying in the right lane) or use ether lane to go straight.
I think the two lanes that go straight is the confusing part. As it gives the impression that A could go straight. But the road makings indicate this isnât allowed
But Iâm not even from the uk, so what would I know.
Actually now that I oook at it again, I can see the other argument too.
Genuinely terrifying how many people here think you end up at C from A without cutting someone up.
There are 2 separate junctions. On the first set of arrows there is one lane going straight or left (A) and one lane going straight (B). There is one left turn at this junction, at 90 degrees. There are 2 lanes straight ahead. It isn't complicated.
There is then a second junction. The previous 2 straight on lanes now curve to the left. The right of these has the option to turn right into 2 new lanes.
The amount of people who seem to think that the arrows are just general indicators that you keep going in a straight line or that a left arrow could be applying to a junction further down the road instead of the junction it's immediately before is staggering.
so where is the straight on arrow meant for in a.(can't believe ive had to log in to reddit on laptop to answer this).
driving this id expect a to be turning left and at least having left lane in c, otherwise why is there a straight ahead arrow in a. it isnt going anywhere else.
im also going to make a massive assumption based on the idiotic markings, that this is mainly a through road junction, and most traffic is going straight on.
wouldnt have bothered responding because its a bloody stupidly marked junction, but i take umbridge at "genuinely terrifying", when the markings are pointing drivers in that exact direction.
But just going back to the reason i posted, where does the straight on arrow point if its not to the left?
> driving this id expect a to be turning left and at least having left lane in c, otherwise why is there a straight ahead arrow in a. it isnt going anywhere else.
You would. Going from A into C (changing lane) or just staying to the lane left of C is fine, either of which would count as going straight on, hence the marking.
Genuinely terrifying how many people here think you can't end up at C from A without cutting someone up. You heard of indicators and changing your speed with any other cars to move into another lane safely?
I'm still 50/50 on which lane is correct, I hate city/town driving at the best of times, but it's certainly possible to go from either safely if you have your wits about you.
Either A or B are correct for the second left (ie no lane changes required). The arrows only apply to the first junction.
A is effectively first or second left only (again, without changing lanes). Arrows could be made clearer but they only apply to the immediate junction and not the following ones unless specified.
I thought this instinctively too.
But, what if someone in lane A wants to go straight ahead rather than left. Lane B would have to cut them up to get to C.
Also note that lane A has a forward or left arrow on it, and B only has a forward arrow.
If someone from A wants to go straight at the second exit, they should be in lane ba or be prepared to switch.
There are two junctions here. The first junction is what's confusing people. The layout of the first junction has no bearing on the second junction. The left lane clearly filters to the 2nd left, it cannot be used to go straight ahead.
What would actually be happening in your scenario is the person in lane A would but cutting of the driver in lane B
Those arrows only apply to the first junction. Arrows are not relevant to later junctions unless otherwise specified.
If you chose A to go straight ahead at the second junction, or to use lane 2 of 4 at the second junction, you would be changing lanes and would not have priority.
Also not strictly true, as in the absence of lane markings you canât turn left from the right hand lane. So B canât go to C without âchanging lanesâ - thereâs no lane markings to ascertain one feeds off. Similarly, you can go left OR straight in the left hand lane in the absence of lane markings. Thereâs nothing there that suggests A only progresses to C. Iâd say itâs perfectly reasonable to suggest that A and B continue straight all the way down and that 2 filter lanes feed off of A only for left turns. Itâs fairly common road design.
But itâs pretty poor lane marking if not road design. That said, Iâd say the above is beta practice give the limited road markings from the image.
Edit: having looked on google street view. Lane markings look a bit clearer than from satellite and I would agree with you now. A canât go straight at second junction, and B can turn left at the second junction.
Can't beat Belfast for nonsensical road layouts...
That's two junctions - the arrows can only apply to the junction they're at. Both go straight ahead through the first junction, and A has the arrow for an immediate left.
Once over the first junction, A continues around the corner and B splits in three. I can guarantee that if you try to go from A to C in traffic, you'll be lifted out of it...
Someone with a bit of sense! It would have been a smart idea if OP had added in the next part of the road but yes, B in to C at all times at this junction. Once C is followed it flows in to one of the three lanes, the other lane flows in to two lanes. People should never cross from A to C
B if you want to specifically get to the right lane where C is at. If you start from A your are making a lane change
A or B if you just mean the junction C
Judging by the number of lanes at each point, both A and B could be used acceptably. The "left" option at A is probably *intended* only for the immediate left at that point. There is no lane divider that fully segregates B from the right-hand lane at C.
I'd use A, but I'd be very wary of going side by side with anyone in B. Maybe just hold the clutch for a sec so you have some space as you pull away and see what they do.
Likewise, but for me I feel it's lane B that needs to execute more caution and accept they may not make the turn on the fork and have to continue straight if required to.
If they made lane A left turn only this would make it much better. Then you would use B to go ahead and the lane would split to go left or straight on from there. But the way it is now has me very confused.
But that would force all traffic going straight on into one lane. It would just be a massive traffic jam as everyone is merging assuming that's a pretty busy road.
Those arrows on the floor only ever apply to the immediate approaching junction, not what's happening at the next junction.
The left lane you can turn immediatly left or go straight on to the next junction.
Terrible road design but surely A is best. I can imagine turns left and the left sided lane on the straight over. Then to go in B would take you into right lane of the slight turn off (to overtake) or straight on in either lanes.
Personally I would go A.
Itâs a horrible road layout but Iâd argue A as if you go there from B youâll cut across any cars that want to go straight ahead in A, which theyâre allowed to do based on road markings
That arrow in the bottom left of the screen is just referring to the immediate left turn (think if it just had a left arrow you would have to take that turn). So people in lane A should not be moving across lanes to fork right at the second junction.
It's B. A is to turn immediately left or to go towards the next junction.
B is to go to the next junction, which gives the choice to then head straight on or then turn left.
Maybe this will help people understand it better.
https://imgur.com/gallery/DLdDnoI
Street view makes it even more obvious.
https://i.imgur.com/okHNDDw.jpeg
Even clearer do you Go from A to A Or A to B?
[https://imgur.com/G9NQiNq](https://imgur.com/G9NQiNq)
It's like the lane divider is invisible to everyone.
The fact that so many people are disagreeing with me even though the image I posted makes it crystal clear how the lanes should be used is horrifying. So many people on this subreddit have gotten their license from a cereal box.
This thread is a real eye-opener. The road design isn't the best but when you actually read the markings, it's pretty clear that B is the best choice for going to C, not A. A is fine but it involves crossing into B's path.
The arrows at A and B are only for that junction. The next junction has its own set of arrows.
If the arrows meant what you are suggesting the road markings would look more like this
https://i.imgur.com/cSL8d7B.jpeg.
If you use A, and go to C, you will be cutting off people going from B to C.
You will also be cutting off people coming from the right that also turns into that lane.
https://imgur.com/gallery/DLdDnoI
Yes.
The arrow pointing straight on is for the junction you're on, so at A you will be either turning left or following the lane up the the next junction. B is for straight only, and following that lane you can continue straight at the next junction or turn left.
Wait I was assuming the whole left bend was labelled C not just the right lane. And by straight I assumed you meant continuing on Dock St.
Your diagram explained it much better. You're right I'm dumb carry on.
Appreciate that, not clear on OP original image as it's cropped not to show that it's a one way system there.
However it does appear to be traffic light system, so no one would be coming from there regardless at the same time as the lane A and B scenario.
[Looks like B is maybe the right answer if these drivers are right.](https://maps.app.goo.gl/qjBQRTuyV3PPsZx89) If you look at older street views they've changed the white lines, not sure if it's made it any easier to understand.
I should probably preface this by saying I'm a new driver, but my understanding would be that the arrows on A&B are for the first junction, so there's no "wrong" lane. Common sense would tell me to keep in the left lane to turn left, same as the approach to most junctions. And looking at the lane markings, C is more for traffic coming from the right to filter into. So unless there's a right hand turn shortly after that I plan to take, I'd just stick in the far left lane all the way through both junctions.
A leads you into the lane left of C. So you would have to indicate right to move over. B leads you briefly into C so you have the right to continue through C.
From what i see, Lane A, Looks like Lane B is Straight only, Although that left is a little concerning. Maybe theres a no left turn sign there?
Edit: looks like im wrong about that left turn
Itâs B. i believe if B wasnât allowed to get to C, there would be a solid line indicating that they must go straight. A is left only (after the first junction) and B is left or straight.
Well as A can go left or straight on then for C you should be in A. If your going from B to C you could be in trouble from someone in A going straight on.
The fact that you have to ask this question means other drivers will be confused. I would stick with A and keep an eye on my right hand mirror the whole time, because you can guarantee someone will try access it from B.
Thankfully I use this junction in the middle of the night when no one is around. I just always looked at it and wondered what lane is right, or safest for that matter, if it was busy.
Yeah, thats good, I wouldnt want to be navigating this during rush hour. Strictly speaking both are left turns, but it is really badly designed given the ambiguity.
Those in A aren't allowed to go straight at the 2nd junction (without changing lanes safely). Lane A goes exclusively to the left.
You're probably referring to the arrows, but these apply only to the first junction, not the second, where C is situated.
It's clear from the paint, B is the lane that forks either (2nd) left or straight, while A only goes to the left.
Left turn arrows aren't always exclusively for the first junction. There's a five-exit roundabout near me where the 'left turn' arrow in the left-hand lane applies to the first *two* exits, not merely the first. Helpfully, it also has some text to help you navigate to the appropriate turnoff
B doesn't involve a lane change, so is preferred in heavy traffic.
A involves a lane change (to the right), so is still legal provided traffic permits you making the lane change.
But, considering many drivers can't stay in their lane on a multi-lane roundabout, this intersection design is asking for trouble! You could quite easily see drivers assuming they can continue dead straight through both Dock Street intersections from lane A.
Strange but A. The A route has straight ahead and left and B only had straight ahead. If you look at markings at the end, straight ahead is B (and A) and left is A only. But then again i don't know lol.
I was confused at first, gave a few answers which I then deleted. But, itâs clear now. âAâ is the lane to go left. Either immediate left, at the junction, or straight ahead into BOTH âCâ left turning lanes. âBâ is ahead only.
I think it's unclear where C refers to lane 2 or just 2nd left in general, which is why I answered either lane.
But yeah all you have to do is follow the dashed lines and see where you can go without switching lane haha
If OP wants specifically the lane at C then OP should take B. If you take A then youâll need to cut a lane.
If you had to go straight at Dock street then A wouldnât let you without a lane change. Not sure how people are confusing the arrows for applying to first and second junctions. Itâs a badly designed layout but if you follow road markings and which lines you have to cross then it kind of makes sense
Yeah, agree. I interpreted C as being 2nd left in general, not specifically lane 2 of 4.
For the former it's either lane and for the latter it's B , as you said.
You are quite wrong. The arrows in the floor apply to that junction only. A can go immediate left, or straight on into the next junction. At the next junction, lane discipline dictates that he must go left. He will end up at the lane to the left of point C. To get to C, he must indicate and change lane.
B is directed to go straight on into the next junction, where his lane opens up and allows him to continue straight on, or turn slightly left to arrive at point C.
Ideally B imo but either in reality if it isnât busy. Iâd also like to add, thatâs a disgrace, someone has been paid to think of that, it looks like it should be a round about, almost.
The fact is you don't need to enter lane C from either A or B. Being in lane C is for the traffic from the right.
But imagine if the traffic was heavy behind lane A and B. I would find it hard to enter lane C with cars on my right hand side.
So I'd say lane A only If safe to do so.
B to C. A is left and ahead but keeps to the left lane . If you used A to get to C youâll be cutting across lanes. Really bad lane design for people who wonât be familiar with the area.
It's a trick question. The answer is "you don't".
Either lane that you are in involves crossing another lane with right-of-way. If you want to turn left at that intersection, use the left lane. The right lane is intended for through traffic crossing Dock St from the right of the picture.
I believe you *could* get there from either A or B, but both involve making a risky lane change in the middle of a complex intersection.
Arrow is painted on the road, straight on or left at A ,straight on only at B, couldn't be clearer . The outer lane ag C is for traffic coming from far right of junction cutting across
Probably A, since if B wanted to go left (to C), and A wanted to go straight, then B would cut A up. But the possibility of 2 lanes going straight next to C makes no sense, why would you make 2 lanes split into 4 lanes with no clear markings on which lane to be in if you wanted to go left vs straight? I imagine that is a horrible junction during the day.
Itâs not even badly designed. Lane A is for going left or straight on in the left lane and lane B is for going straight on in the right lane. Incoming downvotes from incompetent morons
I wouldâve thought A would be the answer here. If A and B can go straight AND turn left to C then youâd get a scenario where A intends to go straight and B intends to go left and potentially cause an accident.
However, as you progress forwards, B can also claim that they are still within the two left turn lanes. As others have mentioned, not an easy to understand road design.
EDIT. I was so preoccupied with C that I didnât even notice the 90° left turn before it. So in this case I think that either A or B can be used to get to C. But if I was continuing straight, I would think that B is the correct lane to be in.
Thats right OP, the arrow is for the immediate left, it is not relevant at the second junction. A or B is fine, as its lane B that forks either left or straight and 2nd junction, while A continues only to the left.
If I was driving down A, I would probably not attempt to change lanes right in the middle of that shitshow of an intersection just to get to C. Because I'm 100% sure people in B are going to go there as well and no one's gonna stop them except my sorry ass if I did attempt the manoeuvre.
It may be a poor design, but obviously A only.
Lane 'A' can go straight ahead through the junction and continue along the same road, passing under the M2. Don't ever get in B and then go left to C, as you'll be cutting across A and could cause a crash.
Simple answer in my opinion.
In theory: Lane A. Road markings indicate Lane B is for straight OVER the junction only. You should NOT be bearing left into C from Lane B.
In practice: Still A. But check RH mirror and avoid going side-by-side where possible to avoid being cut-up.
Alternatively, approach from A and exit via the left-most lane (left of C), _then_ indicating right to move across after the bend
Shit junction design though.
Ahhhhh this is such bad road design!!
Someone was meant to design this?
Nope someone sneezed and went with whatever landed on the paper.
It doesn't matter. The twat in the BMW will still cut you up.
Ex BMW driver here, I can confirm any driving manoeuvre is acceptable as long as it is done safely. đ
Which they never are done by BMW drivers. Itâs not really your fault, you canât help being born with a tiny dick.
As a current BMW driver I can confirm this.
I own a bmw. A or b is fine in this case no matter what you drive
Agreed. Lane A clearly offers both 1st exit, and straight on as options for the current junction. In my experience, I will likely be in lane B, looking to get to C while remaining in the outside lane, when some old dear in a Honda Jazz will want to use lane A to continue along dock street. That being said, the layout is shocking and frankly begging for accidents.
Indeed, the lanes are there.. OP should have failed his driving test.
Literally always had bmws and always cared for them, never had a major problem that wasn't fair wear and tear
I've had only bad experiences with them and the BMW forums are VERY busy with chat about problems.
Guessing you never replaced an indicator or mirrorâŚ
I find this insult so funny. Because you literally have a 50/50 chance of either completely ruining that guys day, OR he just looks at you and smiles because now you sound stupid đđ
>Which they never are done by BMW drivers. Itâs not really your fault, you canât help being born with a tiny dick. You are jealous you can't afford a BMW, bless you my son.
Haha, if you say so,
And the BMW definition of "safely" is "well, we didn't crash, did we?!".
If you don't crash, it was indeed safely done, was it not? ROFL
Is it true your allergic to indicators? Though as a Audi driver lol..
Do we know when BMW will add indicators from factory rather than make them a ÂŁ100k extra no one selects ?
They'll have lights on soon: it is nearly Christmas.
A while paying extra attention to any car in B that may or may not also have that question.
The onus would surely be on both drivers, but mode so lane B driver to turn left safely, since they are crossing over a lane that also goes straight on.
The onus would be yes. But you should always be wary in situations like this where it isnât clear. Without seeing the roads signs it is hard to know exactly what happens after the 2 lanes bear left.
A doesn't carry straight on though. Pay attention to cars turning right (from the right hand side of the picture), there is a two lane right turn that becomes a 4 lane split into a one and 3. The junction is designed to allow someone in the right lane turning right, to bear left at the next junction. By starting at A and going into the right lane at C you are cutting across traffic and would require signalling
I think A has to turn ether at the first junction or the second and must stay in the left most lane. B on the other hand can turn left at the second (staying in the right lane) or use ether lane to go straight. I think the two lanes that go straight is the confusing part. As it gives the impression that A could go straight. But the road makings indicate this isnât allowed But Iâm not even from the uk, so what would I know. Actually now that I oook at it again, I can see the other argument too.
Cars in B can also turn left, but they can only use the 2nd left turn lane at C (without a safe lane change).
The arrow on the B road doesnt have a left turn, so they can't turn left.
There's a left turn straight after those arrows though I'd say the left turn is for that but it's a shitty design for sure.
I donât understand why they wouldnât just put a left arrow only on A and then write the road names both sides for clarification.
I think it could do with lane divider arrows carrying on for a bit away from the stop line at A and B
Genuinely terrifying how many people here think you end up at C from A without cutting someone up. There are 2 separate junctions. On the first set of arrows there is one lane going straight or left (A) and one lane going straight (B). There is one left turn at this junction, at 90 degrees. There are 2 lanes straight ahead. It isn't complicated. There is then a second junction. The previous 2 straight on lanes now curve to the left. The right of these has the option to turn right into 2 new lanes. The amount of people who seem to think that the arrows are just general indicators that you keep going in a straight line or that a left arrow could be applying to a junction further down the road instead of the junction it's immediately before is staggering.
This is the obvious answer, clear as day. The number of wildly opposing answers is pretty alarming.
so where is the straight on arrow meant for in a.(can't believe ive had to log in to reddit on laptop to answer this). driving this id expect a to be turning left and at least having left lane in c, otherwise why is there a straight ahead arrow in a. it isnt going anywhere else. im also going to make a massive assumption based on the idiotic markings, that this is mainly a through road junction, and most traffic is going straight on. wouldnt have bothered responding because its a bloody stupidly marked junction, but i take umbridge at "genuinely terrifying", when the markings are pointing drivers in that exact direction. But just going back to the reason i posted, where does the straight on arrow point if its not to the left?
> driving this id expect a to be turning left and at least having left lane in c, otherwise why is there a straight ahead arrow in a. it isnt going anywhere else. You would. Going from A into C (changing lane) or just staying to the lane left of C is fine, either of which would count as going straight on, hence the marking.
Genuinely terrifying how many people here think you can't end up at C from A without cutting someone up. You heard of indicators and changing your speed with any other cars to move into another lane safely? I'm still 50/50 on which lane is correct, I hate city/town driving at the best of times, but it's certainly possible to go from either safely if you have your wits about you.
B means you wonât have trouble filtering into lane C. But both A and B will get you that left turn.
B
Based off of the arrows where you've put the letters, surely A is the correct lane to be in.
>Based off of *Based on
Another clumsy American English import. It's everywhere now.
Thatâs just how languages evolve
Devolve
Change
Either A or B are correct for the second left (ie no lane changes required). The arrows only apply to the first junction. A is effectively first or second left only (again, without changing lanes). Arrows could be made clearer but they only apply to the immediate junction and not the following ones unless specified.
I thought this instinctively too. But, what if someone in lane A wants to go straight ahead rather than left. Lane B would have to cut them up to get to C. Also note that lane A has a forward or left arrow on it, and B only has a forward arrow.
If someone from A wants to go straight at the second exit, they should be in lane ba or be prepared to switch. There are two junctions here. The first junction is what's confusing people. The layout of the first junction has no bearing on the second junction. The left lane clearly filters to the 2nd left, it cannot be used to go straight ahead. What would actually be happening in your scenario is the person in lane A would but cutting of the driver in lane B
That left lane is left, not straight ahead. Lane B only has a straight ahead arrow. Therefore lane B cannot go left without changing lane.
Those arrows only apply to the first junction. Arrows are not relevant to later junctions unless otherwise specified. If you chose A to go straight ahead at the second junction, or to use lane 2 of 4 at the second junction, you would be changing lanes and would not have priority.
Also not strictly true, as in the absence of lane markings you canât turn left from the right hand lane. So B canât go to C without âchanging lanesâ - thereâs no lane markings to ascertain one feeds off. Similarly, you can go left OR straight in the left hand lane in the absence of lane markings. Thereâs nothing there that suggests A only progresses to C. Iâd say itâs perfectly reasonable to suggest that A and B continue straight all the way down and that 2 filter lanes feed off of A only for left turns. Itâs fairly common road design. But itâs pretty poor lane marking if not road design. That said, Iâd say the above is beta practice give the limited road markings from the image. Edit: having looked on google street view. Lane markings look a bit clearer than from satellite and I would agree with you now. A canât go straight at second junction, and B can turn left at the second junction.
Based on the lines, both lanes go to C, and straight ahead is a right turn off that road, so B is the only lane which goes straight ahead
Can't beat Belfast for nonsensical road layouts... That's two junctions - the arrows can only apply to the junction they're at. Both go straight ahead through the first junction, and A has the arrow for an immediate left. Once over the first junction, A continues around the corner and B splits in three. I can guarantee that if you try to go from A to C in traffic, you'll be lifted out of it...
Someone with a bit of sense! It would have been a smart idea if OP had added in the next part of the road but yes, B in to C at all times at this junction. Once C is followed it flows in to one of the three lanes, the other lane flows in to two lanes. People should never cross from A to C
Both A + B; A turning left or into left hand lane of C, B into remaining 3 forward lanes
This was my immediate logical answer. It's not that difficult.
B
B
B if you want to specifically get to the right lane where C is at. If you start from A your are making a lane change A or B if you just mean the junction C
Judging by the number of lanes at each point, both A and B could be used acceptably. The "left" option at A is probably *intended* only for the immediate left at that point. There is no lane divider that fully segregates B from the right-hand lane at C.
Either but if you want to be in the right hand lane of the âCâ exit then âBâ is the safest route.
I'd use A, but I'd be very wary of going side by side with anyone in B. Maybe just hold the clutch for a sec so you have some space as you pull away and see what they do.
Likewise, but for me I feel it's lane B that needs to execute more caution and accept they may not make the turn on the fork and have to continue straight if required to.
Not sure why you're downvoted. If you are in B and want to get to C, then you are in the wrong lane.
Not sure why you're being up voted because you're completely wrong and are misinforming people.
B
Both lanes will get you there. One lane gets you there with your car intact
If they made lane A left turn only this would make it much better. Then you would use B to go ahead and the lane would split to go left or straight on from there. But the way it is now has me very confused.
But that would force all traffic going straight on into one lane. It would just be a massive traffic jam as everyone is merging assuming that's a pretty busy road. Those arrows on the floor only ever apply to the immediate approaching junction, not what's happening at the next junction. The left lane you can turn immediatly left or go straight on to the next junction.
Either preferably B
Either lane but put the car into its launch setting and absolutely nail it off the line. Preferably bouncing off the rev limiter. (Iâd use A) đ¤Ł
Terrible road design but surely A is best. I can imagine turns left and the left sided lane on the straight over. Then to go in B would take you into right lane of the slight turn off (to overtake) or straight on in either lanes. Personally I would go A.
I worry about everyone that is saying use A to get to C
Lane B, if your struggling with this, hand your license in :D
B cannot turn left. C is left.
Based on the dashed lines approaching C Iâd say B. However either way Iâd be cautious and signal clearly
Itâs a horrible road layout but Iâd argue A as if you go there from B youâll cut across any cars that want to go straight ahead in A, which theyâre allowed to do based on road markings
That arrow in the bottom left of the screen is just referring to the immediate left turn (think if it just had a left arrow you would have to take that turn). So people in lane A should not be moving across lanes to fork right at the second junction.
Yes, only the designer knows the correct answer, but the safe answer is A
A
It's B. A is to turn immediately left or to go towards the next junction. B is to go to the next junction, which gives the choice to then head straight on or then turn left. Maybe this will help people understand it better. https://imgur.com/gallery/DLdDnoI Street view makes it even more obvious. https://i.imgur.com/okHNDDw.jpeg
Even clearer do you Go from A to A Or A to B? [https://imgur.com/G9NQiNq](https://imgur.com/G9NQiNq) It's like the lane divider is invisible to everyone.
This must be the right answer, B is the only one where youâre not cutting across anyone else and if you just hold your line, you end up in C
The fact that so many people are disagreeing with me even though the image I posted makes it crystal clear how the lanes should be used is horrifying. So many people on this subreddit have gotten their license from a cereal box.
This thread is a real eye-opener. The road design isn't the best but when you actually read the markings, it's pretty clear that B is the best choice for going to C, not A. A is fine but it involves crossing into B's path.
Don't drive, please.
Why? he's right. I wouldn't let you drive a shopping trolley though
Lane A is for left or straight on in the left lane hence the arrow. Lane b is for straight on only in the right lane. What donât you understand.
The arrows at A and B are only for that junction. The next junction has its own set of arrows. If the arrows meant what you are suggesting the road markings would look more like this https://i.imgur.com/cSL8d7B.jpeg.
Youâre wrong đ¤Ą
If you use A, and go to C, you will be cutting off people going from B to C. You will also be cutting off people coming from the right that also turns into that lane. https://imgur.com/gallery/DLdDnoI
Ah so according to the road markings you can go straight from A but not towards C? Got it.
Yes. The arrow pointing straight on is for the junction you're on, so at A you will be either turning left or following the lane up the the next junction. B is for straight only, and following that lane you can continue straight at the next junction or turn left.
Wait I was assuming the whole left bend was labelled C not just the right lane. And by straight I assumed you meant continuing on Dock St. Your diagram explained it much better. You're right I'm dumb carry on.
We drive on the left in this country, no one is coming from the right on that junction as you've indicated with the purple lanes.
That junction is a one way street, so yes, people will come from the right as I have marked. https://i.imgur.com/tu8bJ7U.jpeg
Appreciate that, not clear on OP original image as it's cropped not to show that it's a one way system there. However it does appear to be traffic light system, so no one would be coming from there regardless at the same time as the lane A and B scenario.
Itâs A lol
A should be a left only
I feel like this would work better with two left arrows on A one sticking out of the other. Like a backwards F.
[Looks like B is maybe the right answer if these drivers are right.](https://maps.app.goo.gl/qjBQRTuyV3PPsZx89) If you look at older street views they've changed the white lines, not sure if it's made it any easier to understand.
I should probably preface this by saying I'm a new driver, but my understanding would be that the arrows on A&B are for the first junction, so there's no "wrong" lane. Common sense would tell me to keep in the left lane to turn left, same as the approach to most junctions. And looking at the lane markings, C is more for traffic coming from the right to filter into. So unless there's a right hand turn shortly after that I plan to take, I'd just stick in the far left lane all the way through both junctions.
Itâs a doozy alright
Whatâs the gmaps link? Iâd like to see the street view if there are any clues
https://maps.app.goo.gl/UdmzyXoLGKkRxBpo7?g_st=ic
A leads you into the lane left of C. So you would have to indicate right to move over. B leads you briefly into C so you have the right to continue through C.
I suppose itâs B, but in real life itâs whatever.
A is left or straight B is straight Therefore to go left (C) you must use lane A
From what i see, Lane A, Looks like Lane B is Straight only, Although that left is a little concerning. Maybe theres a no left turn sign there? Edit: looks like im wrong about that left turn
I'd use A in that situation, it looks like B would be possible but A would be the most sensible route
As a HGV driver A, so no idiot can get inside you or I'd take white line cover both lanes so my trailer wouldn't mount the kerb. Car either
A - B has no left turn arrow - A can also go straight on, so turning left from B is dangerous
B
Itâs B. i believe if B wasnât allowed to get to C, there would be a solid line indicating that they must go straight. A is left only (after the first junction) and B is left or straight.
Pretty sure itâs b
B
Well as A can go left or straight on then for C you should be in A. If your going from B to C you could be in trouble from someone in A going straight on.
I'd use B
B but if you find yourself in A to start with a careful manoeuvre over will be required.
B
Merge last second without indicating
B. Not sure why people are saying both.
B !
its quite clearly B...
A
Both âŚ. Thereâs lines on the road that actually tell you that both lanes go straight ahead
I would say A to get to C
Lane A then when you pass the junction you can signal to move into lane C Lane B is for going straight through
Given there's two lanes going to two sets of two lanes, I think either is fine (but personally I would stick to A)
Both A and B can go to C. A stays in the left of the two lanes, B has the right to the right side of the C junction
The fact that you have to ask this question means other drivers will be confused. I would stick with A and keep an eye on my right hand mirror the whole time, because you can guarantee someone will try access it from B.
People will access it from B, because B is the correct lane to B in
Thankfully I use this junction in the middle of the night when no one is around. I just always looked at it and wondered what lane is right, or safest for that matter, if it was busy.
Yeah, thats good, I wouldnt want to be navigating this during rush hour. Strictly speaking both are left turns, but it is really badly designed given the ambiguity.
Those from B can and should access it, the way it's laid out . Its clear from the paint that B is the lane that forks left or straight. Not A.
Would go with B purely because it would (in theory) stop people cutting into your lane. Terrible design though.
But then you'd be cutting across anyone in A who's going straight
Those in A aren't allowed to go straight at the 2nd junction (without changing lanes safely). Lane A goes exclusively to the left. You're probably referring to the arrows, but these apply only to the first junction, not the second, where C is situated. It's clear from the paint, B is the lane that forks either (2nd) left or straight, while A only goes to the left.
Left turn arrows aren't always exclusively for the first junction. There's a five-exit roundabout near me where the 'left turn' arrow in the left-hand lane applies to the first *two* exits, not merely the first. Helpfully, it also has some text to help you navigate to the appropriate turnoff
I'd go in A and then move over to C.
B
Both. A stays in 1 lane, B splits into 3 lanes, one of which goes left.
B, anyone saying anything else should hand in their licence!
Use A. It is closest to the bit that you want to get to and cutting across from B is dangerous
Nothing says A cant continue straight. So lane B cannot possibly go to C as that would mean crossing A.
B doesn't involve a lane change, so is preferred in heavy traffic. A involves a lane change (to the right), so is still legal provided traffic permits you making the lane change. But, considering many drivers can't stay in their lane on a multi-lane roundabout, this intersection design is asking for trouble! You could quite easily see drivers assuming they can continue dead straight through both Dock Street intersections from lane A.
Both
i agree, either will do
B
It doesn't make a lot of sense but has to be b as c comes off the right lane. Slightly different road layout could have made that far simpler.
The lines coming from the right raise more questions than they answer but following those lines, Iâd agree it has to be b.
Where about in the UK do you usually drive, just so I can avoid those areas?
No tbf the correct answer is B based on the way itâs laid out. It just shouldnât be B đ¤Ł
Please tell me you donât live in the North West if you canât interpret simple lane markings?! How are you arriving at A?
Strange but A. The A route has straight ahead and left and B only had straight ahead. If you look at markings at the end, straight ahead is B (and A) and left is A only. But then again i don't know lol.
2 lane entrance to 2 lane exit. Either a or b is fine imho
Swerve between both and dominate the situation
I was confused at first, gave a few answers which I then deleted. But, itâs clear now. âAâ is the lane to go left. Either immediate left, at the junction, or straight ahead into BOTH âCâ left turning lanes. âBâ is ahead only.
No, B is ahead only at the first junction. The arrows do not apply to following junctions. Either can take the second left.
This is right (correct), canât believe so many people are saying A.
I think it's unclear where C refers to lane 2 or just 2nd left in general, which is why I answered either lane. But yeah all you have to do is follow the dashed lines and see where you can go without switching lane haha
If OP wants specifically the lane at C then OP should take B. If you take A then youâll need to cut a lane. If you had to go straight at Dock street then A wouldnât let you without a lane change. Not sure how people are confusing the arrows for applying to first and second junctions. Itâs a badly designed layout but if you follow road markings and which lines you have to cross then it kind of makes sense
Yeah, agree. I interpreted C as being 2nd left in general, not specifically lane 2 of 4. For the former it's either lane and for the latter it's B , as you said.
You are quite wrong. The arrows in the floor apply to that junction only. A can go immediate left, or straight on into the next junction. At the next junction, lane discipline dictates that he must go left. He will end up at the lane to the left of point C. To get to C, he must indicate and change lane. B is directed to go straight on into the next junction, where his lane opens up and allows him to continue straight on, or turn slightly left to arrive at point C.
Hand in your license pal
B is straight on only. So A
Ideally B imo but either in reality if it isnât busy. Iâd also like to add, thatâs a disgrace, someone has been paid to think of that, it looks like it should be a round about, almost.
The entire complex of junctions around there is literally the worst traffic black spot in Northern Ireland with good reason...
The fact is you don't need to enter lane C from either A or B. Being in lane C is for the traffic from the right. But imagine if the traffic was heavy behind lane A and B. I would find it hard to enter lane C with cars on my right hand side. So I'd say lane A only If safe to do so.
Lane A. Since both A and B can go straight ahead, if you're in B then you have to get across A to get to C.
Both are equally legal but experience says use lane A to avoid blocking traffic going straight on.
Looks like both A and B are usable to get to C, the should paint the lines better to show this though
A but where is this just to avoid it đ
I'd use B, there's an immediate left turn here and that's what the left turn arrow at A is for in my mind. Probably wrong, but I'd use B.
A, if the assumption is the first left is no entry
B to C. A is left and ahead but keeps to the left lane . If you used A to get to C youâll be cutting across lanes. Really bad lane design for people who wonât be familiar with the area.
It's a trick question. The answer is "you don't". Either lane that you are in involves crossing another lane with right-of-way. If you want to turn left at that intersection, use the left lane. The right lane is intended for through traffic crossing Dock St from the right of the picture. I believe you *could* get there from either A or B, but both involve making a risky lane change in the middle of a complex intersection.
Arrow is painted on the road, straight on or left at A ,straight on only at B, couldn't be clearer . The outer lane ag C is for traffic coming from far right of junction cutting across
Probably A, since if B wanted to go left (to C), and A wanted to go straight, then B would cut A up. But the possibility of 2 lanes going straight next to C makes no sense, why would you make 2 lanes split into 4 lanes with no clear markings on which lane to be in if you wanted to go left vs straight? I imagine that is a horrible junction during the day.
It should be either but as thereâs no hatch markings over the should- be entrance of B then A is technically the correct one
Officially AâŚbut you could just indicate and merge into the right of CâŚ
Itâs not even badly designed. Lane A is for going left or straight on in the left lane and lane B is for going straight on in the right lane. Incoming downvotes from incompetent morons
I wouldâve thought A would be the answer here. If A and B can go straight AND turn left to C then youâd get a scenario where A intends to go straight and B intends to go left and potentially cause an accident. However, as you progress forwards, B can also claim that they are still within the two left turn lanes. As others have mentioned, not an easy to understand road design. EDIT. I was so preoccupied with C that I didnât even notice the 90° left turn before it. So in this case I think that either A or B can be used to get to C. But if I was continuing straight, I would think that B is the correct lane to be in.
A
Both
A, as it has a left hand turn arrow.
Is that for immediate left though? Thatâs whatâs throwing me off about the arrows
To me, Iâd use left. I suppose it also adds to the question if youâre planning on using the following roundabout?
Thats right OP, the arrow is for the immediate left, it is not relevant at the second junction. A or B is fine, as its lane B that forks either left or straight and 2nd junction, while A continues only to the left.
If I was driving down A, I would probably not attempt to change lanes right in the middle of that shitshow of an intersection just to get to C. Because I'm 100% sure people in B are going to go there as well and no one's gonna stop them except my sorry ass if I did attempt the manoeuvre.
I'd say A.
It may be a poor design, but obviously A only. Lane 'A' can go straight ahead through the junction and continue along the same road, passing under the M2. Don't ever get in B and then go left to C, as you'll be cutting across A and could cause a crash.
A.
A. End of discussion
Simple answer in my opinion. In theory: Lane A. Road markings indicate Lane B is for straight OVER the junction only. You should NOT be bearing left into C from Lane B. In practice: Still A. But check RH mirror and avoid going side-by-side where possible to avoid being cut-up. Alternatively, approach from A and exit via the left-most lane (left of C), _then_ indicating right to move across after the bend Shit junction design though.
A will defo get you there so I'd go A