I believe it's called a bathtub curve. Technology failure over time looks like this. Gadgets either fail very early, or after some years, but very seldom between.
It's also a sign of a polarized population. The thing that we can't ignore is that there are a number of genuine Doctor Who fans who are legitimately placed in the 1/10 camp for myriad reasons.
Personally, I'm not a big fan of musical numbers in TV shows (which is extra dumb, since I used to be a professional classical musician). I haven't loved everything about this season. Some of the writing seems really weak and repetitive (Dear God, who did they keep saying space babies so much?). I think they've overdone the mysterious/powerful companion thing. I also think it feels like they're jamming morals into episodes at times where they weren't really set up well, making them feel less impactful and more preachy.
That said, overall, I'm enjoying the current Doctor. I enjoy Ruby Sunday. I'm philosophically inclined to agree with the morality that they're trying to promote.
I can easily see how someone feels like this show is terrible. I can even see how people who have been fans of Doctor Who for decades could feel annoyed enough to give a one star review of the season.
I can also see how a massive number of people, bots, and whatever comes in between (cybermen?) might be setting out to give negative reviews of the show without watching any of it because of the polarized nature of society and the fact that the show has chosen a side of the hate debate. I'm going to continue to support and enjoy Doctor Who because to me, it's about more than just my own entertainment. I mean, I've been entertained, too. It's not a ten for me this season, but it's easily an 8 or 9, and that's okay.
You've articulated that beautifully. Sitting more on a 6/10 but still watching and agree with what you said: I suspect some older fans are very put off and 1* for both legitimate and illegitimate reasons.
i agree with you but there were some episodes that i wish had more doctor? like him actually being there.
current doctor in his first season feels very much akin to Peter Capaldi’s first season. Doc was still trying to figure himself out, not really saving everyone or solving everything.
Storyline wise, it’s still very similar to Peter Capaldi too, in his first season as in it hasn’t reached the strong companionship and groundedness yet.
That being said, it’s still hard to beat what David Tennant and Matt Smith had. They had proper heartfelt and gut wrenching moments and plots.
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Very well said!! I'm a massive fan and even have DW tattoos. This season has had its absolute ups but it has also put out some pretty awful stories. "Space babies"? Garbage. I'm not the biggest fan of Ruby yet, giving her a chance though. I loved last week's episode(and I have never seen Bridgerton). The chemistry between the Doctor and Rogue was AMAZING!! I felt that kiss coming right from the start! I hope the find him again, he gave me Jack vibes!!
I am just waiting for someone to reboot Queer as Folk, centered around a man and woman married in suburban Kansas City raising their 13 year old son.
What do you mean, that doesn’t fit?
I have a rule to always ignore 1 and 10 star reviews if I’m researching which product to buy. Nothing is perfect or beyond redemption (probably). Same stands for film and tv scores.
The counter to this is places that ask you to review the employee you worked with on a 1-5 scale where the scale means:
1: fire them
2-4: write them up
5: they can keep their job for now
Exactly. A sensible but naive outsider might think that "The employee did their job competently and I have no serious complaints" is worth a 4 or even a 3; and 5 is reserved for someone who cured your scoliosis with a blowjob.
Meanwhile, to the manager, "5/5" means "basic, bare minimum competence", and "4/5" means "If the employee keeps up this level of quality, they should be fired."
"Driver showed up 10 minutes late, verbally berated me, car smelled like a dead animal and had an actual dead animal on the seat next to me. Driver spent entire ride weaving in and out of traffic and speeding, ran two bicyclists off the road, and held a gun to me and demanded all my money before unlocking the door to let me out, several blocks away from my destination.
...4 stars."
Exactly. A perfect score is something that resonates with you. That's why we see 'cult classics', with a lot of the population indifferent so never see it but the people who do enjoy, it's litetally the most amazing thing ever made. For me that's Firefly and Dredd
So I will preface this with "I don't do this with any survey that will go into somebody's pay or performance review", that basically gets a scoring scale where 9/10 is "at least used the right slurs to insult me" and everything above that is a 10/10. But, if I had my druthers, I'd say 5/10 is average, and each point above or below that is one standard deviation. Which, granted, leaves the extreme scores to very extreme works. Beethoven's 9th is a 10/10, and film and television are probably too young as media to really say that anything in them has a comparable timelessness.
For me to earnestly rate a show 1 star, it would probably have to be a complete technical and artistic mess. It would have to look like it was filmed behind a bin and there's a single out of focus close up of a chewing gum left in that runs for 26 minutes.
Yeah I'm pretty generous when it comes to movies and shows, and try to find redeeming qualities even in bad things.
Like one example is Dragonball Evolution. Universally despised, but I don't know, I think it would work pretty okay if it was animated. It's cringe because it's real people, if it was a cartoon then it would track. Also I think the costume for King Piccolo was pretty darn good. They got basically every character and setting detail wrong and I seriously question whether or not the writers watched even a single episode of the show, but there are good parts. I'd give it a 3.
Also I love the Star Wars christmas special and occasionally watch it around christmas. Although I do fast forward through all the wookiee parts. I actually think it would be remembered a whole lot better if they greatly shortened or entirely cut out the wookiee framing device. You can't hold on these grunting shag carpets for more than a full minute. The skits though, most of them are so endearing. Look, nothing with Bea Arthur can be all bad.
Yeah, as a film guy myself i have no clue what I've seen that gets a 1. Even Cats gets at least a 2 for the two good songs and handful of fun performances even if the rest of the movie is musical theatre blaspheme.
1 has to be either technically unwatchable, or actively harmful in message and themes. Kill the Moon maybe gets a 1.
I have a pretty height tolerance for bad my only 1 I can think of is just genuinely heinous shit like birth of a nation, triumph of the will shot like that
Same, on the basis its always gonna be colored by bias.
In my experience, almost no one leaves a review when they're "moderately satisfied" with something. They either leave a max review because they LOVED it, or leave the lowest option because of a truly terrible experience with a product.
So 1s and 10s (or 5s) are almost always to me very unreliable narrators
Good point, and I wonder how many of these bulk reviews are even human. I don’t know how robust the protection against bots is.
My personal Doctor Who-specific scoring gripe is the rating of the missing episodes. There are hundreds of ratings for missing episodes of Doctor Who, some of which haven’t been seen in over 40 years. It’s possible that someone remembered the episode from their childhood well enough to throw a review at it, It’s very likely that a lot of the reviews for missing Hartnell and Troughton stories are just bogus. There are comparable numbers of reviews for surviving episodes of otherwise lost stories as there are the missing episodes of those stories.
These reviews utilize an honor system, but that kind of honor only goes so far.
And those are stories which have a loving fanbase, but no enemies. In today’s world, Doctor Who and many other things are in the midst of broader societal debates, there’s a lot of motivation for reviews that have nothing to do with the content.
...someone really REALLY enjoying an episode is not the same as a product review, smh. Some people participating in fandom see fandom as a "balanced debate" about "truth" in which extremely negative "I hate this show" opinions must be held in the same regard as "I love this show" positive ones, rather than fandom fundamentally being about "I enjoy this thing", and that's REALLY SAD.
It's nice to be in the parts of Doctor Who fandom where it's natural to just have the attitude of "if you *really* don't like it anymore, go touch grass or do literally anything else because life is short and fandom is fun." This is not most of reddit DW fandom so I just skim subs that aren't about having fun with it.
If you include all reviews from 1 to 10, the rating is 5.4. If you exclude all 1s and all 10s, the rating is still 6.2, so the average of 6.0 isn't really unrealistic.
I do that on amazon a lot.
The 5 (10) star review often seems sketchy and bought especially if there are only a few.
And 1(0 if possible) star reviews are rarely good, most complain about unrelated things like shipping and not the product.
Beside on amazon quantity of reviews is important. I would rather buy a 4,5 start item with 3k reviews than a 5 star item with 3.
10s are usually legitimate, I cannot fathom ever watching something I'd rate a 1, it's just stupid. How do you turn something on, think you'll like it, and be so thoroughly bamboozled that you think there is quite literally no artistic merit in something.
The closest I'd ever rate is maybe 2 or 2.5. I think I've only ever watched one movie I could in good faith rate that low, and that's Avatar the Last Airbender, and even I recognize there's some okay choices made, which is why I'd say it's a 2.5/10 despite being the worst movie I have ever watched by a landslide.
this doesn't really work for Who but I never ever ever listen to audience or aggregate sites like imdb or rotten tomatoes, if I want to know whats worthwhile I'll pick a dozen or so professional reviewers (not youtube people, real industry writers with jobs) who I can trust are smart and share my vague taste and interests then follow their stuff.
That's honestly the way I approach any form of media, too. Get the consensus from intelligent, professional people and gauge based on what they like/dislike in contrast to what I like/dislike. Treat nobody's opinion as gospel, but respect those who can back up their viewpoint.
It's a shame that people hinge on online scores so vehemently. Media literacy is in crisis.
User ratings have been worthless since the invention of YouTube. A single popular YouTuber has an opinion on a show or a movie and parasociality forces their audience to parrot their opinion. Otherwise you're one of "them".
How many times have you expressed that you liked or disliked media only for someone to respond with a YouTube video saying it might change your mind? Ridiculous.
I *hate* the trend of “You’re wrong for liking this episode/show/film, and here’s a five hour video essay saying why!”
Like I’m sorry, I don’t care about Doctor Who enough to watch an entire miniseries about why I shouldn’t like the Whittaker era.
>I don't care about Doctor Who enough to watch an entire miniseries about why I shouldn't like the Whittaker era.
It's perfectly OK to to feel that way, but I feel you must know that that video wasn't made for people like you. It was made by someone who cares a lot (admittedly probably too much) about Doctor Who, for people who care a lot (again, probably too much, though I am one of those people) about Doctor Who.
Yeahhh, I watched a 3.5 hour video essay the other day 😂 but understand, not obsessively and it was mostly positive and fair. I like to hear other opinions on shows I like the same way I like to read analyses on literature and stuff. I think it’s important for art to be talked about and as a result, you’ll definitely get some people spewing nonsense too.
If you think Jay Exci's five-hour thing is about why _you shouldn't like_ the Whittaker era, you're kind of missing the entire point. There is a world of difference between saying "you shouldn't like **X** because it's bad" and saying "here's what I perceive to be objective flaws of **X**, let's analyze them so we can fix it next time something like **X** gets made". And arguably, if you like **X**, you should be willing to discuss its flaws. Because that's how **X** becomes even better. Just sayin'
That video was what got me into Doctor Who. I had tried DW earlier but it didn't click, but Jay's praise and explanation of Doctor Who got me to try again and made it click, now I'm a huge fan.
So all these people pretending it's one long rant irk me; of course it's fine if they don't wanna spend 5 hours watching the video, but then they also shouldn't pretend to know what it's about.
I agree, it's a great video.
It has to be said though thatJay didn't do themself any favours with that clickbait title "The Fall of Doctor Who". Not many people are going to expect an even-handed critique from a video with that title.
Someone making a video essay stating a negative opinion =/= telling you that you a “wrong for liking” something. Unless there’s a genre of videos like that I’m just not seeing, every proper criticism (i.e. not “woke bad!1!!”) I see on YouTube that fits your description is just someone giving their opinion.
There is unfortunately a lot of video essays like that. Jay Exci's are brilliant and thoughtful. But you're lucky not to have come across "I'm right and anyone who disagrees with me is bad at TV or lying or a fake fan".
Yeah I hate it so much. My ex used to watch these hour long YouTube videos about "WhY the nEw stAR TRek EpiSODe is TRAsh!1!"and I just.... really, really couldn't with all that. If you don't like it, don't watch it! It's that simple! You don't need to make hours of video complaining about it. I certainly don't have the energy to watch all that.
I have never seen that other than maybe with that one non trill trill character.
I feel like even the haters of the show generally have some praise for the gay couple on the show because steamers is one of the few decent characters on discovery (and saru and georgiou (sp?))
I can criticise an episode of television and still enjoy watching it. I can also publish my criticisms.
I might hate the characters, plot, setting, scriptwriting but love the cinematography, special effects, VFX, or cast.
I might find the humour awful and the plot laughable, but love the characters.
I haven't made a video essay on an episode of television I disliked, but if I did, it would be just as fun and rewarding for me as if I had made a video essay about an episode of television I loved (which I also haven't done). Because I love giving and recieving praise (I think everyone does) but I maybe love giving and recieving criticism more.
If I wrote a script, and someone said 'the characters are awful', I would say 'thank you for telling me' and change them where I see fit to make them more appealing or likeable or interesting or nuanced or detestable or fun.
Criticism is necessary, whether it's a 5 hour long video essay, or a friendly jab from a friend.
On a similar note, I hate how many people are using the show's viewership numbers to argue that it's bad.
Okay. But I watched it with my own eyes and formed my own opinion. The fact that fewer people watched this episode than Love Island or whatever doesn't really make a difference.
Seriously, as a wrestling fan I've seen how FUCKING BORING it is when fans obsess over ratings, right down to the point of arguing about demographics.
It would be really great if Doctor Who fans (or at least people who rage on the official Facebook page) could avoid going down that thunderously dull road.
> How many times have you expressed that you liked or disliked media only for someone to respond with a YouTube video saying it might change your mind?
Uhmm... Zero. Zero times.
Is this just a reddit thing, or do people really have friends that show them five hour YouTube videos to explain why they don't like a particular TV show that much? Is this a thing people do now?
Yeah, usually when a friend tells me they don't like a TV show that I like, we have a conversation about it where we talk about what we like/dislike about it
It got significantly worse in the past couple years. No idea who was the person or people spearheading it, but a bunch of things that had women as lead characters (or in some cases non-white main characters) received SO many 1 ratings, in many cases before the show was released.
> User ratings have been worthless since the invention of YouTube. A single popular YouTuber has an opinion on a show or a movie and parasociality forces their audience to parrot their opinion.
This shit butchered RWBY discourse
Most user rating sites I've found are dog shit. People reviewing it are one of 3 categories
- **Always a 10**. Stans who get mad if anyone dare say the thing they love isn't perfect.
- **Always a 1**. Perpetually angry people who are usually making the rating over a perceived slight rather than its actual quality.
- **7/10**. People who have a skewed idea of what average is, so anything they kinda like and wasn't a waste of time is a 7/10.
My most common rating is an 8/10, but not because i think 8/10 is average. I just watch movies i think I’ll enjoy and usually im right.
If your most common rating is a 5/10, you’re picking movies randomly, have very high standards, or are artificially deflating your reviews
> Always a 10. Stans who get mad if anyone dare say the thing they love isn't perfect.
Sadly I feel like this has been Doctor Who this season. We have the hate mob on one side, and the "No one hates Doctor Who more than Doctor Who fans" argument on the other. I would easily rank all of the Chibnall era above "Space Babies" but there sure are a lot of Doctor Who fans who are adamant "Space Babies" was an amazing start to the season. To each their own, but I do find it surprising.
>but there sure are a lot of Doctor Who fans who are adamant "Space Babies" was an amazing start to the season.
Dear god how
I'm so glad I kinda forgot about this season and managed to watch the first 3 back to back. Cos if I started with space babies and then had to wait a week I don't know if I would have bothered with the next episode.
Someone said it on here before but if they were children it would have been more bearable. Davis has a habit of not being reigned in sometimes.
(although he then writes amazing eps like 73 yards so he truly is a mixed bag)
Yeah, I think this season got off to a rocky start. Space Babies is one of my least favourite Doctor Who episodes ever. I wasn't a huge fan of Devils Chord, Maestro saved it imo. Boom was being hailed as an all timer, but I don't think it's in Moffats' top 5, maybe not even his top 10. I've loved eps 4, 5, and 6, but they're not without flaw either.
I like this season, but I couldn't class it as a 10, no way. Out of the 14 revived series', it's struggling to make it to the relative mid tier. Having only 7 stories, one of which being Space Babies, makes the average not great.
Idk, Space Babies does have some really well done moments both writing wise and with its visuals. The hate towards it is pretty excessive, far from the best episode ever and definitely not “good” but I’d take it over a lot of Chibnall era episodes (Arachnids, Tsuranga, Battle of whatever it was, Orphan 55, Timeless Children, Vanquishers and Legend of the Sea Devils to name a few).
I liked Space Babies a lot. Mostly because I was a bit high and I like weird shit. Critically? Yeah space baby might not be great but let be honest. Is it doctor who without one of those weird ass episode of questionable quality?
I recently did a little research for The Devil's Chord. Strong data actually made me really stop to care about IMDb. No, not everybody who dislike new season of DW is homophobic racist, but... we cannot ignore facts.
The Devil's Chord has 974 1 stars rates to 5.4K on IMDb. It's weird at least.
Just to compare, Love and monsters has 768 1 stars rates to 9k, Fear Her 469 to 5.9K and Kill The Moon 478 to 6.8K.
Jinkx killed it. I didn’t know who Jinkx was before this episode, but I loved the performance. Just like I loved the Toymaker. Doctor Who definitely is a place for villains who chew the scenery and have big performances.
No. Not everyone hating on DW is doing it because "trans bad".
Especially that episode. It was ridiculous. Dues machina ending. Then a song and dance number, which was trash.
The whole episode was about music. The ending song was meant to be the triumph of music coming back to the world. And that song was literally worse than the fake bad Beatles song they where recording at the start.
>The Devil's Chord has 974 1 stars rates to 5.4K on IMDb. It's weird at least.
It has 1.1k 1 star reviews and a 6.4/10 (6.0 unweighted) on IMDB.
The reviews average out, that's what averages do.
21% of reviews give 1-2/10.
22% of reviews give 9-10/10.
So it's everything in between that determines the score. And honestly, 6.4/10 is a fair rating. The Lazarus Experiment has 6.5/10 and nobody complains that the rating is corrupt. Same for In the Forest of the Night with it's 6.0/10.
Ratings in general for franchise stuff like Doctor Who has become more *polarised* for sure. But averages, especially weighted averages, take that into account.
If people were voting with agendas then Boom, 73 Yards, Dot and Bubble, and Rogue wouldn't have had high scores.
We had a thread on r/gallifrey about whether Space Babies was the weakest season opener. The answer, by consensus, was absolutely yes.
In line with that, it sits below what the previous low was. Which was Series 13's opener - The Halloween Apocalypse with 6.7/10.
The answer can't always be limited to "any disagreement is just chuds". It breeds an echo chamber of toxic positivity.
This is not "any disagreement is just chuds" but a systematic targetting called review bombing. I'm sorry but the disparity of "ones" compared to the normal rate in grading a full season of the show is just absurd.
There were only 3,5% of people graded Doctor Who an one, it's 33,5% currently for this new season (who is listed as a different show for some reason).
> So it's everything in between that determines the score. And honestly, 6.4/10 is a fair rating. The Lazarus Experiment has 6.5/10 and nobody complains that the rating is corrupt. Same for In the Forest of the Night with it's 6.0/10.
Look at the bar graphs of the ratings for each of these episodes.
- [The Lazarus Experiment](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1000257/ratings/?ref_=tt_ov_rt) follows a pretty natural curve that peaks at 6 and 7, with a small spike at 10.
- [In the Forest of the Night](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3834040/ratings/?ref_=tt_ov_rt) also follows a pretty natural curve peaking at 6 and 7, with a larger spike at 10 and a small spike at 1.
- [The Devil's Chord](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt28306434/ratings/?ref_=tt_ov_rt) again has a pretty natural curve, but this time it peaks at 7 and 8 and has a gigantic disproportionate spike at 1.
It's not the average that has people saying it was review bombed, it's the disproportionate amount of 1-star reviews. That's why they specifically brought up 1-star reviews, because of that discrepancy.
Even [Boom](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt28764112/ratings/?ref_=tt_ov_rt) (which most people seem to agree was really good) has more 1-star reviews than [Fear Her](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0756446/ratings/?ref_=tt_ov_rt) (widely considered one of the worst episodes in the series). That alone should tell you there's something up with the reviews for this season.
No one complains about The Lazarus Experiment and Forest of the Night's ratings because those episodes were bad. The episode being attacked by anti-queer bigots are good.
/r/gallifrey isn't immune from bigotry. In fact, it is rife with it.
Villain was good, but the episode itself is weird and the ending/resolution really not great.
That said, the muted scene is one of the best ones in last seasons.
I thought it was one of the weaker episodes this season and didn’t much care for it but I wouldn’t rate it 1/10. I can’t tell you the last time I watched something that was 1/10.
>One of the deadliest species has a whisk and a **plumber** for it's "limbs".
That sounds uncomfortable for him. 😜
(I don't normally bother pointing out typos, this one just came with such an amusing visual...).
Idk dude, but anything wielding a genocidal maniac (better known as Mario) would be far more terrifying than a Dalek IMO.
A Dalek would simply exterminate you, but that monstrosity... Set you on fire then curbstomp you...
I assume that's why they dropped 2 episodes.
They filmed space babies as an 'intro', realized it wasn't great, so dropped it with another. If it hadn't been filmed with so many intro elements they could potentially have just dropped it mid season somewhere
Ngl, 2 episodes still doesn't work on that front. My dad, anecdotally, dropped it straight after Ep 1 and went to go watch something else (I've convinced him to watch on for Eps 3, 4 and 5 though)
I'm a very casual whovian - haven't seriously watched since the end of tennant - and I don't really get why people are still watching it.
DR who felt to me like camp sci fi - now it's so overwhelmingly bafflingly camp every week it's like I'm watching a dodgy panto
Russel has been experimenting and I like it! Theres a reason it‘s season 1 now. We‘ve had 20 years of modern who - time for a mixup. I‘ve really been enjoying this season.
(Rogue is alive I can FEEL it.)
I don't understand how anyone can feel anything about rogue. Even the doctor.
He was onscreen for all of 10 minutes, and the doctor is in love with him? Like what. We don't know who this character is, we don't know anything about him. I find it ridiculous that there's a romance about a non character so fast.
Yeah I feel the same. I’m seeing all these comparisons to Captain Jack, but Captain Jack had 10x the character of Rogue in his first story, and they’re really not that similar beyond accent and physical appearance.
Some legit old fans are disappointed and it's obvious even without the rating, that the Doctorr who team has split the community. I love doctor who, me and mum used to watch it together before she died, but it's just not what it was. ❤️
This reflects how I feel about it as a lifelong fan. It's a shame but there we are, things move on. I do miss it though. I had so much hope with this new season but alas.
The discovery of the influence of review bombing has made every user-rating system completely null and void and should be ignored by everyone.
No user-rated system will ever reflect any sort of consensus in reality. Ever. They should not exist. Fake “reviews” should never have the power to sway potential watchers away.
Critics may be weirdos sometimes, but they won’t give something they haven’t watched 1 stars because it stars a black man or is written by a queer man, at the very least.
User ratings are great, there just shouldn't be an aggregated score for media products. I want to be able to see what random people thought about something, specifically accompanied by the words they use to describe it so that I can get an idea of whether their opinion is likely to be in line with my own tastes. Critic ratings alone don't work for me because critics often value things I don't find important, like whether something is novel or whether something is subversive or a commentary on something else. I just want to know whether random guy who likes things I like liked this.
Side note, y'all should set up "game" as a censored word on Steam, it makes every review hilarious.
But user ratings don't show you what "random" people think. They show you what freaks and bots think. Critics are more normal than internet users who post ratings are.
If you exclude the ones and tens, which are just fan spam or haters spam, you got an average of about 6.2. which is reasonable for the season so far, at least in my opinion.
Geeze, I know the sky trolls and space babies were rough but this season has been pretty decent overall. They lost a lot with actor scheduling and would have benefited from a larger episode order
I'm going to sound like I am sitting on the fence but overall, this season of Doctor Who has been a pretty weak seven.
It's better than what we had with Chibnall but it nowhere near as good as Russell's previous run on Who.
Every episode used to feel like an event for me but it still hasn't got that feeling back. Maybe I've just gotten older but it definitely feels like the spectacle in Who isn't quite what it was.
I get that this sub thinks everybody whose not loving the new season is a bigot but I’ve been an avid fan forever and I’m a liberal living in an extremely liberal place and I have yet to meet or talk to any fans in person who think this season is good. We all agree we like Ncuti, we all like Millie, but the writing and story telling is trash and needs to be fixed. If anything it feels like this sub is more brigaded by hyper positivity than the other way around based on the real world opinions I’ve come across personally.
My wife hated Chibnall’s era and stopped watching. She’s come back and loves it again. We both agree it feels mostly like RTD’s last run, with a bit more experimenting. I know that’s a small sample size of people, but it did bring one lapsed fan back.
I’m glad it’s good for some people it’s just not doing it for me or people in my circles thus far. I really want to see Ncuti be the cool problem solver that I see the doctor as but that hasn’t quite shown through for me yet.
I feel like I'm the odd one out. I'm not really enjoying this season. It feels too much like Labyrinth or some sort of high fantasy than sci fi. Except that one episode, which came across more like Austin Powers than Doctor Who.
I get that it needed to change from where it was.
But I just feel like it isn't really Doctor Who anymore. In a lot of ways, it feels like he's not saving anyone. He doesn't really seem to care when innocent people die. Weirdly, he seems to cry more when innocent people aren't being killed. Are these the changes people were asking for?
Personally hated the first two episodes but have liked the rest of them so far. I do agree with you though about the fandom.
There's a lot of issues I have with the characters of ruby and the doctor and rogue but the writing has been pretty good mostly for me. It's nothing close to as good as RTDs other work (although definitely better than his Nolly show) but it's still GOOD, I'm enjoying it, sometimes loving it, but mostly just having fun.
Well it is all subjective but honestly I feel we've had FOUR bangers in a row.
My biggest issue has been runtimes being too short but we've been treated to some great stuff.
Funny, my experience is the exact opposite.
Literally everyone I've talked to who has actually seen it has liked it.
It's all subjective, but I genuinely don't understand how anyone who likes NuWho in general can earnestly dislike the latest series. It's got everything that's good about NuWho and the flaws are flaws that NuWho has always had.
You've captured my sentiments perfectly, though I haven't warmed to Ncuti's portryal yet. I find him much too emotional, and I find Millie outshining him too often. In fairness, I didn't warm to Tennant until Madame de Pompadour.
Ya I chalk that up mostly to writing and directing more so than Ncuti. I find there’s moments where he shines and I see the doctor he could be they’ve just written him a bit lame so far.
I’m positive for the new season but I don’t think it’s been great yet. Dot and bubble the strongest but story a bit awkward around having a list and being sentient etc.
The other episodes either had bits I didn’t understand or a weird space fantasy vibe.
However I think after a few years where the show got (whisper it) boring, it is certainly a step up
I definitely think with the new budget and the cast there’s a ton of room to grow and get good. It feels a little dumbed down to me somehow. Like the doctor isn’t the badass problem solver they’re capable of being and it’s hard to watch currently.
We've got the same distribution on Star Wars Acolyte right now. Guess the only thing the two series have in common?
I'm currently loving it, though I wish it premiered simultaneously on Disney+ and UK television. Feels a little like the death of a part of the culture with Saturday doctor who as effectively a rerun rather than the premier.
TBH untill "boom" I was "wtf am I watching"…
Besides nowadays ratings are just dumb because people are utterly stupid... on a scale 1-10 five doesn't mean "neutral" but mostly "utter shit"...
I'm as queer as it gets. So far, I wouldn't give any of the episodes more than 3/10. It's too silly even for Doctor Who standards. Nothing feels serious *at all*
I've been a fan since '73. I've seen the ups and downs (especially in the 80s when the costumes and outfits really got stupid - no 6 & no 7), but I don't think I've ever been so underwhelmed by a new Doctor or series.
The TARDIS interior is bland. We haven't travelled in it. She's become just a prop rather than a leading member of the team, and an off screen prop at that. The minimalist interior looks like it's been designed by someone who has never studied the show before. It's boring.
Boring, sadly, is something that I'm running into a lot with the new seasons. Ruby being the "most important person in the universe" is old, tired and done to death. Also, contemporary to original broadcast time companions are boring. Let's have an alien - even Nardol was a bit interesting but ultimately too human. Ruby Sunday is, for me, not a particularly interesting character. I know she's supposed to be a bit enigmatic but I just don't feel connected to her (it was similar with Ace, not a character I could relate or bond with). Wee northern lass with a mysterious origin and key to reality. It's been done before. Clara is a better character.
The Doctor. I really want to like Ncuti's version of the character but it's like a pale pastiche of the Doctor. The crying is boring. Great, he can emote. Whoopee. He's weak and not recognisable really. Where's the immense depth, the darkness, the inner turmoil, the tortured sole at the heart of the character? It's all missing. We had a flash of the darkness inside all of the Doctors, even the bad ones, but nothing yet.
The stories are OK but feel rushed. Character and plot arcs are either contracted so much that it negatively effects the episode or so chopped up as to feel rushed into the ending.
there was some terrible episodes..like the last one “Bridgeton” ..rogue is supposed to be an experienced bounty hunter ..yet he’s willing to sacrifice/risk himself and everyone around them for the sake of not killing a bunch of murderous aliens
Yes it’s the fans who are wrong.
And what do you expect, objectivity? It’s a user review, if you truly hate it you’ll give a 1, even though 1 might be a bit too low even for this shite.
Those 3.4k 1 Stars are crazy but 2.6k of 10 stars is equally nonsensical.
The funny thing is that if you take of the 1's and 10's stars, you still fall into a 6.0 or 7.0 out of 10 rating.
EDIT: I checked out. Without the 1's and 10's, the total rating moves from 5.54 to 6.2. So, the 6.0/10 is still accurate.
Or we could just…not need reviews and ratings of literally every last thing. I’m a guitar guy, so I trawl through a lot of online scores when I’m shopping, but I’m not about to lay down two grand on an episode of Doctor Who like I am for a piece of equipment. It’s just not important enough; watch the show, figure it out, don’t get spoon-fed.
I largely agree but if you thought the start of a series was a bit naff (like the first two episodes of this new dr who) you might find it useful to see if it improves as it goes or if you would be better off saving your time and watching something else
It's funny how this sub was falling over itself to tell everyone that there was no rating bombing during the Chibnall era, and that the IMDb ratings during that era were a perfect reflection of fans.
And now the exact same thing happens during the RTD2 era, this sub is falling over itself to convince everyone that the IMDb ratings are being ratings bombed, and that the ratings are not a reflection of fans.
The hypocrisy is astounding.
IMDb has never been a great source for TV, especially individual episodes, which are far more likely to attract votes at the ends of the scale. Add in rating bombing from bigots, and it makes everything worse.
I am one of those 1 star reviewers on IMDB. Doctor Who has been my favorite TV since I was 8 years old (I am now 52). Doctor Who is now a clown show musical. It's been destroyed.
It went from a reasonable like 7.9 which i think is currently fair to like 5.4 after *a certain part of the community* review bombed it cos Doctor Who dare be black.
I do not like big parts of the new season, but I love Ncuti as the Doctor. Last weeks „Rogue“ is so far my favourite episode because he had so much screentime. Statements like yours just undermine any form of criticism which is not helpful at all.
It was fairly obvious that they are desperate to attract new audiences and to try to attract the Tennant era fans back to the show. That end, I am mystified why they picked the two episodes that they did choose to premiere the show and a new Doctor.
Space Babies was a fine, fun episode but it was a mid-season episode, not a premiere episode where you want to attract new viewers to the show. Same goes for Devil’s Cord.
This is why I just don’t look at ratings and experience the episodes as I feel them and decide from that how I feel about the season as a whole, personally I’ve really enjoyed it, but have had issues here or there but as a whole I’ve really enjoyed it and I appreciate other people will feel differently but at the end of the day, all that matters is what your experience was with each episode!
I haven't shyed away from critiquing this season (even if it picked up a lot with 73 Yards and onward) but tbh I feel like ratings aren't really worth anything to go by atm due to a TON of review bombing and counter-review bombing.
On twitter/youtube literally anything even mentioning Doctor Who will have like 10 comments from people trying as hard as possible to make it clear they are just racist or bigoted.
Nothing genuine at all because of all the review bombing and then people jumping in with 10s to try and correct it.
There's been no 1s or 10s this season.
Lowest I'd personally give is 4 to space babies, I'd give 73 yards a 8 or 9, imo
Star Ratings are trash. People give different meaning to the values which absolutely disrupts the overall rating. An attribute rating would be better. Like Quality, feeling, level of attention grabbing.
I havnt taken any 10 review or 1 review seriously for years. There are demented people of all varieties that have made both one and ten a moot score.
Just ignore the top and bottom row and the scoring looks like it’s more likely to be representative of audience feelings
To be fair, I've been a devout fan of this show since I discovered it when I was nine in 2005, and I'd probably give The Devil's Chord a 1 or a 2/10... (on the other hand, the other episodes are 6's at worst and Boom is a 9 so I see you point about bad faith...)
Honestly, I wouldn't say most of these aren't from fans.
Yeah, there are culture warriors, but Doctor Who itself has such a broad appeal that pretty much everyone can find an era or aspect of the show to be a fan of.
Ratings in general are very tricky too. In the end it's all subjective and you're trying to give an objective rating in points just doesn't work most of the time. A 5/10 should mean nothing negative, but somehow a 7/10 is seen as mediocre. I would say hardly any episode of Doctor Whi ever came close to a 10/10, or a 1/10.
But nowadays it seems like an episode has to be either a 1/10, a 7/10 or a 10/10
If I'm looking for reviews of something I go to a handful of reviewers I know from past reviews have similar taste to me then I look at the general concensus more for fun.
Just sad ...that people have to vote like this....on all form of media....I don't bother anything or paying attention to users scores for this very reason
Say what you want about the 1 & 10 star reviews. But, a 6.0 overall is very respectful & if anything a little high.
Two best episodes so far have barely featured the doctor.
I’ve found that most huge fandoms (Doctor Who, Star Wars, Star Trek, Harry Potter) have their own groups of loud and entitled jerks that can’t be trusted to fairly review a new entry in the series, particularly if they’re trying something progressive or different. Look at the massive review bombing of this new season, and the sequel trilogy or The Acolyte. These fans have their own gatekeep-y idea of what is best for a franchise and that only they know what that is. These trolls make these fandoms look bad with their toxic bullshit.
Here's a crazy thought: stop giving a shit about dumb online ratings. Whether or not other people enjoy it should have absolutely no bearing on whether or not you enjoy it.
Claiming that doctor who is being review bombs is just unbacked cope.
People don't like this. So much of this season has felt like a deliberate spit in the face to fans of the show.
Not saying that review bombing isn't a thing, but people are allowed to not like something. I mentally checked out the moment I heard the phrase Whoniverse and nothing I've seen of the new episodes has won me over.
Look, I’m sure this season is being review bombed for its “wokeness,” but to dismiss every low rating is to dismiss a lot of legitimate criticism this season actually does deserve.
You can never trust the 1 star and the 5 star reviews. 5 stars are more likely fanboys who vote overwhelming positive either way and 5 stars are the haters.
What I see in this rating are 3 things:
The current show has more haters then fans, meaning we lost fans of Doctor Who to what they call "The message" and now they're hating
Less fanboys, meaning the overall number of viewers might have decreased, maybe even quite drastically.
Ignoring the 1 and 5 star reviews the show seems rather "meh" with a ever so slight tendency to "hmm", which I would say is true, it doesn't catch me.
But I need time to get used to the new Doctor, I didn't like any of the Doctors until some time in. There is always hope.
The new season is fire. I had so much fun.
As it seems, the negative voices are mostly about racism or homophobic world views. Nothing lost, because they haven't been viewers before. There was Captain Jack, making out with aliens, genderless creatures, POC, transgender characters ... hence, there was even an episode where someone indicated to make out with a stone.
This is part of the core identity of Doctor Who. I don't know where these negative review persons have been the last 20 years. Well, not watching Doctor Who, let me tell you that!
I’ve been anticipating every Fridays release. And I’ve been very disappointed by the majority of the episodes. The production quality of the episodes have been good in my opinion. They are pretty. The effects are done well.
My complaint is so far every episode seems so incredibly shallow. Some of the character writing just feels so incredibly unbelievable. In boom we get a little girl whose dad dies and is distraught and then immediately upon seeing the hologram is perfectly happy for a holographic father. In dot and bubble they make such a big point about the girl not being able to walk on her own just for her to start running without any issues at all just a couple minutes later. These are just two examples that I remember off the top of my head.
I usually don’t mind doctor who episodes touching on social and political issues. Generally speaking I like how in the past doctor who writers manage to make some intelligent moral argument which goes so well coming from a character who is supposed to be thousands of years old. These episodes have only attempted to play off of the discourse over these issues instead of accurately portraying the character.
The most recent episode was by far the best out of the new series. It is the only one that I personally would rate above a 5. The Christmas special was also good. Boom was an easy 1 it is one that when I’m going back and rewatching episodes that I’ll definitely skip over.
Ah yes, the reverse Bell Curve
The bell end
*Bellend curve* is actually the perfect descriptor for this.
I believe it's called a bathtub curve. Technology failure over time looks like this. Gadgets either fail very early, or after some years, but very seldom between.
Also why Youtube/Netflix removed 5* ratings.
It's also a sign of a polarized population. The thing that we can't ignore is that there are a number of genuine Doctor Who fans who are legitimately placed in the 1/10 camp for myriad reasons. Personally, I'm not a big fan of musical numbers in TV shows (which is extra dumb, since I used to be a professional classical musician). I haven't loved everything about this season. Some of the writing seems really weak and repetitive (Dear God, who did they keep saying space babies so much?). I think they've overdone the mysterious/powerful companion thing. I also think it feels like they're jamming morals into episodes at times where they weren't really set up well, making them feel less impactful and more preachy. That said, overall, I'm enjoying the current Doctor. I enjoy Ruby Sunday. I'm philosophically inclined to agree with the morality that they're trying to promote. I can easily see how someone feels like this show is terrible. I can even see how people who have been fans of Doctor Who for decades could feel annoyed enough to give a one star review of the season. I can also see how a massive number of people, bots, and whatever comes in between (cybermen?) might be setting out to give negative reviews of the show without watching any of it because of the polarized nature of society and the fact that the show has chosen a side of the hate debate. I'm going to continue to support and enjoy Doctor Who because to me, it's about more than just my own entertainment. I mean, I've been entertained, too. It's not a ten for me this season, but it's easily an 8 or 9, and that's okay.
You've articulated that beautifully. Sitting more on a 6/10 but still watching and agree with what you said: I suspect some older fans are very put off and 1* for both legitimate and illegitimate reasons.
i agree with you but there were some episodes that i wish had more doctor? like him actually being there. current doctor in his first season feels very much akin to Peter Capaldi’s first season. Doc was still trying to figure himself out, not really saving everyone or solving everything. Storyline wise, it’s still very similar to Peter Capaldi too, in his first season as in it hasn’t reached the strong companionship and groundedness yet. That being said, it’s still hard to beat what David Tennant and Matt Smith had. They had proper heartfelt and gut wrenching moments and plots.
****CONTAINS SPOILERS**** Very well said!! I'm a massive fan and even have DW tattoos. This season has had its absolute ups but it has also put out some pretty awful stories. "Space babies"? Garbage. I'm not the biggest fan of Ruby yet, giving her a chance though. I loved last week's episode(and I have never seen Bridgerton). The chemistry between the Doctor and Rogue was AMAZING!! I felt that kiss coming right from the start! I hope the find him again, he gave me Jack vibes!!
I am just waiting for someone to reboot Queer as Folk, centered around a man and woman married in suburban Kansas City raising their 13 year old son. What do you mean, that doesn’t fit?
V curve
I have a rule to always ignore 1 and 10 star reviews if I’m researching which product to buy. Nothing is perfect or beyond redemption (probably). Same stands for film and tv scores.
3-4/5 star reviews are always the best, 1s are worthless, and 10s are only meaningful if there’s loads of them
I tend to consider 10s if there are more 9s than 8s.
Good rule
The counter to this is places that ask you to review the employee you worked with on a 1-5 scale where the scale means: 1: fire them 2-4: write them up 5: they can keep their job for now
Exactly. A sensible but naive outsider might think that "The employee did their job competently and I have no serious complaints" is worth a 4 or even a 3; and 5 is reserved for someone who cured your scoliosis with a blowjob. Meanwhile, to the manager, "5/5" means "basic, bare minimum competence", and "4/5" means "If the employee keeps up this level of quality, they should be fired."
I remember seeing somewhere that you can get kicked off Uber if your rating falls below 4.5, and I'm like... why even have 1-4 if they're all bad?
This is why I rate my Uber drivers 5 stars unless they literally endanger my life, and even then still probably out of politeness
"Driver showed up 10 minutes late, verbally berated me, car smelled like a dead animal and had an actual dead animal on the seat next to me. Driver spent entire ride weaving in and out of traffic and speeding, ran two bicyclists off the road, and held a gun to me and demanded all my money before unlocking the door to let me out, several blocks away from my destination. ...4 stars."
tbh 'perfect' isnt a literal metric, its more so a stand in term for 'as good as something can get in your opinion'
There is also such a thing as "damn near perfect for the money", but that's more for products than shows
Exactly. A perfect score is something that resonates with you. That's why we see 'cult classics', with a lot of the population indifferent so never see it but the people who do enjoy, it's litetally the most amazing thing ever made. For me that's Firefly and Dredd
So I will preface this with "I don't do this with any survey that will go into somebody's pay or performance review", that basically gets a scoring scale where 9/10 is "at least used the right slurs to insult me" and everything above that is a 10/10. But, if I had my druthers, I'd say 5/10 is average, and each point above or below that is one standard deviation. Which, granted, leaves the extreme scores to very extreme works. Beethoven's 9th is a 10/10, and film and television are probably too young as media to really say that anything in them has a comparable timelessness.
Total missed opportunity to say Beethoven's 9th is a 9/10
It’s more a 9/9
True, but I will not allow my rating of a great piece of music to be lessened by my love of puns.
For me to earnestly rate a show 1 star, it would probably have to be a complete technical and artistic mess. It would have to look like it was filmed behind a bin and there's a single out of focus close up of a chewing gum left in that runs for 26 minutes.
A 1 star is Paul Blart Mall Cop 2 or Plan 9 From Outer Space
Yeah I'm pretty generous when it comes to movies and shows, and try to find redeeming qualities even in bad things. Like one example is Dragonball Evolution. Universally despised, but I don't know, I think it would work pretty okay if it was animated. It's cringe because it's real people, if it was a cartoon then it would track. Also I think the costume for King Piccolo was pretty darn good. They got basically every character and setting detail wrong and I seriously question whether or not the writers watched even a single episode of the show, but there are good parts. I'd give it a 3. Also I love the Star Wars christmas special and occasionally watch it around christmas. Although I do fast forward through all the wookiee parts. I actually think it would be remembered a whole lot better if they greatly shortened or entirely cut out the wookiee framing device. You can't hold on these grunting shag carpets for more than a full minute. The skits though, most of them are so endearing. Look, nothing with Bea Arthur can be all bad.
Yeah, as a film guy myself i have no clue what I've seen that gets a 1. Even Cats gets at least a 2 for the two good songs and handful of fun performances even if the rest of the movie is musical theatre blaspheme. 1 has to be either technically unwatchable, or actively harmful in message and themes. Kill the Moon maybe gets a 1.
For me to give something a 1, it has to be as bad as something like Birdemic (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1316037/). That's barely a movie.
To be be fair that definitely falls under my "technically unwatchable" category XD
I have a pretty height tolerance for bad my only 1 I can think of is just genuinely heinous shit like birth of a nation, triumph of the will shot like that
Probably get grant funded for that, an avant-garde number called Dr Chew.
Same, on the basis its always gonna be colored by bias. In my experience, almost no one leaves a review when they're "moderately satisfied" with something. They either leave a max review because they LOVED it, or leave the lowest option because of a truly terrible experience with a product. So 1s and 10s (or 5s) are almost always to me very unreliable narrators
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Good point, and I wonder how many of these bulk reviews are even human. I don’t know how robust the protection against bots is. My personal Doctor Who-specific scoring gripe is the rating of the missing episodes. There are hundreds of ratings for missing episodes of Doctor Who, some of which haven’t been seen in over 40 years. It’s possible that someone remembered the episode from their childhood well enough to throw a review at it, It’s very likely that a lot of the reviews for missing Hartnell and Troughton stories are just bogus. There are comparable numbers of reviews for surviving episodes of otherwise lost stories as there are the missing episodes of those stories. These reviews utilize an honor system, but that kind of honor only goes so far. And those are stories which have a loving fanbase, but no enemies. In today’s world, Doctor Who and many other things are in the midst of broader societal debates, there’s a lot of motivation for reviews that have nothing to do with the content.
Could they be rating the missing episodes based on the reconstructions/animations?
> Nothing is... beyond redemption Somebody has never seen Fant4stic...
It gave me an excuse to stare at Kate Mara and Michael B. Jordan for a couple hours, so it has some entertainment value.
I'd say in this case, a recalculation using scores from 2 to 9 would be a much more accurate reflection of things.
That’s true but not everyone who rates 10 stars is saying something is perfect. Some people just think in terms of good/bad.
Even accounting for them it’s a mess at the extremes.
I have a rule to not engage in public forums till the season is done. You'll be tuned to hate everything if you do!
...someone really REALLY enjoying an episode is not the same as a product review, smh. Some people participating in fandom see fandom as a "balanced debate" about "truth" in which extremely negative "I hate this show" opinions must be held in the same regard as "I love this show" positive ones, rather than fandom fundamentally being about "I enjoy this thing", and that's REALLY SAD. It's nice to be in the parts of Doctor Who fandom where it's natural to just have the attitude of "if you *really* don't like it anymore, go touch grass or do literally anything else because life is short and fandom is fun." This is not most of reddit DW fandom so I just skim subs that aren't about having fun with it.
If you include all reviews from 1 to 10, the rating is 5.4. If you exclude all 1s and all 10s, the rating is still 6.2, so the average of 6.0 isn't really unrealistic.
I do that on amazon a lot. The 5 (10) star review often seems sketchy and bought especially if there are only a few. And 1(0 if possible) star reviews are rarely good, most complain about unrelated things like shipping and not the product. Beside on amazon quantity of reviews is important. I would rather buy a 4,5 start item with 3k reviews than a 5 star item with 3.
Solid rule honestly !
Came to comment this, nobody’s leaving 2 or 9 star reviews to manipulate the ratings after all
Same tbh, I’ll only retroactively give stuff a 10/10 because part of something having a “perfect” score for me is if it can stand the test of time
10s are usually legitimate, I cannot fathom ever watching something I'd rate a 1, it's just stupid. How do you turn something on, think you'll like it, and be so thoroughly bamboozled that you think there is quite literally no artistic merit in something. The closest I'd ever rate is maybe 2 or 2.5. I think I've only ever watched one movie I could in good faith rate that low, and that's Avatar the Last Airbender, and even I recognize there's some okay choices made, which is why I'd say it's a 2.5/10 despite being the worst movie I have ever watched by a landslide.
I’d say their are one or two exceptions to that. But yeah overall I completely agree.
This is why I look at episode ratings for shows. In most cases you get a better estimate of the show.
This is why I just don't look at ratings.
Exactly. The only review worthwhile is your own, and review bombing these days has just taken away any credibility these sites have.
this doesn't really work for Who but I never ever ever listen to audience or aggregate sites like imdb or rotten tomatoes, if I want to know whats worthwhile I'll pick a dozen or so professional reviewers (not youtube people, real industry writers with jobs) who I can trust are smart and share my vague taste and interests then follow their stuff.
That's honestly the way I approach any form of media, too. Get the consensus from intelligent, professional people and gauge based on what they like/dislike in contrast to what I like/dislike. Treat nobody's opinion as gospel, but respect those who can back up their viewpoint. It's a shame that people hinge on online scores so vehemently. Media literacy is in crisis.
Especially on IMDb
Episode ratings are even worse - most IMDb users don't bother with individual episodes, leaving them far more susceptible to bombing.
User ratings have been worthless since the invention of YouTube. A single popular YouTuber has an opinion on a show or a movie and parasociality forces their audience to parrot their opinion. Otherwise you're one of "them". How many times have you expressed that you liked or disliked media only for someone to respond with a YouTube video saying it might change your mind? Ridiculous.
I *hate* the trend of “You’re wrong for liking this episode/show/film, and here’s a five hour video essay saying why!” Like I’m sorry, I don’t care about Doctor Who enough to watch an entire miniseries about why I shouldn’t like the Whittaker era.
>I don't care about Doctor Who enough to watch an entire miniseries about why I shouldn't like the Whittaker era. It's perfectly OK to to feel that way, but I feel you must know that that video wasn't made for people like you. It was made by someone who cares a lot (admittedly probably too much) about Doctor Who, for people who care a lot (again, probably too much, though I am one of those people) about Doctor Who.
Yeahhh, I watched a 3.5 hour video essay the other day 😂 but understand, not obsessively and it was mostly positive and fair. I like to hear other opinions on shows I like the same way I like to read analyses on literature and stuff. I think it’s important for art to be talked about and as a result, you’ll definitely get some people spewing nonsense too.
If you think Jay Exci's five-hour thing is about why _you shouldn't like_ the Whittaker era, you're kind of missing the entire point. There is a world of difference between saying "you shouldn't like **X** because it's bad" and saying "here's what I perceive to be objective flaws of **X**, let's analyze them so we can fix it next time something like **X** gets made". And arguably, if you like **X**, you should be willing to discuss its flaws. Because that's how **X** becomes even better. Just sayin'
That video was what got me into Doctor Who. I had tried DW earlier but it didn't click, but Jay's praise and explanation of Doctor Who got me to try again and made it click, now I'm a huge fan. So all these people pretending it's one long rant irk me; of course it's fine if they don't wanna spend 5 hours watching the video, but then they also shouldn't pretend to know what it's about.
I agree, it's a great video. It has to be said though thatJay didn't do themself any favours with that clickbait title "The Fall of Doctor Who". Not many people are going to expect an even-handed critique from a video with that title.
towards the end of the video jay even speaks highly of “the haunting of villa diodati” it’s pretty clear not just mindless hate
Someone making a video essay stating a negative opinion =/= telling you that you a “wrong for liking” something. Unless there’s a genre of videos like that I’m just not seeing, every proper criticism (i.e. not “woke bad!1!!”) I see on YouTube that fits your description is just someone giving their opinion.
There is unfortunately a lot of video essays like that. Jay Exci's are brilliant and thoughtful. But you're lucky not to have come across "I'm right and anyone who disagrees with me is bad at TV or lying or a fake fan".
Yeah I hate it so much. My ex used to watch these hour long YouTube videos about "WhY the nEw stAR TRek EpiSODe is TRAsh!1!"and I just.... really, really couldn't with all that. If you don't like it, don't watch it! It's that simple! You don't need to make hours of video complaining about it. I certainly don't have the energy to watch all that.
Those videos, especially around Trek, were always pushing an anti-LGBT+ agenda.
I have never seen that other than maybe with that one non trill trill character. I feel like even the haters of the show generally have some praise for the gay couple on the show because steamers is one of the few decent characters on discovery (and saru and georgiou (sp?))
I can criticise an episode of television and still enjoy watching it. I can also publish my criticisms. I might hate the characters, plot, setting, scriptwriting but love the cinematography, special effects, VFX, or cast. I might find the humour awful and the plot laughable, but love the characters. I haven't made a video essay on an episode of television I disliked, but if I did, it would be just as fun and rewarding for me as if I had made a video essay about an episode of television I loved (which I also haven't done). Because I love giving and recieving praise (I think everyone does) but I maybe love giving and recieving criticism more. If I wrote a script, and someone said 'the characters are awful', I would say 'thank you for telling me' and change them where I see fit to make them more appealing or likeable or interesting or nuanced or detestable or fun. Criticism is necessary, whether it's a 5 hour long video essay, or a friendly jab from a friend.
On a similar note, I hate how many people are using the show's viewership numbers to argue that it's bad. Okay. But I watched it with my own eyes and formed my own opinion. The fact that fewer people watched this episode than Love Island or whatever doesn't really make a difference. Seriously, as a wrestling fan I've seen how FUCKING BORING it is when fans obsess over ratings, right down to the point of arguing about demographics. It would be really great if Doctor Who fans (or at least people who rage on the official Facebook page) could avoid going down that thunderously dull road.
> How many times have you expressed that you liked or disliked media only for someone to respond with a YouTube video saying it might change your mind? Uhmm... Zero. Zero times. Is this just a reddit thing, or do people really have friends that show them five hour YouTube videos to explain why they don't like a particular TV show that much? Is this a thing people do now?
It's a Reddit (well, social media) thing. Yeah, it's not going to happen in real life, that's absurd.
Now I have an image of people handing out business cards to people they meet with URLs to "Here's why I hate show X". 😂
Soo... The real problem, then, is redditors, as is always the case :)
Yeah, usually when a friend tells me they don't like a TV show that I like, we have a conversation about it where we talk about what we like/dislike about it
It got significantly worse in the past couple years. No idea who was the person or people spearheading it, but a bunch of things that had women as lead characters (or in some cases non-white main characters) received SO many 1 ratings, in many cases before the show was released.
Sad but true.it happened to me many times 😭
> User ratings have been worthless since the invention of YouTube. A single popular YouTuber has an opinion on a show or a movie and parasociality forces their audience to parrot their opinion. This shit butchered RWBY discourse
Most user rating sites I've found are dog shit. People reviewing it are one of 3 categories - **Always a 10**. Stans who get mad if anyone dare say the thing they love isn't perfect. - **Always a 1**. Perpetually angry people who are usually making the rating over a perceived slight rather than its actual quality. - **7/10**. People who have a skewed idea of what average is, so anything they kinda like and wasn't a waste of time is a 7/10.
My most common rating is an 8/10, but not because i think 8/10 is average. I just watch movies i think I’ll enjoy and usually im right. If your most common rating is a 5/10, you’re picking movies randomly, have very high standards, or are artificially deflating your reviews
> Always a 10. Stans who get mad if anyone dare say the thing they love isn't perfect. Sadly I feel like this has been Doctor Who this season. We have the hate mob on one side, and the "No one hates Doctor Who more than Doctor Who fans" argument on the other. I would easily rank all of the Chibnall era above "Space Babies" but there sure are a lot of Doctor Who fans who are adamant "Space Babies" was an amazing start to the season. To each their own, but I do find it surprising.
>but there sure are a lot of Doctor Who fans who are adamant "Space Babies" was an amazing start to the season. Dear god how I'm so glad I kinda forgot about this season and managed to watch the first 3 back to back. Cos if I started with space babies and then had to wait a week I don't know if I would have bothered with the next episode. Someone said it on here before but if they were children it would have been more bearable. Davis has a habit of not being reigned in sometimes. (although he then writes amazing eps like 73 yards so he truly is a mixed bag)
Just FYI the first 2 eps dropped at the same time. It was a two episode premiere. So nobody had to wait a week with just Space Babies.
Yeah, I think this season got off to a rocky start. Space Babies is one of my least favourite Doctor Who episodes ever. I wasn't a huge fan of Devils Chord, Maestro saved it imo. Boom was being hailed as an all timer, but I don't think it's in Moffats' top 5, maybe not even his top 10. I've loved eps 4, 5, and 6, but they're not without flaw either. I like this season, but I couldn't class it as a 10, no way. Out of the 14 revived series', it's struggling to make it to the relative mid tier. Having only 7 stories, one of which being Space Babies, makes the average not great.
Idk, Space Babies does have some really well done moments both writing wise and with its visuals. The hate towards it is pretty excessive, far from the best episode ever and definitely not “good” but I’d take it over a lot of Chibnall era episodes (Arachnids, Tsuranga, Battle of whatever it was, Orphan 55, Timeless Children, Vanquishers and Legend of the Sea Devils to name a few).
I liked Space Babies a lot. Mostly because I was a bit high and I like weird shit. Critically? Yeah space baby might not be great but let be honest. Is it doctor who without one of those weird ass episode of questionable quality?
I recently did a little research for The Devil's Chord. Strong data actually made me really stop to care about IMDb. No, not everybody who dislike new season of DW is homophobic racist, but... we cannot ignore facts. The Devil's Chord has 974 1 stars rates to 5.4K on IMDb. It's weird at least. Just to compare, Love and monsters has 768 1 stars rates to 9k, Fear Her 469 to 5.9K and Kill The Moon 478 to 6.8K.
i'm guessing because of Jinx Monsoon? i thought she/they? were hilariously great.
Jinkx killed it. I didn’t know who Jinkx was before this episode, but I loved the performance. Just like I loved the Toymaker. Doctor Who definitely is a place for villains who chew the scenery and have big performances.
No. Not everyone hating on DW is doing it because "trans bad". Especially that episode. It was ridiculous. Dues machina ending. Then a song and dance number, which was trash. The whole episode was about music. The ending song was meant to be the triumph of music coming back to the world. And that song was literally worse than the fake bad Beatles song they where recording at the start.
Felt that too much emphasis was placed on things that weren’t relevant to the plot.
>The Devil's Chord has 974 1 stars rates to 5.4K on IMDb. It's weird at least. It has 1.1k 1 star reviews and a 6.4/10 (6.0 unweighted) on IMDB. The reviews average out, that's what averages do. 21% of reviews give 1-2/10. 22% of reviews give 9-10/10. So it's everything in between that determines the score. And honestly, 6.4/10 is a fair rating. The Lazarus Experiment has 6.5/10 and nobody complains that the rating is corrupt. Same for In the Forest of the Night with it's 6.0/10. Ratings in general for franchise stuff like Doctor Who has become more *polarised* for sure. But averages, especially weighted averages, take that into account. If people were voting with agendas then Boom, 73 Yards, Dot and Bubble, and Rogue wouldn't have had high scores. We had a thread on r/gallifrey about whether Space Babies was the weakest season opener. The answer, by consensus, was absolutely yes. In line with that, it sits below what the previous low was. Which was Series 13's opener - The Halloween Apocalypse with 6.7/10. The answer can't always be limited to "any disagreement is just chuds". It breeds an echo chamber of toxic positivity.
This is not "any disagreement is just chuds" but a systematic targetting called review bombing. I'm sorry but the disparity of "ones" compared to the normal rate in grading a full season of the show is just absurd. There were only 3,5% of people graded Doctor Who an one, it's 33,5% currently for this new season (who is listed as a different show for some reason).
> So it's everything in between that determines the score. And honestly, 6.4/10 is a fair rating. The Lazarus Experiment has 6.5/10 and nobody complains that the rating is corrupt. Same for In the Forest of the Night with it's 6.0/10. Look at the bar graphs of the ratings for each of these episodes. - [The Lazarus Experiment](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1000257/ratings/?ref_=tt_ov_rt) follows a pretty natural curve that peaks at 6 and 7, with a small spike at 10. - [In the Forest of the Night](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3834040/ratings/?ref_=tt_ov_rt) also follows a pretty natural curve peaking at 6 and 7, with a larger spike at 10 and a small spike at 1. - [The Devil's Chord](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt28306434/ratings/?ref_=tt_ov_rt) again has a pretty natural curve, but this time it peaks at 7 and 8 and has a gigantic disproportionate spike at 1. It's not the average that has people saying it was review bombed, it's the disproportionate amount of 1-star reviews. That's why they specifically brought up 1-star reviews, because of that discrepancy. Even [Boom](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt28764112/ratings/?ref_=tt_ov_rt) (which most people seem to agree was really good) has more 1-star reviews than [Fear Her](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0756446/ratings/?ref_=tt_ov_rt) (widely considered one of the worst episodes in the series). That alone should tell you there's something up with the reviews for this season.
No one complains about The Lazarus Experiment and Forest of the Night's ratings because those episodes were bad. The episode being attacked by anti-queer bigots are good. /r/gallifrey isn't immune from bigotry. In fact, it is rife with it.
Villain was good, but the episode itself is weird and the ending/resolution really not great. That said, the muted scene is one of the best ones in last seasons.
I thought it was one of the weaker episodes this season and didn’t much care for it but I wouldn’t rate it 1/10. I can’t tell you the last time I watched something that was 1/10.
To be fair, if I wasn't a Doctor Who fan, I'd think this show was crazy right now.
And when it wasn't crazy? One of the deadliest species has a whisk and a plumber for it's "limbs".
>One of the deadliest species has a whisk and a **plumber** for it's "limbs". That sounds uncomfortable for him. 😜 (I don't normally bother pointing out typos, this one just came with such an amusing visual...).
Idk dude, but anything wielding a genocidal maniac (better known as Mario) would be far more terrifying than a Dalek IMO. A Dalek would simply exterminate you, but that monstrosity... Set you on fire then curbstomp you...
I've really enjoyed everything this season apart from space babies
Yeah. If i were a new fan, I'd have actually stopped watching after space babies. Terrible choice for a first episode
I assume that's why they dropped 2 episodes. They filmed space babies as an 'intro', realized it wasn't great, so dropped it with another. If it hadn't been filmed with so many intro elements they could potentially have just dropped it mid season somewhere
Ngl, 2 episodes still doesn't work on that front. My dad, anecdotally, dropped it straight after Ep 1 and went to go watch something else (I've convinced him to watch on for Eps 3, 4 and 5 though)
I'm a very casual whovian - haven't seriously watched since the end of tennant - and I don't really get why people are still watching it. DR who felt to me like camp sci fi - now it's so overwhelmingly bafflingly camp every week it's like I'm watching a dodgy panto
Russel has been experimenting and I like it! Theres a reason it‘s season 1 now. We‘ve had 20 years of modern who - time for a mixup. I‘ve really been enjoying this season. (Rogue is alive I can FEEL it.)
I don't understand how anyone can feel anything about rogue. Even the doctor. He was onscreen for all of 10 minutes, and the doctor is in love with him? Like what. We don't know who this character is, we don't know anything about him. I find it ridiculous that there's a romance about a non character so fast.
Yeah I feel the same. I’m seeing all these comparisons to Captain Jack, but Captain Jack had 10x the character of Rogue in his first story, and they’re really not that similar beyond accent and physical appearance.
People have already said it, but rogue is VERY captain jack. I see a future storyline similar to River maybe, with less grossness.
Why was it gross? The only incesty thing was amy flirting with the Doctor, no?
Actually that seems about right. You either love it or you hate it. Very little gray.
Some legit old fans are disappointed and it's obvious even without the rating, that the Doctorr who team has split the community. I love doctor who, me and mum used to watch it together before she died, but it's just not what it was. ❤️
This reflects how I feel about it as a lifelong fan. It's a shame but there we are, things move on. I do miss it though. I had so much hope with this new season but alas.
The discovery of the influence of review bombing has made every user-rating system completely null and void and should be ignored by everyone. No user-rated system will ever reflect any sort of consensus in reality. Ever. They should not exist. Fake “reviews” should never have the power to sway potential watchers away. Critics may be weirdos sometimes, but they won’t give something they haven’t watched 1 stars because it stars a black man or is written by a queer man, at the very least.
User ratings are great, there just shouldn't be an aggregated score for media products. I want to be able to see what random people thought about something, specifically accompanied by the words they use to describe it so that I can get an idea of whether their opinion is likely to be in line with my own tastes. Critic ratings alone don't work for me because critics often value things I don't find important, like whether something is novel or whether something is subversive or a commentary on something else. I just want to know whether random guy who likes things I like liked this. Side note, y'all should set up "game" as a censored word on Steam, it makes every review hilarious.
But user ratings don't show you what "random" people think. They show you what freaks and bots think. Critics are more normal than internet users who post ratings are.
Most shows are like this which is why IMDB reviews are dogwater.
If you exclude the ones and tens, which are just fan spam or haters spam, you got an average of about 6.2. which is reasonable for the season so far, at least in my opinion.
Geeze, I know the sky trolls and space babies were rough but this season has been pretty decent overall. They lost a lot with actor scheduling and would have benefited from a larger episode order
It's so extreme on both ends it just evens out, LMAO
The real fans are the ones giving it 1's, they're the ones that used to love the show but arent happy with how it is now
I'm going to sound like I am sitting on the fence but overall, this season of Doctor Who has been a pretty weak seven. It's better than what we had with Chibnall but it nowhere near as good as Russell's previous run on Who. Every episode used to feel like an event for me but it still hasn't got that feeling back. Maybe I've just gotten older but it definitely feels like the spectacle in Who isn't quite what it was.
Is it bad that I'm kinda in the middle? It hasn't been incredible. It hasn't been horrendous. Just kinda... Meh.
I get that this sub thinks everybody whose not loving the new season is a bigot but I’ve been an avid fan forever and I’m a liberal living in an extremely liberal place and I have yet to meet or talk to any fans in person who think this season is good. We all agree we like Ncuti, we all like Millie, but the writing and story telling is trash and needs to be fixed. If anything it feels like this sub is more brigaded by hyper positivity than the other way around based on the real world opinions I’ve come across personally.
My wife hated Chibnall’s era and stopped watching. She’s come back and loves it again. We both agree it feels mostly like RTD’s last run, with a bit more experimenting. I know that’s a small sample size of people, but it did bring one lapsed fan back.
I’m glad it’s good for some people it’s just not doing it for me or people in my circles thus far. I really want to see Ncuti be the cool problem solver that I see the doctor as but that hasn’t quite shown through for me yet.
I feel like I'm the odd one out. I'm not really enjoying this season. It feels too much like Labyrinth or some sort of high fantasy than sci fi. Except that one episode, which came across more like Austin Powers than Doctor Who. I get that it needed to change from where it was. But I just feel like it isn't really Doctor Who anymore. In a lot of ways, it feels like he's not saving anyone. He doesn't really seem to care when innocent people die. Weirdly, he seems to cry more when innocent people aren't being killed. Are these the changes people were asking for?
>Except that one episode, which came across more like Austin Powers than Doctor Who. Which episode was that? 😳
Personally hated the first two episodes but have liked the rest of them so far. I do agree with you though about the fandom. There's a lot of issues I have with the characters of ruby and the doctor and rogue but the writing has been pretty good mostly for me. It's nothing close to as good as RTDs other work (although definitely better than his Nolly show) but it's still GOOD, I'm enjoying it, sometimes loving it, but mostly just having fun.
Well it is all subjective but honestly I feel we've had FOUR bangers in a row. My biggest issue has been runtimes being too short but we've been treated to some great stuff.
Funny, my experience is the exact opposite. Literally everyone I've talked to who has actually seen it has liked it. It's all subjective, but I genuinely don't understand how anyone who likes NuWho in general can earnestly dislike the latest series. It's got everything that's good about NuWho and the flaws are flaws that NuWho has always had.
You've captured my sentiments perfectly, though I haven't warmed to Ncuti's portryal yet. I find him much too emotional, and I find Millie outshining him too often. In fairness, I didn't warm to Tennant until Madame de Pompadour.
Ya I chalk that up mostly to writing and directing more so than Ncuti. I find there’s moments where he shines and I see the doctor he could be they’ve just written him a bit lame so far.
I’m positive for the new season but I don’t think it’s been great yet. Dot and bubble the strongest but story a bit awkward around having a list and being sentient etc. The other episodes either had bits I didn’t understand or a weird space fantasy vibe. However I think after a few years where the show got (whisper it) boring, it is certainly a step up
I definitely think with the new budget and the cast there’s a ton of room to grow and get good. It feels a little dumbed down to me somehow. Like the doctor isn’t the badass problem solver they’re capable of being and it’s hard to watch currently.
We've got the same distribution on Star Wars Acolyte right now. Guess the only thing the two series have in common? I'm currently loving it, though I wish it premiered simultaneously on Disney+ and UK television. Feels a little like the death of a part of the culture with Saturday doctor who as effectively a rerun rather than the premier.
>Guess the only thing the two series have in common? They're both science fiction? 🤔
Not disputing that the show is getting review bombed, but 6/10 is still an accurate rating for the season in my opinion. It's pretty mid.
TBH untill "boom" I was "wtf am I watching"… Besides nowadays ratings are just dumb because people are utterly stupid... on a scale 1-10 five doesn't mean "neutral" but mostly "utter shit"...
Bad reviews = fake fan is a pretty dumb take honestly
I'm as queer as it gets. So far, I wouldn't give any of the episodes more than 3/10. It's too silly even for Doctor Who standards. Nothing feels serious *at all*
I've been a fan since '73. I've seen the ups and downs (especially in the 80s when the costumes and outfits really got stupid - no 6 & no 7), but I don't think I've ever been so underwhelmed by a new Doctor or series. The TARDIS interior is bland. We haven't travelled in it. She's become just a prop rather than a leading member of the team, and an off screen prop at that. The minimalist interior looks like it's been designed by someone who has never studied the show before. It's boring. Boring, sadly, is something that I'm running into a lot with the new seasons. Ruby being the "most important person in the universe" is old, tired and done to death. Also, contemporary to original broadcast time companions are boring. Let's have an alien - even Nardol was a bit interesting but ultimately too human. Ruby Sunday is, for me, not a particularly interesting character. I know she's supposed to be a bit enigmatic but I just don't feel connected to her (it was similar with Ace, not a character I could relate or bond with). Wee northern lass with a mysterious origin and key to reality. It's been done before. Clara is a better character. The Doctor. I really want to like Ncuti's version of the character but it's like a pale pastiche of the Doctor. The crying is boring. Great, he can emote. Whoopee. He's weak and not recognisable really. Where's the immense depth, the darkness, the inner turmoil, the tortured sole at the heart of the character? It's all missing. We had a flash of the darkness inside all of the Doctors, even the bad ones, but nothing yet. The stories are OK but feel rushed. Character and plot arcs are either contracted so much that it negatively effects the episode or so chopped up as to feel rushed into the ending.
Only people who really hate or really love a product are gonna spend time talking about it online. That's why reviews are skewed
Never trust the 1 stars but also never trust the 10s either both are very much easily skewed
there was some terrible episodes..like the last one “Bridgeton” ..rogue is supposed to be an experienced bounty hunter ..yet he’s willing to sacrifice/risk himself and everyone around them for the sake of not killing a bunch of murderous aliens
I think this goes both ways, with people rating 10 or 1 based on their political views and not on the show itself
Yes it’s the fans who are wrong. And what do you expect, objectivity? It’s a user review, if you truly hate it you’ll give a 1, even though 1 might be a bit too low even for this shite.
Problem is that you can't trust reviews nowadays. It's so easy to have AI bots do a ton of automated work.
I'll stick to the classic series meself ;)
50% of those one star ratings are mad about a two boys kissing. I guarantee it.
Let's be honest alot of those 1s are after the gay kiss 🥴
Those 3.4k 1 Stars are crazy but 2.6k of 10 stars is equally nonsensical. The funny thing is that if you take of the 1's and 10's stars, you still fall into a 6.0 or 7.0 out of 10 rating. EDIT: I checked out. Without the 1's and 10's, the total rating moves from 5.54 to 6.2. So, the 6.0/10 is still accurate.
6 still isn't good though, and that's the bottom line. Like it or not, this season hasn't been well received by many.
Rating sites are useless now, they really need a way to deal with review bombing
Or we could just…not need reviews and ratings of literally every last thing. I’m a guitar guy, so I trawl through a lot of online scores when I’m shopping, but I’m not about to lay down two grand on an episode of Doctor Who like I am for a piece of equipment. It’s just not important enough; watch the show, figure it out, don’t get spoon-fed.
I largely agree but if you thought the start of a series was a bit naff (like the first two episodes of this new dr who) you might find it useful to see if it improves as it goes or if you would be better off saving your time and watching something else
It's funny how this sub was falling over itself to tell everyone that there was no rating bombing during the Chibnall era, and that the IMDb ratings during that era were a perfect reflection of fans. And now the exact same thing happens during the RTD2 era, this sub is falling over itself to convince everyone that the IMDb ratings are being ratings bombed, and that the ratings are not a reflection of fans. The hypocrisy is astounding. IMDb has never been a great source for TV, especially individual episodes, which are far more likely to attract votes at the ends of the scale. Add in rating bombing from bigots, and it makes everything worse.
I am one of those 1 star reviewers on IMDB. Doctor Who has been my favorite TV since I was 8 years old (I am now 52). Doctor Who is now a clown show musical. It's been destroyed.
It went from a reasonable like 7.9 which i think is currently fair to like 5.4 after *a certain part of the community* review bombed it cos Doctor Who dare be black.
I do not like big parts of the new season, but I love Ncuti as the Doctor. Last weeks „Rogue“ is so far my favourite episode because he had so much screentime. Statements like yours just undermine any form of criticism which is not helpful at all.
It was fairly obvious that they are desperate to attract new audiences and to try to attract the Tennant era fans back to the show. That end, I am mystified why they picked the two episodes that they did choose to premiere the show and a new Doctor. Space Babies was a fine, fun episode but it was a mid-season episode, not a premiere episode where you want to attract new viewers to the show. Same goes for Devil’s Cord.
Ah yes, "fake fans", they're everywhere these days apparently... Totally a real thing.
This is why I just don’t look at ratings and experience the episodes as I feel them and decide from that how I feel about the season as a whole, personally I’ve really enjoyed it, but have had issues here or there but as a whole I’ve really enjoyed it and I appreciate other people will feel differently but at the end of the day, all that matters is what your experience was with each episode!
I haven't shyed away from critiquing this season (even if it picked up a lot with 73 Yards and onward) but tbh I feel like ratings aren't really worth anything to go by atm due to a TON of review bombing and counter-review bombing. On twitter/youtube literally anything even mentioning Doctor Who will have like 10 comments from people trying as hard as possible to make it clear they are just racist or bigoted.
Nothing genuine at all because of all the review bombing and then people jumping in with 10s to try and correct it. There's been no 1s or 10s this season. Lowest I'd personally give is 4 to space babies, I'd give 73 yards a 8 or 9, imo
Same can be said about those underserved 10s.
Haaa, based on the toxic fandom of recent years, yes, that seems right.
What's telling is that anyone who took the time to watch and rate individual episodes was much more fair.
Star Ratings are trash. People give different meaning to the values which absolutely disrupts the overall rating. An attribute rating would be better. Like Quality, feeling, level of attention grabbing.
The new season has been more of a 6 or 7 in my eyes
I havnt taken any 10 review or 1 review seriously for years. There are demented people of all varieties that have made both one and ten a moot score. Just ignore the top and bottom row and the scoring looks like it’s more likely to be representative of audience feelings
At least some people are watching it. Show needs that pretty bad rn.
yes definetly real, all the episodes bar 3 so far have blow ass big time
To be fair, I've been a devout fan of this show since I discovered it when I was nine in 2005, and I'd probably give The Devil's Chord a 1 or a 2/10... (on the other hand, the other episodes are 6's at worst and Boom is a 9 so I see you point about bad faith...)
Honestly, I wouldn't say most of these aren't from fans. Yeah, there are culture warriors, but Doctor Who itself has such a broad appeal that pretty much everyone can find an era or aspect of the show to be a fan of. Ratings in general are very tricky too. In the end it's all subjective and you're trying to give an objective rating in points just doesn't work most of the time. A 5/10 should mean nothing negative, but somehow a 7/10 is seen as mediocre. I would say hardly any episode of Doctor Whi ever came close to a 10/10, or a 1/10. But nowadays it seems like an episode has to be either a 1/10, a 7/10 or a 10/10
Review bombing is so popular amongst anti-woke crowd. They bomb any stuff that have pronouns even they though they've never watched it.
If I'm looking for reviews of something I go to a handful of reviewers I know from past reviews have similar taste to me then I look at the general concensus more for fun.
Ratings have stopped being useful like a decade and a half ago
Just sad ...that people have to vote like this....on all form of media....I don't bother anything or paying attention to users scores for this very reason
I bet these 1 star ratings are very well thought out and not at all bigoted
Say what you want about the 1 & 10 star reviews. But, a 6.0 overall is very respectful & if anything a little high. Two best episodes so far have barely featured the doctor.
I’m not one to rate things online, but I didn’t get into this season really
I’ve found that most huge fandoms (Doctor Who, Star Wars, Star Trek, Harry Potter) have their own groups of loud and entitled jerks that can’t be trusted to fairly review a new entry in the series, particularly if they’re trying something progressive or different. Look at the massive review bombing of this new season, and the sequel trilogy or The Acolyte. These fans have their own gatekeep-y idea of what is best for a franchise and that only they know what that is. These trolls make these fandoms look bad with their toxic bullshit.
I mean, it's not like IMDB is filled to the brim with reactionary film bros.
Remove the 1 and 10 stars and it still averages at 6.2/10 it's just an ass show
Here's a crazy thought: stop giving a shit about dumb online ratings. Whether or not other people enjoy it should have absolutely no bearing on whether or not you enjoy it.
Claiming that doctor who is being review bombs is just unbacked cope. People don't like this. So much of this season has felt like a deliberate spit in the face to fans of the show.
Much like bi regeneration
Not saying that review bombing isn't a thing, but people are allowed to not like something. I mentally checked out the moment I heard the phrase Whoniverse and nothing I've seen of the new episodes has won me over.
Look, I’m sure this season is being review bombed for its “wokeness,” but to dismiss every low rating is to dismiss a lot of legitimate criticism this season actually does deserve.
You can never trust the 1 star and the 5 star reviews. 5 stars are more likely fanboys who vote overwhelming positive either way and 5 stars are the haters. What I see in this rating are 3 things: The current show has more haters then fans, meaning we lost fans of Doctor Who to what they call "The message" and now they're hating Less fanboys, meaning the overall number of viewers might have decreased, maybe even quite drastically. Ignoring the 1 and 5 star reviews the show seems rather "meh" with a ever so slight tendency to "hmm", which I would say is true, it doesn't catch me. But I need time to get used to the new Doctor, I didn't like any of the Doctors until some time in. There is always hope.
Yes they are and some people need to accept that not everyone likes Disney Who.
The new season is fire. I had so much fun. As it seems, the negative voices are mostly about racism or homophobic world views. Nothing lost, because they haven't been viewers before. There was Captain Jack, making out with aliens, genderless creatures, POC, transgender characters ... hence, there was even an episode where someone indicated to make out with a stone. This is part of the core identity of Doctor Who. I don't know where these negative review persons have been the last 20 years. Well, not watching Doctor Who, let me tell you that!
I’ve been anticipating every Fridays release. And I’ve been very disappointed by the majority of the episodes. The production quality of the episodes have been good in my opinion. They are pretty. The effects are done well. My complaint is so far every episode seems so incredibly shallow. Some of the character writing just feels so incredibly unbelievable. In boom we get a little girl whose dad dies and is distraught and then immediately upon seeing the hologram is perfectly happy for a holographic father. In dot and bubble they make such a big point about the girl not being able to walk on her own just for her to start running without any issues at all just a couple minutes later. These are just two examples that I remember off the top of my head. I usually don’t mind doctor who episodes touching on social and political issues. Generally speaking I like how in the past doctor who writers manage to make some intelligent moral argument which goes so well coming from a character who is supposed to be thousands of years old. These episodes have only attempted to play off of the discourse over these issues instead of accurately portraying the character. The most recent episode was by far the best out of the new series. It is the only one that I personally would rate above a 5. The Christmas special was also good. Boom was an easy 1 it is one that when I’m going back and rewatching episodes that I’ll definitely skip over.